discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest ted harvey in denver he's chairman of the committee to defend the president and a founding member of the former stop hillary and sumter we're joined by chris fance he is former chairman of the washington state republican party after his departure from the g.o.p. he is now an active member of the never trump group any job i originally pressed up and i think that means you can jump in anytime you want now as appreciate ok let's go to ted in denver as i asked in my introduction as we is the election that is looming what impact has donald trump had on the g.o.p. because i will put my cards on the table i think i see myself as a conservative i don't usually think of the president is being a conservative where does he go where does how does he fix it fill in the mix of the g.o.p. own head. well as a conservative that goes all the way back to working in the reagan white house i

would definitely say that president trump is a conservative probably the most pro-life president and american history and ronald reagan obviously was the 1st leader of the pro-life movement in america if you look at his efforts to try to secure our borders that's something that i've been fighting for for decades lowering taxes slashing regulations that is going to be the legacy of this president not to mention putting 3 supreme court justices that are constitutionalists on the supreme court and 300 constitution with john. courts across the country i think he has the definition of a conservative president and he is a populist just like ronald reagan was a popular and he you ran is a populist i will give you that he ran as a populist ok but jim you know before i go to chris here but the chamber of commerce is into endorsee joe biden ok and shot no he said no but you do mention

all the culture stuff ok that's not securing the border that's not your legal orders and stopping illegal immigration is not a cultural thing it's not the alpha and omega of being and served here ok let me go to chris because chris has left the g.o.p. . what how has donald trump changed the g.o.p. since you're not in it anymore go ahead chris let me go back to what the ted said about the policies promoted by president reagan who are also killed before and or did sure he's dangerous from life as was ronald reagan on trade wrong break in almost all postering were to republicans were adamantly pro free trade in favor of nafta in favor of things like the true pacific partnership in terms of protections gratian ronald reagan and george bush and george 'd bush and john to keep supporting the past illegality for the 11000000 people. who are here illegally.

roots and are now working and living in america trumps the nativist wants to deport everyone and stop every form of immigration. see trump is a is america 1st isolationism is a radical departure from the crowd globalism of the republican party under white eisenhower and reagan and nixon and ford so yeah done trump has dramatically changed the republican party which is why millions of republicans like me have left it ok well i don't see the republican party really fighting the charge for donald trump here i mean when you look at foreign policy they've turned against them almost every single way here and i'm going to go back to ted here you know dick responding to what chris said most american presidents the vast majority of american presidents have been protectionists that's how america built its industry now that is a fact you know saturday up until i somehow or it was

a barry protection regime ok jerk you know you're a little bit of historical perspective here surely you should did from what we say you know you have to jet airplanes the nature trade sort of change but you're you're right but the arc of american trade policy by republicans and democrats in fact the world's trade policy has been to lower tariffs as close as possible to free trade. and people like peter navarro have turned us completely the other direction and the republican party is not there i disagree with you republicans have not a closed trunk and like people like i think they oppose they said that i don't see them going all out and supporting him that's a difference. they allow him to do the things he's done which is radically transform the republic and what what has what has the perfect god you can not wrong great and what has he done he has renegotiated now and all of the republican and most of the democrat in congress supported in his renegotiation of nafta he's not

against free trade needs for free trade he just wants it to be fair trade and that's why he green negotiated the agreement and that's why most of the republican from and that top of the democrats as well supported the now after the new trade agreement and so anybody has peacefully negotiated a 6 china grace period and he's renegotiated the china agreements he's not against trade with china us we're free trade with china fair trade with china and make sure that they're not stealing our intellectual property i don't think ronald reagan i don't think mccain i don't think romney i don't think bush would have been for having other countries feeling our. intellectual property and that's what the president bought or if your poor allowing other countries that's the all our intellectual property that run on that i guarantee you you're not going to get the support of the american people or the republican party to do that maybe that's why you left the party chris christie maybe there's an ample amount of evidence that

most of the pundits got 2016 wrong and the reason why donald trump was unlucky because he didn't run on trade because people we see the hollowing out of america the shuttering of factories and i'm not saying china stole those jobs no it was the comptons of industry that did that ok they're the ones that made the decision that they would make their money elsewhere and they would leave the working class and drive here is what's wrong with that kind of approach here because i don't like globalism because i don't it hurts middle classes all across the western world but it makes some people i mean it's leverage what's wrong with pushing back against globalism as. i have defined go ahead currency because i reject the truce there is absolutely no data that shows that the if the trade agreements that we negotiated and reduced jobs in fact they increased the united states and yes. there are winners and losers and. some blue collar manufacturing jobs were lost but

overwhelmingly it's been because automation not because of factory relocation you know the other side of the state where our entire economy is based on trade our ability to sell our boeing airplanes and our washington state apples and our wheat and microsoft software and come straight war has cratered economy in many different ways it is just completely contrary to what republicans believe should be just about tariffs your company taxes on products that americans want to buy which leads other countries to put taxes on products that americans want to sell maybe maybe you can easier to america says it maybe things should be made in america where americans are paid decent wages for good work ok and that's your duty is really what i do for you you know are oblivious very hard you are it's the whole libertarian argument ok and it doesn't work that's why the the republican party

will become extinct if the libertarians keep controlling it go ahead or or we could have lowering the terrible regulation that our strength. wrangling. productivity in the united states or we could lower taxes that have been set up by thing that the business that's believe the united states or we stop having these legacy expenses that the unions have put on manufacturers across the country and making them leave the united states or making them believe washington state and going to south carolina you're bragging about boeing but they're having a huge. portion of their development going out of the state because of the huge regulatory and union burdens that are upon them that's not just in seattle that's that's across the country that's why they're leaving and president trump is lowering all of those regulatory burdens and that's why you see manufacturing jobs come back united states in numbers that we haven't seen for decades it's not

because these jobs left and they're never going to come back again because of automation it's because of all of these terrible policies that republicans and democrats have passed for decades now they're starting to come back because we've lowered regulation that we've lowered taxes and we've brought those industries back to the united states that's good for america why would anybody be opposed to those things i don't i don't get it ok goodman i don't want to talk about trade the whole program ok you guys made good points here ok but chris people are not going to vote for or against donald trump because of trade on the 3rd. i'm sorry it was a question but my question is is it. that voters will not vote for or against donald trump on november 3rd based on trade policy would you agree or disagree with that oh absolutely and you know this day hope this pivoting to what i think we're here to talk about which is does the republican party have a future in a way that this discussion is

a month too soon because the election's going to determine everything of course. if you believe the polls and i do so i've been in politics my entire life right now donald trump is behind overwhelmingly i mean there are polls yes 54 holes yes fish on joe biden with double digit leads nationwide there are only concerned going to lose the senate they're going to lose their seats in the house and if the election were today trump would suffer the biggest defeat since wrong reagan beat walter mondale when that happens the republican party's going to have a choice they can try attack back to the center and get into trump ism but i don't think they'll be able to do that because the base of the republican party has changed the evil who make up the party has literally changed what i see is the future of this country is the democrats becoming a broad centrist governing coalition which should win majorities of all levels and actually govern this country in the way that the f.d.r. democrats did so for so many dictates that we think this you mentioned

a word that i want to explore here with is there such a thing as trying to is and that was in my introduction is there such a thing. there it is called a party that believes in lower taxes it's a party that believes in less regulation of the party that leads in the play that means in a sound they are not all created to me is that rich you miss him that that's that's exactly right and then you look at all of the presidents who have us about everything that chris is talking about that the candidate i should say that christmas talking about and that would be john mccain that would be romney that would be bush the 2nd who ran i mean bush the 1st who ran on read my lips no new taxes and then he rates taxes that is the party that chris is the spouse i'm a car i'm 1000 a party that actually believes in these promises and book bills these promises and gets elected in huge majorities across the country when when we do it at the local local level we do it at the legislative level where we have we do it running for

the white house those are the principles that cross across the whole spectrum of democrats conservative democrats republicans on affiliated that anything winning populist message that gets america back to work and like donald trump that makes america great again but he's down in the polls and i would i would argue then you know trump trumps affection for wall street as it is a real problem for the republicans try gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue where does our discussion on whether there is trump is a state with our. as

the u.s. economy was booming growing numbers of people were made homeless. you can work 40 hours 'd a week and still not have enough to get housing everybody believes america still is the land of opportunity the reality of we're not financially equality and the lack of affordable housing living minimum wage many people no choice. that's been a problem with the city. and told to stay away almost. because you also requires resources the most vulnerable or abandoned on the streets

to become invisible clubs. welcome back to crossfire or all things are considered i'm peter little just remind you we're talking about whether there is such a thing as trump is. ok chris i want to go back to you we were talking about whether there is trump ism given the president's record which i think is really spotty it's kind of all over the place you know when when other i am against this. there's this trainee that federal. employees have to go with this critical race theory i'm i think it

should be there it doesn't belong there but president trump decided to ban it because he was watching tucker carlson. is that help policy is made and i'd love to talk also don't get me wrong here but it is see i've seen this i watched the program monday through friday and i see this effect where the night before the morning after the night a policy comes up which i heard tonight i'm tucker what do you think about it well i did pretty unrestrained in my criticism of donald trump he has of both with the attention span of a hamster and that is how he makes policy but the thing is don't a lot of people will tell you that there is no such thing as trump is a because done print can or to kill a good there is people like steve bad and and the whole crew over right art and steven miller and peter navarro and andrew entry and all the folks right from the national conservative national populous websites and a very sad ideology and it is not reaganism it is the dark side of

conservatism there p. crusaders pack up behind that find out what he's going to fight and encourage it is a it is a 1st lie it's a version of conservatism which according to live action a list ordering over lorraine ocracy if you're being isolated backward policy you know i'm ted i don't think you guys waiting for the dark side if i could finish it is the same thing you saw with the know nothings in our party 950 with the america 1st lindbergh isolationist in the 1920 s. with the john birch society it's based on 4 policies one an isolationist foreign policy 2nd and nativists anti immigration policy 3rd a protectionist trade policy and for a everyone can have their cake and eat it too irresponsible let's triple the debt economic policy this is not what dwight eisenhower believed or ronald reagan but it is very much are happy can believe and that is the direction the republican party

is going and even though donald trump could never explain it because he is now the intellect do it ok go ahead reply. i'm still listening for the dark things that he's talking about literally this is a story this president ran on securing our borders and making sure that we're not being overrun by drug traffickers and human traffickers and that we invite people in that we want to have come in i think every american across the country believes in that strategy and if you don't then that that calls into question your position is not the president's position i think that every american wants to have free trade and fair trade and that's what the president has done with renegotiating nafta i think that the american people support the policies of the president if you're looking at the poll i think that what the president accomplished in the 1st 3 years and giving us probably the greatest economies in your or my lifetime prior

to the coronavirus coming the coronavirus has had a huge impact on the economy and the democrats have done a great job of capitalizing on that but i believe that the policies that this president has pursued have been the best policies of my lifetime that everything trump promised he would do but wasn't able to put a filter i didn't support from when he ran i didn't think he would fulfill the promise i supported ted cruz i was a delegate to the national convention to support ted cruz. having said that i thank god that donald trump got elected because i don't think ted cruz would have had the backbone to stand up to the media and stand up to the democrats will be able to build everything that he had ministration done and i'm proud to be supporting president drop and i'm working my butt off to make sure we get reelected in november ok you know ted just like so many other republicans he's going to be like a good lawyer letting him go over the cliff with donald trump it obviously pursues

my policy but i want if you let me what it was or if he would have been pro-choice i wouldn't support it if he would have been for open borders i wouldn't support it if you would have been your crack in it i would have supported problem and i believe in the values and the president actually did that i'm not going to do it and said what he did actually could be delayed by khalid right now i don't want it but i think that it's going to make the folks this program this was the future of the republican party the less the polls are completely wrong republicans are headed to or overwhelming defeat millions of americans and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of republican leaders like myself have left the party because they didn't ask you the question you said you're being the party ok that's what i want to get at is it is it is about his policies or is it about him. it's enough goals and i'm active in most of the major never trump organizations you talk you talk about you find a lot of people who are there because trump himself is just narcissistic idiot who

can't govern the country is dangerous not loyal to the constitution of the rule of law but a lot of others are there also because they were reaganites they were bush supporters and are horrified direction that she's taking the party. it's not just this election. republicans have lost the college educated white suburban voters particularly women probably for a generation and there are enough angry white evangelical protestant men to make up for that this move towards this white populism has made the republican party stronger in some places but which is what matters in american politics there and that's going to continue you know tent one of my criticisms of president trump during this pandemic is that i really wish he would have used the bully pulpit a lot more because i think he could have easily outflanked the democrats in the

house of representatives and they actually maybe might have even outflank biden because biden doesn't say very much ok but i think that he could have been very very forceful after the very richest people in the world were bailed out and then main street in the working class was left high and dry and don't bring that up the example that one check ok i think that that would have been it would not only would have been the right they need to do but i think it would have been a winning political strategy as well what happened there because we know that he said i will do it after the election well that's just passing the buck when there are 4050000000 people in crisis in the middle of the country go ahead release guy get nancy pelosi to sign on to whatever comes out of house of representatives that's got to come through the house 1st that they really don't want it but i think they he wasn't active in pushing it he seemed to be standing aside and you know but mitch mcconnell if you take care of it know it i think there was

a huge mistake on his part because this was a moment his f.d.r. moment that he let slip through his fingers and i think that if i think a lot of people what it said look he's the criticism that chris gave is fine i don't care i can i only care about policy i don't care about the tweets in any of that does. lisa proposed to me but you know being the savior of the middle and working classes i think that would have been a game changer and he lit he missed it and don't blame him palosi that's what the presidency is of all about the bully pulpit and he could have said to the republicans get behind me or i'm going to steamroll you you never said that go ahead i would agree i think that we're getting that criticism i think you should have been saying that from day one that nancy pelosi is the obstructionist in this situation i'm fighting for you and i'm going to continue to fight for you and for the last 2 wants and kinch every day say that nancy pelosi is the reason why we're not getting this through she wants to bail out the failed cities of. these democrat

run cities across the country who have overextended themselves whether it's on pensions or or other things that they've spent money on and now they want to bail out and use the coronavirus that the excuse to bail them out i don't want to be bailing out seattle again i'm bending the app i'm not defending i'm the president should a president should have been doing that it's a legitimate criticism. ok chris. since you're a former republican if you could give the other side some advice what would you give to g.o.p. how to win because i essentially agree with you and the way things are going the republican party is going to be deep deep in the woods for a very long time and i don't think that's a good idea because personally i think on november 3rd if by wins we're going to have voter remorse and very very quickly ok because people that the media has done it on a personality which is quirky and i'm being generous and best go ahead what's the advice to the g.o.p. chris. i've been doing campaigns for over 30 years of his state party chairman have

been an elected official the republican party needed a long time ago to dump truck is associate themselves from this person to reestablish themselves as a party of fiscal conservatism was a social conscience back to the moderate centrist policies of reagan and bush and the sooner they do that the better if they don't they have no chance of ever any back again the moderate college educated white suburban voters particularly women and republicans have a historic problem with nonwhite voters which is a growing percentage of united states but that's not the crisis that the crisis then is it lost people like me college educated white suburban professionals and without that they can't possibly put together a winning coalition so after trying to loses they need to have a very difficult conversation and move back to deemphasize to social issues get

back amnesty for illegal immigrants who are here and there will be american mountain americans want it back to free trade and yes their hardcore base will be furious good the best thing they have to the republican party is for it to split left supporters go create like a constitutional party or something. is it the to win in american politics you've got to be in the center and they've noticed i mean with all due respect exactly the way beyond a day hang on with all due respect chris that means you're looking forward to one party rule for a generation yeah i think it's inevitable i think that's inevitable it's a good. country. i want to look at i want to kill themselves say i want to stick it to the g.o.p. because i'm a conservative but i'm not a member of the republican party ted when he's going to get rid of all these libertarians ok it's obvious hillary did chile oh they're still there ok

they're ok i'm so tired of deregulation ok and the tax cut i'm tired of hearing that it's not a winning message you have to go where people live where their problems are these are not solving it 30 seconds my friend ted go ok all right the same policies that chris is the spouse and his wife romney is not president why mccain's not president and why when he was state chair of washington state the democrats hold everything else statewide office that he was chairman of the group that is now that is why it's not just wall street will not win and conservative policies do win that's what the broad spectrum of the american people why not gentlemen we have run out of time i want to thank ted and chris for joining me here on crossfire i don't think our viewers are watching this you're not you see you next time and remember.

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