she is a political analyst and editor it interests me internet media project originally crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated ok let's go to the georgian budapest the conflict the call about a buck has flared up again those that have. been watching the post soviet space gotten used to this year now after over 7 days of the conflict reigniting again georget some kind of stalemate put it into context why is this conflict important to follow. when you have to go back to the earliest days of the bolshevik revolution and to the decisions of joseph stalin who was the bolsheviks point man on nationality he was the nationality. in among the bolsheviks and he decided that the region. should be a part of there by john b. you know within that within the territory it was there by john. and it's ethnic

make the fact that it's ethnically armenian the armenians were going on about this is the need is there that this would be a part of i mean but he decided to be a part of us there by john in large part because the bolsheviks was seeking to appeal to the muslims of asia and also the muslims of the of what became the u.s.s.r. and in particular to turkey. at that's right and the nascent bolshevik regime was making great efforts to. keep turkey happy. so that back when it was set up now of course it didn't really matter so much within the u.s.s.r. because everybody just did as they were told by the leadership in moscow but when it when the soviet union broke up in their completely chaotic appalling way then of course these national issues flared up because it was one thing to be. for the armenians of the border guard about the buyout of us led by john which

was within the soviet union and it's quite another thing to be part of us that. which is now an independent state i mean really going on since since the breakup of the soviet union one of the things that makes it different than what we saw from the original complicating out of the end of the soviet union was in the late eighty's early ninety's i want to be unimpressed this year in this case both countries are relatively well armed now. even though azerbaijan has significantly more well because of oil and russia is supplies the arms of the both countries more or less here but the difference in this case this time around is it's becoming much more internationalized turkey is playing a major role here and a lot of people are very critical of turkey's role here israel is involved others

want to pull in iran and this is the internationalization of it if it were internationalize it would be a repeat we've seen a number of times this is what makes it different this time. well you're absolutely right i think. a lot of qantas just irresponsibly to this company. i would just suggest you compare the statements of president and the statements of the graben and got just open to say yes i code we will support everything in azerbaijan thinks it makes sense to do it for its security i mean what kind of my gosh you aim to do it is that yeah so that is certainly responsible on the side of turkey. why did it become possible turkey has not behaved so responsibly during the last week and in 1904 basically you with the big 3 or. well i think the reason is basically what happened in the last

i would say 1015 years just let me remind you when turkey syria in 2000 you haven't 1012 open everyone reports of the western press reports of the turkey supported you know the terrorist groups that entered syria from the north it was not a secret nato was on the side of turkey let me remind you of that when syria downed turkish fighter planes over its territory in the beginning all the war quite legally because the turkish fighter plane was on the syrian the syrian air space nato even had a crisis meeting they were deciding what to do in order to support to make it. ironically just a few years later in 2000 i guess 19 when turkey

moved against their american allies in the north of syria against the kurds that actually to a major was completely different they started talking about ever gone trespassing the borders over sovereign state of c.d.'s which they didn't care about just a few years ago right so it was a complete change of attitude. unfortunately after gun kind of you know that you love it so if you do things that the west does not object to you're free to act as you walk as you want basically in this situation he decided that it was just about time to to give support to and thereby judge that all it courage is yours and i'll jump back to see if there's one of the things that we've discussed of grievances because previously is the lightest or do it is because it can do it here and that's this is a very dangerous foreign policy or because you know thinking about the consequences of it george there are there are media reports that. through turkish channels that

you have fighters from syria and libya and the in the caliber of them these are militants just addis by one description or another and they're being transported into this conflict into the box that is a very dangerous step here and considering what demon just said about the reaction to turkey we have to french president speaking very very clearly that this is a very dangerous development according to reports george yes the reports certainly credible and i don't know what extent they've been confirmed but they are those are widely. accessible reports and it's certainly consistent with everything else that no one has done i mean a great remember initially there were these jihadi terrorists who were transferred from libya to syria you need to talk them out of the overthrow of gaddafi and then recently france. you heard these from syria to libya so that we would be

publicly plausible. now be transpiring jihadi fighters from syria as they are by john it as you say why is there no one doing this yet because he can he figures that if he creates enough trouble than he is heavy defeats on the armenians then you know russia and the rest of the minsk group will have to accept realities on the ground. you know the armenians will have to give up some territory within hours or by johnson to the charity of my going to be reduced and then everyone will hail this as a great victory and in others my aunt was foreign policy but also that will signal a defeat for russian or i'm a whole movie he's not going to go there died a year later when he began going on is you know i mean people have talked about here don't want to miss a meal autumn is a 1000000 things like that. i mean there's a literature on it and maybe it's

a pipe dream too but one thing is undeniable in all of this this is a major irritant for russia because russia great with bobbie's going really i mean even to the point with the kind of military hardware with planes very example both governments need permission runs russia i'm sure you've been in military absent here i mean this is a real annoyance for the kremlin here and maybe that's the whole point go ahead. well i would say that both sides of course have arguments in their favor and i don't buy junk some arguments too because well i just you know let's be clear in the congo going about a bishop legally under international law is part of us or by juggling absolutely and when the war ended in 1904 as i say it was armenians victory and most of their refuse genie is from the government car park where ethnic lines are by journalists not only is and i want to cover up our armenian control but also several jason.

districts over over again by jump rope on the armenian control so i think what we should all pray for is that baku just wants to get back to these areas 1 which are not populated almost by anyone right now that would be i think the best outcome because it would be in the form of your security in return for terrorist in action but unfortunately there is a high risk it's not going to happen because both sides are raising the stakes you know the latest reports are that armenian missiles some armenian have targeted ganja which is the 2nd largest city in azerbaijan just kind of raises the stakes dramatically in this situation so both sides have arguments in their favor and the russian educate is very simple just stop fighting trying to resolve with by peaceful means because if there are if you're just of course

a lot of them will go to russia. and that's the more star i think. of these conflict because if we go back to history you know both sides will find dollars and so arguments in there. but you are absolutely right that it's an era for russia i think it's not just a new year and it's a very bad situation for all of the international community and the west is also in a precarious situation here because initially. aegis the russian. and the west basically support up and out of sight but when i was there by john joint who are you know these are russian coalitional or soviet states that egg and use in the west suddenly changed and there was more and more sympathy you for as you are by john so basically i think. there is only one solution is just to stop fighting

and restart the formula headed truce in return for security because you know what have destructor weapons and it's very interesting is that in the in the late eighty's and early ninety's. iran could have played a very important mediating role but that they were shut out by the west again a regional player a very important and powerful one was shut out of a process that could've been how to peace process internationalize instead of having someone like the one trying to flare up the conflict. will end on this point george i think we'll know it's all over when everyone is summoned to sochi. it could well be. but i think at some point russia would have to intervene in a more decisive fashion and russia is not of all to be marginalized in this process so if one is able to hail this as a great victory. you know russia is the great power in the region russia mediate.

at the the end of the previous gone it can all go well to we can you know that on that note there we're going to go to a short break and after a short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news state with our. class as an american citizen but he didn't want to talk that's why. we're in a tough time we had a nasty guy and i think. i would vote for a republican i would vote for anyone who's not and has half a brain defeat. to feel that. my 2nd wife. she can handle. she and i divorce because

our trouble is elected president and i floated for him and she can't stand for. that when the most important election. in our history is mr the months to go before the next presidential election how is the atmosphere in the us now. watch of the highest priority programs how will they vote should they do next not. just some of the questions we put to the america. was abundant make no certainly no borders just blind to nationalities. as a merged little time with the we don't look like seeing the whole world needs to be . judged as comedy crisis with

this system to. we can do better we should be. everyone is contributing each other own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenges created with the response has been massive so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we're in it together. welcome back to cross up where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let's go to deal or let's switch gears a little bit here i came across an absolutely fascinating article in the american

conservative by a writer helen andrews and her her article is a 2020 is tumbling towards $917.00 subtitle we think we're safe from revolution we're wrong it's already in the works what do you think about the comparison of what's happening in the us politically in this very formal she was year and reflection about what happened historically in 1970 and in the russian empire that would soon come to an end. well it's rare that you read sides being seen in the american media because it's and then for their american ultra liberal to compare more than the united states to the soviet union you know the the poor comparisons to will spout in years more but in fact for me you know due to my historical knowledge of russia due to their summations there they made their american public right now the perilous up all of us you know that not just because they're striking

you know i think that the reason for that paradox is that out there are we have basically to look at than it did in his most here which have a lot of things in common you know trumpet is on the able to do so and this stood to put it in his mind you know the 3rd off the nazis and corman which is now basically rooted in do think that states you know instead of him and elected president this is their idea what would your ultra liberalism that is really in the united states and trunk anoxic. why is it so he just traces it back to you know solve it by all should be examined and the marks as. well there are parallels but these are different and you're just parrot also in radio because you know the technology is seen you find a certain group of individuals a social group you declare them have been oppressed historically no you claim to have the right to represent these formally oppressed minority and to

act on their behalf indicator prerace trying to understand that i'm going to read between the lines there so the boss who makes the little black lives matter going to historical in the whole is absolute and it's not just had a nebulous that drew attention to this but also peter suffered in europe in the tablet which is an american magazine on religious affairs here august 1st an age an article called. walk america is a russian novel published it in july and let me just quote that you know he talks about you have given you bizarre effect character or turn again of snow will return in the mid 19th century but not a few bolsheviks so to speak and nihilist you know this is when the war nile is became popular in russia and later on in the whole world so let me just called peter sullivan one wonders even buzz out of is there different from today's protest

and state you populace the twinkie some thinks sowing discord in our news rooms the castle culture it's the liberal hawk the social part who police our social media feeds well this is exactly true because you know the problem with bolshevism is that it's less of an ideology it's less the communists it says it's acknowledge of coming to power. yeah i just shot here you know you're shut down all your points where everyone who disagrees an enemy your to go everyone who disagrees reactionary and story and just see it walked in the wall street journal for example where you have that opinion peach fighting in the news room you know that being in beijing all standing gross there like the constitutional democrats who toppled the czar in february 1000 so when the call to create

a new rebuttal russia and mean if you will and then you throw out the bolsheviks you know what was actually us there already sidelining all the american people in the ways in the same way bolshevik sidelined constitutional democrats in russia and you know the reason why this can happen on george the reason why this is going up because there's a crisis of legitimacy ok that's this that is the ultimate parallel it's the bolsheviks in 1917 or france and 80789 i mean it's always about the lack of legitimacy and you have people within the power structures that are fueling on this illegitimacy ok they are actually destroying the system then sell it's a this is not a bottom up thing that's a top down thing again jurors know there's rights only mentioned to gain of spiders and sons i would cite in other great russian novel which is perhaps even more apt which is does the us is the process because it was condense that deniers or you

know some of them and some of them were. extreme socialists were really are the product of the liberals of the earlier generation the liberals of the earlier generation that encourage this nihilism this destructiveness and they have lost the radical movement but what was really a stunning about that novel is the complete collapse of the order of the all of the just collapse like a house of cards and so does. as you wrote this almost 40 years before 917 and before that postal exactly what happened the entire russian governmental structure what it had been there for hundreds of years collapse like a house of cards and that's really what's and that's what there was a kind of a rock from within and that's what you see in the united states because you see where strums real problem is within the intelligence military security

establishment they are openly defying the elected president they're openly speaking of them does it with disdain as if he had no legitimacy they they criticise he is his moves when he went to that church and play at square you had the military chiefs criticizing and trump really didn't have the strength you have doesn't have the political strength to fire all these people and which and therefore sure you know this election turned out to be the chaos and that it looks like it's going to be then you know we should expect some sort of an insurrection within the government and trump made might be able to do very much about it you know in the in the know the people on the political left in the united states are indeed are are just. absurdly historical in their thinking they think it can't happen to us we can control this we know how to manage it know that that they're missing history here they're good they're not they're not students of history once you start stuff like

this it's almost impossible to control it and they end up being the victims of it eventually ok this is not this they're playing with fire here just because they hate the man in the oval office here the implications of which are are are enormous you can't control this kind of thing go ahead. you are absolutely right and the problem is that you know what you should be exposed to want and russia and them the you with bolshevism you know their foreign policy in the united states it's vice versa you know hope. that ultra liberals 1st used to call demon a speech and of political leaders outside the net states they used it in serbia they used it against ukraine they used it against russia and now they using it against their own president so that they can or would you of come into power over the new bolsheviks ultraliberal says hold them it's very simple the persona you fight evil you know they don't talk about historical process they don't talk about

the corner of history just there is an evil man you know running this country and life will be beautiful you know ok they remove gadhafi and what do we have that will have a civil war it's a much more complicated society than just you know one evil man controlling everything and i agree completely with george you know in the process by just ask you please know that. i'm a negative character that evolutionary. he's father is an all star ribeiro you know and he's portrayed satirically in the beginning of the novel so basically he does that yes he predicted that the future bolsheviks will come from westernized liberals they will stem from them you know he also george you know if you look what you know we all know the techniques that the bolsheviks used to come to power and they understood how collar work i give them not the rest of the ideology i know but they understood that but if you are if you're a student of history and you're

a student of the bolsheviks it makes me think of steven cohen who just recently passed away wrote the seminal book i think on the bolsheviks and that was one who caught it and what happened to him he was a victim of a huge purge committed in 1937 and the same kind of courage will come to these people ok because they let this this very toxic i call that ideological possession there possessed people this is this is beyond reason you know. it will come for them eventually history proves it over and over again go ahead george has a rap yes i think that's exactly right and that's what happens when you start playing this very dangerous game people who should know better. think that oh well you know this will get us the power once we are in power then we can just call this a cold war these mad dogs and we'll be nice and safe no it doesn't really work that

way. as the old bolsheviks found yeah i think got rid of all of the enemies the cool actually. are is bureaucracy it's either you know the entire sotiris establishment they would be safe no it came up to them and it was the old bolsheviks who were swept aside so yeah that's exactly what's what will happen here and what is it already this very very narrow goal of seizing power they you know they seize power that is they believe that it is their legitimate their right or this power over throat and there will be there and it never works that way you know again the one of the interesting thing for me i mean what we talk a lot about i do you hold your nights and you're the best but you know it particularly in the in the west in general but particularly in the united states there's a huge economic turndown this is adding on to this because you have these elements

that use this ideology for political reasons but the inadvertently or are slaney the economic and financial discontent of people so you're going to get this this mixed you're this and this is going to be a very interesting a brew hear it because people are going to countries poorer i mean nobody wants to admit it in media your country is poor and now we're not like a lot like matter we have this intentional need the legitimizing. tradition law rule of law. and that's why i wanted to talk about this sort of last 15 seconds but you yeah well i'm going to commute and i'm about iconoclasm here you know we will be dismissed by liberal media for comparing this name to states now to russia 1700 more for you guys to get angry chest while you know all. the poorly issues historian and writer your old why bolsheviks also in poland didn't

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