and colleagues from the r.t.m. news division who are sort of if i missed it correctly and trying to place your views hint in that framing of the story in that case it was the promise and dollars and then when they found out it wasn't a perfect they didn't call back and iranian accurately that's my understanding is that i was called by a producer and they want to just so that's kind of scary and then to russia and the line and you've run a couple of features commentary pieces on the same line saying that she's and. that sits there as the weston governments have recognized her as a legitimate leader latvians is going to fire a schooling have president elect whereas actually she has no legal standing and that she's like in venezuela and the problem was was that the producers that rang me sort of proof checks my answers before inviting me on and when i had made it clear that i don't think that the 2 cases are equivalent and made clear that i was

going to say no i do think she is just what they are although this program spackling our elected that they didn't go back and so i wasn't invited to comment and so i'd say that you know if your agenda is nearing an expert and their insights if their opinion and even that my opinion didn't seem to fit with the line then i was dumped and consequently you know there was a bias that. i read and you did me come across as censorship or even a critic that a flashing of propaganda but it also strikes me as a is a very routine and it very common way of pretty decent television news not only in russian but i think pretty much everywhere how common this dream interviewing of this sort at in the industry is in the industry and if you're asking do t.v. stations in the west do they have a line. they interested in people with a period and then that's absolutely true. and the obvious example of this is fox

news which absolutely has an agenda and it's biased but you know i'm an old school journalist in so much this supposed to be about objective it see and you reach out people who know what they're talking about and if they don't agree with you and you know the least you can do is debate and the prescreening of and says in my mind it's not it's not on i mean in so much is if you want to discuss a tricky issue like this and it is a valid question so i asked if she is and i'd say. you are someone like me and i'm going to say no you can put somebody else on who's going to say yes and then you put it's bait that they would have to make up their own much more well let's start in belarus where i look at this tendency of thinking whether it's a millionaire or kisses most of it at this point i find it ironic that both the russian and the west commentators sought to present it as sad as is my dumb moment with all the theories and host

a bad hashtag but you've been arguing that that being answered alrosa aren't nothing like we've seen before what can make them stand out for you. it's in many ways a unique revolution the tendency to think it's in my down because again as the people on the street mass demonstrations it looks very similar superficially is obvious and the western coverage international coverage i mean obviously the edits is going to reach for those kinds of parallels because the amount of information knowledge that you can assume in your readers is actually quite limited it's again when covering the sneer of it at night that well it's not on the news every day and so the view is in the u.k. or the us would recognise this oh it's another color revolution in europe the masses of people on the street and so there's a natural tendency to frame the story in terms that your readers recognise but when . we trying to be in is to the more human story and surveillance of it and again

the informed as watching this it's very difference or have that one of the big chains one the biggest difference is ukraine is a very divided country between the rest of us in the east and the nationalists in the west and in russia it seems to be a universal across the society as well i mean from the middle since actually is immense through to the people that were in the factories of university reject. shank and the peacefulness of the process the purchases the organizers to come off schuyler and several made it absolutely clear they want to have a peaceful process and also the lack of geopolitics if you remember john mccain the u.s. senate was on my done making speeches about freedom we are with the people which was to say that we reject the democrats elected president on a cove a show that everyone hates him and he was

a terrible president. and appeal to the crowds there where is the protest is in better russia have made it clear that this is not you this fight while i dream of you that probably have grass roots promise in our largely void of geopolitics i'm not sure they can. they really come across this way and they can stay this way because that clearly a lot of adjure is quite trying to use those products to advise their to political interests are better off because the problem is better usher is getting dragged in slowly to the chip let's stand off between russia and the west i mean ticking off fast just being in brussels you just met with my crohn's she's just about to meet with merkel and my problem is you know they they have agendas too that they have problems with russia but you know we should highlight methyl was come in saying i think just this morning and she was saying that we stand with this other parents with the people and at the same time we believe because knowledge. just present the

president but at the same time we do know want to get involved as you know block in this. first english language address to the e.u. said we want you know sort it out see it please respect the sovereignty of the russia in other words this is a fight between the people and there is and then this is a tricky question because when i have when you recognize be it tainted nature or even try to project land nature of the boat. you know when you question the legitimacy of the incumbent election commission guess it's one thing but when you all annoying to see certain status and legitimacy to his competitor without actually having an accurate tally of the vote is something else entirely and this is a disputed question i mean and you probably saw i had a long argument and so it's it was one of the it's exactly this point. say the beginning that we don't know what the actual result is however there is some

evidence in so much as there were 20 rebel owning stations set released what they claim is the real results and those shows that. won by an overwhelming majority. who did that would be a that would serve as a proof that the day they did vote or their actions were a free and fair but you can't take that as a measure or as a pro of you know another person and as it is my my problem with that is that at its core it's ultimately substituting internal election german legitimacy with. an outside recognition and it is at its core tell to me deciding for the people that's exactly what the question is doing here is deciding for the people isn't the e.u. with as much criticism of him as it provides isn't actually doing the same just siding for the belorussian people that the issue here is to what extent are we comforted that he lost he claims he won 8. percent of the official result was 81 has not

behaved as opposed to 180 percent of the see no gration the rebel polling stations we have numbers and those numbers in order those stations so a landslide they say and also there was this just a study on that based on the official results also says 70 percent and finally when the pro-government demonstrations have been organized no one sends up if he just met me and really. can't be the name of the recent tracking to the question of why the look of shock is legitimate i'm not i'm not having that argument i think there are lots of additives that these these elections weren't free and fair and that he's legitimacy as a leader is that very very questionable my question is if a friend again should meet a c.m. that he had lost at that is a legitimate representative of the belarusian people that she had this status unique or shape let's say aid package as she did on behalf of the belorussian

people and the reason i'm asking these is not because i'm trying to put you know a look of shock and the e.u. on the sax a moral footing because the means that it is it used to procedure and and in this particular example it is not it is made to be serving assumptions that the problem is just mysie as president you know they live in as i say it going up as an egg is that the sensor lesson committee it's all of that so there's no possibility of a recount and there's no possibility to check which means there has to be another election if we question that this is this is something that the e.u. may well cross for but it's not doing that it is saying that we recognize directly or indirectly by accepting that you had lost at that behinds level in brussels that she is the leader and that is your reading into it that the only people who actually recognized. what they said and they feel it's in his calf and about. this

they have not recognized the scent as the jets missy but only the latvians have said that she's actually present and then they don't hear is that i mean they can be and we can become very legalistic here and both look at shankar and the russian government has a long tradition of being legalistic that if you accept somebody of the highest level and enough guy has been accepted by it but it hasn't all european institutions he's negotiating a package for democrats want to get out of this thing that annoys her with the status even without you know putting it formal press release out i mean it's also about symbols is it not yeah but you know i mean negotiating is a loaded term i mean she's gone suppressors and she's talking to them by except to ask who exactly as who and that i mean as the a member of the coordination house which is a self appointed buddy in order to negotiate but you know in that sense we see she normally won the elections or at least the likes of falsified i'm not sure but then

they set up as a party to have a negotiation and then it's looking about a transitional government and a new election so this is being the position. and in that as the semi official head of the opposition movement is why she's being received in brussels but i wouldn't say she's negotiating in so much as there's no lethal force to any of these scuffs it's having to listen to these cow autocrats and be it imposing champions of democracy abroad altima to play into each other's hands because they provide for these and national and all geopolitics and grassroots democratic initiatives because look at how he can now go and say yes see they recognize her without even counting their ballots and you know that and they days out to get me you will be 1st on the ultimately reinforcing each of the narratives and. you know making so much difficult so much more difficult will all actors from grassroots movements you prat. for democratic change without being accused or without being branded as

a for an act here greed like i said in the beginning of this comment you know it's getting dragged into this chip political game and at the same time sick enough. said in her comments that she has been a bit more. in so much that she thinks more pressure needs to be put on and so she is acting more presidential by taking that like she's made that decision on their own and she's she's not like it's anything at this point. but she she remains the face and europe remains convinced that not only were the elections totally legitimate she probably won the gold down the line everybody is saying that no one's going to make a president. there has to be new elections and with those been ballots there has to be because you need a definitive number on how many votes you want and that's simply not available and

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a russian opposition politician alex and involve me we not only triggered all the mail year and narratives in both russia and the west but i think it actually may seriously undermine out war changed the post cold war relationship between russia and germany there is now a real prospect of. a hold in the construction of the north stream pipeline ad if that happens if that comes to pass i am absolutely sure that the russian or russian german relationship will qualitatively change now that you are a long time russia watcher when you are presented with the news like that it's so many complications and underground currents how do you how do you go about making sense. well be any we tend to focus on the business the economics and it's a nice frame of reference because you know it's like the follow the money thing if you say the issue of the north stream there's

a lot of let's say and people said repeatedly that the u.s. is looking you know now they're producing gas in excess and they want to export their energy clearly the commercial aspects of this story play in this story and the issue with no stream is. basically that it cuts ukraine out of the transit routes from russia and western europe feel like russia's been bullying ukraine but if you look at the economics i mean that talking about energy security however. in the seventy's eighty's russia was responsible for 70 or $0.80 europe's gas that's foreign in the meantime to about 3540 percent so europe is already diversified away from russian gas and that having this new i plan the most strained suit that russia will to live in exactly the same amount of gas as it's now so there's no increase in dependency on russia the problem is the n.a.c.

security issue because when they went through the pipeline to ukraine because of the terrible relationships between russia and ukraine and because of ukraine being effectively bankrupt it couldn't pay its gas and gas from turned off in 2006 and people are taking this as a political action whereas it was actually an economic one and for germany the reason why they're keen on this pipeline is actually increases their energy security because it goes directly from what it is it is a clean clear that they are so keen on these pipelines anymore because in market herself as there are quite ambivalent if there's evidence that there is such a hash sure going to be. allowed to poisoning or somebody like the bali and the set huge implications huge an economic terms. what does it tell you that was dramatic i mean medical suggested she didn't say explicitly sees just it. that

no strain to pipeline may not be complete because of not only was asked to the kremlin you know to be accountable of the self accounts it's what actually happened which is news and i see said i mean this whole affair open about his poisoning good mom. dramatic change in attitudes because matt the man who doesn't have a very good we're a working relationship i mean they both have to deal with the geopolitics but all such i mean as a major investor russia has literally 10 times more companies working in russia than any other european has more than all the others put together. and if that relationship changes it is. now we're going to do it here as an e.u. entity rather than german russian and say that's amazed change and that's a major blow to russia i think they not only wheezing stories a very particular kind of story because it falls into a very special category for me that characterized by 2 features why that is extreme

visibility everybody has heard about it and the 2nd one is very little no ability there are very very few established facts and the most critical data this case now all these test results i'm being held by germany the test results and the formula of the allowed to poison them being held by germany even though one would think that one of the most revealing things would be to compare the test results that not only had in russia and windows test results and when that were produced when he was just not entirely true one of them i didn't want to possibly hold germany back i checked into this that the issue here is now which is actually a military. nerve agent chemical when the response of authority is. the international and as i said chemical weapons and that what happens is it's not it's not only becomes a by last way shoot everything has to go through the p.c.

and that germany has submitted that information and lesser is a member of that organization and is entitle to access the data through the o.p.c. w. so as far as the protocol is consent germany and russia have nothing to do with this now but only c w a's are very controversial are going to say sure because immediately you know what getting both here is the. call squeeze anything and the old be a legend das stories of using chemical weapons in syria and that you know better than i do that then number of western scientists who work to be able to see w. and who are on brackets could die means on record complaining about the pressure put on them by western security agencies to provide good results favorable to that conclusion so you don't trust based on the overriding you don't fret trust the russian process how inclined he tries the p.c. w. protest and even be he's terrio that are going to say shit and then roll it has been playing these geopolitical games between russia and the west i grant you that

if you see somebody is going to spot it history and has had problems in the past and that undermines it's just missin is the 3rd. nevertheless everyone signed up to this chemical weapons treaty it's the one that's in force and is the one that has to be for that and it's a good situation and then you can ask questions as to you know whether they're playing again super scoopers. i'm haven't done enough of putting on its suit school that you know i'm aware of the reports that it's actually full and that in the past and that raises a question i have now which it isn't at you literalistic a position for germany to take in duty if you are so concerned about human rights about the yeah you know you be use of chemical weapons out on the character of europe about their russia's track record of dealing with opposition figures it's ok about germany i mean germany's nothing but bureaucratic i mean they're. very elastic and they're doing this by the book which is released it's the o.p.c. 72 and then the protocol say that has to be checked independently by 2 other people

which was france and sweden. they present know each other that's me i would agree i say why not share the dates directly with russia because it would be just a right not just something that's going to investigation i mean you can have russian and german investigators on both sides. yes and that would mean you must be kind of the red tape and increase the transparency of the time i see a 100 percent with you on that i think because we want to mitigate this like you said this i mean the consequences of this could be significant and of thanks very much to him in russian relations so you don't want that nobody wants that and by sticking to the parts of the book you know i see increased tensions and it is to my mind not really clear why they are sharing it but nevertheless the protocols are very clear in the o.p.c. to germany's doing exactly what it's supposed ok let's move to free syria have all be of the monk that i want to ask you about and it's the only thing they renewed

war between and i was there but john and i mean and i am absolutely and taken aback by by the coverage of what is going on because. i think this whole conflict shows the degree task nature off in 4 wars because i don't know if you've seen the other day but that leave went on television accusing. the prime minister i mean you know being a puppet the sorest pushing out that he was the leave all being a dictator as if any of that matters that he in the in the case of the territorial conflict that didn't show that. you know we're all so taken aback by this narrative of you know democracy forces that talk receive sattar at that even when they have nothing to general parties immediately employ dance here or you know get somebody on their side and name calling between as it goes on and i mean yeah i

mean it's been going on for decades the whole oh i'm going to kind of back issue has been rankling since the fall of the soviet union and the propaganda. presidents in both countries have been using it as a political tool to rally national feelings and ensuring elections and what have you and it's been festering we i was in i suppose on so insists the russian agency and they were complaining that be any we have the news of armenia next as about john and could we not move it to the magazine that was saying it's boarded. this is insane but it just highlights me you know how the embassy the scene that's so when this fighting begins it's natural that they start pulling each other name it's got very emotional very suddenly both calling each other when it means but using familiar themes to you or attract support today is sad and one of the one of the other things that struck me is how little coverage there is both in russia

and in europe about true keys role in all of that because undoubtedly both brussels and the girl in moscow extremely concerned about the role turkey is playing a essentially acting. as ever john on that not making any secret of that 2nd single came up pretty quickly. and it worries everybody because turkey here has the rhetoric has changed that so he's always been a supporter as a potion and. has and so he supports it in principle but not at a gun has come out he's basically saying they're going to put supports admits a wrist. and then that raises also support him so he's a member of nato of course. and i mean use member of the lex security organization with russia so there's a possible scenario where the techs and the russians so just tough fighting and like to get out of 5. so i mean these things have been floated none of that is actually very like this is what you think that's not likely but there are a bad day armenia officially

a case turkey at all 5 shutting down its plane over its own territory now nobody took it seriously and that everybody is sort of treating it as a fait without admitting to it that none of the sides has also released and that none of the radar data that they are in possession i mean. i don't really sure that that something like this like a serious peeping out from a guy gassed in russia's last military alliance is really on the cards biggest you need seems like all the all the parties are trying to pull the warring parties out trying to draw as much support in as they can i mean i think the end of this is definitely going to be to politico i mean on the thing with the collective security at night so that it's again it's a protect you from attack of turkish territory not military. soldiers are killed in the womb new or anywhere else outside ticky and it's a fight to doesn't get traded so you know that's why those consensus less likely

but as you say everybody is reaching for that you have political pumice as a president sec'y and i mean it's a russia and i think the resolution of this is this going to be a gnostic would it's going to go on for maybe months as john in an already rejects it's old but must because of its media because the fighting is too early on that people are now battling to see what territory they can get and i think when the fighting settles down and the lines are drawn and people realize that they're not going to move forward or backwards then they're going to send to the other players but he has serious interests in the region so does russia is actually. friends with both john and i mean. they want to see a resolution to this but then there's a lot of. political capital to be in the negotiation that flows between russia and even the other well i bet it's been a fascinating talking to you we have running out of time so i have to put an end to it now but thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. and thank you walt what

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a week of hostilities between armenia and azerbaijan brings it devastation to not go with relentless shelling the local capital r.t. reports from the area. 2 massive explosions in the very center of the city 250 millimeter. it is a massive rocket. fighting still beyond the disputed region as a border city in azerbaijan is hit by artillery fire also in the story that shaped the week. i'm not here to call out a slice everybody knows he's a liar and there's nothing smart about you joe what do you she was an excuse well who saw your number. the 1st presidential debate.