unlikely allies in the struggle for better black america joins me now from cleveland in ohio pasta thanks so much for coming on it was a lot of people talking about the shadow presidential debate on thursday why do you think trump would want to do a virtual presidential debate with joe biden a month with a big plays right into joe biden hands that there's so much room for malfeasance there's almost a room for a lot of underhanded as it and then i mean you don't know what's going on off camera we don't know if he has a monitor set up in real time with someone typing him responses there's just so much. in a virtual debate that you know you just lose room for a lot of. the lack of a better word when you think back want historic debates you're talking about john f. kennedy and richard nixon back in the 1960 debate and it was the body language which basically won the debate for john have kids and not necessarily the words that came

out of their mouth and so there's a lot more to of debate than just ask and answering questions president trump does that all the time with the media he's been the most transparent president and modernistic and as far as asking questions and giving answers to the media that's something that does but debating face to face is another entirely different thing and joe biden wants to avoid that on this on this next go around seems as if everything they're doing they're doing to try to slant the debate and to joe's favor of you see biden did i should cain read the whole d.n.c. does regardless of evidence otherwise i want to get to this book because in it you detail what may be the 1st ever account of trump's meeting at trump tower for his run against or is considering the run against obama in 2012 just tell me a little bit about about that meeting and and whether he sees himself as john the baptist. no you know the. bat

itself is donald trump answering a call so to speak that is upon his life you know add that's what i took away from that meeting when i 1st met him he said to a group of preachers that when the room he said why do you guys were are pursuing a higher call i was building buildings i think it's time for me to catch up and so you know he considers what he's doing the higher call it in do a favor he didn't do it for money then do it for power he actually has less power now and then he when he was a private citizen and so he did it in answer to a hunger that was gnawing it is our to pursue public service on the highest level as president of the united states and i think it's one of the. now no job he was considering running in 2012 he asked us to pray for him that god gives him the wisdom as to whether to decide to run or not and i didn't say in the book but i thought about it afterwards i believe god spoke to him and said hey donald don't

run a 2012 run in 2016 and i got. that he has less power as president than he was as a private citizen why has he been unable to shake off accusations he's some kind of russian assets even up to the intelligence director john radcliffe in the past few days declassified hillary campaign attempts apparently to stir up scandal linking trump to russia and 2016 the declassified information appears to indicate perhaps that obama was in on this russia conspiracy thing why was trump unable to dealing this russia connection that that is on the media i have to say here in britain that alone in every major country because the american left wing media has become the propaganda arm for the democratic party and it conveniently ignores anything that is positive regarding donald trump and negative regarding the

democratic party it's a travesty of justice it's a shame we forgot the way the media conducts itself here in america and i hope it's not like that and i'll give you an example on 2 fridays ago president trump old out the most comprehensive plan for black america in american history access to $500000000000.00 that's app a trillion dollars access to happen so you dollars over the next 4 years 3000000 new jobs 500000 new black businesses all specifically and exclusively for the black community in america and c.n.n. and that's in d.c. refuels to cover the black community by a large those are the news outlets that. that i would my community watches and so love my people were in the dark about it i had a business of a large reformation church reformation when i told him about it he said i knew nothing about it why don't i know this and i said where are you getting your information from and so once again the media has become the propaganda arm for the

democratic party the liberal left wing media and the right wing media is like a voice crying in the wilderness and others of the american public has been deceived the american public has been kept in the dark so to speak on a number of the positive count i mean mr aris i mean i think anyone supporting when he signed his wouldn't accuse that media being a left wing incidentally and surely and i'm not speaking for those channels that you're referring to but they will have said that 210000 dead because of coronavirus the worst death toll in the world disproportionately affecting people of color is a bigger story than the economic indices you just read out no i don't believe so because they believe those colbert numbers up the books are cooked on those cold numbers dying with cold and dying from cold it 2 entirely different dynamics and if you look over here at the hospital reports of the death before it's anyone does that dies and has called it as being listed as dying from copd and so the

numbers are increased the books are cooked and part of it is because of the funding has received from covert patients and so that's very subjective at best is dubious at best as well well we invite john hopkins is comment i think they will complete their future what you're saying and what they suit it i don't but listen i know lots of people personally that died when they die they didn't die from the cold they died with the cold ok well the authorities and if you notice the c.d.c. will sort out she you know the leading government site is none of them deny the found to be done to find you said you didn't need to wear a mask when that when the very 1st day and he. when he said you did the do it now it's on us and you do need to wear 1st they said it was service transmit now this thing is not service transmitted they tell us to wear gloves now we don't have to wear gloves come on we're still learning about this on a regular basis there's no definitive. evaluation of this disease available yet

we're still finding we're still learning this is going back to one theme in the book the christianity the and it's the base of his support in the vendor do you believe trump believes in the biblical end of the world you mean the book of revelations that's right i believe trump believes the bible as far as trump being a biblical scholar theologian i would put him on that level but i believe that he believes the bible but i believe it believes the bible the same way i believe mike pence believes the bible and those same questions can be asked of any of the other part i don't believe barack obama believed the bible because if he believed the bible are the policies that he he endorsed he would have endorsed i don't believe that joe biden believes the bible because of job i believe the bible joe biden would be promoting abortion on demand and late term awesome birth abortion i don't believe come out here is believe the bible so as far as troubling the bible yes i do believe he believes that then what do you make of the fact that he may have

taken a vaccine donald trump that relied on fetal tissue from aborted foetuses vaccine he said you said man and i'm very aware donald trump took a vaccine. a vaccine back or not i've already said antibody treatment a lot of these treatments involve the use of aborted foetuses we don't know you said we don't know if he did it did you mention in the book that his twitter account was run by the general manager one of his golf clubs. do you know him and obviously that seems to be one of the hallmarks of the presidency this bypassing of the media presumably in the context of what you're saying to me that the media presents a completely traduced version of who don't trump is this twitter account is not run by donald trump runs his own twitter account but he has a dance could be no contributes to his twitter account so when you say run it

you're acting as if his tweets and the ideas in the tweet are not from him and they are dance could be no is and once again he's been with the job administrator for the very beginning his great cause kept out of the president also in the book you refer to michael cohen of course who's now been jailed did you always suspect that michael cohen wouldn't be serving the president as best he might. call was not a part of the campaign michael cohen had a job in the trump organization and so as far as doing his job a chunk of chump organization he whatever his duties and responsibilities were i imagine he did michael coma's never as i stated in the book michael cohen was never a part of the trump campaign he tried to insert himself in it and he was indirectly involved somewhat because of his position and the trouble but as far as having the fiscal position with the campaign in the overhead and of course the most contentious remark as far as media that considers trump to be a racist as you say the trump has done much more for race relations than obama ever

did just tell me a bit more about that contention if you look at the policies of the trump administration from 2017 when he 1st took office 1st of all i believe donald trump under promised an overpowered. on we got in the black a 1000000 but you're talking about criminal justice reform prison reform urban revitalization opportunity zones historic levels of funding for h b c u's lowest level of unemployment in the black community pre-pay endemic the talking about the rollout of the plan a plan that he just did $500000000000.00 access to capital over the next 4 years and we're also talking about some symbolic ceremonial just just doesn't make it martin luther king jr birthplace as a national monument he part of the 1st black heavyweight champion jack johnson possibly he's going to declare june 10th as a national holiday and there are a number of other initiatives that have favorable towards the black community that dispels any notion of racism you can't name one policy initiative in the 8 years

the back brock obama was president that was exclusively geared towards the black community not one do you think he gets that reputation not because he is a racist because he has used race for like troll advantage if we want to bring up that then we have to bring up joe biden's well documented history of racism as a public servant not as a private citizen as a public servant he has a well documented history of racism i mean just recently he's still doing enough just recently said 2 days ago that the reason he was able to make it in the basement of his bunker was because of the black women the stock the shelves at the supermarket he said whatever black people didn't vote for him weren't really black he said the hispanics have a more expanded worldview than black people that we tend to think monolithically he said that the grand cyclops of the ku klux klan robert byrd was his mentor when he eulogizing he opposed busing by saying he did not want his children growing up in

a racial jungle with blacks he orchestrated that 994 crime bill that locked up more black people to any other crime bill in the history of our country and he said that we were predators that needed to be locked up just. in the prior debate kemal i had in the democratic primaries she called joe biden a racists and a sexual predator. and the moderator didn't bring it up in the debate busted out scott thank you after the break we hear from retired u.s. army major richard j. to a trump supporter turned democrat who is edging others who support the president to switch sides just in time for next month's presidential election elizabeth coming over but 2 of going underground.

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a success. because there's. survival. to start. acting. repatriations the rest of 7. delegates guys are. welcome back incumbent u.s. president all trump won the electoral college in 2016 with 304 votes next to hillary clinton's 227 someone who contributed towards trump's win was retired u.s. army major richard o.j.d. but ever since then the former west virginia state senator has been campaigning to turn trump voters into biden voters in time for november's election believing the

trump win in 2016 was a big mistake for the working class he joins me now from logan county in west virginia richard thanks so much for coming on we just spoke to trump ally pastor darrell scott who blesses all trump claimed that trump is the most pro black president you've ever had in your country what do you make of. and that's an absolute joke you know we know donald trump is a racist i think everybody knows don't trump a racist and and it's not hard to say you don't have to do a bunch of research to see that they say he says the things that he does reading books that absolutely show that the guy is absolutely as dirty as it gets that's michael moore and so and presently that's michael cohen is actually i should say that's michael cohen's book and actually in pastor darrell scott memoir he says michael cohen had nothing to do with the president had nothing to do with the campaign and is exaggerating his his alliances with the president i think at

pastor's been eating too much pixie dust. ok but you know perfectly well from the vice presidential debate that that when when harris was confronted by mike pence who said that as attorney general she disproportionately had it at the black community african-american community in california as attorney general her only reply was it's her work as a model of what our nation needs to do and we will be able to do under joe biden presidency what does that mean disproportionately imprison african-americans now i think that i think you know people you've got to talk about look at people's past you know people people as time goes by are sees things differently you know i believe that they realize that they are needs to be a lot of sayings done in this country to be able to address the issues with race i mean it's a shame i would have never started in 2020 we would be looking at

a current it looks more like 955. and nobody. doesn't c.d.'s we say the problem that we have in this country when it comes to race we know that you know african-american man or b. children and alarming rates are moving their hands from the tanda true to the now. and 3 donald trump preys on people is what he does just like he preyed on my people he come down here to west virginia and stuck a coal miner's cap on and acted like he was working and a visible shovel to make these people think that he cared about them he was going to fight for their lives and the truth is we have $7100.00 least less coal jobs now than we did when he took over comes down he tells people he makes promises to people but he'll keep it to save the auto industry and ohio he told them that they better get ready to work their asses off and guess what no change no change he has done nothing for those people just like he has

a nothing for us he can go on and he can talk about being the most most beloved president for the african-americans but nothing has changed you know we're talking about a guy who doesn't have the guests today gone white supremacy in this country and says that their stand people on both sides know that's not our president is an absolute joke and you know it because you're over in england and you guys know exactly what you guys are seeing or because i've got friends that ask me all the town is this for real and sadly it is it isn't everything here there is a certain bias in european countries against a donald trump he would have said that he says that he did bring some jobs to michigan i know you say you a dupe last time in 2016 but now you want people to switch to vote for joe biden who is financing joe biden is way more money when we're talking about the working classes in your country he's funded by hedge fund billionaire james simons of euclidian of euclidian hedge fund post group people could check it on the

website could sequoia capital bain capital and we would i do you want the working classes of the so-called rust belt of the united states to vote for the corporate candidate joe biden well 1st 1st off you know joe biden 9 was not my 1st decision ok but i'll tell you right now he's a hell of a lot better than donald trump but in the face. his you know i supported donald trump because i was a bernie sanders supporter and bernie sanders in my hometown of west so much state of west virginia he won all 55 counties and they still say it hillary clinton and i was absolutely livid at that so i voted for don trump basically out of spite but then a week later i realized it was the worst thing i could have possibly done so i have been going nonstop doing everything my power to expose don't try to tell people about him and how he doesn't care about us you know i got you know money you know if it's a shame we can't overturn citizens united and get big money out of politics because

that's the problem that we have in this country and it's big money going to job bad it's big money go to donald trump we need to we need to next step because that's a problem that we have in america but you know i can tell you i still believe that the you know i believe joe biden is going to help us be able to get our repudiation back across the globe you know we know that donald trump is absolutely embarrassed us and i know that people in other countries are looking at a site now and going are you desperate real you know i think that joe biden will once again allow us to feel like we can you know. fix the friendships that we've had with countries like your country with germany and places like that the donald trump has spoken down to i'm looking forward to some just some sense of normalcy for a change who we know focused on how has the nothing but 3 and a half years of of chaos arca we know from wiki leaks how bernie sanders campaign

was sabotage for becoming democrat presidential candidate 2016 would it make you feel in 2020 to hear any sound is a valid socialist what did it make you feel to hear joe biden say there's not one single syllable i've ever said that could lead you to believe i was a socialist. you know 1st off it. democratic socialism you know democratic socialism will if that's what joe. sanders supports that's where our military comes from that's our public roads it's our public schools that's an occupation but why did you i didn't feel then why did biden feel it necessary to say this. i don't know i don't know why biden felt the way the reason to say that i do believe that steele no matter what i think bad is going to be head and shoulders above i think he's more presidential i think that he knows how to do the job for 8 years he was a vice president i think that he's going to do phenomenal science. for our country

now would have rather solved you know bernie sanders or andrew yeah yeah i would have but baghdad is one that made it through and make no mistake about it i think that he's the only one that we can select right now to be able to get us back to a sense of normalcy in this country you're a national spokesman for no damn left behind tell me about that campaign and how successful or how failing is mean when it comes to targeting the working classes of america who may decide ultimately who will become president in november will we go into the rid rule districts of this country we pick a fight no get left behind and has some amazing candidates that if people take the time to listen to they're going to like what they hear what they see the thing is is that the democratic party looks at these races and automatically says man those areas are too rigid so we don't want to waste time and effort they are well that's where we pick up and we go into those areas and we help these people and the truth

is we know we're not going to win all of the seats that we're going after but we may win a few of these states and i think you know we can show the democratic party that there are people in these red rule districts that need to support if we don't go into the river all districts and pick a fight how can we ever expect these seats to flip from red to blue so we're putting in the groundwork and i'm telling you if you listen to our candidates we've got a harvard grad that also happens to be married to a man who is deployed with a bounty over his head right now that's running in missouri sublethal district her name is lizzie. we have the 1st female female transgender democratic nominee in me a mason running in maryland's 1st district and we have other candidates that are absolutely as equally amazing as intelligent and with vision that you know we believe just serve the opportunity to be able to to take it to the national stage

and that's what we did i know you actually did run for the presidency but in another life it may seem like to you you are with the u.s. air borne as an army major on foreign policy trump has said he wants the troops out of afghanistan by christmas biden as you know full well voted for the iraq war increasing troops to afghanistan bombing syria destroying africa's riches because of a country libya i mean just on foreign policy terms trump by which one is the peace candidate. well you know look i mean we've been at war we and it is what it is i will tell you that i'm excited to hear anybody talk about pulling troops out because these are for every wars that are sinning many many troops into harm's way that when they come home we now have to fix them but make no mistake about it you know i would love to see afghanistan but it's got to be done properly because my

service in afghanistan after serving with the has our people and i will tell you that if we pull out and we don't make sure that there is protections in place to make sure that the czar of people and other people in afghanistan such as women you know are are not going to be absolutely slaughtered by the taliban once we're gone they haven't been then that that's what has to go we can't just say i'm going to pull out by december because that right there is not enough time and finally just on the environmental crisis would where is vital because biden says he supports fracking so does come on harris say she supports fracking he doesn't support the green new deal she was a co-sponsor of the green new deal. basically and i think i mean for the democrats or a little bit is there he is there he is it's just it's just it you know it's not exactly the great new deal i think everybody knows that you know it's time for us to get

away from fossil fuels in the coal industry in the coal fields of west virginia but the truth is this is the day the energy natural gas has overtaken it but now i do know that joe biden has talked about is speaking about putting in charging stations all across the nation hiring you know quite a few jobs to put these in for electric cars that's one of using the fracking energy to do to supply it well i mean if that's how they're getting it i mean at the end of the day i say i don't think anybody really 100 percent thumbs up who wants fracking we know that there's there's earthquakes that are taking place in other states i think that right now what's happening is is there everybody's worried about the job aspect which which amazes me in the in the trips out of the house because i mean you know this dam coronaviruses tanks you know millions of jobs but i still think that you know at the end of the day i think they i think that joe biden and come on harris are going to move towards

a cleaner. united states cleaner energy very briefly if trump wins again are you going to run in 2024. and no no no you know i learned something when i ran for the presidency and i what i learned is that no matter how much support my brother was number one at all 435 congressional races in 2008 say so when i made the decision to run for the presidency you know i had a lot of momentum in terms of people knowing who i was but the thing about it is i don't have the political background and i don't have the financial background i was on morning joe meet the pristine of the union and they not we never want see it presidential candidate richard and the reason why that is because they didn't work somebody like me in there because i'm not i don't fit the mold of the person running for office because you have to normally have political power and you've got to have a bunch of money and i didn't have neither richard ichabod thank you. thank you

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