of people connected to what this company has declared to be conspiracy theories organizations you know i won't name them not to give as a dozen to them but everyone knows these names you know the mainstream media reports about them every day and if you look at the theories for which these groups were paralyzed or biased basically every one of them has some. kind of shadow in religion like ok it's a conspiracy theory the western rule or world is ruled by paedophiles who are iranian you know child safety child sex trade yes that's a conspiracy theory but jeffrey epstein exists that and he is circle exist and is the circle included people from there for what we can call high society so why can't people just you know make their own conclusions and go all further

that's absolutely nature oh. and the problem with the conspiracy conspiracy theory is spread by the mainstream media is that they're not based in reality at all they're based on ideology for example. saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction he was a maniac who wanted to destroy the world that was a huge conspiracy theory but no one shoves down new york times twitter accounts no one says you i to us how many times did new york times report that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and so for hours and sometimes tens of thousands of women they got those say it's not a conspiracy theory and mr trump is a liar and you should be labeled and then you advance would continue business as usual right i go only to find peace leg up you'll surprises and the promotions and they were just kicked up the ladder 1st spreading there by. narratives here you

know this is the limit george i mean. in this is all the media's fault i mean let's just look at coded i mean you can look at a one hour one hour of prime time and go to every single major cable station and they have their or their panel of medical experts but they all say different things ok i mean what are people supposed to believe and because they can't believe the official narratives they're going to try to make conclusions themselves that's only natural and the at least over the last couple of days the way social media platforms of behave no wonder people start thinking unthinkable and mean sometimes and reasonable things because they feel they're being lied to. that's absolutely right but at its mercy here is the server 2 basic purpose which is use the media your opponents as book of conspiracy theory and so you say oh i'm. a

poor ridiculousness here is the fear is that joe biden was involved with you don't really ukrainian influence peddling and trying to get a prosecutor. because you want to protect is something that's a conspiracy theory. when you say that barack obama was spying on the trunk campaign that's a conspiracy theory but as dimmock went to that. oh man hussein had weapons of mass destruction and even more seriously that he was involved in the 911 terrorist attack that apparently is not a conspiracy there this is the claim that martin may have. fixed the 2016 election for 'd donald trump which the media have been claiming i think they do it to this day that's not a conspiracy theory. they claim that hunt abidance lab or the e-mails that have just recently emerged. a product of

a russian this information that's not a conspiracy so so that's where you are you are allowed to put forward your conspiracy theory was me airing your opponent as being a conspiracy theory. if you look at the new york times how many times they didn't use the word conspiracy theory all day every day innumerable stories used to it it's good that they're about whom about the people that they politically donald trump is a puppet or a conspiracy but no no we've been your time not to do when we say that but i'm a potent controls every single thing in the well that's not a conspiracy very good you know demon you can compare this is a controversy surrounding joe biden's son hunter and then we can compare it to to rush again so rush again is based on anonymous sources exclusively minimum is sources and. and flimsy and even fabricated dossiers

ok that were paid for for and they all had that and the dossier had a political aim ok to discredit and that's called opposite position research and happens all the time. but opposition research that isn't usually used to impeach someone ok but in the case of the the main the bike family i mean there are calendars there are people to this minute that they met and my. he transfers and you know i mean there's a lot of you know me you know those bones to talk about but russia again was all up in the clouds built you know i counsel floating in miraculously in the clouds here but you know one conspiracy theory and the other one is debunked but i mean you know and then where the journalist in the whole of the not i mean it was a pretty ugly car so when the quads that's quo a spade a spade i think people should be named and shamed in this case i mean christopher a steals dorsey a claim that russian 1 prostitutes or any of them sounds on drugs had when he was

in moscow and that was completely below you and there was nothing behind it. but you know these dossier is still mentioned and the mainstream media not only in the united states by you know. media outlets like dish spiegel magazine in germany all i know more and in france they continue saying that russians stole their american election by placing ads on facebook for them out of $100000.00 or less you know so these are just absolutely incredible lies i mean allies had said simply don't make much as i told you you know the so-called popular conspiracy theorists you know there are many conspiracy theories about coronavirus well because the theme who looks absurd specious that's why you have these yes nice sometimes about corona mafia or corona craziness corona grease in

nature all that people create such theories that conspiracy theories of the mainstream media are based on. ideology like hotel poison not only i don't think so because no one else was interested in poisoning him well i mean there were several very strange deaths or. or western politicians e.u. petitions in the last few years like r.j. lever of course called as you can also so i'm going to go out so depressed that he hanged himself in his all models and i want to ask him questions you know your kaido who was who was the black sheep of european politics you know the you convened wise men smeaton's to see how he has influenced would become faint and then he just drove his car badly and walked into an accident and died who was interested in this of course no one you know but with natalee yes all the pushing

was interested in that if you could do it so if this is all based on made you all would say this is all based on on demonizing certain people like you say a lot of bad things some bought some foreign leader and then something happens and then you say who else well i mean this is laziness as well ok i mean if there is that it's open to the many of these people does have a default position that they're not really interested in facts ok they they're interested in how you can pretend to aid their political agenda here in georgia it's like you know another one that keeps circulating around even though it's been debunked is the bounty hunters in afghanistan where you can't the highest serving general american general and he has gone public and yes now it's about 3 or 4 weeks ago saying that he has heard nothing of this there's he hasn't there's the yes no knowledge of this which but still in the us a political campaign the presidential campaign it's still being circulated i mean

so even if you go to the very source ok it's soldiers being killed by how a band that are being paid by the russians of it and they whittled it down to someone a soldier a former soldier or someone someone associated with the iraqi government that is 100 percent dependent on the united states and trump wants to get out and so all of a sudden this. get circulated and and then it can get it gets down to well maybe you shouldn't leave afghanistan when the american public overwhelmingly wants that to happen but see that conspiracy continued to supply it to flow because it has political advantages for some. yes that's exactly right and and you notice that even the in last week's the town hall debate biden again came up with this nonsense about the the bounty and of course the moderator george stephanopoulos did nothing to correct them none of the fact checkers did anything to correct their senate the

tammy duckworth just about every day tweets out something about our how many days have passed into the 1st heard about the the bounties on the u.s. soldiers and still donald trump hasn't said anything about it so it just has momentum of its own it doesn't it doesn't matter that it's been debunked apparently it's perfectly reasonable to peddle this sort of nonsense and in fact the whole russia gate is still people still peddling this thing about how russia interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of donald trump and that the you know and that somehow the 26000 election result was tainted by russia no evidence has ever been presented i mean every single thing that we have learned since when you 16 as sure that there really there was no russian intervention except for it what it did prove though we're going to go to a break real quick what it did prove is that this was a conspiracy ok but they didn't prove it ok so instead of coal when we debunk it

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welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let's go back to here in moscow you know in looking at what the. what's happening to the internet in these platforms critically facebook and twitter and then we can throw in google here we have seen particularly in the last weeks the last few days last week where they have very very stridently interfered into the political process and we're talking about the growing scandal in allegations around

the vice president former vice president's son. and we have seen facebook and twitter actually acknowledge their involvement in this and they've kind of pulled back a little bit but i mean what's really quite amazing to me is that again we've talked about russia gave in the 1st part of this program all of that was based was not based on any verifiable public sourcing and they let it go on and on and on and on and then when they have a case here and we're all 3 of us are saying allegations i'm not a lawyer i'm not looking at the direct evidence myself i'm looking at reporting on it and i will judge for myself but even that they don't want you to do that's what makes this very very serious and very very dangerous in a people don't say something and be heard it will become a trend go ahead. well basically if you woke up. against the so-called conspiracy theorists and pay it just very strange almost

lawful i mean i'm caught young if you go. the conspiracy theory is kuwait that there is that criminal organization. involving the clintons a bomber and they use vestment banker george soros who are doing something bad to the world well everyone who has access to newspapers can see that maybe there is no secret organization but they share the same ideology the clintons a bomber and soros they supported the same eagle coups in georgia in yugoslavia in ukraine you know and they all the support them in the same words in the same ways for the same reasons and it's public knowledge so a g 8 policemen were killed in 2014 during the so-called peaceful my done before the legally elected president was toppled and instead of apologizing these people

say the crash invaded ukraine out of nothing. without any pretext so. when they. accuse someone they excuse either their opponents or the messenger you know the one that no one of a little bit like you do tremendous damage to it is bad but you know for example the s.p.o. magazine. called saroj event name me one of their facebook phoned us saying that something i called something should be done because social networks now operate in like chemical industry in the 1950 s. they're poisoning everything around themselves they grab huge profits and down a lot and they're refusing to have any control over them well just recently we've heard from facebook and from a primary can politicians know what imitations are on the internet should be imposed in china in russia you know the congress well basically in russia there are

almost no limitations you know you can read or impressed you can read people claim and they can boil them to navarre and it's not preachy but that it's not labeled we don't know such a thing as all. you know even something it's just i haven't seen it in russia i've seen it congress off in the american internet so it's a very strange story. and a sad strange it's very easy to explain i think you're george i mean isn't you know the interesting thing is that if we look at ghent at the controversy surrounding the former vice president's ok with what these major social networks are doing they're putting up. barriers on all sides ok and what they want to do it's an instrument to maintain the status quo this is what this is all about humane change the people in power ok in any one thats rennes that

status quo of the ruling and leads will be challenged and because of than the nature of the technology you can beat disappear i mean you've just gone from the ether ok and it's it's ideologically driven but it's also you know in a sense class driven to ok to protect. people's. assets and properties and things like as when they want to do it this ruling class wants to reproduce itself ok based on their ideas of merit and they don't want anybody else coming in and you know what these internet companies are perfect for these people to maintain their power in position ok the fascinating thing is that we always think about technology is evolution in changing in the next room illusional it right now no these people are start status quo people go ahead george yes that's right and it goes back 220162016 was

a profound shock to the global elites trumps shock victory in the united states the exit referendum in the u.k. and from that moment on appeal. crash a group only internet companies i mean because up until then the internet companies were basically you know they left they had a pretty much a laissez faire attitude. because it seemed like most of the obama isn't would go on forever and from that moment on there's suddenly the politicians the media started telling me it is your fault you did it you allowed hootin to manipulate you you allow trump and only conspiracy theorist around trump to manipulate you you allow the bricks if he is to manipulate you you better get to shape up or you will be in trouble and the internet companies who are more powerful than any company that has ever been in the history of the world i mean sound at all 80 and see where nothing of powerful is google facebook and twitter i mean they control the flow of

information throughout the world. that thick pile and once they decide who gets on the platform and who and how we can manipulate the algorithm so that no one can actually find you on google then of course you know they went abbott and so when he saw that oh it will just deny space to the holocaust deniers oh well we'll just deny do the neo nazis then lower just deny to alex jones it was step by step because they knew that oh it was fine you know that's a good idea but we we don't want to give space to the novices but then of course it doesn't expand it will be denied the people who are opposed to vaccines will deny platform to the people who expressed skepticism about the coronavirus will deny now space to people who transmit information about the biden and now we got a point when even the president of the united states this campaign has closed down

the presidents of press secretaries close down so they are totally involved in this election campaign. and this is this is a. you know literally on what organization what they're doing what they're doing to which is very very interesting is that they are these social media networks they're in a position to choose winners and choose losers ok they will choose who the public can have access to what happened to the new york post is a very good example i like to remind our viewers alexander hamilton established that publication in some one of the longest running publications in america and and of course you know it it's very salacious it's a murdoch operation right now but it still has real journalists there the article that they presented the evidence they found on hunter but what's what what what

really terrifies me is that if they'd have taken it upon themselves to pick winners and losers what do you need to mock receive for they they decide to go ahead well you are right though for some conspiracy theorists is the double impunity for all of the conspiracy thoughts i mean the. you know the whole impeachment thing was based on an exam go vind bounce in my the so-called facts you know a whole called presentation you know is facts being fact they know and he was placed on a military base and his family was protected that's how do you more chris she walks you know. and and sound hollow it or they all do bonked i mean trungpa still in power and that is how do women get law is not facing any questions you know how come he made all these allegations then i'll quote him this big. there are many

claims in the internet any corny bar it will be called in the vatican and opus dei before she makes any judge issue decisions well it's baloney but he's saying you want punished for the. oh no and they can continuation all and brushes behind everything everything you know everywhere you have russians well basically if you want if you want to know why it may be or became weaker it's not because trump is crazy it's because of the trumps election the european union had a summit meeting where they pronounced them arrogant president and the russian president to be a court threats to european security so this huge conspiracy theory which is basically breaking alliances this conspiracy theory about some secret link between putin and trump it is these conspiracy theory that is key to nato alliance because how can trump trust these people who basically have

a consensus declared in the president all the lead states for the 1st day when history and threat to european security or the hebrew are said something like red of course through it was a threat to see a bright but otherwise i don't remember any cases when european politicians will say and how can president you know he's dangerous he's a threat to us well and trouble is an ideological threat because we criticize you my lord and i think he deserves criticism mikey is not a model that ideology will say they cannot just come down and except that you know they they are using every weapon against him bad as he is you know george you know we've talked about the power of these of these companies and unprecedented power but you know it seems to me that they're timid they're very timid people ok they're afraid of people thinking they're afraid of people drawing their own conclusions i mean you know people who criticize you know different experiments of socialism is the nanny state ok this is really what it is it's it's the the net any internet

it's the mini information's fear where it will all be controlled or you'll be in a school said ok or in. nancy pelosi say we feed the people don't get them believe that she said that but that's the mentality of these elites we feed the people go ahead yes yes and of course if you look at the people who stop these companies there was always. democratic operatives members of the obama administration or at senior positions within the d.n.c. these are the people who will then decide what we can see and i mean that. they never did because they're all the politicians i mean they they had beautiful caught out of complete impunity which you know it never have been claiming to be this. they are not only neutral and of course they're right but this is not going

to be taken away from them and that's our right that the government is going to come off of them way dan. for a few years anyway against microsoft so you're basically among all bullets it seems to me and again i go back to might be for this is that you know these companies are in the service of status for their own wealth and influence for example and the politicians that will do their bidding here so it seems to mean that you know obviously these companies are monopolies and should be broken up but the throwing his favorite word ideology song is there in the ideological service of these people i don't think they're going to go down the path of antitrust gentlemen would run out of time on a day i guess in budapest and moscow i don't think our viewers for watching us here are to see a next time remember. americans

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