in this case it seems like you and i just away from covert just for a 2nd i've been saying on this show regeneration that had links to cuba because the c.e.o. once visited cuba i've also been repeating something some mainstream media outlets have that the region around treatment may be based on fetal stem cells i understand i've been talking rubbish. half truths so in 1983 there was a study and another once where they isolated a actually 93 human embryonic any cell number 293 this is a human cell it was derived from a fetus and that cell was immortalized so you can grow never any copies of it and over the next 50 years that those copies of that use of that cell ended up in laboratories all over the world such that most out technology companies use actually $13.00 is just a self you want to grow proteins that come out of human cells be don't have to go and a person to take their tissue and he can use acting 13 and so that's been used by

laboratories all over the world to generate the virus but i do the same to say that every biotechnology group has been working on a virus prices probably use act united through a certain points during their research you know ok well it will be up to a week only barrett to presume we're on the supreme court to figure out because of the angles there on roe versus wade certainly that context back to the actual vaccine you think that we shouldn't be overly concerned about the fact there's not being as yet a peer reviewed. level trial vaccine yeah so i mean we need those those trials. but i am an optimist that the vaccines are going to work i've seen the data so far from multiple vaccines and they're all exceeding expectations the threshold was set very low by the yeah yeah if you percent effectiveness i think we're seeing in excess of 80 percent. that vaccines are listening anybody's and you know anybody can provide protection so. that axioms are also stimulating t.

cells we'll still need those base 3 trials when they get the vaccine a whole bunch of people because those are the trials we start making out rarer attention the important side effects and that's also in the case 3 trials when you're actually letting a much people out into society and seeing if they get sick or not so there was one of the trials that was caused because of a couple subjects seen like that neural inflammation neurological inflammation after receiving the vaccine so they're checking to see is a sister when cements or is the presence of this vaccine somehow causing the immune system to attack maybe this person was in fact you were on a virus and now it's attacking their nerves maybe the vaccine cause neurological act this is very rare but it is something that has been observed in vaccines previously is that the astra zeneca said the one triple to which some people have already been saying they may have restarted the trials 2 too soon i'm not sure what your view is. likely they would need to see the data to know i think it you know

there there have been. cases give ambar syndrome associated vaccines previously so this is not unprecedented and we know that the coronavirus does in fact it's not all tissue that's one of the unique things about this virus and you've been not in this whole year is that there is a risk that this this virus gets out loss it can in fact heart tissue in fact ranges share in our eyes so we need to keep in mind with our vaccines and whether anybody therapies that there's going to be some group that while that axion is kicking in they may get infected so that's what we're checking for is to make sure that exene doesn't it in an early start causing tissue now again we're not confirm that that's a problem yet it may be just fine but that's certainly something scientists are thinking i mean you know last time you were on we talked a little bit about how big multinational pharmaceutical companies seem to be benefiting from research money has that improved since i must put to you. not yet but i'm going to be that we have anybody carries on these big companies they have

obviously spent billions of dollars in many decades paving the way for technologies that i now use but it would help i think for there to be more chips on the table on more technology so my company in particular are anybody is different than the other . chose to turn off are the anybody that causes activation of the union system and this was a safety feature we were concerned that you could potentially el patient even anybody to block the virus and at the same time it made us information that could be problematic i think what companies and countries should choose to do is invest in multiple choices because we do not know yet which ones that we do know that clearly. molecule has just been cause because of safety concerns now we don't know what that is and it may be unrelated but this trail has a mystery illness is all we know because this is all top secret stuff from the big pharma companies though so imagine that that is the safety of factor comes your problem general is going to have the same problem and you really want to have in

your back pocket an alternative solutions such as our molecule which may be protected from that so that's the reason you don't want to put all your eggs in one basket i think everybody thinks there's going to be this great vaccine party when the vaccines that's these are great i'm glad we have them but the truth is not everyone's going to take them they don't work on everybody and there's a lady. and you have a lot up and we're going to have a very confusing 2021 where people are going to continue to all who are in the hospital system so that's why we need to there be and a vaccine and that's what's going to get the world back on track and i think that that message should really permeate 1st at 25 i mean i deal with thing is i suppose it permeates better with the public at large maybe than the stenographer journalist who just read the big pharma press release where you have with the your treatment for corona virus yes so we were fortunate that we 1st off my my company's profitable i did develop antibodies for about that. there are mostly to accompany it so i was able to invest my own money into pursuing this there because i believed

it was necessary it and if it by laboratories across 3 nations that helped us validate our model as neutralizing the current a virus and protect it asters getting sick and then we benefited from charles or laboratories surprise supported our safety and toxicity research and are working with your great companies add in that little or sigma out there doing our manufacturing of the drug so this present position to start our studies early in the new year we are knocking on doors still in the united states and we're beginning to talk to other countries as well as additional resources get accelerate that so we essentially start in december but either way the studies once they start their fast because unlike a vaccine study react to get a bunch of shots go under people and wait a long time for the vaccine it again and then wait longer another 3 months to see if there are acted within anybody there in your studies or a few weeks the is you grab people in a shot ospital you test them there go it positively saturday be on their on their arm and then over the next 10 days you know where the drug and that means you can

very quickly face one face to face 3 that's the good news bottom line is our medicine will be available. 2020 well given you're the star of that netflix film maybe to get money from them but don't think i'm out of the countries i mean i'm going to ask the geopolitical let alone the case 3 big pharma angle to funding for these things the us the national counterintelligence security center apparently is as it says in russia china and iran are preventing the u.s. from getting a covert vaccine now one presumes do they mean the russians sputnik 5 vaccine which tens of thousands of taken but then the press here saying russia is lying about that vaccine one of the geo political stakes specially in the context of you maybe getting funding from abroad of off this panacea to corona virus so look at. as a computational biologist and algorithm developer there's this concept called boosting which says if you're building an algorithm to solve

a problem it's actually better to have multiple different solutions and then have all sort of compete to create a solution it's sort of what we're having globally and i'm actually glad that there are multiple that are back seen solutions all over the world and they're obviously they need to be tested in any useful way and we need to accurately report the results there are governments and companies that have self interest here that may misaligned with the public good and i think that's something we need to keep an eye on but but ultimately we have a challenge and that is that no single entity is going to produce enough vaccine to protect the whole earth and we need to do that and so we're actually better off having multiple options that work a little different and they're all doing different manufacturing so if you make that goes out there and then we will shift gears whatever vaccine works the best as well the lockdowns continue i mean here with us to talk about it i'm sure in the united states i mean that's the pelosi speaker the have said us regulations are tougher than the ones over here in britain maybe yes or seneca pox and vaccine might not even be able to be used in the united states as these sorts of criteria

are really going to make a big difference to the response in some countries and no in others as regards kovan yeah i think there are going to be some differences and that is something that we spend some time on it for anybody therapy you run into this issue right so we where u.s. based company we focus on talking with the f.d.a. and b. as in theory they're going to march amounts of money available and we haven't access the majority of it but at the same time he is a problem for us i would be deeply unsatisfied and in fact it does not solve the problem if our drug just is available at the u.s. and groups that accept. the decisions by the f.d.a. on on what constitutes an acceptable medicine that is part of the world but you have to consider all their friends regions of the world and if you're serious we are serious as a collective human society about this and then make the need to make sure that medicines are accessible and affordable. medicines are accessible people can take them. and what we know is that those people will just keep re-investing everyone else even if you're a psychopath you should still want to have everyone on the world that man is in

a need to be affordable as well this isn't a major problem i've seen so far is that people are waiting to produce these medicines there are large corporations were looking there and saying oh we're going make in excess of 10000000000 dollars and 2020 that's great for them it would motivate them to solve the problem but it actually hasn't because if they're charging so much that not everyone can afford it then again there's going to be many people who are going to continue to are in fact the rest of us and we do not. have to jacob glanville thank you thank you after the break from sheffield to the european union to the white house we talk disrupting the political status quo with the youngest lord mayor of sheffield in one of the last few days i mean the magic magic dollars or more coming up about 2 going on the ground.

you know when the pandemic 1st hit back in february the question i posed to the global audience was will this be a crisis sufficient enough to overrun the ability of central banks to paper over the crisis because for the last 30 years every crisis we've had whether it's a market crash or the 2000 a subprime crash or a hurricane with paper printing by the central banks and as long as the interest

rates keep going down there's no penalty for issuing all that paper as we've seen now for 40 years interest rates have gone down so now here we are in the end of the year the question again is this takeover crisis big enough to not be able to be fixed by central bank money printing. to give me too much. he said. is not blunt but about how the most companies he knows i've been making who says you know please. let me go. stumpy seems futile almost even though he goes from didn't you know just to she's just. so you can call. someone dumbly the finest and most

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welcome back from an arguably haphazard approach to coronavirus restrictions to allegations that the home secretary considered building an asylum processing center on the u.k.'s most remote territory in the suggestion that those working in the arts should retrain for some it has been another ugly rocky week for the u.k. conservative government one which some of noted is not being reflected by her majesty's opposition so with no formal pushback to an arguably destructive government approach how can one utilize their own abilities to fight for justice and equality one man who has experience pushing back against powerful forces from a seemingly new liberal labor council to the president of the united states is the youngest ever lord mayor of sheffield and former green m.e.p. legend magic his new book the art of disruption the manifest of a real change is out now and going underground deputy editor charlie cook caught up with him to talk about it and i do think you start to carry on going underground you're the youngest sheffield and you're one of the last year k.m.a. pays to tell us about the art of disruption your new book slash manifesto so and

this book is a guide in courageous doing batson against the angel palestra which is going to not be what life i'm politics they can use stories from becomes a contrast refugee with my family aged 5 growing up in a possible northern city jeff fields and right foods me being a council an old man being an elected member european parliament so i guess if you want to know if you want to make a change because small you don't know where to start this book is definitely you you mentioned coming from somalia as a refugee just tell me about that. basically and there was a civil war happening within somalia and you could have ended up anywhere in the world like many of the people many of the refugees have to leave the home for many different reasons to be honest and we left our family our friends everything behind just to kind of seek safety. and you and we can and you don't in sheffield that it was the. in a brief stint in ethiopia and ended up coming to sheffield for those that on the

sheffield is the 1st century in the u.k. it's got a very long rich history in welcoming people from all across the world and despite what the had right wing media tabloid cellular tells you a lot of refugees don't come to make anyone's life and use insults make and difficult than it already is this is a case of wants to see refuge more than anything else and i see couldn't become too bad place to just humans i do want to get on to a time as lord maddie to tell a bit but i just wanted to get your opinions on the recent story the pretty tallis proposing to send asylum seekers the ascension islands i know you mention the strain in style immigration system in europe is just as evil and then they wanted to shit refugees into islands god knows where an onus is just discussed in i'm human and the sad thing is i don't i actually. i'm not surprised specially with some of the draconian policies and initiatives that she's been pushing forward and

we all have to do everything that we can to watch and make sure that nothing like that actually comes up and of course. the fall of the whole astray and style system of the should have got out of the sad thing is that bin children people are base being stuck on this island that sister education system on anything and it's not a model that we should be driving in us patting ourselves and once it's below you any shape or form. would obviously say she's always acted appropriately that segues i think nicely into a point you make in the book about being accused of being too political why do you think that is used as kind of a flower accusing you of being too political i think the american because a lot of people at times just are just happy with the status quo and when they see somebody who's housed basically is innocent in just being a bit of a shock so our military people say our budget you know you need to tone it down you know maybe shouldn't talk about that be too political but being someone who's

a black muslim refugio it would how can it not be political everything is political and i feel as if i would be such a disservice if i didn't use my plot for the kind of speak i can see just as not only the eyepiece but other people face as well i know i've been fortunate to have and and have a father and have a platform that everyone has got a degree of influence and got their own circle so the quantifiers expose not only the deep inequalities in our society but also proven what many progressive people being we are only as secure as the most vulnerable amongst us and when you are lord matt this is where kind of the accusations even to political kind of seem to pop up the most to think you might remember is the time you bond donald trump from sheffield which got you in trouble by no less than the managing director of boeing at the time so it was done. state visit and the time when our government was voted to read copy out someone who is

a rapist homophobic racist and i just got a false missive this is not the sort of message we should be kind of giving not to because bio's voted their copy well and boldly not only him but all his father was all the far right group funny so it was a case of like you know i'm not going to tolerate especially being the 1st is that of sheffield i was i listened to maybe one of the red cop out but well the doc is he's not welcome in sheffield and the thing is people would always say the magic is i'm america our biggest allies we need to kind of like how can we just because it was in a couple of and then i can't compare it to say if one of your friends was basically an absolute pain had been a race being ridiculous he'll say to this and get together sort itself out before i die to my house and the cause of the people will be like oh you talk about donald trump and the head of boeing basically say and it's not good for business in sheffield i was and basically didn't expect that reaction by still stunned and i might sit in hopefully calm and the end of the movement. the president obviously

president from but tonight being a rapist a homophobe or a racist person father thinks is notorious for gate keeping and you talk in the book about how many people don't know what a counsellor does or how the kind of intricacies of british politics i want to top it with another thing in the book that you didn't wear seat when you became a lot mad you think these kind of things are in place that by design to stop disruptors like you from entering politics we've all been socially conditioned some degree in terms of what we should expect of expect of politicians look like what background they come from. all these kind of things and i guess from someone like me who kind of comes from a completely different but ground and what people expects innocent people kind of get taken but by that it's the people that we are lex to be i would leaders don't reflect the people they represent even if we look at the government cabinet for example the majority of them call from come from and 2nd class and bugger all with . multi-million as and well it's actually issues like austerity child poverty how

they really meant understand the real devastating effects impacts it's going to have if they've not really kind of had to experience to always not reflected in their leadership so for me even if it was basically you know if you just basically be an unapologetic myself in an environment that was a built for someone like me i remember vats. fussin during the ramadan i'm actually opening my fast in the lord made all of that was built over under an odd years when i dream of thinking to myself i doubt the people i would see them built built this magnificent grandiose building would have ever thought that somebody in the blackness in a few jews going to be hauled in a if taught and so i think honestly for politics i'm for politicians to really have an equal society of some sorts what was that and this is that people need to be reflected in their leaders you clashed with other councillors a lot when you lord and they were accusing you of breaking with tradition but what

struck me and what you highlight in the book is that sheffield has a radical political history and so in a way you're in keeping with tradition while they were leaning on outsourcing and. exactly so i guess like sheffield always had a radical political history like that the facile for jet society organizations if you've been a political sources should that happen if $851.00 ad would come up and so much so and i think the thing is we read the council it was a case of a power more than anything else fine if like some i'll get in hot executive power but in terms of soft power and. really man it's a kind of like when one person can galvanize momi dhea and more kind of our support and kind of influence did the entire councils come stephen it was it became an issue for them well anything else that he was trying to put a barrier after baria and signed in and basically supporting p.f. i contrived contracts using this is labor councils who's an anti trade union laws and imprison its own citizens we're basically doing civil disobedience doing

peaceful protest in and it's the people that kind of do that and the day is this is in sheffield and obviously at times especially the beginning like of course the whole and pasta job i thought maybe i've got it wrong but support a kind of faith and confidence came from what i was seeing people like and all the arts and culture organizations all the charities all the young people across sheffield supporting me and then people in the council as they always break in tradition and listen we have traditional women want to lots of oh all the things that we can make new traditions as well and i always say tradition is just peer pressure from dead people listen you can't please everyone i knew that from the get go i mean those images you represent everyone in sheffield and of course you go without them but if you try to be adam's cup of tea it might be a mug because all i could do is just be true to myself and to my principles and of course do everything with the best of intentions and at times people didn't agree with it even when i decided to wear a white top when i always wear white poppy well it was the sheffield council would

say they've always acted appropriately i want to just talk about environmental issues right now is close to your heart because obviously one of the last you cammy piece for the green party and you mentioned how politicians may not be able to see the effects of their policies when it comes to things like austerity but can you just tell me the story of alec hissy deborah that you mention in your book on the dangers of appalachian. advocacy deborah. was a young girl in london who suffered a loss of life judy absolution and in london and her mother has basically been campaigning nonstop and. they have got a inquiry site to basically look out and try to come up with new policies to kind of tackle the time peoples and listen because it's the kind of change because when experience in a day to day and judge times people suffer the most when it comes. across as people in the global south even in the u.k. even in shuttle for example there was a school that had to be close and just because the level of absolution was that but

it was completely like and i think like on average 500 early deaths accumulate in sheffield but had so i like it is we've got one plan and we need to kind of live with me that for me is something i've always basically kind of tried to put at the forefront. and in everything i do to be honest and i guess one of the things i'm also true at the moment is i'm going to be working with a few european race in time just as organizations just to look at the intersection between race and the class and the whole climate crisis because we can't talk about the kind of process that recognize it's also an inequality and race issue at the same time because the people who do suffer from the climate crisis all those people from any backgrounds from working class backgrounds who are already suffering lost in this is is the realms of what can be done have dramatically expanded over the visa events and i was the result we have to really consider what's possible not to be ambitious but really in mind more more than anything else so the kind of with

one of the problems that we face is it just come down from the heavens they were made by bad human decisions and mainly by men in suits they feel good images can actually change everything that's why we really can't no longer just i guess on the sidelines i just ask you one more i don't know if you had the chance to research for not saying that artists and musicians should look for other employment at this time what do you make of that someone who has championed and culture in sheffield is completely disheartening and the reality is that it's hard enough. been doing constant. and on time specially the people be benefiting from this is the billionaires the government have made an active decision not to support the us and i think person is because all engender sympathy and it's really hard to be empathetic person and vote conservative so isn't that interesting completely disseminate anything to do with arts and culture and especially at a time when everything is happening is one of the things that we kind of rely on as

a society and it's just a shame and we need to challenge it out of your friends chancellor she said i found all of it out in the cult sector it's a they've done everything they can for the arts sector as a matter thank you so much for being. no thank you very much deputy editor charlie cook best for you to the youngest old mayor of sheffield budget magid in his book the art of destruction a manifesto for real change that now will be back on monday and you'll enjoy me on the ground by following up on twitter facebook instagram and sun. it was a very nice show from president putin and i could have said no thank you or i could have said thank you and i said i'll take it and now it's time to introduce my it's

not bashful mr donald trump thank you susan very much for the. name whatever you want to name i mean i don't know how would i come that news that ceasar us tell what i call that a recorder or e. network that's totally dishonest c.n.n. is says you know 100 percent negative i carry this change fast changes so fast sometimes i'll say wow that's going to be a great story be a pretty good report and others good as you. will see what happened so who knows i always say who knows what we'll see on the field it will be successful. the world is driven by dreamers shaped by one person if there is.

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