peter lavelle diplomacy and work an update on the cease fire negotiations in moscow on the issue of the border look at a buck and is the war on cope and also a war on populism on the left and right. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest george some yelling in budapest he's an author and a you tuber at the gaggle and here in moscow we have dmitri bobbitt she is a political analyst and an editor at interest me internet media project right gentlemen crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciate it ok i was going to put it past that george we have a cease fire we heard that there are some violations but at this point as we're speaking right now it is still holding and i've been looking at a lot of the reporting this is only a tiny baby step i mean this issue is not going to be resolved that hasn't been

resolved for 30 years and i'll be really honest with you i don't see a resolution coming into play what is most important and with these negotiations in moscow with the leadership of armenia and azerbaijan is this at least the 1st step of stop the killing where do we stand george go ahead. i agree that that's a very important 1st step violations of cease fire in the media hours after. the announcement of a cease fire that's to be expected on this in any conflict the real question is whether the potus have an interest in to a single cease fire and i think that applies very much to the by john and to it's a chief sponsor turkey because for others by john a ceasefire and the status quo ante isn't really in its interests. turkey has made clear that it will not accept anything short of a complete armenian withdrawal from the areas that it's been occupying since 94

so i did just think that this the ceasefire may not last i mean there's just simply . there's this there's too many vested interests against it and therefore. this this conflict is likely to escalate you know the name is there in the risk of losing base in azerbaijan because this offensive against the crowd of about a buck and then gone anywhere i mean if you will of villages many gave you know just been lost in their lore largely been abandoned for 30 years so i mean who's who where is the risk greatest right now i would think it would be in. well you are right because basically i think when. i said by god decided to respond really violently to what was a rather usual you know small possible bombardment from the armenian side so when i was there but underside of glasgow i think mr reddy hoped that in

a few days at wharton a few weeks armenians would just seed 2 or 3 districts out of 7. that are part of the so-called new car about security as all these are areas not populated by armenians not populated by said by jenna's this is basically a wasteland which is used as a buffer zone between the 2 sites so i think i do you hope in a few days maybe in a few weeks at least part of the ground will be gained that would be there to it but now we see that the whole situation is getting more sudden or send armenians are responding by hitting a c.d.'s deep inside as they are by john so i think no if. i can't get a little ground ok that will be trumpeted as a victory in baku but certainly it would not justify the costs the costs were

enormous you know george i was looking at some of the communication coming out of the foreign ministry in the kremlin this is bare and it was very obvious that it was a very obvious omission and it was i think it is a snub there was no mention the be serious brain the president they're going to be part of this we go shooting process and the reason why it's a glaring omission because the the turkish foreign ministry pointed out the omission in the white angry about. yes there's no question turkey is making. trouble and turkey has no interest in ceasing to make trouble. it wants to make trouble for russia because both mean and azerbaijan are good terms with russia . of a save the military arrangement with amin is more expensive with azerbaijan nonetheless america russia has good relations with both any conflict between on the ng and as

a by the un is a headache for russia and i think this is really the danger of far as russia is concerned that along with belarus with ukraine with georgia there are powers that have a vested interest in causing headaches for russia because this is russia's sphere of influence and if there's a conflict and russia is unable to resolve this conflict then it's a serious problem for them and i think that for the russians is that they really want to settle this soon as possible i'm not a socialist is that's really on the cards you know and human kind of speculating here right now the back that. everyone wasn't involved visually involved in all of this is this it seems to me that how they're based on and kind of showing its hand right now because. it's been a number of years since we've seen a major escalation here the other by john sides. vance that is weaponry in

its military and my sense is the base of this would be a grow up and die and then get a decisive victory that could change the balance of forces that has not come into play and observation can look to moscow to hold another part of the buyer as it were ok and i think that's a possibility here since everyone was obviously very publicly excluded when you think. well i think what gods are saying you can read it in just above all western news purpose right now i mean the most conspicuous was the article in the new york times here which is become and a really bad propaganda rag right now so there's article in the new york times was headlined if you're basically surround sounded by instability pugin along the sort of instability is now surrounded by the article by un parkway an office and

the author writes that a concurrent crisis in belarus central asia and the caucasus region have blindsided the kremlin leaving did believe in it scrambling to shore up russian interests well i'm going to japan nonsense but give your opinion here go around it's nonsense because never in the last 30 years give barcoo her appeal to moscow for help and if you look at the state been from the prez the idea of which game i think yesterday or 2 days ago it was so was it you have towards russia i barely could recognize him he said that russia has our complete trust you know he sent his foreign minister to moscow they're going to be the white knight my interpretation of this is that the regime is not really. into everyone's game absolutely the opposite i think

a lot more can only really expensive big words now they. really get out and now it's been months not. actually and not only in this era by john i mean the corpulent of the west is just saw so blue and by their ideology they always suspect the kremlin of head in the wast of intentions the most you could call intentions and what was going on ok there was this there was this turmoil in belarus never in the. last 30 years did belarus look up to russia so much as it does now you know central question who came to power it was pretty independent and now he's begun russia to help in kyrgyzstan well i mean it's a real disaster one of the reasons was the coffee because 46 percent of our kinda stuff economy is service industry so could it just kill that there was this basically a rebellion in bishkek and now both sides in the can stay in the situation of

complete honesty i'll get up to more school bus i know many members of the group of us community in america and i've been told this is just my own personal experience that many of them tell me that many people in a great extent actually might return to the russian better aeration i will be so so it is true but it is true also of art many of the countries of the middle of it union so 1st public opinion is important and in all of these 3 crisis belarus carra bar kyrgyzstan the people actually do not blame russia or more of the people the view russia as a stabilizing force 100000 of them were going must go down perfectly exactly not only not only curate yes but you don't notice them because they're the same as us but there are millions of the russians working in russia and there are many there are millions over there is and armenians working on doing business in russia so

basically the public opinion has been ours and it is always right now but it didn't matter so much because the leads basically decided during the last at least 20 years now the elites and kyrgyzstan who can have 2 more school needs in armenia and azerbaijan open up the law school local passion and language has changed just until recently he was a western man you know he praised. modern albright which was either what you. on flight you know let me let me go to george area i mean jim and i had lunch yesterday and we were talking about it for our meeting and he is a to be or not to be issue and i think to be the current president he can talk all he wants about best and it's been wrenched it been done but when it comes to an accidental greg there is one place they look to and that way over a century they look ahead yes exactly because all that you'll get from the west is of course encouragement egging you on into

a conflict with the sort of less you and him fight but ultimately the united states is not going to go to war and you'll be high germany is not going to go to war and you'll have so you're actually leading your country to disaster and just going back to this point that. was making that article in the new york times which sneered about these leaders who sent their birthday greetings to telephones president putin for his birthday greetings well the fact that so many of the leaders of the former soviet republics were the ones who had actually telephoned him to wish him the west for his birthday that indicates something it means russia has good relations with almost all of the former republics of the u.s.s.r. and that's that's quite an achievement and goes against the grain of the western media that everybody hates russia and that these countries are right for color revolutions no they actually have good relations with russia. you know we could

make the case that ukraine after everything since 2040 who which country is ukraine's most important trading partner russia be able to this day not be you know k. so the e.u. they export their ideology and pass but not much more demon last 20 seconds before we go to the break well not only is your playing ground is russia still the biggest trading partner of ukraine but also ukraine was not the poorest. well we stay on course most of all now is the poor anything goes. to the u.s. . or it may be because of bad governance that's exactly right remember get it when you go to a rate you're now let's get your discussion on some real news stay with. us

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let's go back to george in budapest you know i've had many many conversations over the last few months here and you. sort of formulating an idea that i think really needs exploration and i think we'll only touch on it in this part of the of crosstalk here but you said to me not too long ago that their war on coal bit which i can live with that i think there's a war on everything now but i think i did lose the meaning of it but ok the war on coal bit but it's also it's also a war on civil liberties it's a war on populism on the left and the right and i've done a number of programs on cross talk talking about. what is this new normal is the new normal an attack of progressive isn't left and right george yes i think so. that the 2016 is guys kind of 0 for the global elite. we had the bricks that referendum which against all expectations went against the e.u.

and then of course we had done all trumps election victory which again went against all predictions this game is such a shock to the global elites who felt that they could control the western publics with these they could have elections they could win every election if those are an election when the game's on they could just have you run exactly a referendum will have a rerun this was a total shock. at 1st they tried to make some kind of a spin a conspiracy story that oh it was russia and everything that failed up was a no evidence for that so they went gove it came alone they seized on this and imposed restrictions that had never in the press been imposed when you know they've been viral pandemics i mean there's nothing new about pandemics i mean there's all this humanity itself there's been bad cases of the flu not even without even talk about the 118 influenza i mean it was the asian flu in the 1960 is the hong kong flu before that there's nothing new about this what is new was

extraordinary restrictions i mean shutting down the economy closing down businesses mandating people women mohsen to treat one another as if the disease scariest and you have to then wonder whether is this really pos of an onslaught by governments on the public's so that they become frightened to one another and see the all powerful decision making to elites yes yes you know better than we do you are the scientists you are the people with knowledge and brainpower police that allow us what we must do you know do you mean the interesting thing is and when you look at the. some of these restrictions and somebody sent me on facebook yesterday. social distancing martial law of that so her orwellian damaged people are making sure you don't get close to other people here people have no wage and see i guess what i find really remarkable if you look at the case of orthodox jews in new york i mean they are rebelling against the state authorities city and state authorities because

they're not being allowed to practice their base which is one of the most important tenets of being an american or having citizenship in america if the founders took religion very carefully meaning there would be no hindrance over religious observance here but you know there's you know there's temperance about going to school there's an immigrant's. obviously going to work here but if you want to protest a certain kind of protest one that is ideologically in favor that's ok the hub spot prosy and that is just and believe people but it's traditional institutions that are being crushed by theirs and i would say crushing any kind of dissent might in here go ahead well you know just a very important fact on the score the disaster this is the suspicion against religious organizations that it's not only inside the united states it's global you

know and the french newspapers blamed often bucks on the asterisk in kiev which remained loyal to their joint orthodox church of russia and ukraine that they blamed for the spread of course meaning. the same story about of the jews that you just told us well why is it happening because of the more than west than i do or which is a religion in itself a very destructor won by the present saints the so-called dissidents the so-called enjoy yourself missionaries which are untouchable and we should consent to her. so you can set them to kill just anywhere right. but the problem with this new religion 1st industriousness itself and a separate region and 2nd to isis instead of bringing people together as traditional religions do this want to my society you know those are told not to listen to their mothers and fathers and not to marry you know remain independent 6

or 8 families are not encouraged to be created this so called independence is everywhere so this new religion kind of c. is of course a very important and a very comfortable means to promote more to my station i mean just recently how many people were against mausam swearing traditional whales in public was was a huge problem especially in france and this was about 0.000 percent of the population who wore these traditional veils know their require turn over 100 percent of the population to hide their faces and suddenly it's not a problem for the police it's not a problem for a new one right so people are going to be dating not against. just because very quickly people are not given anything science maybe coheed is indeed

a very dangerous disease there is a lot of evidence about that people have been engaged the level who are checked you know how come people are allowed to ride on on subway trains and then feel the trams but they're not allowed to have a meeting which is not online you know or my meetings are more formal you know this terrible new i go gee it likes online meetings because they're all record everything you say that may be used against you so it's also a limitation of freedom. george is the you know every every major religion has scripture. that the scripture of this new religion the demon just is called the new normal which normal is what we tell you is normal i mean you know orthodox jews can congregate alcoholics anonymous can and they congregate and that is a very and it's a that's a health risk to people who want to do this don't recognize they have a health issue and they need to be able to commune with other people they're

isolated right now that's when you're isolated and you have that kind of problem we don't know what happens here when it's black white matter it's a different age so it's it's the powers that be decide what the new normal is because like you said break that interim you can't trust the people they're the last people you can trust go ahead. that's exactly right and that lets you know just remind us of how the all for it is respond that in 2011 to the the the the protest against the bailout of the wall street you know who you know we are the 99 percent no tolerance levels 0 tolerance for that compare that with how sympathetic deal for it is to these black lives massive protests over you know when comma latter is says yes these protests are going to go on and they should go on and i'm going to be with them in a whole way so it's very interesting you know why is it that all forest is saying

one protest but you know use all the police powers against another protest well obviously the one that is frightening. the status quo one that is and it's clear that black lives matter and there is a sort of a nonsense about the semi graces and no one knows what he means they pose no threat that's why goldman sachs going to fall to write checks you know 5xw1cw whatever you want is a check or it's just the zealots can support them no problem at all so what you're really saying is how far is this have seized on cobe it to crack down on those. congregations that they don't like a demon rightly pointed out religion that's out however black guys now you know you can't get enough of that and i think that's really why you know this new to normal will be one which real courage is going to be absolutely exterminating what you can do and what you can do and cause this goes into the because of weather

another time about the internet censorship which is also by of the covert censorship you can post anything that might be misleading information cloven that's of course a preliminary to suckle of information so just to clarify it has twitter or facebook email me and twitter facebook at a nobel peace prize for chemistry or physics or mathematics i mean you know hard stuff ok who's who's to say facebook and twitter know the truth but they claim and you know what they'll i'm bored there. that the new normal demon. gods mentioned very rightly that there are some protests which are totally dead by the sound which are pretty condemned using this korean threat as the backup you know it's very easy to predict which ones will be condemned the ones that do not correspond to the norms and the being so this you really just call it our canoe

burleson nice process will be condemned why are yellow vests condemned in france because the european union is supposed to be the head of the paradise you know the european union is the place where this religion is almost official you know why are black wives mad to support them because they're against drum and trump was elected in 2016 against the wishes of this new religion its candidate was hillary clinton he was supposed to be the punching bag for that woman boxer and then suddenly as the punching bag defeated the walks. it was a sacred so in the same way you know you're in this parallel with religions these religion presents dentals the day also the leaders of the countries that have not submitted to this new religion these devils leaders i deem a heist and we remember how it was done with qadhafi how it was don the way of the

horse and it's not what they do the same way or the a cutting skin point on with or been in congress right recently just recently they started doing a pub crawl because this religion is universal it's not about the united states dominate in other countries it's about this religion dominating everyone else so let me let me get this straight george so you can get an abortion ok. you can go to a liquor store but you can't create a government ok and you can't go to an a.a. meeting ok i guess this is some poor utopia preserve but per us talking and people watching as this is the dystopian it's dystopian and it is very ideologically driven and it doesn't open itself to interrogation 10 seconds after though is that exactly right the park recy is so blatant that now you had the us courts for the 1st time stepping in there was

a federal. court in pennsylvania that cracked down on the arbitrary government restrictions and now you have the other day at d.c. court also breaking down that they just simply not say well they're on the job here and run out of time and they're going to try to take over the courts doing ok i want to think my guest could have as yet and here a muslim i would think our viewers are watching us here at the see you next time remember. israel media a reflection of reality. in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe. isolation full community. are you going the right way or are you being

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