to be expected on this in any conflict the real question is whether the potus have an interest in to a single ceasefire and i think that applies very much to the by john and to it's a chief sponsor turkey because for others by john a ceasefire and the status quo ante isn't really in its interests. turkey has made clear that it will not accept anything short of a complete armenian withdrawal from the areas that it's been occupying since 94 so i did just think that this the ceasefire may not last i mean there's just simply . there's this there's too many vested interests against it and therefore. this this conflict is likely to escalate you name is there in the risk of losing base in azerbaijan because this offensive against the heart of the what about guns and gun anywhere i mean if you will of villages many gave you know just been lost in their

lore largely been abandoned for 30 years so i mean who's who where is the risk greatest right now i would think it would be in. well you are right because basically i think when. i survived decided to respond really violently to what was a rather usual you know small possible bombardment from the armenian side so when i was there but underside of glasgow i think mr reddy hoped that in a few days at wharton a few weeks armenians would just seed 2 or 3 districts out of 7. that are part of the so-called new car about security because all of these are areas not populated by armenians not populated by said by jenna's this is basically a wasteland which is used as a buffer zone between the 2 sites so i think i do you hope in a few days maybe in

a few weeks at least part of the ground will be gained that would be there to it but now we see that the whole situation is getting more certain more send armenians are responding by hitting a city is deep inside as they are by john so i think no if you. can't get a little ground ok that will be trumpeted as a victory in baku but certainly it would not justify the costs the costs were enormous you know george i was looking at some of the communication coming out of the foreign ministry in the kremlin this bear and it was very obvious that it was a very obvious omission and it was i think it is a snub there was no mention the be serious brain that president they're going to be part of this big oshie aging process and the reason why it's a glaring omission because the the turkish foreign ministry pointed out the

omission it went angry about. yes there's no question turkey is making. trouble and turkey has no interest in ceasing to make trouble. it wants to make trouble for russia because both me and azerbaijan are good terms with russia. you know of a save the military arrangement with amin is more expensive with azerbaijan nonetheless america russia has good relations with both any conflict between awning and as a bunny is a headache for russia and i think this is really the danger of far as russia is concerned that along with belarus with ukraine with georgia there are powers that have a vested interest in causing headaches for russia because this is russia's sphere of influence and if there's a conflict and russia is unable to resolve this conflict then it's

a serious problem for them and i think that for the russians is that they really want to settle this soon as possible i'm not a socialist is that's really on the cards you know and human kind of speculating here right now the back that everyone wasn't involved visually involved in all of this is this it seems to me that how they're based on and kind of showing its hand right now because. there's been a number of years since we've seen a major escalation here the other by john sides. a dance that is weaponry in its military and my sense is the base of this would be a grow up and die and then get a decisive victory that could change the balance of forces that has not come into play and observation to moscow to who was another part of the buyer as it were ok and i think that's a possibility here since everyone was obviously very publicly excluded when you

think. well i think what gods are saying you can read it in just above all western news purpose right now i mean the most conspicuous was the article in the new york times here which is become and a really bad propaganda rag right now so there's article in the new york times was headlined if you're basically surround sounded by instability pugin along the sort of instability is now surrounded by the article by un parkway and lost and the author writes that a concurrent crisis in belarus central asia and the caucasus region have blindsided the kremlin leaving did believe in it scrambling to shore up russian interests well i'm trying to get back to the nonsense but give your opinion here go around it's nonsense because never in the last 30 years give barcoo or her appeal to moscow for help and if you look at the statement from the president

that he of which game i think yesterday or 2 days ago it was so was it you have towards russia i barely could recognize him he said that russia has our complete trust you know he sent his foreign minister to moscow they're going to be the white knight my interpretation of this is that the regime is not really baby into everyone's game absolutely the opposite i think what you're talking only really really expensive big words now they. really get out and now it's been months. and actually and not only in this area by john i mean the corpulent of the west is just saw so blue and by their ideology they always suspect the kremlin of head in the wast of intentions the most you could call intentions and what was going on ok there was this there was this turmoil in belarus never in the. last 30 years did

belarus look up to russia so much as it does now you know since the question who came to power it was pretty independent now he's begun russia to help in kyrgyzstan well i mean it's a real disaster one of the reasons was the coffee because 46 percent of our kinda stuff economy is service industry so quickly just killed it there was this basically a rebellion in bishkek and now both sides in the can stay in the situation of complete anarchy i'll get up to more school bus i know many members of the group of us community in america and i've been told this is just my own personal experience that many of them tell me that many people in a great extent actually might return to the russian better aeration this so. it is true but it is true also apart many of the countries of the middle of it union so 1st public opinion is important and you know these 3 crisis

belarus carra bar kyrgyzstan the people actually do not blame russia or more of the people of the view russia as a stabilizing force 100 of thousands of them were going to moscow actually exactly not only not only curate yes but you don't notice them because they're the same as us but there are millions of the russians working in russia and there are many there are millions of us various and armenians working and doing business in russia so basically the public opinion has been ours and it is ours right now but it didn't matter so much because the leads basically decided during the last at least 20 years now the elites in kyrgyzstan who can have 2 more school needs in armenia and azerbaijan open up the law school local passion and language has changed just until recently he was a western man you know he praised. modern albright which was your view.

on slide you know you know let me let me go to george area i mean jim and i had lunch yesterday and we were talking about it for our meeting and he is a to be or not to be issue and i think to be the current president he can talk all he wants about best and it's been a wrench has been done but when it comes to an accidental greg there is one place they look to and that way over a century they look ahead yes exactly because all that you'll get from the west is of course encouragement egging you on into a conflict with the sort of less you and him fight but ultimately the united states is not going to go to war and you'll be high german is not going to go to war and you'll have so you're actually leading your country to disaster and just going back to this point that the most make in that article in the new york times which sneered about these leaders who sent their birthday greetings to telephones president putin for his birthday greetings well the fact that so many of the

leaders of the former soviet republics were the ones who had actually telephoned him to wish him the west for his birthday that indicates something it means russia has good relations with almost all of the former republics of the u.s.s.r. and that's that's quite an achievement and goes against the grain of the western media that everybody hates russia and that these countries are right for color revolutions no they actually have good relations with russia you know we could make the case that ukraine after everything since 2040 who which country is ukraine's most important trading partner russia be able to this day not be you know k. so the e.u. they export their ideology and passions but not much more demon last 20 seconds before we go to the break well not only is your playing ground is russia still the biggest trading partner of ukraine but also ukraine was not the poorest. europe

when we stay on course most of all now 18 is the poor very close. to the u.s. estimates were made because of bad ok that's exactly right so remember get it when you go to a great year now that's a great way to get your discussion on some real news day with our.

join me every 1st week on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then.

welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered a bell to remind you we're discussing some real news.

let's go back to george in budapest you know i've had many many conversations over the last few months here and you. sort of formulating an idea that i think really needs exploration and i think we'll only touch on it in this part of the of crossed out here but you said to me not too long ago that there's the war on coal bit which i can live with that i think there's a war on everything now but any kind of dilutes the meaning of it but ok the war on coal bit but it's also it's also a war on civil liberties as a war on populism on the left and the right and i've done a number of programs on crossfire talking about what is this new normal well is the new normal an attack of progressivism left and right george yes i think so. that the $26.00 seniors got kind of years 0 for the global elite we had the brics

that referendum which against all expectations went against the e.u. and then of course we had don't trump election victory which again went against all predictions this game is such a shock build a global elite will tell that they could control the western publics with these they could have elections they could win every election and if those are an election the winter games on they could just have a good again or iran exactly a referendum will have a rerun this was a total shock. at 1st they tried to make some kind of a spin a conspiracy story that oh it was russia and everything that failed up was the no evidence for that so they went cold it came alone they seized on this. and imposed restrictions that had never in the process been imposed when you know there's been viral pandemic sorry there's nothing new about pandemics i mean there's all this humanity itself there's been bad cases of the flu not even without

even talk about the 118 influenza i mean there was the asian flu in the 1960 is the hong kong flu before that there's nothing new about this what is new was extraordinary restrictions i mean shutting down the economy closing down businesses mandating people when i'm often treat one another as if their disease scariest and you have to then wonder whether is this really possible of an onslaught by governments on the public's so that they become frightened of one another and see the all powerful decision making to at least yes yes you know better than we do you are the scientists you are the people with knowledge and brainpower please tell us what we must do you know dream of the interesting thing is and when you look at these some of these restrictions and somebody sent me on facebook yesterday. social distancing marshall all of that so are william and people who are making sure you don't get close to other people here people have no way gypsie i guess what i find

really remarkable if you look at the case of orthodox jews in new york they are rebelling against the state authorities city and state authorities because they're not being allowed to practice their faith which is one of the most important tenets of being an american having citizenship in america the founders took religion very carefully meaning there would be no hindrance of religious observance here but you know there's there's hindrance about going to school there's an entrance. obviously going to work here but if you want to protest a certain kind of protest one that is ideologically in favor that's ok the hypothesis is just unbelievable but. traditional institutions that are being crushed by this and i would say crushing any kind of dissent might mean your go ahead well you know just a very important fact about this called the disaster this is the suspicion against

religious organizations and it's not only inside the united states it's global you know the french newspapers blamed the orthodox on asterisk in kiev which remained loyal to the joint orthodox church of russia and ukraine that they blamed for the spread of course we didn't hear. the same story about of the jews that you just told us well why is it happening because the more than west an ideology is a religion in itself a very destructive one but it has its sins the so-called dissidents the so-called enjoy those you know missionaries which are untouchable and which you can send russia you can send them to kyrgyzstan anywhere right. but the problem with this new religion 1st industriousness itself and a separate region and 2nd and 2 lines of society in standoff bringing people

together as traditional religions do this want it to my society you know those are told not to listen to their mothers and fathers and not to marry you know remain independent 6 or 8 families are not encouraged to be creative these so-called independence is everywhere so this new religion kind of see is of course as a very important and a very comfortable means to promote more to my station i mean just recently how many people were against most i'm swearing traditional whales in public what was a huge problem especially in france and this was about 0.0. 000 percent of the population who wore these traditional veils know they require 1100 percent of the population to hide their face and suddenly it's not a problem for the police it's not a problem for

a new one right so people are voting today not against. just because basically people are not if anything science made equal he is indeed a very dangerous he's there's a lot of evidence about that people are betting against the left who are checked you know how come people are allowed to ride on on subway trains and then feel the trams but they're not allowed to have anything which is not online you know or my meetings are more formal you know this table and you i go gee it likes online meetings because they're all record everything you say that may be used against you so it's also a limitation of freedom. george is the you know every every major religion has scripture written that the scripture of this new religion the demon just described is called the new normal which normal is what we tell you is normal i mean you know orthodox jews can congregate alcoholics anonymous can and they congregate and that

is a very in. that's a health risk that people want to do this don't recognise they have a health issue and they need to be able to commune with other people they're isolated right now that's when you're isolated and you have that kind of problem we don't know what happens here when it's black white matter it's a different age so it's it's the powers that be decide what the new normal is because like you said breaking that interim you can't trust the people they're the last people you can trust go ahead. that's exactly right and let's you know just remind us of how the all for it is respond that in 2011 to the the. the protest against the bailout of the wall street you know who you know we are the 99. sense no tolerance level 0 tolerance for that compare that with how sympathetic the authorities to these black lives massive protests over you know when come a ladder is says yes these protests are going to go on and they should go on and

i'm going to be with them in a whole way so it's very interesting you know why is it that all forest is sanction one protest but you know use all the police powers against another protest well obviously the one that is frightening. the status quo one that is and it's clear the black life matter and this is the sort of a nonsense of us the semi graces and no one knows what he means they pose no threat that's why goldman sachs going to fall to write checks you know 5xw1cw whatever you want is a check or it's just the zealots can support them no problem at all so what you're really saying is how far is this have seized on cobe it to crack down on those. congregations that they don't like a right to point it out yes religion that's out however of black guys now you know you can't get enough of that and i think that's really what you know this new

to normal will be one which you will courage is going to be absolutely terminating what you can do and what you're going to cause this goes into the believe we can survive another time about the internet censorship which is also by the of the kobus censorship you can post anything that might be misleading information a little bit that's of course a preliminary to suck out of information. just to clear by his twitter or facebook even let me ask you this twitter facebook got a nobel peace prize for chemistry or physics or mathematics i mean you know hard stuff ok who's who's to say facebook and twitter know the truth but they claim and you know what they'll inboards they are ok that's part of the new normal demon. well god mentioned very rightly that there are some protests which are total rated by the authorities and some which are strictly condemned using this korean threat as the backup you know it's very easy to predict which ones will be condemned the

ones that do not correspond to the norms and the believe so this you really just call it out of liberalism me this process will be condemned why are yellow vests condemned in france because the european union is supposed to be the head of the paradise you know the european union is the place where this religion is almost official you know why are black wives mad to support them because they're against drum and trump was elected in 2016 against the wishes of this new religion its candidate was hillary clinton he was supposed to be the punching bag for that woman boxer and then suddenly as the punching bag defeated the boxer it was a sacred edge so in the same way you know. you're in this parallel with religions this religion has its dental the devils are the leaders of the countries

that have not submitted to this new religion these devils leaders i've given ice and we remember how it was done with khadafi how it was done with the ocean it's now they do the same with. in point with or been in hungary and great recently just recently they started doing the problem because this religion is universal it's not about the united states dominating other countries it's about this religion dominating everyone else so let me let me get this straight short so you can get an abortion ok. you can go to the liquor store you can create a garden and you can go to a meeting ok i guess this is some poor of utopia chris term. but for us talking to people watching as this is the dystopian it's dystopian and it is very ideologically driven and it doesn't open itself to interrogation 10 seconds go

ahead yes that's exactly right the baucus a is so blatant that now you had the u.s. courts for the 1st time stepping in that was a federal. court in pennsylvania that cracked down on the. government restrictions and now you had the other day at the sequels they're breaking down that they just simply not want the job in iraq run out of time and they're going to try to take over the courts doing ok i want to think like my guest would have as yet and here and must want to rethink our viewers for watching us here r.p.c. next time remember. financial survival guide i don't buy a i'm on it she's. almost. as unless i'm a plane from the future truckers watch kaiser. the world is driven

by. the dares thinks. we dare to ask. just know that the get a list of all the. people one

look at what why did why the fuck. out of the. illegal proving but there are some friends that the us are skills of at the still feel hoping to do something this year. which. they have about as a little simple alan ball and i was with someone of that you know that. a dark industry comes to life in los angeles every night. dozens of women sells their bodies on the streets many of them under age. los angeles police reveal a taste of their daily challenge no if you're going to exploit a child here in los angeles they were going to come as you would see officers going

undercover as 6 workers and customers to fight 6 trade. is your media a reflection of reality. in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe. isolation or community. are you going the right way or are you being led to. direct. what is true what is faith. in the world corrupted you need to. and. join us in the depths. or a maybe in the shallows. as

the ceasefire in. the shelling of flaring up in the disputed region our correspondent reports from the fiercely contested city of. artillery shelling the city right now this is the least safest place of all of the region. is about john says 9 people have been killed and dozens more injured after one of its cities outside the immediate conflict zone came under attack. today killed to get the 2nd day of what could be. corona virus vaccine is poised to complete the.