and we're going to update on the cease fire negotiations in moscow on the issue of the border and is a war on coal but also populism on the left and right. breadline stories this hour the capital of. joyce. but other parts of the disputed region are shelling correspondent reports from the town of how groups. shelling the city right now this is the least safest place of all of the region. 9 people have been killed dozens more injured after one of its. immediate conflict zone came under attack armenia also claims its territories have been targeted also coming up on the program. they're

going to get the 2nd. rushes coronavirus vaccine is poised to complete the final stage of tests with ortiz. among the volunteers. around the clock across the world this is our team international from the team myself you know neal hello and welcome to the program. the fragile cease fire between armenia and azerbaijan is now into a 3rd day but on monday morning raid sirens were heard again in the capital of nagorno-karabakh. pictures show the aftermath of a 2 week bombardment then in the early hours of. greed to a pause in the fighting with russia's mediation that was to allow for an exchange

of prisoners and war did however over the weekend both sides accused each other violating the truce. of the disputed region has seen some of the worst fighting since the conflict actually began on sunday despite the suppose a truce the city of had was shelled our correspondent reports from there are no. right now we're getting closer to the town of detroit it's on the southern front and it is probably the heaviest contested region in all of nagorno-karabakh i think is even before the ceasefire was announced the president i was there by general homily it had said that the city defenses had fallen and that well as of that moment the town was under the as there by johnny control of course there media and forces that denied all of that saying that they're still in control of the city so even despite the ceasefire both sides are wrestling heavily for the control of this town.

so we're inside the city of adroit this part of town at least this part of town is under the control of the armenian forces of the forces of nagorno-karabakh artillery his shelling the city right now this is the least safest place of all of the region. because we. were being told to go to get down into bomb shelter this is where we're going to stay for now and wait out wait out the shelling. so essentially they're telling us that only one person at a time can't move. ok that was it that was very brief that was very quick but it's simply way way too dangerous for us to stay here for long so we're getting the hell out of. there's no

ceasefire there's no ceasefire here has already told you it's being shelled basically both sides are wrestling. for the control of this town it's a matter of it's a matter of integrity for both we could hear military jets flying above us and bombing the mountains next to the city of patrols so there's that for the ceasefire for now i guess down of reporting from the. city is just a little bit of the conflict stretches back more than 3 decades although the region is legally part of it's populated mainly by ethnic armenians it broke away back in the 1900 war one of the largest cities it was also bombarded in the early hours of sunday but 9 people were killed more than 30 injured we spoke to a journalist in a pusher. the news of. ganja caused fury and outrage is reaction among azerbaijanis has been deceptive consecutive missile attack on the

2nd biggest city of the country with the population of half a 1000000 but this time 9 people were killed and more than 30 people were injured including the reaction among others by jonas varied it from cautious to radical the officials of the beneficial is already paid to. see the head of the foreign affairs department. called the attack act of genocide by the president of the country. said it was the brutal violation of geneva convention and crime and he warned i mean years to give them. the answer. and these are some of the later pictures from ganja showing the aftermath of a bombing the armenian president has denied any involvement saying it was about broke the ceasefire our men spoke exclusively to r.t.

we will be airing the full interview and choose there for now here's a preview. so are there violations on the part of armenia and if there are why is it happening that there are violations and as far as i understand it one violet the other one nasser's and then it all goes back it goes around back to the initial place who was the 1st point number one in the case of. the bombing or shelling. journos of a bug john cleary information from my government from ministry of defense and for foreign minister and for a minister i have spoken about that already that it's definitely not not there i mean it has filled it that's number one number 2 when you are speaking about breaking the cease fire it it was unfortunately immediately after the cease fire was announced 12th log step on i.q. of the capital c.t.o.

of the. republic was shelved and i mean i'm speaking about civilian shellings as world 3rd we should not. forget. in this account the real fact who started this stage of war it was the us there is side clearly the. people of nagorno-karabakh a republic of arts. so violations are there there are fortunate and i think all parties have to put a lot of efforts in order to stop it and of course it's very very important to have make an american is about verification of who is breaking the ceasefire i mean these are many ways of doing that internationally using technology but that should be put in place because until the cease fire is not established fully the humanitarian side of these cease fire will not be.

neither of sides will be able to use that loss of brain john has denied violating the cease fire we heard from eleanor hall you had a former us abrasion a diplomat who is currently chairman of the me gun jobby find ation he said his country's merely claiming back its own land. i don't think that the you'll find any citizen among the un member states which will not support it has to get its own territorial integrity we have to again i think that this is he a key issue here we have to understand that the other by john has been admitted to the u n and the specific visiting it at that at times and we don't want any other contest on it it's we have it shall be made much clear that we had marked cleaning in it and if you know the public media and the republic of i mean it is the perfectly aware don't list what we are claiming who are claiming the implementation of the un security council resolution it's very much clear so i think that there are there are messages quite sometime scotland's going the wrong direction as it was on my

jumps 5 and on the coffee about it which is the case as in my job is claiming back to control what legally belongs street and we have to make it clear and it has been clear for the last 30 years that we where we don't target any meaningful coalition i mean eons have tradition and leave on of them by genocidal and we are looking for a peaceful coexistence of the 2 communities in the world incredible that was at the position of azerbaijan the lawsuit years and we have a teacher rita destroyed many times and we have done practical steps that direction to show our citizens definitely would believe that i did mean in and out of my genesis and leave to get. the ins of u.k. citizens are about to be placed under partial lockdown and under a covert containment plan as on unveiled by the prime minister the rules applied to invent the un vary by region liverpool will face the toughest shot done with all pubs and bars closed on mixing between old bars johnson claims the new measures are

actually a simplification of the previous system. they must act to save lives boucle approach has inevitably produced different sets of rules in different parts of the country that are now complex to understand and to enforce just as we simplified our national rooms with the rule of 6 we will now simplify and standardise our local news by introducing a 3 tiered system of local pervade alert levels include i set it medium high and very broad those in government themselves have been courts are either not understanding the rules or even breaking them and so he's trying to introduce a small according to him simplified version which include social tier system which would see anything from the current rules that are in place no more than 6 people being allowed to gather at any one time pubs and restaurants being closed at 10 pm all the way through to those types of hospitality ventures being closed all

together now as part of that's of course there have been complaints that these measures especially the tough ones could spell the death knell for a number of industries in the economy and so the government announcing that they will be supporting people's wages and asked not as much as they were before previously the so-called photosystem would have seen up to 80 percent of people's wages or up to 2 and a half 1000 pounds paid for by the government if people weren't able to work now that's been reduced to 67 percent or around $2100.00 pounds and so the government tried to support people but there are some who said that these measures will impact in particular the north of england and some officials including the mayor of manchester which is in the north of england and the coming out and saying that enough is enough i will not anymore perhaps with the situation where they impose things on the north of england that will cause real damage to people's lives now it's not just the politicians who are unhappy either there are many amongst the

public who say that in addition to the kind of pressures that it is. putting on people's mental health on people social stability it's also causing great damage to people's economies in particular small business owners several businesses that probably wasn't good to people our way. that we'll never know when they're when we can say god if they take their lives the government's decisions now that will determine whether a wave of unemployment turns into a surge in poverty and hardship now we are seeing a number of legal challenges being posted up against the government's measures a group of nightclub and publishing is in the north west of england saying that they're going to take legal action and demand the government show scientific truth for some of the measures that they are implementing while a group of m.p.'s have said that they will be taking legal action as a result of some of the contracts that have been given out up to 3000000000 pounds worth of contracts that were awarded some say with buyers to those with ties to the

government and so the government they're being accused of perhaps nepotism and corruption not just in how they spend their money but of course also being accused of not following the science when it comes to how they implement these rules a situation than you can and in particular here in russia meanwhile the daily code infection while it set a grim new record on sunday it's past the 13000 mark at that's 2000 more than join the pick of the 1st wave back in may but there's also cause for optimism russia's covert vaccine acetic complete final stage trials they spend like the job has already been registered in russia was developed by scientists at moscow's got many a institute 55000 volunteers are taking part in the 3rd phase of testing among them artes marie if and. moscow clinic number 68 in the city center nothing special except this is where i received the rushes vaccine against call that 19

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minutes past the hour welcome back government security services are once again urging tech giants to give them back door entry into people's online communications that request comes from the intelligence alliance known as the 5 big claim encryption on services such as what's up make it harder for police to catch criminals while encryption is vital and previous in cyber security must be protected that should not come at the expense of wholly precluding law enforcement and the tech industry itself from being able to act against the most serious illegal content and activity online without statement came from top justice officials in the 5 countries which are a strictly account of the new zealand the united kingdom and the united states it

was also signed by the way by india. and it comes after facebook announced plans to introduce end to end encrypted on all its services to boost sea levels the company already encrypted messages sent on what's up but the 5 buys alliance is the technology could endanger public safety they highlighted the spread of terrorist propaganda child pornography as a particular concern saying for him should work with intelligence services to intercept such activity. well let's welcome on to the program now of peter kirk i'm a former u.k. police officer yeah you're a cohen an internet law expert and author of the book the net is closing birth of the police welcome to you both peter can we kick off with you do you think people have the right to keep their communications private and of the reach of government intelligence services. yes they they do. but we didn't reason.

it's not an absolute right that people should have no states. no sane state woods allow citizens absolute total privacy with no means of getting behind that available to them. there's some technical issues around this particularly but when you think about over things the states intervenes in people's privacy in lots of ways issuing a search warrant to search the house is. authorizing surveillance to follow them around or whatever it might be and we need to find the same way of the same need to achieve the same thing with encrypted digital communications this isn't new you are similar requests are made by the 5 guys last year 2018 as well the tech giants said no but are they not under some obligation to comply somewhat we're talking about

very serious issues here like peter was saying terrorism 1st and foremost. i think this is now a yellow card that the governments are handing to the facebook in particular to twitter. there is a real power struggle here and the polish struggle is between the people represented by the government and the parliaments in the government and they take giants in the question is who is in control who has the final word who is going to final say. and it seems now they have the democratic governments now to get it with india and japan some 7 of the greatest democracy in the world are now saying to facebook look you know this is really your final opportunity here to comply because we are the 7 and we did we are in charge here and as peter said. the governments are in charge and the government should

have a right to go in and increase their look into all sorts of things even the reason real. disrespect to the crime has been committed but this is really interesting particularly with facebook because facebook is like a family restaurant so it's it is a family product it is something with a lot of children there in mom and dad and grandpa and grandma and and and be joe at everybody's there in the suddenly what facebook is doing it is introducing all those very evaleen groups and. is this really suitable for the type of company it is because what seems to be the case is now once facebook has gathered all those members followers user which way you want to call them now he's taking them to a darker place and i think this is where the governments are concerned the most

peter we are talking about commercial entities here or there weren't we with shareholders and the bottom line what's are is owned by facebook it's encrypted but surely at facebook for instance were to give spy agencies access people would just switch to another up like telegram. to a certain extent yes book there are only so many apps and communication methods available at any particular time and there's nothing to say the governments wouldn't approach them and make similar demands of them in fact they aren't out at leewood as you years says this is become a power struggle between these commercial agencies and by the by i think people need to be more worried about what these commercial companies are doing with their data and what they're harvesting from their accounts rather more than what the state is harvested for the vast vast majority of people the state really couldn't

care less about them there is no way the state is going to be looking at them but these commercial concerns they harvest loads and loads of stuff and do all sorts of things with it as we've heard about in relation to elections and suchlike so you know maybe the destruction we've been distracted from what we should really be worrying about here. but you know. i sometimes ask myself why what are people communicating on facebook that merits this sort of level of you know old spice or encryption there's been there i don't think anything i've ever seen anywhere mary is that yeah you're at it yet you say yeah i know you want to get in there and i just want to put in a point as well the u.k. home secretary pretty battell is claiming facebook saying christian changes will help terrorists they'll help paedophiles is there any other reasons why the government might want door access. look you know governments always seek

power. to do just one of those things there's always. this power struggle between him and go home and in in. this case we have these social media companies where it could be a local bridge and their reality. these that government isn't really the truth of them arteries the government eason really interested in what my 15 year old son is discussing with his sister with his girlfriend over these. their government isn't really interested in death and the problem again with facebook is that these these people they they are not asking for this level of encryption anyone who wants to use a higher level of encryption can go into his niche. and the question is why does facebook insist they want to develop something that on the face of it is completely

the opposite of all they be doing here that's an interesting point isn't it it's like putting a lid on one box and then jack jumps out of some or else because 5 the statement focuses heavily on the risk of child pornography but surely such people who want that can find other ways to communicate. it indeed they can. all all those all as the what the real main concern of the law enforcement agencies and security agencies around the world is that by making this available i mean what sounds bad enough but making this available to facebook or other mass communication methods is it just means that there's now a huge degree of difficulty for law enforcement with far more minor things not just terrorism and child pornography where maybe the huge amounts of time effort and money spent trying to get round the problems where people are going christian is

merited it wouldn't be merited for lots of the little things that would frankly become pretty impossible right rises and for instance investigations frequently rely on data from facebook they would become almost impossible you couldn't marry that level of investment in time and effort money for something of that scale yeah you're the point is often raised if a user has nothing to hide then why should they be afraid of government snooping. look this is what democracy is all about right and i think the a.b.a. is that it is incumbent upon upon the citizen to prove that the years she's no guilty is ridiculous so so we enjoy the freedoms and we have a government that their job is to protect us now the idea that just because we have nothing to protect we need to walk naked and expose all the secrets to the entire

will these are realistic really. the question is what facebook has got to hide not toward young users old farmer leo grow on the ground but got to do what is facebook trying to idolise facebook doing this all or at this particular time. exactly what are they all say why are they doing this why are they doing it. we've got about a minute left i want to get your final thoughts peter just 20 seconds the use or. why are they doing this now war was brought on this necessity i'm certainly not aware of facebook users jumping up and down saying they want to sing christian. campaigners and there's some sort of fundamentalists that would like everywhere if they can get a book i think this is just put in a degree of difficulty for lower enforcement that just simply we can do without. i don't understand what i doing. i feel slightly up to mistake

because what we're seeing now and there's been a rebellion among some of facebook's own sure old is a few slightly to mystic that we are moving a step closer to bringing things to 2 to normality where governments are in good troll but with the governments of able to protect the citizens in a where companies such as facebook and google and all the other ones they can do what they doing best is create the community that will help make money for the shell this but not the expense of innocent people was the decision to run the cations peter kirk and former u.k. police officer your colleague internet law expert thank you both for your time. and . there's a lot for this news hour but i do recommend sticking around as more great programs get their start in moments live from moscow this is art international.

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