the sadly the in prices on the world market i realize though that some industrialized countries are afraid to compete 1st in the field of technological development and 2nd they do not want other countries to follow the example of our economic model which is based on socialism even if morales is movement toward socialism all mass wins tomorrow's elections against opponents including those who support nato policy though the post-coup massacres of indigenous people by those defacto backed by the west are as nothing compared to the impact of corona virus on a vessel neoliberal private health state joining me now from san francisco and california for the latest developments as to freeing the earth from the specter of cove it is dr jacob land bellew reached out to president trump when he caught the deadly virus jacob welcome back to going underground so we've heard johnson and johnson eli lilly those companies that don't trump used to talk about a lot of the podium at the white house they've had to stop there are trials just tell me what you think trump took before we get on to the why there are context of

responses what a trump take to save his life right now or trying to see 3 different social medicine supersede more pretty early but i actually think that maybe direction a treatment that he received and anybody you know i'm a company of general your receiver and as of yet we just anti-viral gilliatt and he received. now these 3 different things they have a body search to go and neutralize virus everywhere in the body it's player long as you very well then the anti-viral. does appear in basically slows down the virus once it's already in a cell for making more cell and then finally the steroids what it really does is it knocks down your immune system normally they give it to you way later in the infection when their goal is to stop your new system from overreacting and attacking your lungs your are even your brain so they decided to get all 3 at once and in this case it seems like it's an. just away from kobe just for

a 2nd i've been saying on this show regeneration that had links to cuba because the c.e.o. once visited cuba i've also been repeating something some mainstream media outlets have that the region around treatment may be based on fetal stem cells i understand i've been talking rubbish. half truths so in 1983 there was a study and another once where they isolated actually 93 human embryonic any cell number 293 this is a human cell it was derived from a fetus and that cell was immortalized so you can grow never any copies of it and over the next 50 years that those copies of that use of that cell ended up in laboratories all over the world such that most out of technology companies use actually $13.00 is just that deep all self you want to grow proteins that come out of human cells be don't have to go and a person to take their tissue and you can use ect in 13 and so that's been used by laboratories all over the world to generate the virus but i'd be safe to say that

every biotechnology group has been working on a virus prices probably use at united through a certain points during their research ok well it will be up to a week only barrett presumably on the supreme court to figure out privy angles there on roe versus wade certainly that context back to the actual vaccine you think that we shouldn't be overly concerned about the fact there's not being as yet a peer reviewed. level trial vaccine yeah so i mean we need those those trials. but i am an optimist that the vaccines are going to work i've seen the data so far from multiple vaccines and they're all exceeding expectations the threshold was set very low by the f.d.a. of if you percent effectiveness i think we're seeing in excess of 80 percent. that vaccines are listening anybodies and you know anybody can provide protection some of that accidents are also stimulating t. cells. we don't still need those base 3 trials for the vaccine all under all

because those are the trials we start making our rare attention the important side effects and that's also in the phase 3 trials when you're actually letting us people out into society and seeing if they get sick or not so there was one of the trials to wit that was caused because of a couple subjects seen like that neural inflammation neurological inflammation after receiving the vaccine so they're checking to see is a sister when cements or is the presence of this vaccine somehow causing the immune system to attack maybe this person was in fact you were on a virus and now it's attacking their nerves maybe the vaccine cause neurological act this is very rare it is something that has been observed in vaccines previously is that the astra zeneca said the one dribble to which some people have already been saying they may have restarted the trials 2 too soon i'm not sure what your view is. likely they would need to see the data to know i think it you know there there have been. cases give ambar syndrome associated vaccines previously so this

is not unprecedented and we know that the coronavirus does in fact it's not all tissue that's one of the unique things about this virus new benign this whole year is that there is a risk that this this virus gets out loss it can infect our tissue in fact ranges shared neurons so we need to keep in mind with our vaccines and whether anybody there be that there's going to be some group that while that axiom is kicking in they may get infected so that's what we're checking for is to make sure that exene doesn't in an early start causing tissue which now again we're not confirmed that that's a problem yet it may be just fine but that's certainly something scientists are thinking i mean you know last time you were on we talked a little bit about how big multinational pharmaceutical companies seem to be benefiting from research money has that improved since i must put to you. not yet but i'm going to be that we have anybody carries on these big companies they have obviously spent billions of dollars in many decades paving the way for technologies

that i now use but it would help i think for there to be more chips on the table on more technology companies so my company in particular our anybody is different than the other. shows to turn off are the anybody that causes activation of the union system and this was a safety feature we were concerned that you could potentially el patient giving anybody to block the virus at the same time it made us information that could be problematic i think what companies and countries should choose to do is invest in gold prices because we do not know yet which ones that we do know that clearly. molecule has just been poz because of safety concerns not we don't know what that is and it may be unrelated but this trial has a mystery illness is all we know because this is all top secrets of elf from the big pharma companies now so imagine that that is the safety of factor comes your problem general is going to have the same problem and you really want to have in your back pocket an alternative solutions such as our molecule which may be

protected from that so that's the reason you don't want to put all your eggs in one basket i think everybody thinks there's going to be this great vaccine party when the vaccines that's these are great i'm glad we have them but the truth is not everyone's going to take them they don't work on everybody and there's a lady. and you have a lot up and we're going to have a very confusing 2021 where people are going to continue to all who are in the hospital system so that's why we need to there be an attack scene and that's what's going to get the world back on track and i think that that message should really permeate the 1st out of 24 i mean i do with thing is i suppose it permeates better with the public at large maybe than the stenographer journalist who just read the big pharma press release where you have with your treatment for coronavirus yeah so we were fortunate that we 1st off my my company's profitable i didn't develop antibodies for about that. there are mostly to accompany it so i was able to invest my own money into pursuing this there because i believed it was necessary you benefit from by laboratories across 3 nations that helped us validate our molecule

as neutralizing the current a virus and protected asters from getting sick and then we benefited from charles or laboratories surprise supported our safety and toxicity research and are working with your great companies add in that little or sigma out there doing our manufacturing of the drug so this present position to start our studies early in the new year we are knocking on doors still in the united states and we're beginning to talk to other countries as well as additional resources that accelerate that so we could potentially start in december but either way the studies once they start their fast because unlike a vaccine study react to get a bunch of shots go under people and wait a long time for the vaccine to get and and then wait longer another 3 months to see if there are acted within anybody out there in your studies or a few weeks the is you grab people in a shot ospital you test them there go that positive slap and i be on their on their arm and then over the next 10 days you know where the drugs and that means you can

move very quickly based on face to face 3 that's the good news bottom line is our medicine will be available. 2020 well given your star that netflix film maybe should get money from them but do you think about other countries i mean i'm going to ask the geopolitical let alone the case 3 big pharma angle to funding for these things the u.s. the national counter-intelligence security center apparently is as it says in russia china and iran are preventing the u.s. from getting a covert vaccine now one presumes do they mean the russian sputnik 5 vaccine which tens of thousands of taken but then the press here saying russia is lying about that vaccine one of the geo political stakes specially in the context of you maybe getting funding from abroad of this panacea to corona virus so look at. as a computational biologist and algorithm developer there's this concept of boosting which says if you're building an algorithm to solve a problem it's actually better to have multiple different solutions and then have

all sort of compete to create a solution it's sort of what we're having globally and i'm actually glad that there are multiple that are back seen solutions all over the world and they're obviously they need to be tested in any useful way and we need to accurately report the results there are governments and companies that have an interest here that may misaligned with the public good and i think that's something we need to keep an eye on but but ultimately we have a challenge and that is that no single entity is going to produce enough vaccine to protect the whole earth and we need to do that and so we're actually better off having multiple options that work a little different and they're all doing different manufacturing so if you make those out there and then we will shift gears whatever vaccine works best as well the lockdowns continue i mean here with us to talk about it i'm sure in the united states i mean that's the pelosi speaker the have said us regulations are tougher than the ones over here in britain maybe yes or seneca a box of vaccine might not even be able to be used in the united states as these sorts of criteria are really going to make

a big difference to the response in some countries and no in others as regards kovan yeah i think there are going to be some differences and that is something that we spend some time on it for anybody therapy you run into this issue right so we are a u.s. based company we focus on talking with the f.d.a. and b. as in theory there are going to barge amounts of money available that we have and access the majority of it but at the same time he's a problem for us i would be deeply unsatisfied and in fact it does not solve the problem if our drug just is available at the us and groups that accepts. the decisions by the f.d.a. on on what constitutes an acceptable medicine that is part of the world but you have to consider all their friends regions of the world and if you're serious we are serious as a collective human society about this and then the need to make sure that the medicines are accessible and affordable. medicines are accessible people can take them. and what we know is that those people will just keep re-investing everyone else even if you're a psychopath you should still want to have everyone on the world that man is in a need to be affordable as well this isn't

a major problem i've seen so far is that people are waiting to reduce these medicines there are large corporations were looking there and saying it will be made in excess of 10000000000 dollars and 2020 that's great for them it would motivate them to solve the problem but it actually hasn't because if they're charging so much that not everyone can afford it then again there's going to be many people who are going to continue to are in fact the rest of us and we do not. have to jacob glanville thank you thank you after the break from sheffield to the european union to the white house we talk disrupting the political status quo with the youngest lord mayor of sheffield in one of the last u.k. anybody's magic magic dollars or more coming up in part 2 of going on the ground. l. look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. i robot

must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders that conflict with the 1st law show your identification for should be very careful about artificial intelligence and the point is to create a trance. like area saying with artificial intelligence where something to. the obama must protect its own existence is only exist. when you look and you know it's it's been a 153 years since emancipation when you look at it's been 400 years right since black people have been in the us to extract in their labor for the construction of

the country and then you think that black people on about 2 percent of us wealth and a disproportionately high is category in almost everything that's negative i just don't see that that i don't see how anybody anywhere it defined as as a we. welcome back from an arguably haphazard approach to corona virus restrictions to allegations that the home secretary considered building an asylum processing center on the u.k.'s most remote territory in the suggestion that those working in the arts should retrain for it has been another ugly rocky week for the u.k.'s conservative government one which some have noted as not being reflected by a majesty's opposition so with no formal pushback to an arguably destructive government approach how can one utilize their own abilities to fight for justice and equality one man who has experience pushing back against powerful forces from a seemingly new. labor counsel to the president of the united states is the

youngest ever lord mayor of sheffield and former green m.e.p. legend magic his new book we are 2 disruption the manifest of a real change is out now and going underground deputy editor charlie cook caught up with him to talk about it and i do thank you so much for coming on going underground you're the youngest sheffield and you're one of the last year k m e pays to tell us about the art of disruption your new book slash manifesto so and this book is a guide in courageous doing batson against the angel palestra which is going to be what life and politics they can use the stories from becomes a contrast refugee with my family aged 5 growing up in a possum destroy the unseen sheffield's and right through to me being a council an old man being an elected member ripping parliament so i guess if you want to know if you want to make a change because small you don't know where to start this book is definitely the you you mentioned coming from somalia as a refugee just tell me about that. basically and there was a civil war happening within somalia and we could have ended anywhere in the world

and like many of the people of many of the refugees that have to leave the home for many different reasons to be honest and we left our family our friends everything behind just to kind of seek safety and we could have ended up anywhere and we can end it up in sheffield that it was said a brief stint in ethiopia and ended up coming to sheffield for those that on the sheffield is the 1st century in the u.k. it's got a very long rich history in welcoming people from all across the world and despite what the had right wing media tabloid cellular tells you a lot of refugees don't come to make anyone's life and uses its major and difficult than it already is this is a case of wants to see refugees more than anything else and i see could have become too bad place to just humans i do want to get on to a time as lord maddie to tell a bit but i just wanted to get your opinions on recent so. the pretty tallis proposing to send asylum seekers the ascension islands i know you mention the

astray and style immigration system in europe is just as evil and then they wanted to shit refugees into islands god knows where an onus is just discussed in and humane and the sad thing is i don't i actually. i'm not surprised specially with some of the draconian policies and initiatives that she's been pushing forward and we all have to do everything that we can make sure that nothing like that actually comes up and of course. the fall of the whole astray and style system should have gone either the something is it been children people or base been stuck on this island that sister education system on anything and it's not a model that we should be driving you nuts probably not something once it's below any shape or form pretty little what it was they say she's always acted appropriately that segues i think nicely into a point you make in the book about being accused of being too political why do you

think that is used as kind of a flower accusing you of being too political i think the american because a lot of people at times just are just happy with the status quo and when they see somebody who's housed basically is innocent in just being a bit of a shock some are more people say our budget you know you need to tone it down you know maybe shouldn't talk about that be too political but being someone who's a black muslim comes conscious refugio it would how can i not be political everything is political and i feel as if i would be such a disservice if i didn't use my plot for the kind of speak i can see just as not only the eyepiece but other people face as well i know i've been fortunate to have and and have a following and have a platform that everyone has got a degree of influence and with their own circle so the quantifiers expose not only the deep inequalities in our society but also proven what many progressive people being we are only as secure as the most vulnerable amongst us and when you and lord

matt this is where a kind of the accusations even to political kind of seem to pop up the most on the think you might remember is the time you found donald trump from sheffield which got you in trouble by no less than the managing director of boeing at the time so it was done. state visit and the time when our government was voted to read copy out to someone who is a rapist a homophobic racist and i just kind of puts most of this is not the sort of message we should be kind of given not to because by always voting their copy well and bold and not only him but all his followers all the far right group funny so it was a case of like you know i'm not going to tolerate especially being the 1st is that of sheffield i was i listened to maybe one of the red cop out but well the doc is he's not welcome in sheffield and the thing is people would always say that my jealous and america are our biggest allies we need to kind of like how can we just because it was in a couple of 1000 the last kind of compared to say if one of your friends was based in absolute painted be in

a race being ridiculous you'll say to this in. itself are the 5 bytes of my house on the coast going to be people will be like oh you talk about donald trump and the head of boeing basically say and it's not good for business in sheffield i was and basically didn't expect that reaction by still stunned by my position hopefully home and the end of the movement. the president or with the president trumpet tonight being a rapist a homophobe or a racist person father thinks is notorious for gate keeping and you talk in the book about how many people don't know what a counsellor dolls or how the kind of intricacies of british politics i want to top it with another thing in the book that you didn't wear seat when you became a lot mad you think these kind of things are in place that by design to stop disruptors like you from entering politics we've all been socially conditioned some degree in terms of what we should expect of expect of politicians and look like what background they come from. all these kind of things and i guess from someone like me who kind of comes from

a completely different but ground and what people expects innocent people kind of get taken but by that it's the people that we are lex to be i would leaders don't reflect the people they represent even if we look at the government cabinet for example the majority of them call from come from and 2nd class and bugger all with . multi 1000000 as and well it's actually issues like austerity child poverty how they really means understand the real devastating effects impacts it's going to have if they've not really kind of had to experience dollars not reflected in their leadership so for me even if it was basically you know if you just basically be an unapologetic myself in an environment that was a built for someone like me i remember violence and fussing during the ramadan and actually opening my fast in the lord missed all of that was built over under an odd years when i dream of thinking to myself i doubt the people i would see them built built this magnificent grandiose building would have ever thought that somebody was

a blackness in a few jews going to be holed in a if taught and so i think honestly for politics i'm for politicians to really have an equal society of some sorts what was that and this is that people need to be reflected in their leaders in a class with other councillors a lot when you lord and they were accusing you of breaking with tradition but what struck me and what you highlight in the book is that sheffield has a radical political history and so in a way you're in keeping with tradition while they were leading on outsourcing and pair of eyes exactly so i guess like sheffield always had a radical political history like that the facile for jet society organizations if you've been a political sources should that happen if $851.00 ad would come up and so much so and i think the thing is we read the council it was a case of a power more than anything else fine if like some i'll get in how executive power but in terms of soft power and. really man it's a kind of like when one person can galvanize momi dhea and more kind of our support

and kind of influence did the entire councils come stephen it was it became an issue for them well anything else and he was trying to put a barrier after barrier and signing and basically supporting p.f. i contrived contracts using this is labor councils who's an anti trade union laws and imprison its own citizens we're basically doing civil disobedience doing peaceful protest in and it's the people that kind of lose at the end of the day is the citizens in sheffield and obviously outside especially the beginning like of course the whole impossible job i thought maybe i've got it wrong but support a kind of faith and confidence came from what i was seeing people like and all the arts and culture organizations all the charities all the young people across sheffield supporting me and then people in the council as they always break in tradition and listen we still have traditional women want to lots of oh all the things that we commit new traditions as well and i always say tradition is just peer pressure from dead people listen you can't please everyone and i knew that

from the get go i mean those images you represent everyone in sheffield and of course you go without them but if you try to be everyone's cup of tea you might be a mug because all i could do is just be true to myself and to my principles and of course do everything with the best of intentions and at times people didn't agree with it even when i decided to wear a white top when i always wear white poppy well it was the sheffield council would say they've always acted appropriately i want to just talk about environmental issues right now is close to your heart because you're obviously one of the last you cammy piece for the green party and you mentioned how politicians may not be able to see the effects of their policies when it comes to things like austerity but can you just tell me the story of alloca see deborah you mention in your book on the dangers of appalachian. advocacy deborah. was a young girl in london subway last life jude absolution and in london and her mother has basically been campaigning nonstop and. they have got a inquiry start basically looking and trying to come up with new policies to kind

of tackle that because a time people say we listen because it's the kind of change because when experience in a day to day and judge times people suffer the most when it comes in type climate crisis is people in the global south they even in the u.k. even shuffle for example there was a school that had to be close and just because the level of absolution was dropped but it was completely like and i think like on average $500.00 early deaths accumulate in sheffield but had so i like it is we've got one plan and we need to kind of live with me that for me is something i've always basically kind of tried to put at the forefront. and in everything i do to be honest and i guess one of the things i'm also true at the moment is i'm going to be working with a few european race in time just as organizations just to look at the intersection between race and the class and the whole climate crisis because we can't talk about the kind of process that recognize it's also an inequality and race issue at the

same time because the people who do suffer from the climate crisis all those people from any backgrounds from working class backgrounds who are already suffering with a lot of things as it is the realms of what can be done have dramatically expanded over the visa events and i was the result we have to really consider what's possible not to be ambitious but really demand more more than anything else so the kind of with one of the problems that we face is it just come down from the heavens they were made by bad human decisions and mainly by men in suits therefore good images can actually change everything that's why we really can't no longer just i guess on the sidelines i'll just ask you one more i don't know if you had the chance to research not saying that artists and musicians should look for other employment at this time what do you make of that someone who has championed and culture in sheffield is completely disheartening and the reality is that it's hard to miss. been doing constant. and on time specially the people will be benefiting

from this is the billionaires the good have made an active season not just piled up and i think present is because all engender sympathy and it's really hard to be empathetic person and vote conservative so isn't that interesting completely disseminate anything to do with us and culture and especially outside with everything else happening is one of the things that we kind of rely on as a society and it's just a shame and we need to challenge our view from chancellor she said and all of it out in the cult sector say they've done everything they can for the arts sector as a matter thank you so much for being with us now thank you very much deputy editor charlie cook recipe to the youngest lord mayor sheffield magic magic in his book the art of destruction a manifesto for real change is out now will be back on monday and you'll enjoy me on the ground by following up on twitter facebook instagram and so on.

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because he. said back in february the question i posed to the global audience was will this be a crisis sufficient enough to override the ability of central banks to paper over the crisis because for the last 30 years every crisis we've had whether it's a market crash or the 2000 prime crash or a hurricane or ecological or. a war always been met with paper printing by the central banks. interest rates keep going down. for issuing all that paper as we've seen now for 40 years interest rates have gone down so now here we are in the end of the year the question again is is the crisis big enough to not be able to be fixed by central bank money printing.

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