they were going to come out. to fight trade. struggling to hold on to its ceasefire the conflict between armenia and azerbaijan sees only sparing moments of shelling attacks continue to hit areas in and around. i mean he is accused of a bombing in azerbaijan a city outside the immediate conflict zone leaving 9 dead and dozens injured r.t. exclusively interviews in the armenian president. bush. who started the war. clearly. seen as poised to complete the final stage of our correspondent is among the

volunteers taking part. in the british prime minister rolls out a complex new set of rules to counter a. partial lockdown in the north of england but there is growing public frustration over the government's handling of the crisis. and for more on those stories you can head over to our team dot com we've got more there as well for you my colleague neil harvey he'll be here in about an hour's time with a full of news until then international. louis unwelcoming things are considered. and works in an update on the ceasefire.

negotiations in moscow on the issue of the border look at a buck and is the war on cope and also a war on populism on the left and right. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest george some yelling and budapest he's an author and a you tuber at the gaggle and here in moscow we have dmitri bobbitt she is a political analyst and an editor at interest me internet media project right gentlemen cross-talk rosen effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciate it ok i was going to put it past the george we have a cease fire we heard that there are some violations but at this point as we're speaking right now it is still holding and i've been looking at a lot of the reporting this is only a tiny baby step i mean this issue is not going to be resolved that hasn't been resolved for 30 years and i'll be really honest with you i don't see

a resolution coming into play what is most important and what these negotiations in moscow with the leadership of armenia and azerbaijan is this at least the 1st step of stop the killing where do we stand george go ahead. i agree that that's a very important 1st step violations of cease fire in the media hours after. the announcement of a cease fire that's to be expected on this in any conflict the real question is whether the potus have an interest in to a single cease fire and i think that applies very much to the by john and to it's a chief sponsor turkey because for others by john a ceasefire and the status quo ante isn't really in its interests. turkey has made clear that it will not accept anything short of a complete armenian withdrawal from the areas that it's been occupying since 94

so i did just think that this the ceasefire may not last i mean there's just simply . this this too many vested interests against it and therefore. this this conflict is likely to escalate you know the name is there is the risk of losing face in azerbaijan because this offensive against the heart of the heart about guns and gun anywhere i mean if you will of villages been engaged of you know just been lost in there are largely been abandoned for 30 years so i mean who's who where is the risk greatest right now i would think it would be in. oh you are right because basically i think when. i survived decided to respond really violently to what was a rather usual you know small possible bombardment from the armenian side so when i was there but underside of glasgow i think mr reddy hoped that in

a few days at wharton a few weeks armenians would just seed 2 or 3 districts out of 7. that are part of the so-called new car about security as all these are areas not populated by armenians not populated by said by generous this is basically a wasteland which is used as a buffer zone between the 2 sites so i think i do you hope in a few days maybe in a few weeks at least part of the ground will be gained would be there to it but now we see that the whole situation is getting more sudden war send armenians are responding by hitting a city is deep inside as they are by john so i think no if it. gets a little ground ok that will be compassed at a civic to remember cool but certainly it would not justify the costs the costs

were enormous you know george i was looking at some of the communication coming out of the foreign ministry in the kremlin on this affair and it was very obvious to me that it was a very obvious omission and it was i think it is a snub there was no mention the be serious brain the president they're going to be part of this big oshie aging process and big reason why it's a glaring omission because the the turkish foreign ministry pointed out the omission it went angry about. yes there's no question turkey is making. trouble and turkey has no interest in ceasing to make trouble. it wants to make trouble for russia because both mean and azerbaijan are good terms with russia . you know of a save the military arrangement with amin is more expensive with azerbaijan the us america russia has good relations with both any conflict between on the ng and as

a by the un is a headache for russia and i think this is really the danger of far as russia is concerned the along with belarus with ukraine with georgia there are a power was that have a vested interest in causing headaches for russia because this is russia's sphere of influence and if there's a conflict and russia is unable to resolve this conflict then it's a serious problem for them and i think that for the russians is that they really want to settle this soon as possible i'm not a socialist is that's really on the cards you know and human kind of speculating here right now look back that everyone wasn't involved visually involved in all of this is this it seems to me that how they're based on is kind of showing its hand right now because. it's been a number of years since we've seen a major escalation here the other by john sides. vance that is weaponry in

its military and my sense is the base of this would be a grow up and die and they would get a decisive victory that could change the balance of forces that has not come into play and observation can look to moscow to hold the nuts out of the fire as it were ok and i think that's a possibility here since everyone was obviously very publicly excluded what do you think. well i think there were boards are fair you can read it in just about all western news but the straight now i mean the most conspicuous was the article in the new york times here which is become and a really bad propaganda rag right now so there's article in the new york times was headlined if you're basically surround sounded by instability putin along the sort of instability is now surrounded by the article by an parkway an office and the author writes that current crisis in belarus central asia and the caucasus

region have blindsided the kremlin leaving did believe in it scrambling to shore up russian interests. well i'm going to just patently nonsense but give your opinion here go around it's nonsense because never in the last 30 years give barcoo or her appeal to moscow for help and if you look at the state been for or present idea of which game i think yesterday or 2 days ago it was so poor that you have towards russia i barely could recognize him he said that russia has our complete trust you know he sent his foreign minister to moscow that's going to be the white mind my interpretation of this is that the regime is not really. into everyone's game absolutely the opposite i think a lot more calmly really expensive big words now they. really get out and now

it's been months not. exactly and not only in this area by john i mean the corpulent of the west is just so so blue and by their ideology they always suspect the kremlin of head in the wast of intentions the most you could call intentions and what was going on ok there was this there was this turmoil in belarus never in the last 30 years did belarus look after russia so much as it does now you know since we came to power he was pretty independent now he's begun russia to help in kyrgyzstan well i mean it's a real disaster one of the reasons was the coffee because 46 percent of kinda stuff economy is service industry so he just killed it there was this basically a rebellion in bishkek and now both sides in the consider the situation of complete honesty i would get up to more school being one of us i know many members of the

kurdish community in america and i've been told this is just my personal experience there are many of them. i mean that many people in kurdistan actually would like we turn to the russian better aeration i will this is so. it is true but it is true also apart many of the countries of the middle of it union so 1st public opinion is important and you know these 3 crisis belarus carra bar can just keep people actually does not blame russia or more of the people the view russia as the stabilizing force 100 of thousands of them work in moscow actually exactly not only not only curious yes but you don't notice them because they're the same as us but there are millions of the russians working in russia and there are many there are millions of other various and other mediums working on doing business in russia so basically the public opinion has been our senate is ours right now but it didn't

matter so i was because the needs basically decided during the last at least 20 years now they need some kyrgyzstan who can have more school they needs in armenia and azerbaijan who can help the law school local passion and language has changed just until recently he was a west a band you know he praised. modern albright which just eat your chick on flight you know me let me let me go to georgia or meet him and i had lunch yesterday and we were talking about if there are merely is a to be or not to be issue and i think to be the current president he can talk all he wants about the best friendship in time but when it comes to an action adventure greg there is one place they look to and that way over a century they look ahead yes exactly because all that you'll get from the west is of course encouragement and egging you on into a conflict with the sort of let's you and him fight but ultimately the united

states is not going to go to war on your behalf germany is not going to go to war and you'll be in iraq so you're actually. leading country to disaster and just going back to the sort of white that. was making that article in the new york times which sneered about these leaders who sent their birthday greetings or telephoned president putin for the birthday greetings well the fact that so many of the leaders of the former soviet republics were the ones who actually telephoned him to wish him where his birthday that i'm to get something it means russia has good relations with one was all of the former republics of the u.s.s.r. and that's that's quite an achievement there and goes against the grain of the western media that kind of everybody hates russia and that these countries are ripe for color revolutions no they are very good relations with russia and that you know we could make the case that ukraine everything's and 2014 who which country is

ukraine's most important trading partner russia be able to this day not the e.u. ok so the e.u. they exports their ideology and grants but not much more demon last 20 seconds before we go to the break well not only is your playing ground is russia steal the biggest failure of ukraine but also ukraine was not the poorest country of europe when we stay on course most bald now 18 is the poorer because of the u.s. estimates were because of bad no credence that's what exactly right is that a member get it when you go to a rate you're not that's not right with your discussion and some real news stay with. us.

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king for the rest of 70. delegates that prize a record. welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm about to remind you we're discussing some real news. let's go back to george in budapest you know i've had many many conversations over the last few months here and you. sort of formulating an idea that i think really needs exploration and i think we'll only touch on it in this part of the of crossed out here but you said to me not too long ago that the the war on coal bit which i can live with that i think there's a war on everything now but any kind of dilutes the meaning of it but ok the war on coal bit but it's also it's also a war on civil liberties it's

a war on populism on the left and the right and i've done a number of programs on crossfire talking about what is this new normal well is the new normal an attack on progressivism left and right george yes i think so. that the $26.00 seniors got kind of years 0 for the global elite we had the brics that referendum which against all expectations went against the e.u. and then of course we had don't trump election victory which again went against all predictions this came as such a shock build a global elite will tell that they could control the western publics with these they could have elections they could win every election and if those are an election the winter games on they could just have a good again or iran exactly a referendum will have a rerun this was a total shock. at 1st they tried to make some kind of a spin a conspiracy story that oh it was russia and everything that failed up was the no

evidence for that so they went cold it came alone they seized on this. and imposed restrictions that had never in the process been imposed when you know there's been viral pandemics i mean there's nothing new about pandemics i mean there's all this humanity itself there's been bass cases of the flu not even without even talk about the 1918 influenza i mean it was the asian flu in the 1960 is the hong kong flu before that there's nothing new about this what is new was extraordinary restrictions i mean shutting down the economy closing down businesses mandating people when i'm often treat one another as if the disease scariest and you have to then wonder whether is this really possible of an onslaught by governments on the public's so that they become frightened of one another and see the all powerful decision making to elites yes yes you know better than we do you

are the scientists you are the people with knowledge and brainpower please tell us what we must do you know to me the interesting thing is and when you look at these some of these restrictions and somebody sent me on facebook yesterday. social distancing marshal all of that so far are willing and i mean people are making sure you don't get close to other people here people have no way agency i guess what i find really remarkable if you look at the case of orthodox jews in new york i mean they are rebelling against the state authorities and city and state authorities because they're not being allowed to practice their faith which is one of the most important tenets of being an american or having citizenship in america the founders took religion very carefully meaning there would be no hindrance of religious observance here but you know there's there's hindrance about going to school there's an entrance. obviously going to work here but if you want to protest a certain kind of protest one that is ideologically in favor that's ok the

hypothesis is just unbelievable but. traditional institutions that are being crushed by this and i would say crushing any kind of dissent might in your go ahead well you know just a very important fact about this called the disaster this is the suspicion against religious organizations and it's not only inside the united states it's global you know the french newspapers blamed the orthodox on asterisk in kiev which remains loyal to the joint orthodox church of russia and ukraine that they blame them for the spread of corn even if. the same story about of the jews that you just told us well why is it happening because the more than western ideology is a religion in itself a very destructive one but it has its since the so-called dissidents the so-called

enjoy all those you know missionaries which are untouchable and which you can send russia you can send them to kyrgyzstan anywhere right. but the problem with this new religion 1st industriousness itself and a separate region and 2nd and 2 lines of society instead of bringing people together as traditional religions do this one echo my society you know those are told not to listen to their mothers and fathers and not to marry you know remain independent 6 or 8 families are not encouraged to be created this so called independence is everywhere so this new religion kind of c. is of course a very important and a very comfortable means to promote more to my station i mean just recently how many people were against most i'm swearing traditional whales in

public what was a huge problem especially in france and this was about 0.0. 000 percent of the population who wore these traditional veils know they require 1100 percent of the population to hide their face and suddenly it's not a problem for the police it's not a problem for a new one right so people are voting today not against. just because basically people are not given anything science made equal is indeed a very dangerous disease there is a lot of evidence about that people who didn't engage the level who are checked you know how come people are allowed to ride on on subway trains and then feel the trams but they're not allowed to have a need to which is not on line you know or play meetings are more formal you know this table and you i go gee it likes online meetings because they're all record everything you say that may be used against you so it's also

a limitation of freedom. that georgia says you know every every major religion has scripture but you know the scripture of this new religion the demon just described is called the new normal which normal is what we tell you is normal i mean you know orthodox jews can congregate alcoholics anonymous can and they congregate and that is a very and it's a that's a health risk to people who want to do this don't recognise they have been health issue and they need to be able to commune with other people they're isolated right now that's when you're isolated and you have that kind of problem we don't know what happens here when i'm it's black white matter it's a different age so it's it's the powers that be decide what the new normal is because like you said break that interim you can't trust the people they're the last people you can trust go ahead. that's exactly right and let's you know just remind us of how the all for it is respond that in 2011 to

the the the the protest against the bailout of the wall street you know we are the 99. percent no tolerance levels 0 tolerance for that. compare that with how sympathetic the authorities to these black lives massive protests over you know when come a ladder is says yes these protests are going to go on and they should go on and i'm going to be with them in a whole way so it's very interesting you know why is it that all forest is sanction one protest but you know use all the police powers against a lot of protests well obviously the one that is frightening. the status quo one that is and it's clear the black life matter and this is the sort of a nonsense about the semi graces and which no one knows what he means they pose no threat that's why goldman sachs going to fall to write checks you know 5xw1cw whatever you want is a check or just the zealots can support them no problem at all so what you're

really saying is how far is this have seized on cobe it to crack down on those. congregations that they don't like and right to point that out religion that's out however of black guys now you know you can't get enough of that and i think that's really what you know this new to normal will be one which the old guard is going to be absolutely exterminating what you can do and what you're going to cause this goes into the believe we can survive another time about the internet censorship which is also by the of the covert censorship you can post anything that might be misleading information a little bit that's of course a preliminary to something of information. just to clear by his twitter or facebook the millennium twitter facebook got a nobel peace prize for chemistry or physics or mathematics i mean you know hard stuff ok who's who's to say facebook and twitter know the truth but they claim and

you know what they'll inboard there and. that's part of the new normal demon. gaunt you mentioned very rightly that there are some protests which are total rated by the authorities and sound which are pretty condemned using this korean threat as the backup you know it's very easy to predict which ones will be condemned the ones that do not correspond to the norms and the believe so this you really just call it our liberalism nice process will be condemned why are yellow vest condemned in france because the european union is supposed to be the head of the paradise you know the european union is the place where this religion is almost official you know why our black wives may have to support them because they're against drum and trump was elected in 2016 against the wishes of this new religion its candidate

was hillary clinton he was supposed to be the punching bag for that woman boxer and then suddenly as the punching bag defeated the boxer it was a sacred edge so in the same way. continuing this parallel with religions this religion has its dental the details are the leaders of the countries that have not submitted to this new religion these devils leaders are demonized and we remember how it was done with khadafi how it was done with the ocean it's now they do the same with the. important and with all been in hungary and great recently just recently they started doing the problem because this religion is universal it's not about the united states dominating other countries it's about this religion dominating everyone else so let me let me get this straight george so you can get an abortion ok. you can go to the liquor store because you can

create a garden and you can go to a meeting ok i guess this is some poor of utopia chris term. but for us talking and people watching is this is the dystopian it's dystopian and it is very ideologically driven and it doesn't open itself to interrogation 10 seconds go ahead yes that's exactly right the baucus a is so blatant that now you had the u.s. courts for the 1st time stepping in that was a federal. court in pennsylvania that cracked down on the. government restrictions and now you have the other day at the sequels they're breaking down that they just simply not want the job in iraq run out of time and they're going to try to take over the courts doing ok i want to think like my guest would have as yet and here and must want to rethink our viewers for watching us here r.p.c. next time remember. the

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