dark industry comes to life in los angeles every night. dozens of women sells the bodies on the street many of them under-age. los angeles police reveal a taste of their daily challenge if you're going to exploit a child here in los angeles they were going to come out as a officers going undercover as 6 workers and customers to fight the 6 trades. hello and welcome across town for all things are considered i'm peter lavelle as the election approaches we feel it's necessary to ask a very simple though important question why do most potential voters describe

themselves as independent or not affiliated with a political party on top of this whole after poll revealed voters want more choices is the 2 party system limiting a more robust democracy. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest will piers in washington he is a democratic strategist and in fort lauderdale we're joined by john karr dello he is a t.v. host as well as a conservative political strategist are joining crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to well in washington. a recent gallup poll tells a lot of lot about disaffection many of potential voters have. been looking at this election and part. here 57 percent believe that there should be more choices that

there should be a 3rd party now all 3 of us know 3rd party has been bandied about a lot and actually has made a difference in some campaigns in the past but there seems to be no movement in that direction as a matter of fact there are plenty of reports that the democrats who are challenging . the green party candidates from running in certain states and things like this but the people want this will how do you counter that i mean is the 2 party system working if 57 percent of potential voters don't affiliate with either party i just think it's a reflection off freespire in united states are all those already back in revenue some do one thing i just want to say real quick those. in america we do and in a sense have in turn own parties on look at the democratic party overall we have to progressive bring in and you have some people of color to original side of the democratic party and on

a republican side as well especially where from trumka coming out in 2016 you seen the regional side of the republican party and now you see a new side a democrat a republican party who are all ok well i mean i mean let's look at that that's an interesting argument but even when the is the 2 parties a lot of people feel disaffected ok i'll give you i'm a perfect example ok i see myself as a conservative but i am a noninterventionist so there's no place for me in the republican party if there's a john mccain. lindsey graham or marco rubio i think you know what i have no ability with those people whatsoever so you know i mean that's why you know there will be chants of the to the in the to the g.o.p. i mean you see what i'm getting here ok i mean the parties are very monolithic they can what they claim to stand which i don't think they do but that's that and that disaffected people go ahead well look i agree with you wholeheartedly and then we'll to an extent as well there's faction in within the party but i agree more with your point that the parties are a monolith. because at the end of the day no matter how radical a o.c.

or should a plate is on the left door or what a freedom fighter a jim jordan or matt gates was a friend of mine is on the right they still have to caucus with the establishment when the end of the day as he's going to vote the way nancy pelosi tells her to vote and the members on the right to republican party are going to caucus with mccarthy and the establishment of the party but there's one reason we don't have a true 3rd party in this country and it's money simple as that money to major parties control all the money and it's very difficult you're talking about name recognition brand id name recognition and of the individual candidates in this hypothetical 3rd party we're talking tens if not hundreds of billions of required dollars over not years but decades to make a 3rd party viable i think we'll get there but i doubt they're going to get there any time since you know i think we'll go ahead and jump in well that's what i have a degree of john like look at this press primer all you know might bloomberg one of

the most wealthiest americans you know if you try to get em and you try to you know he's not at the end of the day he's not in service man democrat and he's not and he's not a progressive you haven't gotten here yet he's no way i'm doing as i say it takes time as much as money i'm with you will we agree on this even with his $56000000000.00 it still would have taken decades mike bloomberg to morrow said i'm stuck in the bloomberg party and i'm putting $25000000000.00 toward it it would still take a bow decade to make that party viable i think you and i are in agreement just saying the same thing and 2 different. david will but then it's a donor issue because i mean if you look at where the donors but there lenny there's the being in both sides of the body ok i mean again in this contest rules being the be the space of what can be obsolete in force because when i look at you know some of the real conservatives in the republican party. that they're swayed is not. nearly as much as i think it should be my criticism of the

republican party that it's there's a small number of libertarians that dictate too much so much policy that most people don't see what don't agree with i mean you look at the majority harry and issues i mean it's very much with the libertarians and i think trump has made a huge mistake in his presidency listening to those people and they're not and then on the left here i mean i'm a conservative but in 2016 there were 2 candidates i followed trump and bernie sanders when bernie got burned again by the same kind of machine politics because it's all about money and i think that that hinders the democratic experience and it does affect you bill to get involved in politics to take really young people i think we're going to rue the day by shutting them out of the process here will agree agree and disagree with me i disagree if you like we can 2016 so work on bernie sanders abstemious it was $27.00 and like you know he got

a lot of donations truck the whole entire country over all from people who are who are average you know blue collar workers she got that many to count but didn't like that at in a day 2 it's also inside the party overall so we could look at $26.00 seem to had they have a subset rule such as debates caucuses and in the primaries overall so it's that it is money but it's also this absolute rule over all that like hope that hinders part of her or her but is really very green on that and you know i mean bernie was is it was consistently shut out you know in this election cycle he seemed to kind of buy into the establishment they were nice to him they were friendly with them they gave them a committee assignments you know he they brought him in and you know that's bernie's president's decision but a lot of people. progressives are still very disappointed john you know it seems to me and a watching like nancy pelosi she has more bend him for progressive than he has for any republican yeah look i mean nancy pelosi. elizabeth warren kemal harris joe

biden they're all wall street hacks at the end of the day you touched on an important point right i don't care who you are you're a major corporation you know your small business that's growing and now starting to hire 10200 employees you bet old horses and i've done it when i was on the corporate side of the what you have to do it because you don't want to be regulated you don't want to you know want to have regulation retribution by the side to which you didn't donate but to will's point i agree with well again here is that the establishment has a lot to do with this and both parties for the simple reason that you need to be establishment infrastructure to win right now you're saying donald trump gain a lot of ground here in florida we're seeing some new numbers out of ohio out of texas minnesota and one of the reasons that's happening if not the reason is that the republican party in the last month has really got it together and they are knocking doors like crazy last thursday in the state of florida alone republican party $36000.00 on behalf of donald trump and republicans and that kind of

grassroots politicking is what wins elections and to will's point you can't have that infrastructure unless the establishment behind you so if you go too far in one direction and palosi mccarthy urana mcdaniel a what's his name doug torres on at the d.n.c. if they start polling that support in order in the state parties to pull that grassroots support you can't win so the establishment in addition of money does control a lot of what's going to continue to happen in the elections dammit and you know he's a big this is going to cross bob he keep agreement each other i know i don't wish to go but i do. know what i don't want and what we're doing up on. will i mean again i mean i want to keep pressing the point here because i think a lot of people in both parties feel disaffected because in the donor is basically driving the agenda here and that again will use the example myself that's ok you know i'm disaffected by the republican party because i am not intervention that's why i took interest in donald trump in the 1st place in 2000. and i think

a lot of other people did with the same reason but at the end of the day the party controls that you know i mean it seems to me you know people say that trump is revolutionized republican party you know the republican party's names donald trump that's my opinion particularly in 4 i'm clueless here so will again i mean will there be any kind of progressive voices a light waves because it seems to me leave a plate lip service to the rhetoric but i don't see it and i see just this continuation of a new liberal model which is disaffected more in more people ok and it has very little to do with the the will of the people as the will of the people that have money they can make decisions again the donor class is all important so let you know we'll be progress and then it you know in the republicans like we see more conservatives instead of libertarians will you can answer that the democrats so this is the doing over all the way because i'm so every 2 every time we have a presidential election year we see 1617 sometimes even 20 cameras and each side

running and some people are like oh gosh why is this happening i believe that's that's good overall because what happens is it helps shift overall nominee on each side of the party so when biden to some round when you have everyone in the mom running on the democratic side that helps shift joe biden over to the left 4 years ago when donna truck ran when it was the same thing as well shifted party over all but one thing to really crucible like a real house i'm seeing with both sides about to go is that while a lot of people are left out of the system overall is because of the system does not engage and so less so if you look an average voter average voter if they do not vote in a few elections they get left off at the target overall because a campaign to say wow i'm going to turn out someone who doesn't vote you keep doing over and over it or it isn't it isn't that a vicious circle that's a big business circle because overall look at the trade overall right now one of my clients when we were doing target back in a primary. try to poll after americans who had

a high propensity of voting and to detroit in a detroit market overall it was less than 20 percent overall when you look at different cities overall in the city and in a lot of sides to say wow why go after americans not because you do not talk why do you have done for because you do not target him why do you disagree because you don't target him so i'm really proud of myself and my endo we were the organization called vote america owed is passed we can we send 20000000 text messages to voters and we had to register to vote you friends well to people who are not targeted by the campaigns it doesn't matter if to vote for donald trump or joe biden we just said listen you have to vote so for 2 years 4 years that or i'm just can't reach out you can are going to take your message of heart well that's such a good point you know john you know the roach ad that was working bernie sanders i mean i i'm sas needed by his campaign strategy and reaching out to latino is because in the game the more he reached out in texas and in florida it gave latino the choice i mean they're saying this is what girlie say and and so the process

that is speaking to them and they might say but i'm more conservative but even he even tried to buttonhole them for the democrats actually have a number sation with them and bring them into the process the latino vote is going to be absolutely crucial in biden in this election and i'm really glad that will pointed out start talking to him ok that oh yeah go ahead finish the republican party's been terrible at a gauge but they've got now better at it right and i you guys are right well i'm trying to pick up ground with with african-americans for the simple reason that now even he to use this term black voters is bones americans who get up and go to work every day to feed their kids who happen to be african-american or hispanic they don't identify with these black wives matter lunatics breaking store windows trying to kill cops they don't identify with this maybe never set it up again i don't know heart rate little heart breaks and legs and remember that apartment new when it's on the political campaign in the united states 2020. november.

welcome to grandstand where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're talking about political and party diversity in america. ok let's go back to you in for a lot of them so we had to go hard break go ahead and finish your point what i was saying is that african-american normal americans happen to be black americans who get up and go to work and worry about what everybody worries about feeding their families buying a bigger house in a better neighborhood to get their kids to better school they don't identify with black lives matter rioting and breaking windows and talking about killing cops can identify with that and they don't want to be associated with it that's why i think you're saying in some cases 19 percent black support for donald trump which is just staggering and it's devastating in the democratic party down in terms picking up hispanic voters because i go to the forums. down here in south florida he speaks to

hispanic voters not about racial identity politics but about how to build your business how to build wealth out to buy a better piece of property those are the messages that resonate and thankfully the democratic party is still preaching racial identity politics using that monolithic strategy that all black or all hispanic voters need to be dependent on government to succeed well blacks and hispanics are ok and no we don't it's interesting ronald reagan of famous lee said is that latinos are not our natural republicans they just don't know it ok's right you get we'll let me go back to you but i mean ok there's been too much agreement on this particular thing i do have to disagree john i have to fire it up but you know i want to know why people don't vote ok i mean i have lived up i lived in communist eastern europe in the 1980 s. and i know a lot of people that emigrated and for them having the right to vote to make their own decision was so very important to them and when they became citizens but the majority of voters in america potential voters don't joke why i think it's over all

it's a system in united states that's when it let's go back in history jim crow gerrymandering all new things i was told your block is over all so now you just have a whole entire history in families of saying why am i going to vote because my foot's going to matter the other thing as well in a lot of other countries they have a national holiday in order to show our people vote you try being in a single mother like you know working on minimum wage and same to employ hey i need to go vote that means are going to be you going to be you know i can have a job but i mean today and so one thing i'm for like i believe a really strong united states we do have to make voting a national holiday as well and a thing to do is we have to make voting more easier for people when the actually came out of it as well is that c. vote by mail is actually the ability to are allowed to vote by mail or absentee for as well and i got to totally totally disagree that we saw a rapid floor i would rally it and then you give me let me give you the numbers let me give you the numbers 1st and then. i'll get into it ok thank you we'll go on to

say exactly where i wanted to say way you did it ok in the same. gallup polling that i mentioned at the beginning of the program here is this is truly astounding to me the most astounding piece of information in the polling numbers on the issue of voter fraud ok or voter vote integrity in 2726 prison as the end of the potential voters had doubts about the integrity of the ballot counting. now and 20 twentieth's 53 percent of people in doubt the integrity of the election go ahead john cantwell because there seemed ballots come to their home with their address for people that don't exist at that address we're seeing foreign nationals being sent mail and ballots i was down here in fort lauderdale at ground 0 literally at the supervisor of elections office in 2016 i had affidavit from volunteers where they were watching republican votes be thrown in the garbage and transcribed to democrat votes behind

a locked door with a little window we just saw a report this you morning breaking out of baltimore where volunteers and nursing homes are assisting elderly with their ballots by circle a day all the way down ballot this is rampant for fraud where same postal workers throw away ballots and by the way i want to add one thing how out of touch is the democratic party that be brought back they resurrected newman from seinfeld to justify mel in voting to promote male and voting no women there was an episode where he held 5 months of mail in his apartment because he didn't want to deliver it he was too lazy it was the old joke they don't wasn't me on the route because the mail was getting delivered i mean we know that mail in fraud is real the democrats have been telling the so it's a nonsense it's conspiracy theory but now we're seeing it people are being indicted they're being prosecuted here in florida 2 supervisor elections removed by the governor broward and palm beach county blue counties removed by the. gov with

overwhelming probable cause one of them lost her appeal in court on this to get her job back to get a benefits reinstated because the mountains of evidence that they were committing fraud were overwhelming we're seeing it around the country and it is unique to the democrats and americans know it's not oh a well we'll look we'll give me as i will if it is as gallup is telling us if if the 3 percent believe there and then there's that going to be a lot of transparency in counting the vote then the outcome will be contested it will be contested not just in the courts and i'm really worried about that go ahead so let's talk about security when i was a veteran i'm about to myself when i deployed overseas when i was in afghanistan on a photo i was able to vote for obama in my focus counted but look at who also votes right now donald trump the own president cedes he vote by absentee ballot ballot and is so secure that unless i'm $26.00 and we had a presidential election there were more cases of beer attacks in the united states

. that were probably there's an important distinction here and well thank you very much your service i know you're deployed saturday thanks for that but let me say that it's important distinction and absentee ballot is very different than mailing voting and it's very important that we define that for the viewers and absentee ballot is when john cordura or will pierce calls their supervisor election of the secretary of state or transmits an e-mail or and says i want to a ballot here is where i live it's consistent with my voter registration send it to me whether i'm working out of state or 'd deployed like like you are well that's very different than indiscriminate mail and where the state just mails a bunch of ballots out to every address in the state and anyone there until that ballot out and send it back yes absentee ballot requests are fine because that process there is integrity in that process like there was for you like there is for donald trump because he's a florida resident now and they said that ballot up there. as working in the state

he sends it back but they know who it's going to very different and indiscriminate mail and where these democratic governors unique against democrats want to just send out a bunch of ballots to a bunch of addresses without verifying those ballots are not yet i mean by an individual they will then look at the one of the one of the biggest scams and both parties do it again because it is a is the voter rolls ok and how you hurt them and you don't purge can be positive you know people unfortunately dike people move out of the state ok you need to clean up the the rolls but there are people that do not want to do that for obvious reasons here and again you know well i want to go back to you on this is that if people don't believe in the integrity of i mean this is you know none of us are hacks here ok i mean if the 3 percent people hold a potential voters are worried about this and considering the rhetoric and the poisonous rhetoric on both sides and i think more on one side but we don't have to go there you know me this really is going to be

a challenge for people because you know the partisans in both parties are so totally vested in this election here and it's the 1st election in my lifetime where people begin to think it's existential to be or not to be are you worried about that well i'm worried but let's look at the center and they actually don't want to state they have absentee ballots you know what you have to get you got saved ability to go. see not go into a poet is you know so you get your ballot mail and that's how you vote we have not seen any cases of voter fraud or productivity as an convicted crimes outside in oregon because of that so let's look at the same organism i go to vegas because it's a blue it's a blue state but it is i mean planted in florida and it's there's another there's another problem in that process florida we have absentee as well and again look i'll agree with well i don't have a problem with the integrity of absentee but when you vote absentee in florida you don't know if your vote is. receive them counted you know that john cardillo or

will pierce the was here what is requesting a ballot for john or will john where will it sending that ballot back but we don't know if it ever got from point a to point b. we don't know if when it did or if it did get to point b. it was in fact counted and properly counted i am a very big proponent of a limb and eating all of that except for deployed military or put polling places on the military base there are certain candidates on these teams and nursing homes the nursing home while hoping for that nature or bring the polling electronic polling to them i'm a big proponent of any person voting i really am again even with deployed military unless you're in a forward operating base you want to get that mail and we can make those exceptions because they won't strain to vote either way. seeing rampant fraud i got a real simple quick who won the iowa caucus. shadow. 5 point is do we think do we know i mean when the my point is we don't know ok

and and of course considering the environment we lived in was that on purpose i don't know it was not a test i don't know but because of the murky result because i don't remember this is a hope this is not a taster for what can happen oh right because as you know i've lived abroad for most most of my adult life and one thing i always tell my friends americans are well arms. let me let me ask will a quick question know it will be you really believe and i am if anybody knows my work i'm the last guy a conspiracy theories i was law enforcement i debunk them but doesn't it bother you as a democratic operative that bernie sanders is soaring he's got these massive rallies he's winning every primary the d.n.c. establishment steps then essentially says biden is going to be the nominee and all of a sudden biden starts winning nobody showed up by the way 3 people are showing up they've got to like us or i'm in wheelchairs bernie still putting 80000 people in

a rally in a park if he walks out of a drive through and calls it in 5 minutes and biden is all of a sudden the nominee and the trend line completely reverses in a way ok well but we didn't step down i don't blame a few phone calls were made obama did it and that you know what that's called more of a cult politics ok but you know one of the things that i didn't like was the treatment of healthy gobert ok i thought she was treated very very shabby way and it was because of her anti-war views and you know i feel a lot of conservatives that just adore her for that one specific thing that she spoke and she went and she spoke with authority ok she spoke with the experience here so by me getting a difference on the phone to the last 30 seconds go to well here what about voter shaming the democrats should stop shaming people. legal and a full throttle up to 30 seconds go ahead well i'm going to say and i'm going to go back to the main point about like overall if we do need to or if you do want to get

there as a bio and have her heart as if let's go to a quick if you're going to be a true democrat you're going to have to boot you're going to have to agree by the overall platform of the party and you can't just come in and say hey i'm going to change over all and i'm going to be and i'm going to do it i'm just going to pray should have an a in a candidate should matter to opinion you know is that you know what you know what if you're not going to agree with the platform then why are you going to run into quote a the last 15 seconds we had real crossed out but it's overage of the i want to date my guest in washington and what i know guys when they got viewers for watching as the r.t.c. annex i'm remember us up walls. seemed wrong. but all roads just don't call. me old yet to stamp out it's just going to come into town and in detroit because the trail.

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