mike pence debates with democrat contender and former california death penalty defender come all aras in utah coming up on the show will pence harris attract as much disbelief as trump biden biden an heiress taking samba supporters for granted now obama's vice president is on the record for refusing to support the new green deal and characterizing racist american policing as a few bad apples that needs to black lives matters rage from the streets of the usa and from politics to pandemics we explore how materialism and capitalism abort our species close to extinction and how we can change it collectively with one of the greatest surrealist film makers of all time. all of them all coming up in today's going underground to 1st away from the mainstream media when is and loses speculation around the vice presidential debate in 48 hours time is the real loser progressive politics in the usa especially now biden said he didn't support a new green deal and claims a country infamous for imprisoning more per capita than stalin or mao has

a policing system with a few bad apples not institutional racism today the trumpet ministration terminates the us 2020 census and one comedian activist who has fought for sentence reform and bernie sanders is palestinian american comedian. thanks so much for coming on so even though we're looking forward to the v.p. debate i'm going to ask you what did you think of the great show of democracy in ohio last week where are your top politicians and in your country debated the issues of the day yeah i mean it wasn't very promising or exciting if you're an american who's interested in democracy i mean look it was chaotic and probably a lot of that helps donald trump i mean that chaos is something that he looks forward to because talking about actual policies doesn't help him and biden didn't do a great job i think either i think the biggest sort of losers in this debate were progress . when biden says as a centrist who still is subject to

a lot of criticism from the left when he says that donald trump sort of reassuring many americans that he said i am the democratic party that's not something that progressive like me here the republican party has outperformed its popular support over the years because it's always appealed to its base and look for ways to expand right words and the democratic party hasn't looked at the how to expand the left word instead it always focuses on the center and that's always very muddy and loses a lot of potential support from the left a lot of the commentators the pro-democrat commentators said biden did well by not losing. but on the progressive issues that you mentioned given that kamala harris has expressed support previously for the green new deal and the world has seen the pictures of the wildfires in the united states the climate crisis being ugly the existential threat to the earth how is she going to triangulate the position of not

supporting the green new deal on wednesday well unfortunately the whole biden harris campaign and biden from the beginning and now paris since she's jumped on i mean let's not forget she supported the green new deal that she didn't she supported medicare for all and then she didn't you know this whole campaign from the democrats has been predicated on appealing to this sort of middle of the road and i think sort of imaginary independent voter which you know has sort of reliably voted republican over the last few cycles why did obama win decisively twice because despite his shortcomings in actual policy he campaigned to the left he campaigned to progressivism and hope and change in these kinds of things by is not doing that at all biden is openly saying and harris now that she is joining him or openly saying look we're campaigning to the center these ideas that bernie sanders had i'm sure we're sort of giving them a little bit of lip service for we're not really going to do any of those things.

the harris pens campaign will have less fireworks because it doesn't include donald trump but it's going to be substantially very similar this debate coming up with harris and pence might be even more disappointing to progresses because it'll be a lot clearer what's happening we don't have the tapes yet from the d.n.c. from wiki leaks like we did in 2016 when it was exposed that there was sabotaging bernie sanders who you are sorry get off but surely there is electoral sense here the fact is biden has can take your vote for granted in all of this support is vote for granted anyway yeah i mean that is the way they seem to be campaigning and i don't know why they didn't learn the lessons of 2016 or simply look at what the republicans of done over the years to over perform the way that you want to campaign is that you expand your base and expand the people that you appeal to what bernie sanders did successfully and as he brought in people who had not been involved in the electoral process before that's why he would be killing trump right

now because he'd have traditional democratic voters and an expanded base of brand new voters what biden did very quickly is he constricted that progressive base told them look you're not really welcome here i'm not going to be with medicare for all i'm not going to be with a green new deal i'm not going to say that people shouldn't die simply because they can't afford their health care i'm going to stick to private health care i'm going to be very hawkish with israel i'm not going to talk clearly about palestinian rights all these things right he's going to appeal to the middle of that is a recipe for a loss and what they're saying to us is you have to vote for us no we don't you know no we don't i mean look i'm probably going to walk into a voting booth in michigan in november and i'm probably going to vote for joe biden but i still have 2 more debates to watch and i still have to worry about my community and my community the arab american community which is very large here especially in michigan is not just going to blindly. go along with biden cause he's

not trump ok trump is terrible we don't really look at trump we don't look at the g.o.p. because they don't look at us but if the democrats are going to look at us as arab americans and as progressive as a voting bloc then they need to treat us with the respect that we deserve ok we didn't hear too much about foreign policy at that debate perhaps the next presidential debate we will what do you make of this man and to the blinken who was a top aide to biden when he voted for the iraq war i understand he's a top foreign policy adviser during this election campaign probably a seat at the table in the oval office should biden when he said the 2002 vote for the legal iraq war was a vote for tough diplomacy well he's still the top foreign policy advisor for the biden campaign he's if biden wins will probably be a national security advisor or something like that and yes he is hawkish there is a sort of cabal of neo liberal hawkish foreign policy people that are at the center

of the biden foreign policy thinking and this is very dangerous especially for the arab world in the muslim world i mean say what you want to bout trump he has a lot of terrible things about him especially domestically but he's sort of like an isolationist when it comes to military action he has engaged in a lot of military action at least as far as american standards go in the last 4 years and especially in the arab world and so it's very fearful actually for a biden foreign policy and you have tony blinken who told arab american and palestinian communities this year that palestinians are to blame for our problems he told us that he repeated these lines of never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity he told us that one of the conditions of the biden campaign or the by the administration on palestinians will be have to have to outwardly accept that israel is a jewish state these are nonstarters for palestinians not one word about occupation remember this. the campaign

a foreign policy led by blinking and biden that refused to include the word occupation in the democratic party platform so where are we going to be left ok we're going to be left with it in ministration that doesn't completely shut us out like the trumpet ministration but in some ways is that worse when they let you in the door and say that they did and still don't do anything you want some people in our community believe that it's better to stick remain oppositional on the outside that we can get more solidarity from other communities by being on the outside of remaining oppositional then playing a game with it in ministration that has 50 years of experience of protecting israel from any criticism in the world we need to criticize the biden platform now if he wins let him know that we were not taken for granted and that we need to be included clearly in the new administration and our objections need to be preserved if anyone wants to want your amazing video about arab americans they day should

definitely if you want to just tell me about that specially on the census day but i think what i'm getting at here is we don't really know how many arab americans there are and if they don't vote for biden we know how small the swings were the broad trying to power could actually ironically arab americans be critical to electing bible in the 1st place yeah i mean we could you know we're hundreds of thousands strong here in michigan and michigan could be the state that it all comes down to and it's not only michigan we have strong communities in florida which is a swing state and pennsylvania as well and so the question is look you want to get into a booth secretly and vote for biden that's fine but celebrating him and organizing for him is a major major endorsement without getting anything in return yeah i might vote for biden but i'm not going to endorse him or organize form in fact quite the opposite i'm going to keep questioning him and criticizing him up until and after election day so he knows that we're not something to be taken for granted if he wins. as

arab americans we can swing this election maybe we did in 2016 when trump only won michigan by 10000 votes and i live in a neighborhood here and there dearborn michigan that has more than 10000 arabs just in this neighborhood so i mean they have to be very careful they cannot take us for granted and sometimes i'm worried about our own community because biden muttered in shala at the debate with trump and all of a sudden a lot of people went crazy oh my god he said a word in arabic what does that matter when he is telling palestinians that they don't deserve the same human rights as israelis when he is still saying that he wants to have strong relations with the saudi government when he is still you know praising these normalization deals with the u.a.e. and behind we have to be very careful not to accept crumbs you know aht i like homeless or saying and shahla is i think that's enough for you guys throwing right i mean of course the you alluded to it that the obama biden administration was brutal on the arab world i mean you look at libya today we have

a refugee crisis in the mediterranean do you think in any way that biden would change his stance on being a zionist on the move of the u.s. embassy in jerusalem of reducing weapons sales to israel that are hitting gaza he's actually said on the record all sales of weapons to israel must never be conditional we have absolutely no evidence that biden is going to be open to palestinian concerns and we have to be very careful as palestinians and those who might show solidarity with palestinians not to let trump be the one who set the bar look trump is terrible trump is transactional he's pro zionist because he either doesn't know any better or he thinks he's going to get evangelical votes in the south but biden is an actual zionist like he actually believes in these things from a geo political strategy point of view and that's very dangerous and so far he's told us that he might return things to they way they were on. to the obama

administration you know restoring funding to on rwa open up a p.l.o. mission in d.c. but very very importantly without jerusalem he said very clearly he won't move the embassy back to tell of eve he won't even consider it he said very clearly before that if they're warning israel we'd have to invent one he said very clearly before i'm a zionist these are things that palestinians and american arabs in america and those who profess solidarity with the palestinian question here in america need to take very seriously and question very seriously and if you stay quiet during a campaign no matter how you end up voting but if you stay quiet during a campaign well that's approval of what he's doing and saying and it's not going to win you a meaningful seat at the table when things are done it's ok let me say the arabs around the world and arabs in america it's ok to say no to a politician every now and then it's ok to be oppositional you don't have to jump and scream when he says inshallah on t.v. you don't have to jump and scream when he says he's better than trump his policies

are very very dangerous for us they've been very dangerous for us and we have to be very clear and critical about that. thank you. thank you after the break from rampant environmental destruction to the staggering death toll of the u.s. war on drugs can collective acts help to heal collective trauma we are asking legendary. filmmaker. about his new film psycho magic even though it's. going underground. nuclear become a battleground in the u.s. . people are demanding the shut down of a local plant. is right now my focus because it's a very dangerous. power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its

operational limits this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on where's the power in this country where's it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy is are powerline with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in very real ways a struggle. welcome back in paul one we discuss the upcoming presidential election in the u.s. next month throughout the course of the campaign period many of question devised the all of the candidates can do anything to change a world that appears to be rapidly heading towards destruction in the face a rising coronavirus death toll a new cold war imminent environmental catastrophe and a political plus that appears to be in no rush to change the status quo so if it's down to the people how can collective acts of healing and resistance save humanity

an issue explored in psycho magical healing arts the new film by legendary surrealist filmmaker i'll hand. dro going on the ground deputy editor jolly cook spoke to him via skype from paris to discuss the film as well as a new 4 k. box set of his classic works out now just in the real you know i said that is you know and then that if enough people makes you. wonder thank you so much for joining us and going underground just start by telling me about your new film psycho magic healing on when. they call me at the end or. look at the coolant theory. because the document that e.s.p. co-wrote the best. scene we know we made commentaries but cycle maybe there was an expedient of really in the present we have

a pedestal her approach limb is psychological problem and need to healing in front of the committee with a very difficult recourse when joining in front of it come into you're not really your usual ring you are acting but they're there and then we need to show them in a very delicate way in order to lay here for it if you're making them to be real and it's because there are himself laiki in the lake in it him i want to heal myself this might have to. do this you did you in the moment they're. going. to determine their destiny and. was you've been practicing and since the seventy's and you compare at the beginning of the

film to the work of freud just explain how that the difference between psychoanalysis and psycho magic then we're feeling the soul of the the golden c.m.s. 'd say hello you can. fight well against say oh must rule who come over for a funny shaped hole take on anything what that range that way us see and defeat the . scene with really a. seiko my you are so right that i am not at the east asia little ski they say clearly sees an actor with the worst seiko my shieling with with act say cornell and she's a lot of 6 i'll probably be sacred release that because they can not touch it bessel. can not that 'd it causes the knees he seem possible. and in the. saco magic say no the bully 'd is not the only a 6

a logik. we can't they the evil the. make you must. they hated the feeling you had your own feeling as. you mentioned the touching aspect of it in the film a lot of the a lot of the therapy is done through tops and 3 people touch each other do you think you are kind of in a way vindicated by coronavirus because now people realize how important touch is the color nobody knows if they complicate. aspic it's an illness but they also use it political settlement. finnell mean it's don't do many thing to speak of that week day week calendar

because we can only leave the decoder now reduced he sick a sicko many of the laboratories the one a little money already saved me the as a politician to major the most growth but this would be cause for the president if it be a and then the $2.00 to $31.00 to change it because they they they if it today that that that shane shamelessly really say show shame the planet we came what he would want to cause. if i would like to save the country's economy we must eliminate thornby and citizens in the next 5 years. begin the operations of the gas chamber as gas cools gas university he's gas libraries gas museums gas dance halls and houses etc i mean this is terrible

but what if anything this is a complaint of the planet it's a complaint to the any mail the the the the plant because we're not getting 000 reality we have to is that an e-mail a 'd 1000000000 meaning it will do is we need one to the others and in that we need to became more closely and then we have the illness and then wish that to change the shape so sell some but i've eats. the do we will do it did that i want to address something you discuss in the film about social psycho magic on a on a on a knowledge of scale in the film you show mexican's expressing pain at the 70000 people who died in the drug war how out essential like a magic walk on

a scale of that size and i started to the that the psycho magique. person to person for some g.s. low and then. we rarely if anything with the thoughts and we're not the one who had to collectivity and we need the and then i started to think i really feel a family if that the hill families father in law. them to give it and then they contain it if there are too many so they can make emailing groups work 20 pairs on 50 pairs on. well and it bears and then i have started to think well we need to make only cycle might be.

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know like these we have an electronic computer program to politics and the government. a company. we feed the computer on calming voice and revolutions. it tells us what kind of toys to produce to condition children from the. i do want to talk about the holy mountain because you said i read an interview said that when you're making that phone you're acting like a prophet and i just wanted to nair how your power was sorry prescient and how that film got so many things right about the world we now live in today make it 1st thought it was thoughtful with human thrown him off bundy cool the game is saying. she still thinks he's smiling she of the sycorax but i'm compelled i was

not on my staff and they must have you know how to speak out. and then. in the holy month i think the sense of the calling delete i they say to make it big show look not this building many studies you know it's big you know seem balls but i they only seem they were searching myself we are only every episode so that says she it truth saves sheet of the truth look what we will do it we will we want to know the secret of the human being we have a brain samy steady we live in a planet we'll know what is in the digital that will planet where we are those in the new universe we will know one percent of the universe let in europe and i mean the in the early in the monday and then the room where all the atoms we will know how east the evening meet with since i know if. i were to sail.

the elements of chemistry i mean but finite. so i didn't think needs of i like them in. recent months we could be combined into a nix. we're speaking of a look at what is well. well let's begin about truth what is truth we are living in countries but this country is in evolution because there are no countries from tears that move leaves their chain you know the time when we are living where we are fighting lay there the political life i did i thought lift what is right what is left there the same political marriage the proto me for the human being in the religion and of business no like the political level a lesser like or the. 'd 'd love boat or thirty's who are making that scene its

only business we're we're electing this kind of prissy that you know the planet due to they then know that d.c. can't bessel there then they have my danielle my daddy and my 30 on monday monday monday but human being kind of stalled. yes get their president to leave you got it if you also favor i don't know and i'm really is very difficult to they do we allow you in they were like they were he's coming but in this everything moment we kind of started to stop that that we kind of start we can't deny and we can say without a feeling we're not feeling good. these really say show me who i am but the f.c.c. is the destroying no will what is that. academic.

only. i will only cover numbers in order to the one where life numbers i would do what is the scene ima why the scene i might like the way the cinema is the only means est i does not need to study the cinema to give it only with the all that. is necessary then we need that i will we need to level it out that he's but we don't need to know what it did he's an addict. who had a chilling the the soul and the people he was he based on his not thoughts evil police he's not both evil these are what they seem yeah you did to seeing that be who i felt one of the though the 91 i am i not replacing i don't.

they we see the sick they see one month they can they see at peace but these 3 see as this out of this understood in this lonely life i am not that lone i am not the only an if i me i am not the only in it down 30 i haven't even looked in the planets because we come rico a week on because i'm so full so nice they're coming out so close in a week and some. thank you so much for your time. film director see there speaking to going underground deputy editor charlie cook and psycho magic healing of his streaming now to the show will be back when vigilance of scribed going underground on you tube if you don't miss an interview and join the underground by following up on twitter facebook instagram.

the whole soviet raising conflict no he's not going to look at it is no very hot you tell you what you need to know and it is america in 2020 on similar events. bolshevik revolution in 1970. people are demanding the shutdown of a local plant from yankee is right now my focus because it's a very dangerous. power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limits this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on where's the power in this country where's it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy is or powerline with the people this case

demonstrates that struggle in the very real ways. a struggle. the headlines this hour edging toward into full blown war the conflict between on media doesn't push on i've been when i cut it back and does it 2nd we our correspondent reports from the disputed territory. things like this one. this tiny village alone was 6 massive. one of them landed and this is all the devastation that has left. clashes between demonstrators and police in tel aviv over the weekend dozens arrested for violating controversial new song large demonstrations amid a spy i can tell you would care.