of joseph stalin who was the bolsheviks point man on nationality as he was the nationality. in among the bolsheviks and he decided that the region of no color car obama should be a part of there by john b. you know within the within the territory by john. and it's ethnic make the exactly it's ethnically armenian the armenians were going i'm happy about this is the need is there that this would be a part of i mean yes but he decided to be a part of us there by john in large block because the bolsheviks was seeking to appeal to the muslims of asia and also the muslims of the of what became the u.s.s.r. and in particular to turkey. at that's right and the nascent bolshevik regime was making great efforts to. keep turkey happy. so that back when it was set up now of course it didn't really matter so much within the u.s.s.r.

because everybody just did as they were told by the leadership in moscow but when it when the soviet union broke up in their completely chaotic appalling way then of course these national issues flared up because it was one thing to be for the armenians on the border guard about being part of us led by john which was within the soviet union and it's quite another thing to be part of us that by john which is now an independent state. i mean really going on since since the breakup of the soviet union one of the things that makes it different than what we saw from the original complex out of the end of the soviet union was in the late eighty's early ninety's i want to be unimpressed to see you and this case both countries are relatively well armed now. even though us are by.

significantly more well because of oil and russia is supplies the arms to both countries more or less here but the difference in this case this time around is it's becoming much more internationalized turkey is playing a major role here and a lot of people are very critical of turkey's role here israel is involved others want to pull in iran this is the internationalization of it if it were to internationalize it would be a repeat was seen a number of times this is what makes it different this time. you are absolutely right i think. a lot of qantas just behaving irresponsibly intuition to this conflict. i would just suggest you compare the statements of president and the statements of the grab him and the gun just opened this says i quote who support everything in azerbaijan thinks it makes sense to do it for its security i mean

what kind of gasoline to do it is that so there is certainly irresponsible on the side of turkey. why did it become possible turkey has not behaved so responsibly in during the last conflict and in 1940 basically with the big 3 or one media well i think the reason is basically what happened in the last i would say 1015 years just let me remind you when turkey syria in 2000 you haven't 1012 open everyone reported the western press reports of the turkey supported you know the terrorist groups that entered syria from the north it was not a secret nato was on the side of turkey let me remind you of that when c.v.s. down turkish fighter plane over. they're in the beginning of the war

quite legally because the turkish fighter plane was on the sea in the syrian air space nato even had a crisis meeting they were deciding what to do in order to support to make it. iran you could just a few years later in 2000 i guess 19. when turkey moved against them eric and elyse in the north of syria against the kurds that i did you open a door was completely different they started talking about ever gone trespassing the border up sovereign state of syria which they didn't care about just a few years ago right so it was a complete change you make it you. unfortunately after got on kind of you know that you owe it so if you do it's being said that the west does not object to you or you are free to act as you want as you want basically in this situation he decided that

it was just the bow tie him to to give support to azerbaijan and that will not reached there as everybody jumped back to it then one of the things that we discussed all 3 of us this goes previously is that why disturb he do it is because they can do it here and that's that that's a very dangerous form almost the ok because you're not thinking about the consequences of it georgia are there are media reports that. through turkish channels that you have fighters from syria and libya and the in the caliber of that these are militants this one description or another they're being transported into this conflict into the box that is a very dangerous step here and considering what david just said about the reaction to turkey we have the french president speaking very very clearly that this is a very dangerous development according to reports george yes the reports certainly credible and i don't know what extent they've been confirmed by. they are those of

widely. accessible reports and it's certainly consistent with everything else that no one has done i mean a great remember initially there were these jihadi terrorists who were transferred from libya to syria you need to talk them out of the overthrow of gaddafi it and then recently france. these from syria to libya so that we would be publicly plausible. to one now be transpiring jihadi fighters from syria as they are by john it's as you say why is there no one doing this yet because he can he figures that if he creates enough trouble than he is heavy defeats on the armenians then you know russia and the rest of the mince group will have to accept realities on the ground. you know the armenians will have to give up some territory within hours or by johnson to the charity of my going to

be reduced and then everyone will hail this is a great big tree yet another plant was foreign policy but also that we signaled a defeat for russian or i'm at home with me not going to go there they want you to gambling on is you know i mean people have talked about here to all of this neo ottoman is a 1000000 things like that i mean there's a literature on it and maybe since the pipe dream too but one thing is undeniable in all of this is this is a major irritant for russia because russia trades with these going trees i mean even to the point with a kind of military hardware with planes for example both governments need permission from russia to actually use them in military at seeing here i mean this is a real annoyance for the kremlin here and maybe that's the whole point go ahead. oh well i would say the board side of course powerful arguments they favor and i'm sure why john has some arguments too because well the latest did. you know let's be

clear in the condo going about a bishop legally under international law is part of either by juggling absolutely and when the war ended in 1904 as i said it was armenians victory and most of their refuse genie is from the government car park where ethnic as they are by journalists not only is and i want to cover up our armenian control but also several jason. districts over over by jump rope are an armenian control so i think what we should all pray for is that baku just wants to get back to all these areas 1 which are not populated always by anyone right now that would be i think the best outcome because it would be in the form of your security in return for territories in action but unfortunately there is a high risk it's not going to happen because both sides are raising the stakes in all the way to st paul's other armenian missiles some armenian have targeted ganja

which is the 2nd largest city in azerbaijan that just kind of raises the stakes dramatically in this situation so both sides have arguments in their favor and the russian educate is very simple just stop fighting trying to resolve with by peaceful means because if there are if you're just of course a lot of them will go to russia. and then the more i think regional entity to this conflict because if we go back to history you know both sides will find those arguments in their favor. but you aren't absolutely right that it's an irritant for a stray think it's not just an irritant it's a very bad situation of all the international community and the west is also in a precarious situation here because initially in the late eighty's the russian. you

keep yourself and the west basically support up and out of sight but when i was hired by john to join guo you know the russian coalition of all soviet states that in the west suddenly changed and there was more and more sympathy you for as you are by job so we should be i think that there is only one solution is just to stop fighting and restart the formula fed interest in return for security because you know what the ice cap destructor weapons it's very interesting is that in the in the late eighty's and early ninety's. iran could have played a very important mediating role but that they were shut out by the west again and again a regional player a very important and powerful one was shut out of the process that could've been how to peace process internationalize instead of having someone like the one trying to flare up the conflict will quit will end on this point george i think we'll know

it's all over when everyone is summoned to sochi. it could well be. but i think at some point russia would have to intervene in a more decisive fashion and russia not want to be marginalized in this process so if one is able to hail this as a great victory. you know russia is the great power in the region russia mediated the the end of the previous conflict it chemical war to weaken in effect that on that note there are going to go to a short break and after a short break we'll continue our discussion of some real new state with our team. when else so it's seems wrong. but don't hold just don't hold. any world yet to see how this day comes after. and in detroit because betrayed.

when something you find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground . it's wrong with us as an american citizen and i hate to be blasted off that's. why we have asked to die and i don't think. i would vote for a republican i would vote for anyone who is not and has half a brain knew defeat. is defeated yet. my 2nd wife. she can handle. she and i divorce because our trouble is elected president and i voted for her and she finished and. we are

in the most important election. in our history list of the months to go before the next presidential election how is the atmosphere in the us now. what are the highest priority programs only brave and true they do next. just some of the questions we flew to the american. nuclear become a battleground in the us in vermont people are demanding the shutdown of a local plant from yankee is right now my focus because it's a very dangerous prayer power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limits this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on where's the power in this country where's it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of

a traditional participatory democracy as are powerline with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in the very real ways that our struggle. welcome back to cross up where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let's go to deal or let's switch gears a little bit here i came across an absolutely fascinating article in the american conservative by a writer helen andrews and her article is 2020 is tumbling towards 917 some title we think we're safe from revolution we're wrong it's already in the works what do you think about the comparison of what's happening in the us

politically in this very formal she was year and reflection about what happened historically in 1970 and in the russian empire that would soon come to an end. well it's rare that you read sides being seen in the american media because it's and then for their american ultra liberal to compare more than the united states to the soviet union you know the the poor comparisons to will spout in years more but in fact for me you know judo my historical knowledge of russia into their summations that they make their american public a wife right now the perilous up all of us you know that not just because they're striking you know i think that the reason for that paradox is that out there we have basically to look at than it did in his most here which have a lot of things in common you know trumpet is on the board to do so and this stood

to put it in his mind you know the 3rd off the nazis and corman which is now basically ruled in do states you know instead of he and elected president this is their idea what would your ultra liberalism there's rule in the. state and trunk anoxic united so he just traces it back to you know solve it by all should be examined and the marks as. well there are parallels but these are different and you're just paradox in radio because you know the technology is seen you find a certain group of individuals a social group you declare them to have been oppressed historically i know you claim to have the right to represent these formally oppressed minority and to act on their behalf indicator prerace trying to understand that i'm going to read between the lines there so there's also makes them look like life's a matter of going to historical and the whole is absolute and it's not just had

a nebulous that drew attention to this but also peter suffered in europe in the tablet which is an american magazine on religious affairs here august fascinating article called. walk america is a russian novel published it in july and let me just quote it you know he talks about you have given your bizarre effect character or turn again of snow will return in the mid 19th century but not a few bolshevik so to speak a nihilist you know this is when the war nile is became popular in russia and later on of the whole world so let me just called peter sullivan one wonders even buzz out of is there different from today's protest and state you populace the twinkie some thinks sowing discord in our news rooms to cancel culture it's the liberal hawk the social part who police our social media feeds well this is

exactly true because you know the problem with bolshevism is that it's less of an ideology it's less the communism it's. effective. nor would you have come into power because i just shot your shutdown all of your points where everyone who disagrees an enemy your dick where everyone who disagrees reactionary and story just see it walked in the wall street journal for example where you have that opinion peach fighting in the news room you know that being in beijing also they would be gross they're like the constitutional democrats who toppled the czar in february $1000.00 so when to create can you rebuttal russia and me if you will and then you throw out the bolsheviks you know what was actually us there already sidelining all the american people in the ways in the same way bolshevik sidelined constitutional democrats in russia and you know the reason why this can happen on

george the reason why this is going up because there's a crisis of legitimacy ok that's this that is the ultimate parallel it's the bolsheviks in 1917 or france in 8789 i mean it's always about the lack of legitimacy and you have people within the power structures that are fueling on this illegitimacy ok they are actually destroying the system then sell it's a this is not a bottom up thing that's a top down thing again jurors know this right so mentioned 2 again you have spotters and sons i would cite in other great russian novel which is perhaps even more apt which is does the us is the process because it was condense that the nihilist or you know some of them and some of them were. extreme socialists were really are the product of the liberals of the earlier generation the liberals of the earlier generation that encourage this nihilism this destructiveness and they

have lost the radical movement but what was really spawning about that novel is the complete collapse of the order of the all of the just collapse like a. house of cards and so you know just as you wrote this almost 40 years before 917 and before that postal exactly what happened the entire russian governmental structure what it had been there for hundreds of years collapsed like a house of cards and that's really what's and that's what there was a kind of a rock from within and that's what you see in the united states because you see this wish trumps real problem is within the intelligence military security establishment they are openly defying the elected president they're openly speaking of him does it with disdain as if he had no legitimacy they they criticise he is his moves when he went to that church and play at square you had the military chiefs criticizing and trump really didn't have the strength you know have doesn't

have the political strength to fire all these people and which and therefore short you know this election turn out to be the chaos and that it looks like it's going to be then you know we should expect some sort of an insurrection within the government and trump made might be able to do very much about it you know in the in the know the people on the political left in the united states are indeed are are just. absurdly historical in their thinking they think it can't happen to us we can control this we know how to manage it know that that they're missing history here they're good they're not they're not students of history once you start stuff like this it's almost impossible to control it and they end up being the victims of it eventually ok this is not this they're playing with fire here just because they hate the man in the oval office here the implications of which are are are enormous

you can't control this kind of thing go ahead. you are absolutely right and the problem is that you know what you should be exposed to want and russia and them the you with bolshevism you know their foreign policy you do night. it's vice versa you know they're out to liberals 1st you must. demonize the chin of political leaders outside their mates it's the used it in serbia they used it against ukraine they used it against russia and now they're using it against their own president so that acknowledgement of coming to power on the new bolsheviks of liberals as they hold them is very simple the persona you fight evil you know they don't talk about historical process they don't talk about according to history just there is an evil man you know running this country and life will be beautiful you know ok they remove gadhafi and what do we have that will have a civil war it's a much more complicated society than just you know one evil man controlling

everything and i agree completely with george you know in the process by just ask you please know that. i'm a negative character that evolutionary. he's father is an all stay liberal you know and he's portrayed satirically in the beginning of the normal so basically he does that yes he predicted that the future bolsheviks will come from westernized liberals they will stem from them you know he also george you know if you look what you know we all know the techniques that the bolsheviks used to come to power and they understood how collar work i give them not the rest of the ideology i know but they understood that but if you are if you're a student of history and you're a student of the bolsheviks it makes me think of steven cohen who just recently passed we wrote the seminal book i think on the bolsheviks and that was one who caught it and what happened to him it was a victim of a huge purge committed in 1937 and the same kind of courage will come to these

people ok because they let this this very toxic i call that ideological possession there possessed people. this is this is beyond reason you know it will come for them eventually history proves it over and over again go ahead george her raptly yes i think that's exactly right and that's what happens when you start playing this very dangerous game people who should know better. think that oh well you know this will get us the power once we are in power then we can just call this a cold war these mad dogs and we'll be nice and safe no it doesn't really work that way. as the old bolsheviks found yeah i think got rid of all of the enemies the cool actually. are is bureaucracy it's either you know the entire sotiris establishment they would be safe no it came up to them and it was the old

bolsheviks who were swept aside so yeah that's exactly what will happen here and what is it already this very very narrow goal of seizing power they you know they seize power that is they believe that it is their legitimate they right or this power over throat and there will be there and it never works that way you know being the one of the interesting thing for me i mean when we talk a lot about i do you hold your nose yes and you're the best you know it particularly in the in the west in general but particularly in the united states there's a huge economic turndown this is adding on to this because you have these elements that use this ideology for political reasons but the inadvertently or are slaney the economic and financial discontent to people so you're going to get this this mixture of this and this is going to be a very interesting a brew hear it because people are going to countries poorer i mean nobody wants to

admit it in media your country is poor and now we're not like a lot like matter we have this intentional need the legitimizing. tradition. law rule of law and that's why i wanted to talk about this article last 15 seconds go to you yeah well i'm going to commute and not about. you know we will be dismissed by liberal media for comparing this name to states now to russia 1970 in just one more for you guys to get angry chest with you know all. the liberals the poor leadership historian and writer your old why bolsheviks also in poland can wait for just the feel the void you know what b.l.m. and other side doing and doing as they say they're creating the void the a destroyer legion thing. there's a whole lot more to talk about on another episode of cross i want to make my guess it must go in but it doesn't want to take our viewers for watching us here on c.n.n.

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