russia's foreign minister sergey lavrov hits back at the european threats of sanctions over the no valley case saying the hostile language coming from the e.u. is making it impossible to maintain relations laws of the was. the question is not just with business as usual as possible with any business with the european union. and the viability of the ceasefire between armenia and azerbaijan looking ever greater downtime it claims are repeated violations by both sides r.t. reports from the devastated capital of the disputed karabakh region. before the wall street used to be bustling with neighbors visit each other mothers would read bedtime stories to their children well now it's almost completely abandoned. as

a by john alleges armenian forces have bombed its territories outside the main conflict zone something that i found denies we hear from as if you are resorting to taking shelter in the space. we do in the home of the are many answer shelling constantly they're shelling us now with different. one we can go i shall file and my upstairs neighbor was completely burned down. because the world health organization is directed to just countries not to the so you heard em unity in the approach dangerous and. how do we get do we get the through a bit see. through and through pictures a lot of the information that's coming from governments around the world health organizations and agencies are really confusing for most people we don't really know.

i will welcome to you watching r.t. international with me nicky aaron. now the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov has given a live interview to russian media heads including artie's editor in chief margarita simonyan he fielded questions on a number of topics including the in a good i care about conflict turkey's involvement in that and russia's strange relations with the e.u. going so far as to question whether it was possible to do business with the bloc given what he called its condescending attitude towards russia artie's taylor brings us the highlights. we had a very lengthy and really comprehensive conversation between foreign minister sergei lavrov and editors in chief of a number of media organizations that was so much to impact that such an array of topics but one that was given considerable attention was russia's increasingly difficult relationship with the european union now love prof notes that of course

the 2 have mutual interests especially economic ones let's think of course just off the north stream to a gas pipeline but that all of this was made very difficult by what the fire of foreign minister described as a condescending attitude from the blog and this constant to mons being put on moscow this is what he said about the impact of that after 2 years that there was no go through approvals. the question is not just whether business as usual is possible but with the any business with the european union is possible a tool the e.u. behaves arrogantly towards us and looks condescendingly down at russia demanding answers from us for all the crimes it imagines we have committed i think we are under no obligation to respond to that. 7 also add to that a versa phobic minority within the european union was only father undermining the relationship now of course this all comes against the backdrop of wosm diplomatic ties between moscow and brussels as

a result of the alleged poisoning of russian opposition figure i'll explain a follow me now one of the significant part of what lavrov said talked about double standards and he said that often the puts much more pressure on moscow than it would on itself and he said especially when it comes to the idea of interference in foreign affairs as this is something that people few very subjectively but i wouldn't go to. in 2017 during the election in france marine le pen's a legitimate politician came to moscow to meet with president putin then french foreign minister publicly claimed that this was an attempt at foreign interference in the electoral process in france. now look at who macro holding meetings with said manatee cannot. no one pays any attention to the fact that this could also be considered as foreign interference in belorussian affairs for those such a lot for laid out his few on what the end goal was from these verbal assaults from

on fact competition for calls for sanctions and for causing tellme oil russia's borders. the west will always try to hold us back to undermine our political and economic capacities this is all part of the same old game they want to throw russia of violence not just with direct assaults like dirty competition and illegitimate sanctions creating instability on our borders. now one out of russia's key relationships on the international stage that was touched upon was of course with washington and quite frankly he said with less than a month to go to the election whoever wins in november whether it's trump or biden probably very little would change he reiterated that all moscow has ever wanted was good cooperation but i'm an equal footing and that sometimes washington's foreign policy made that very difficult other topics such as the protests in batteries or indeed a peaceful resolution to the conflict in the corner karabakh were also discussed quite extensively but certainly the lion's share from today's conversation was

dedicated to the current status of russia's relationship with key international players and the future of it the message today seemed very uncompromising things cannot continue as they are business cannot go on as usual whether that serves as a trigger for more compromise or want to stand who have to be seen. for august told is that despite the e.u. is tough and he must go talk good times are still in the blocks interest. i think it will last for some time and then of course the dialogue will continue to measure the most important measure that germany and europe could take would be to stop the . pipeline between russia and germany north stream 2 would have caused the german stock what to do that because that would get them and do it up very badly we need russian gas and so they don't put them on the sanction list so the sanctions

are not really sanctions since it's you know wagging the finger it's really not up to standard where europe should be as as an international power in talking with russia which is another you know power in the world we have a new wave of russian propaganda as well of anti chinese propaganda coming from the u.s. there is a net group of n.g.o.s of a politically trained politicians and of a population that is uninformed of russia that it's very easy to make such a anti-rational copy russia is not very smart in using soft power so we don't have enough pro russian engineers they don't have that. european russian cultural exchange. it would be very helpful if russia could try to be a little bit have a little bit more p.r. that makes it also. and easier for us. to push the other side like.

a ceasefire agreed between armenia and azerbaijan sun today is were politically being violated with cum but activity yet again isolating of the disputed enclave of new corner karabakh the conflicts flared up over 2 weeks ago but has roots going back 3 decades with on and off bouts a fine saying the contested region is mostly inhabited by ethnic armenians but is legally part of answer by john a correspondent don of reports from his capital. before the war this street used to be bustling with life neighbors would come visit each other mothers would read bedtime stories to their children well now it's almost completely abandoned after and as a by johnny airstrike basically there's a huge apartment building here which is no more there are no windows it has partially collapsed it's simply unsafe to live here here people as they ran to safety they abandoned their belongings like children's bicycles they simply had no

time to pack everything and i have to admit that since the truce the city of stop on it the capital of nagorno-karabakh has it more or less easy been bodman do still happen but they are move rather than they used to be and they are almost entirely almost completely limited to nighttime it's more or less the same of it towns of nagorno-karabakh like the towns of martini and shushi in fact thing is similar pictures similar very very similar devastation can also be seen from a 0 by john its 2nd largest city of ganja came under shelling just a couple of days ago.

and it would be wrong to say that the fighting has ceased elsewhere too as we're filming this there's a faint but a very distinctive sound of shelling coming from over the mountains to the south from here that is where the town of adroit is which is viewed as a gateway into nagorno-karabakh so it is a very heavily contested area the fighting is also fierce in the north is. seems. a trying to get a firm grip on some key strategic places and heights before real peace negotiations begin as both militaries are fighting for diplomatic leverage. reporting from the. belgian cellist has performed at a heavily damaged cathedral in karabakh the musician has armenian roots and played a piece by an armenian composer the cathedral in the city of shushan was shelled

a week ago. that it's regions were being shelled by armenian forces and both nations denied violating the cease fire agreement the video you're seeing right now is from the city of turtle which according to you has been shelled several times since the conflict escalated as a result people have taken shelter in their basements here's what some of them had to say. well during the home of the or me and search shelling constantly they're shelling us now with different weapons with missiles bombs tanks rocket launchers the use it all if it had one week ago i shall file and my upstairs need was hung it was completely burned down it was impossible to take anything from the house our

house is also seriously damaged doors windows even the walls everything became useless in general we cannot sleep when they stop shelling for one hour an hour and a half we can close our eyes and map then you sleep and wake up and you sleep and you wake up over and over again. the director of the world health organization has urged countries not to pursue a herd immunity strategy against the corona virus he said deliberately allowing the virus to spread among populations that is dangerous and ethical. herd immunity as i too have by protecting people from a virus not by exposing them to it. never in the history of probably called has heard immunity been used as a strategy for responding to an outbreak a little more a pandemic it's scientifically. problematic some scientists have

argued that covert 1000 should be allowed to circulate freely to allow populations to build up a natural resistance to the virus the idea gain some traction early on of the pandemic sweeden de facto pursuit herd immunity or the u.k. initially considered it as an option early and my colleague you know neil discussed the issue with a panel of experts. herd immunity is it really such a bad idea i think it is really a bad idea one of the primary reason is that we don't really know a lot about this virus immunity against 4 lives it's not long lasting the mexico we can expect is that we year so this means that we have to go through this process over and probably will be very costly and probably optical that gets the basic idea that we that we hoping to achieve some level of immunity within the population indeed the herd level of immunity is just how do we get the do we get the through a vaccine or do we get the true through natural infection and what's going to be what's going to cause least to us society's overall the w.h.o.

it hasn't been perhaps as clear as it could have been particularly this week it also said that luck. are bad are they contradicting themselves how do you see this this advice a lot of the information that's coming from governments and from world health organizations and agencies are are really confusing for most people if a lockdown is happening or not if it's a good thing or not and now about issues of herd immunity and so it's coming down to who is communicating the right message and what is the role of of the individual trying to protect their family do they think that it's a good idea if somebody gets chicken pox or they don't have it later in life do they get coated now and that's a really dangerous position to be putting individuals sent increasingly people are looking at the example of sweden stockholm hasn't officially adopted a herd immunity strategy but that has been the result essentially in practice another dealing death rail it's almost 0 how they got it right through one way or

another well it includes people they have been claiming that there is no restrictions or backed level of the law that other countries have adopted but the have had all those control years that ought to quietly mind the spread of infection on number of people. yeah there are there were pictures weren't there of people in restaurants and cafes when essentially the rest of europe wasn't doing that they where in sweden oh yeah absolutely i think sweden is certainly of valuable abstain just off the front of me i think it is a lot of your culture to move forward because we don't really know what's going to happen tomorrow in this we do sports factor so although certainly the swedish perspective is a very good very able to compare between but i think it is too early to you nicole that they have. adopted the right approach as the w.h.o. has pointed out lock downs are incredibly damaging each other ways and we and one governments are struggling with these balancing the damage from lock downs with the with the damage from not look down and they can't win whichever decision they make

their prices to be paid and it's extremely difficult to know also that action is the right one and we probably only know in retrospect government account to everything if people i suppose are aware of the risk should they be allowed to go on to expose themselves to potential infection and take their chances and perhaps get that immunity level well the real issue is this inequality lockdowns are showing in the choices that people have to make you know person who has to put food on the table leg like all of us. may have to leave the house to to do that so we have to be concerned about not just emotional wellbeing but the economic well being of the educational wellbeing and so those are the risks that people are are also balancing out. on the west the 2nd time around is that the experience of the fast to us patient kind of bound to have pain already infected with hiv 19 roylance coming up after this break.

as the election approaches we feel. very simple. to most potential voters describe themselves as independent not affiliated with the political party on top of this poll holders for more choices institute party system limiting. democracy. seemed wrong. to shape our day. and in. the trail.

part of. common ground. thank you very. much.

welcome back the 1st case of covert reinfection has been confirmed in the u.s. according to a study published by the lancet medical journal the patient's symptoms were far more severe the 2nd time around a 25 year old man from nevada who has that new recorded immune disorder 1st tested positive in april he later recovered with 2 negative tests but in june developed severe symptoms and again tested positive is the 5th proven case of reinfection registered worldwide in the netherlands the 1st death after reinfection was confirmed on choose day by the national institute for public health long pandora the lead author of the study says people should not assume they're safe after recovering from coated. scientific data that we have from this case and other cases would indicate that if somebody has had hope in 1000 we just don't know whether that person can be reinfected again it's possible that they could be reinfected

again but it's also possible that some people are immune in fact it could be that the vast majority of people are immune and it could be something else that could be our immune system gives us a resistance that makes the 2nd case of a lesser but asymptomatic action despite a confirmed cases of reinfection some people seem to think they're immune among them donald trump who has now recovered off the couch in kind of it and to this month the us president hasn't even promised to support says that he'll very much forget all about social distancing with them. now they say i'm amused i can feel i feel so powerful i thought it was good to see everyone. have august the guys and the beautiful women and everybody just give you a big fat is. on mark penn's ari the lead author of the study again say populations can only be protected by

a vaccine our only real hope of achieving herd immunity comes from that seems that backs and ology and this finding does not speak to vaccines mediated appear to be people that have been infected can't make the assumption that there are a mere because there are now been several cases that show that it isn't true because you can be reinfected you really have to be treated as if you were never injected and that's not only to protect you but to protect others. well the prospects of reinfection make the need for a coronavirus vaccine all the more tense national governments and big pharma overing to get the 1st job to market the people with health the pay is not to be the only motivation as artie's might have explained. things will never go back to the way they were too many people have died too many people have lost jobs and enterprises livelihoods the damage has been too great but we can still hope for

some kind of normality the only way we will get completely back to normal is by having not maybe not the 1st generation vaccines button eventually a vaccine that is super effective that is the best case scenario the virus goes away and we all live happily ever after for now though that supplied dream judge for yourself the 2nd wave is here new universally accepted treatment still no consensus on herd immunity versus social distancing people can't even agree where the mosques work the strategy weld wide seems to be to cross our fingers and hope for the best. the vaccine represents a more important factor than the election result for the path of equities well of course it is promises and cabaye in speeches and fiery rhetoric on killing to save lives or reopen businesses the world economy it's all about the vaccine listen to

them in the states the election isn't about making america better it's about returning life to what it was i want to discuss the historic progress we're making to deliver a safe and effective vaccine in record if the doctors tell us that we should take it i'll be the 1st in line to take it absolutely but if donald trump tells us i said to him that we've taken i'm not taking it doesn't vaccines in human trials globally 100 more in the works this isn't so much a race is a good that the science is so complex you can't predict what will work and what won't until you tried a new matter how smart thorough or diligent you are luck might just sink you at astra zeneca head pas all of that study is that it as it investigates this one event in the u.k. johnson and johnson's had to put its crucial late stage testing inhalants on hold due to an unexplained illness in a study participant

a johnson and johnson is positive its coronavirus vaccine trial over an unexplained illness drug maker astra zeneca is hoping its phase 3 trial of a possible co in $1000.00 vaccine after one participant came down with an unexplained illness you understand now the stakes year elections go to me it's unimaginable fortunes to be made and millions of lives to be saved but how also matches trump doesn't win from a chinese developed vaccine the american or european pharmaceuticals they will make billions if it's russia's vaccine that works better so you do what humanity has done since time immemorial you spike the competition. trip them you malign them and you libel them this is much like the cold war space race but it's a vaccine race in fact russia is calling those that seen sputnik 5 but be skeptical clinical trials were short they were excel aerated the speed of his developments is

being questions proof of its effectiveness has not been presented a vaccine that has not been trying to a vaccine that has not been tested outside of russia america's top researchers say russia's cutting corners to develop its coronavirus vaccine u.s. regulators are insistent that we know corners cut when it comes to testing and for many t.j. that is the key difference between what america is doing and what the russians have just announced will need to be very practical and sobs this rhetoric of trying to each other be seen as black it's very unhealthy it's going to have to go and very unproductive we all remember when the pandemic began european nations snatching supplies mosques and ventilators from each other the u.s. trying to. buyout a vaccine developers among the european allies in desperate times it's each to themselves and with the stakes these high no one wants to share the glory or the money more i guess dia of. stumble high school students in moscow are

switching to remote learning until november it comes as covert infection saw in the russian capital moscow has seen a steady rise in its coronavirus caseload since september with the daily infection rate now edging ever closer to 5000 remote learning won't be extended to primary schools as younger children are less susceptible goes massey's the new measure will help contain the spread of the violence. that's joining us here on r.t. international we hope you're having a great day wherever you are we're back at the top of the hour with what i think. the world is driven by shaped by one person of those great.

thinks. we dare to ask. elizabeth. illinois to sell just law about the bill in the style of i'll just. keep on going to one mccain i wonder why it was you know a little out of the elite hopefully but they were your are also friends so that the us are still so but the soul hoping to do something this year.

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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle as the election approaches we feel it's necessary to ask a very simple though important question why do most potential voters describe themselves as independent or not affiliated with a political party on top of this poll after poll revealed voters want more choices is the 2 party system limiting a more robust democracy. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest will pierce in washington and he is a democratic strategist and in fort lauderdale we're joined by john karr dello he is a t.v. host as well as a conservative political strategist are joining cross talk rules and in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to well in washington. a recent gallup poll tells

a lot of lot about disaffection many of potential voters have and looking at this election and parties here 57 percent believe that there should be more choices that there should be a 3rd party now all 3 of us know a 3rd party has been bandied about a lot and actually has made a difference in some campaigns in the past but there seems to be no movement in that direction as a matter of fact there are plenty of reports that the democrats who are. challenging. green party candidates from running in certain states and things like this but the people want this will how do you counter that i mean is the 2 party system working if 57 percent of potential voters don't affiliate with either party i just think it's a reflection off freespire in united states are all those already back in revenue some do one thing i just want to say real quick those that. in america we do and in a sense have internal.