millions and hundreds of me. here is not. a great wall and nobody builds a lot better than me and i'll build a very inexpensive like a great great wall. and just in case you're worried about who's going to pay for it mexico will pay for. it we'll see what happened so. who knows what will seattle still will be successful. now after a time here we're going underground 48 hours before u.s.

vice president mike pence debates with democrat contender and former california death penalty defendant. in utah coming up on the show will pence harris attract as much disbelief as trump and biden the naris taking sound as supporters for granted now obama's vice president is on the record for refusing to support the new green deal and characterizing racist american policing as a few bad apples that needs to black lives matters rage from the streets of the usa and from politics to pandemics we explore how materialism and capitalism abort our species close to extinction and how we can change it collectively with one of the greatest surrealist film makers of all time. all of them all coming up in today's going underground to 1st away from the mainstream media when is and loses speculation around the vice presidential debate in 48 hours time is the real loser progressive politics in the usa especially now biden said he didn't support a new green deal and claims a country. infamous for imprisoning more per capita than stalin or mao has

a policing system with a few bad apples not institutional racism today the trumpet ministration terminates the us 2020 census and one comedian and activist who has fought for sentence reform and bernie sanders is a palestinian american comedian. thanks so much i have a coming on so even though we're looking forward to the v.p. debate i'm going to ask you what did you think of the great show of democracy in ohio last week where are your top politicians and in your country debated the issues of the day yeah i mean it wasn't very promising or exciting if you're an american who's interested in democracy i mean look it was chaotic and probably a lot of that helps donald trump i mean the chaos is something that he looks forward to because talking about actual policies doesn't help him and biden didn't do a great job i think either i think the biggest sort of losers in this debate were progressives

when biden says as a centrist who still is subject to a lot of criticism from the left when he says that donald trump sort of reassuring many americans that he said i am the democratic party that's not something that progressives like to hear the republican party has outperformed its popular support over the years because it's always appealed to its base and look for ways to expand right words and the democratic party hasn't looked at the how to expand the left word instead it always focuses on the center and that's always very muddy and loses a lot of the council support from the left a lot of the commentators the pro-democrat commentators said biden did well by not losing arguably but on the progressive issues that you mentioned given the harris has expressed support previously for the green new deal and the world has seen the pictures of the wildfires in the united states the climate crisis being arguably the existential threat to. the earth how is she going to triangulate the position

of not supporting the green new deal on wednesday well unfortunately the whole biden harris campaign and biden from the beginning and now paris since she's jumped on i mean let's not forget she supported the green new deal that she did and she supported medicare for all and then she didn't you know this whole campaign from the democrats has been predicated on appealing to this sort of middle of the road and i think sort of imaginary independent voter which you know has sort of reliably voted republican over the last few cycles why did obama win decisively twice because despite his shortcomings in actual policy he campaigned to the left he campaigned to progressivism and hope and change in these kinds of things by is not doing that at all biden is openly saying and harris now that she is joining him or openly saying look we're campaigning to the center these ideas that bernie sanders had i'm sure we're sort of giving them a little bit of lip service but we're not really going to do any of those things

harris pence campaign will have less fireworks because it doesn't include donald trump but it's going to be substantially very similar this debate coming up with harris and pence might be even more disappointing to progresses because it will be a lot clearer what's happening we don't have the tapes yet from the d.n.c. for wiki leaks like we did in 2016 when it was exposed that they were sabotaging bernie sanders who you are sorry get off but surely there is electoral sense here the fact is biden has can take your vote for granted then all of the support is vote for granted anyway yeah i mean that is the way they seem to be campaigning and i don't know why they didn't learn the lessons of 2016 or simply look at what the republicans of done over the years to over perform the way that you want to campaign is that you expand your base and expand the people that you appeal to what bernie sanders did successfully and is he brought in peace. bill who had not been

involved in the electoral process before that's why he would be killing trump right now because he'd have traditional democratic voters and an expanded base of brand new voters what biden did very quickly is he constricted that progressive base told him look you're not really welcome here i'm not going to be with medicare for all i'm not going to be with a green new deal i'm not going to say that people shouldn't die simply because they can't afford their health care i'm going to stick to private health care i'm going to be very hawkish with israel i'm not going to talk clearly about palestinian rights all these things right he's going to appeal to the middle of that is a recipe for a loss and what they're saying to us is you have to vote for us no we don't you know no we don't i mean look i'm probably going to walk into a voting booth in michigan in november and i'm probably going to vote for joe biden but i still have 2 more debates to watch and i still have to worry about my community and my community the arab american community which is very large here especially in michigan is not just going to blindly go along with biden cause it's

not trump ok trump is terrible we don't really look at trump we don't look at the g.o.p. because they don't look at us but if the democrats are going to look at us as arab americans and as progressive as a voting bloc then they need to treat us with the respect that we deserve ok we didn't hear too much about foreign policy at that debate perhaps the next presidential debate we will what do you make of this man and to the blinken who was a top aide to biden when he voted for the iraq war i understand he's a top foreign policy adviser during this election campaign probably a seat at the table in the oval office should biden when he said the 2002 vote for the legal iraq war was a vote for tough diplomacy well he's still the top foreign policy advisor for the biden campaign he's if biden wins will probably be a national security advisor or something like that and yes he is hawkish there is a. a sort of cabal of neo liberal hawkish foreign policy people that are at the

center of the biden foreign policy thinking and this is very dangerous especially for the arab world in the muslim world i mean say what you want to bow trump he has a lot of terrible things about him especially domestically but he's sort of like an isolationist when it comes to military action he has engaged in a lot of military action at least as far as american standards go in the last 4 years and especially in the arab world and so it's a very fearful actually for a biden foreign policy and you have tony blinken who told arab american and palestinian communities this year that palestinians are to blame for our problems he told us that he repeated these lines of never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity he told us that one of the conditions of the biden campaign or the by the administration on palestinians will be have to have to outwardly accept that israel is a jewish state these are nonstarters for palestinians not one word about occupation

remember this is a campaign a foreign policy led by blinken and biden that refused to include the word occupation in the democratic party platform so where are we going to be left ok we're going to be left with that in ministration that doesn't completely shut us out like the trumpet ministration but in some ways is that worse when they let you in the door and say that they did and still don't do anything you want some people our community believe that it's better to stick remain oppositional on the outside that we can get more solidarity from other communities by being on the outside or remaining oppositional than playing a game with it in ministration that has 50 years of experience of protecting israel from any criticism in the world we need to criticize the biden platform now if he wins let him know that we were not taken for granted and that we need to be included clearly in the new administration and our objections need to be preserved if anyone wants to want to. your amazing video about arab americans they day should

definitely if you want to just tell me about that specially on the census day but i think what i'm getting at here is we don't really know how many arab americans there are and if they don't vote for biden we know how small the swings were the broad trying to power could actually ironically arab americans be critical to electing bible in the 1st place yeah i mean we could you know we're hundreds of thousands strong here in michigan and michigan could be the state that it all comes down to and it's not only michigan we have strong communities in florida which is a swing state and pennsylvania as well and so the question is look you want to get into a booth secretly and vote for biden that's fine but celebrating him and organizing for him is a major major endorsement without getting anything in return yeah i might vote for biden but i'm not going to endorse him or organize form in fact quite the opposite i'm going to keep questioning him and criticizing him up until and after election day so he knows that we're not something to be taken for granted if he wins as arab

americans we can swing this election maybe we did in 2016 when trump only won michigan by 10000 votes and i live in a neighborhood here and there are dearborn michigan that has more than 10000 arabs just in this neighborhood so i mean they have to be very careful they cannot take us for granted and sometimes i'm worried about our own community because biden muttered in scholl law at the debate with trump and all of a sudden a lot of people went crazy oh my god he said a word in arabic but what does that matter when he is telling palestinians that they don't deserve the same human rights as israelis when he is still saying that he wants to have strong relations with the saudi government when he is still you know praising these normalization deals with the u.a.e. and behind we have to be very careful not to accept crumbs you know aht i like homeless or saying and shahla is i think that's enough for you guys throwing right i mean of course the you alluded to it the. the obama biden administration was

brutal on the arab world i mean you look at libya today we have a refugee crisis in the mediterranean do you think in any way that biden would change his stance on being a zionist on the move of the u.s. embassy in jerusalem of reducing weapons sales to israel that are hitting gaza he's actually said on the record all sales of weapons to israel must never be conditional we have absolutely no evidence that biden is going to be open to palestinian concerns and we have to be very careful as palestinians and those who might show solidarity with palestinians not to let trump be the one who set the bar look trump is terrible trump is transactional he's pro zionist because he either doesn't know any better or he thinks he's going to get evangelical votes in the south but biden is an actual zionist like he actually believes in these things from a geo political strategy point of view and that's very dangerous and so far he's told us that he might return things to they way they were under the obama

administration you know restoring funding to on rwa open up a p.l.o. mission in d.c. but very very importantly without jerusalem he said very clearly he won't move the embassy back to tell of eve he won't even consider it he said very clearly before that if they're warning israel we'd have to invent one he said very clearly before i'm a zionist these are things that palestinians in america and arabs in america and those who profess solidarity with the palestinian question here in america need to take very seriously and question very seriously and if you stay quiet during a campaign no matter how you end up voting but if you stay quiet during a campaign well that's approval of what he's doing and saying and it's not going to win you a meaningful seat at the table when things are done it's ok let me say the arabs around the world and arabs in america it's ok to say no to a politician every now and that it's ok to be oppositional you don't have to jump and scream when he says i'm shallow on t.v.

you don't have to jump and scream when he says he's better than trump his policies are very very dangerous for us they've been very dangerous for us and we have to be very clear and critical about that thank you. thank you after the break from around environmental destruction to the staggering death toll of the u.s. war on drugs can collective acts help to heal collective trauma we are asking legendary holy mountain and top of filmmaker john or off speak about his new film psycho magic and even though it's all the more coming up about doing going underground. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then.

welcome back i'm paul one we discuss the upcoming presidential election in the u.s. next month throughout the course of the campaign period many of question devised all of the candidates can do anything to change a world that appears to be rapidly heading towards destruction in the face a rising coronavirus death toll a new cold war imminent environmental catastrophe and a political plus that appears to be in no rush to change the status quo so if it's down to the people how can collective acts of healing and resistance save humanity an issue explored in psycho magic the healing arts a new film by legendary surrealist filmmaker. going on the ground deputy editor charlie cook spoke to him via skype from paris to discuss the film as well as a new 4 k. box set of his classic works out now. a sign that is you know him in that it lets people makes you.

think you so much for joining us and going underground just start by telling me about your new film psycho magic. sequel. 'd looked at the. because they do commentary and speak oh the best scene we know we may commentaries but cycle maybe there was an expedient of really in the present we have a pedestal her approach a limb it's a color you call problem. need to healing in front of the committee with a very difficult recourse when joining in front of it come into you're not really your usual rate you are acting but they're there and then we need to show them in a very delicate way in order to lay here for it if you're making them to be real

and it's because they are himself laiki in the lake in it him i want to heal myself this might have to. do this you did you in the moment they're. going. to determine their destiny and. to pray for you. you've been practicing it since the seventy's and you can parish in the beginning of the film to the work of freud just explain how that the difference between psychoanalysis and psycho magic then where healing the soul of the the golden c.m.s. they 'd say clearly for fate well again say that i must. do who come over for a funny shaped hole they can only see what the length of the yes she and defeat. scene were fairly. seiko my you are so right that i am not

a taste it's a lot of the cycle analysis i do with words seiko my healing with we act psychoanalysis she's a lot of 6 l. proly of the sacred release that because they cannot touch it bessel. if you can not that 'd it causes that he says he seemed pussy will and then the. seiko magic say no the bully 'd is not the only a 6 a logik. we can't they the evil the. make you must. they hated the feeling you had your own sheilas. let. you mentioned the touching aspect of it in the film a lot of the

a lot of the therapy is done through tops and 3 people touch each other do you think you are kind of in a way vindicated by coronavirus because now people realize how important touching is the quarter nobody knows if they complicate. aspect it's an illness but also he said political settlement unlikely finnell me if it don't do many things to speak that we we. we cal or because we can only leave the decoder now reduced he sick a sicko many of the laboratories threw in a lot of money already saved me the as a politician the major most close but this would be cause for the president if it be a and then they have to do the one to change it because they they they if it today that that that shane shane if he really say show shane the planet we came

what he would want to cause. if i would like to save the country's economy we must eliminate for india and citizens in the next 5 years. the begin the operations of the gas chamber as gas cools gas university he's gas libraries gas museums gas dance halls and houses etc i mean this is terrible but what if anything this is a complaint of the planet it's a complaint to the any mail the the the the plant because we're not getting 000 reality we have to is that an e-mail a 1000000000 meaning it will do is we need one to the others

and we need to became more. and then they say we have the illness and then wish to have to change to say so sir some but i've eats. the bill we will do it did that i want to address something you discussed in the film about social psycho magic on a on a on a knowledge of scale in the film you. mexicans expressing pain at the 70000 people who died in the drug war how out essential like a magic walk on a scale of that size and i started to the that the psycho magique. person to person for some g.s. low and then. we realized it is in with the thoughts and we are not the one who had a collective 80 and we need the and then i started to think i will kill a family if that the hill families. rip. them together

and then they contain it if there are too many so they can make the main groups work in the pairs on 50 pairs on. well under it there's and then i have started to think well we need to make conic t.v. cycle might be. a way and they put it over the amazon it was it was being quoted i'm better. than easy the old see enough of the planet i'm a zone you know top as a law says get it i make you my centric only do you have my internet a 1000000 of papers on the active they say we cannot this thought the world we kind

of started to shame the world but to seem pushy we're still a lot weaker not the thought does whether we can add but we had plenty to eat anywhere or do we use funny you plenty if you nearly milk the planet we plenty of studies we'll have more at all see and hear their muzzle ness and the pronoun we were used to will result in. it came a little but still they planned this and this was so they could make it you know like these we have an electronic computer program to try to take some of the continent. a continent is occupied. we feed the computer data on calming voice and revolutions. it tells us what kind of toys to produce to condition children from the. i did write off about the

holy mountain because you said i read into the side that when you're making that phone you're acting like a prophet and i just wanted to know where how you how it was sorry prescient and how that film got so many things right about the wild we now live in today make it straight talk is thoughtful with human thrown him over it we'll see bundy cool the game is saying she still thinks he's making this year the sequel but i'm compelled i was called on my stuff and there must have you know how to speak out. and then. in the holy moment he says oh they call it delete they they say to make it big show look not this is the link many studies you know it became no seem but i they only seen they will said my since we had earlier episodes she said is she the truth sales sheet of the. book.

what we will do it we will we want to know the secret of the human being we have a brain who is a mystery we live in a planet we don't know what is in the day or 2 that were planted we had it we are the other thing the new universe we all know one percent of the universe we are in your i mean the in the early in the month in 10 months where all the outcomes we will know how east the anything needs we since i know if. i were to satisfy. their limits of chemistry i mean but finite. sorted in techniques of i like them in. recent more weeks will be combined into next. we're speaking of a lot what is well. worth big you know truth what is truth we are living in countries but this country is in evolution because there are no countries from

tears that move leaves their chain you know all the time where we are living where we are fighting why they're the political out i'd like them lift what is right what is the lift there the same quality to the broader me for the human being . it is illegal and of business no 'd like the political level a lesser like or the. 'd border thirty's who are making vaccines it's only business we're we're electing this kind of prissy that you know the planet due to they then know that the stick and pencil they had then they had my danielle might they have might they be on monday monday monday that's human being kind of stalled. yes get their president to leave you got it if you also favor i don't know and i'm really is very difficult to they do realize in

a way like they were he's coming but in this everything moment we kind of started to stop that that we kind of started we can't deny and we can say without a feeling we're not feeling good. these really say show me who i am but the f.c.c. is the destroying no will what is that. like and i. don't think. i will already have numbers you know to do to one where life numbers i would do what is the scene ima why the scene i might like the way the cinema is the only means a state id is not the need to study the cinema to give it only with the all that.

is necessary then we need that will we need to level it out that he's but we don't need to know what it did he's. equated to easy who had a chilling the the soul and the people he was the place on he's not boss evil police he's not both evil these are what they seem yeah you did to seeing that be who i felt one of the though the 91 i am i not replacing i don't. they we see the sick they see one month they can they see out of the east but these 3 see as this out of this understood in this lonely life i am not that lone i am not the only an if i me i am not the only in it down 30 i haven't even looked in the planets because we come rico if we can because i'm so full so nice they're coming out so close in

a week and the sun. thank you so much for your time. thank you to you film director her off see this weekend to going underground deputy editor charlie cook and psycho magic healing on his streaming now that's in the show will be back when zinj a lens of scribed going underground on you tube so you don't miss an interview and join the underground by following up on twitter facebook instagram. seemed wrong. wrong just don't call. me. yet to say proud to stay active. and engaged because the trail.

went something find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. headlines the 5th of october edging towards a right war the conflict between armenia and azerbaijan over to go on account of enters its 2nd week a correspondent reports from the ground. scenes like this one called one hit in the morning in fact this tiny village alone was battered by 6 massive most web one of them blended and this is all the devastation that it has left. clashes break out between anti government demonstrators and police in tel aviv over the weekend with dozens arrested for violating controversial new curbs on large demonstrations and they did come.