it's in the play and meet the mormon now not just with the pen demo it can be an app and they make a tradition that's having that also as you say the climate crisis which is easily the the greatest threat facing human civilization the question is i'm going to be radical enough and going to be bold enough to take the kind of steps and starts as i have to be done to mean those crises you know at the moment trying simply is not i'm not there he has binal of the endemic and of course is really just putting the fuel on the fire of the all the climate crisis mess i think so larry some people are kind of looking at biden and and saying that he was lead into easy living in the past has not to some specifics i mean he seems to be able to guarantee through the pollsters haven't mass time out from african-american communities in the u.s. just tell me about his record was he for racially segregated schools or

a not because i know you say my 990 back to every racist anti busing measure including bill from jesse helms biting shame of agent paul 6 just at the sort of christening of the new deal the political order that had been put in place by franklin roosevelt and survived for you know a good 34 decades maybe 5 depending on what was the definition you want to use by the 70s that starts a kind of 4 part because of a variety of factors and all the body came in and then 72 are running a campaign that was what you might describe as kind of broadly economically populist you know running and protecting its spending social security analysts other stuff criticizing corporations for avoiding taxes by night 75 he sense of the winds were shifting the political winds were shifting and so he sharply turned a whole host of issues on one of which is things like crime and. actually busing

which people are familiar with that bussing was a form of receipt to show for a cigar geisha in decades of segregation. aims true take kids black it's in black neighborhoods in boston it's rooted only white schools and also some cases through the offices of us white kids the black schools there's a lot of. anger and tension about those conservatives really made it a key issue or a kind of a wedge issue or that they used to. attack the new deal water and by then realized basically in delaware which is a conservative state kind of a it's a northern state but it was a slave owning state has a. deep legacy of racism he faces a lot of pushback from his conservative constituents in the like that their kids are being bussed to so that's a black schools and he has said you know well look i can see which way this is going and he so it became

a sort of very vehemently. anti busing politician and it's not just busing he also or really was one of the chief architects of the mass incarceration our system that has of course the dominantly. black and brown communities and then it's the it's and there's a whole host of other things you know as a as a decade's war on the the economy a liberal consensus that reagan into place deepened and became more entrenched and i hated i mean using having to be canceled welfare reform to b.k. he voted for reagan's landmark a budget to cut or eliminate health education and social services programs you know saying by the mean a things he's writing a plan to cut $100000000000.00 more more than reagan slashing medicare and social security i mean how is it that he has now seem hey how is it that someone like angela davis could be on this show saying. biden i know he's not great but you know he's the best hope you say that he had

a friend that strong firm and was his friend that's the races then that repressed and segregationist. yeah that's part of biden's kind of view of the senate and of senate told this he's kind of clubby culture where the ideas the political differences are really important even if they're really vile and terrible political differences what's really important is is kind of being civil to each other and so he made a big coin and big show of the fact that he was friends with strong of them and when thurmond died he was one of the few that actually went to his funeral. that the reason that people are saying now you have to have a biden is not because people have any sort of allusions about revive knows it was regulars and you know. certainly people have tried to make the case that actually he's going to be the next franklin roosevelt which i you know if i'm very doubtful but that's not the case and they the case is that in the lord political system of the united states you really only have 2 choices you either have

a choice of trunk or biden in trouble is really as bad as viner's troubles worse than practically every issue now obviously the united states has been watching the supreme court of the united states at hearings for a a macone barack i mean as as a supreme court nominations and joe biden why is no one ever talking about his support for clarence thomas even after the anything else sex allegations little known his support for judge scalia. has in my opinion been a bit of a unofficial can in a lot of the mainstream press the united states on reporting. very critically about biden or scrutinizing him a mean. he's really use the coronavirus and demick to hide away from the press to not take questions to avoid interviews it's something that people are now starting to talk about a lot more intently into for

a long time because the mention of this is a this is a very smart strategy it's very clever the way he's avoiding us for his and what inspired me and i think it's a matter of that just. to hear about him not back in the court not to have his history lawyer not taking the call but there's a lot of stuff there's a lot of things in this record that people have kind of politely avoided talking about in this election has really become a trump and not really about biden you know biden that's probably at this point one of the least scrutinized candidates in history at least i can remember and i think it's a bit of a hangover from the 2016 election where i think the media in the united states saw themselves as the reason that hillary clinton lost and the trump won the because they were sore critical and let's be clear if they had a lot of things to be critical of him for but because there was sort of critical of they feel that they ended up having trump image and i think that there is a feeling that they have to avoid doing so at this time and so you're right things like his support for clarence thomas there and you mentioned things like his

support for example welfare reform which said welfare reform in the mid ninety's that it does not get mention either you know has his role in voting for nafta and supporting it a whole host of things you know even as his policy on the war on terror he was really key. in that entire infrastructure being built that's been left in a way senator think again it's going to want to essentially a referendum a trial what specifically on welfare i know this book goes into detail about his support for the for the failed war on drugs he was a kind of a. trendsetter for the failed war on drugs where was he coming from on the on welfare. so i'm probably in the united states really became hillary racialized from the sixty's on was and there was this idea and that was really cemented into place and again as long as by by reagan in the marine 1000 eighties that welfare

disproportionately was it was a thing that only really helped black people and that it made people lazy and that actually all just 7. people and again that in the popular measure african-american people were taking advantage of the system and there was a need to reform and to make a list generous so that people would not be avoiding work that was the theory was is completely bunk it's a good it's a complete mess that that was what conservatives consoled to the public through the eighty's and ninety's and i sex until clinton finally signs and syrian's of isis welfare reform that basically says the federal government is going to take care of offering more it's going to give money to the states and states can figure out how they want to implement welfare why didn't i just voted for that but he was actually one of the key democrats who was pushing for that in the mid ninety's. you know as a in the that time was very conservative period and it was seen as advantageous

true to what people triangulate to kind of approach right wing positions and this was actually welfare reform that was one of the positions in rich who was the architect of the kind of republican comeback in the ninety's ok with the race and all perhaps it means that when obama. presumably choosing him to be vice president he ignored the comment from biden saying obama is the fust mainstream african-american who is articulate and bright and clean biden. i think has picked for a lot of reasons has been really prominent one is that basically not only does he want someone who has already been think is going to run for president and sort of have his own ambitions of course and not be. drawing. on the chagrin but also was that if he picked someone who was kind of white and more concerned an older white consider man that he would get some people lord you may be able to speak to the idea of having

a black president true much attention is paid to siri martin's comments and you know they get me wrong they are also. offensive. but i think people need to pay more to the actual polls i think the problem with biden and frankly with trump is not their rhetoric it's all of the things they say it's a things that they do it's a way that the whole season they've implemented respectable careers that really hurt african-americans and latinos and the whole who are sick or something that is the big issue. stuff you that more from the author of yesterday's man the case against joe biden after this break plus photography for the mass of an unsafe. it's an amazing country with

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the media and government used to leak if you disagree with the official narrative you're told a conspiracy theorist never mind many official narrative actually are too serious and is big ticket war with. welcome back i'm still here with the author of yesterday's man the case against joe biden bronco market which some may know the name du pont because of agent orange that was dropped on vietnam in the us war that killed millions that was biden's relationship to dupont what is his relationship to corporations even before he supported the destruction of the glass steagall act that arguably created the 2008 crisis you know delaware is the corporate state and spin as you say dominated by

the family for generations you really can't find faults experience here cross to do come fairly recent delaware. and biden he drew injured on employees to stuff a sin alva's he met regularly with the typical person he was actually even at when he criticized corporations oh it's true you always want to make sure to say well the ducal company those different daleys pay the tax and that kind of thing and it's all just appalling i mean the saying that people have to understand that they came in by his career as a result of this was the bankruptcy bill that he supported that was signed by george bush which was really done at the behest of credit card companies like him be a name. which was as biggest donor hired as son i want to since it was actually more headlines house at one point. and their piece of legislation made it more difficult for middle class families particularly to declare bankruptcy because of

it and imposed a means test on who could file for a stent type of bankruptcy and start you know things are gloss to go as well that was definitely i think with an eye on what would benefit banks and credit card companies and elsewhere and you know we can see that an increase occurrence here is took 5 unseats and is now poised to play a really important role in his administration potentially chris koreans really does the bidding of the big pharmaceutical companies of delaware. that are stake context i think is really key to understanding not just biden but maybe some of the policies that will be pursued in that of his e.m.p. and they deny any wrongdoing dupont denies that he wrongdoing usually settles with no liability and it always act appropriately but you know suffice to suggest that it was biden who personally told obama to water down the much criticized on the

left let alone the right obamacare in a way that would benefit more big pharmaceutical companies. well barton i think has been billing relationship with the idea of health care reform in the ninety's when when clinton began during his term to health care reform as is during the 2nd health care for biden as one of the people there was a bit of a thorn and sorry i was even and documents produced by the clinton administration that was noted as a as an issue that might be taken lots of money from health insurance coverage sitting behind to commence by telling a bomber comes along. he runs on the public option of the next health insurance option i think it's not an idea that bio was really enthusiastic about we are not there was a bombing really and in the end of course they ended up dropping it. because of health insurance other health care industry opposition to it strangely biden is now running on the public option and it's kind of unclear whether he's actually going through all or through on it he has these is what we see in the primary saying

aren't the public option in place since i was taking a lot of money from pharmaceuticals which oppose this it remains to be seen what exactly are these health care people see will be once he gets into trouble i say charm things you know trump obviously has said he was to get the one big pharmaceutical companies he certainly did pay back arguably maybe not on purpose the weapons industry in the united states you say he he stacks the senate foreign relations committee with pro war voices before the iraq war but but you say in the book he backed reagan strikes on libya that killed scores of civilians the invasion of and the british commonwealth island grenada the war on panama he even back money for death squads he backed of course the destruction of yugoslavia what sort of foreign policy can we expect from a man who actually on the record has said he wants to make putin pay for russia's

foreign policy during this campaign. in some ways i think we can expect a return to bomb era polls if you look at the people who are surrounding biden in terms of the phone policy advisors i think those are really the key. the key indicator of what's actually going to happen in his administration and a lot in a film about what people might think biden has shown some at least of late some great tendency towards not intervention the a powers for example the invasion of libya and. the assassinations of the modern for instance where saddam had been of course although he was also a firm proponent of obama's counterterrorism policy which was and it's a combined drone warfare with kind of special forces strikes you know which is still obviously very aggressive function of chaman as a someone was skeptical alteration 'd running on the going to use of our trying to

get used to and out and saying i'm against the vietnam war by the eighty's when reagan comes in he saw the turn to the right in the national politics they said well you know we just we have to become more like reagan and so we decided to stop what you're supporting reagan's various military actions but as you say the ninety's keys or the warning and of course the iraq war when people say that biden's could have been in the middle of a party generally i think that the secrete i think is always been on the conservative in the party however there is truth the fact that he has kind of fall of the political winds quite a bit particular foreign policy so are you know it remains to be seen we may see a more noninterventionist president biden if he wins even one who's more into noninterventionist than obama was but i would not stress it is going to be that much difference between the obama and the fight in foreign policy ok well he's chosen kemal arris who was making fiery not ations of biden about

a sexual impropriety during the primaries. who's become democratic candidate just tell me given that julian assange is the founder of wiki leaks is up the road here in belmarsh prison what is his view about leaking information in the public interest. the idea of a transparency and the and the very idea of the patriot act which you now have in the united states. you know unfortunately when it comes to leaking or it comes to really civil liberties in general there has been a longstanding bipartisan missed indifference at worst hostility to all these things biden has been no exception now he supported some pretty draconian crackdowns and because in the 70s in the eighty's i think you see in the book some say that he when he went by didn't want to go further than the cia did he took some stance is that even the cia chief said well you know we don't want to go quite that

far because under obama biden was pretty. as far as i've seen i don't see anything to conjure his reason bordered by bombs war on whistleblowers. and and was very hostile it was true in signs from wiki leaks out expect that's of concern you i mean trump has really carried on obama's legacy of of aggressively taking also laws and i don't 'd see why that might ministration do anything different than one thing that we could say is that obama ultimately shied away from really fully trust securing assad because i think he realized what that would mean for press freedoms in the united states and i expect biden would do the same however it will be years before there's a question of whether i should be a prosecutor in the united states meantime a songes unfortunately i have to say going to be can change we be tortured in the

u.k. as a legal system of the way he is now and asking a question on the patriot act this is also why he says has been shit on biden was a really key supporter all of them actually author of several provisions that ends up being in the picture. actually brag analogy thousands the people that you know i was the guy who wrote the patriot act and that site in the ninety's he wrote some legislation that was and still is was just russia's really really trigger county and for example it limited heavy a school. the space shuttle and some of something else and ninety's it was a recycled into thousands when sept 11th happened as part of the patriot act rego modish hank you well the last 2 decades of the u.s. patriot act have arguably shown populations that none of the data is safe from predators a government agency so why do so many of us still share our deepest secrets through our mobile devices this is the subject of a new collection of works hash tag n.y.c. by award winning your base photographer jeff mermelstein going on the ground up again to charlie cook caught up with him to discuss that hi jeff thanks so much

coming on going on and on just by telling me about your new book my new book hashtag n.y.c. is the. culmination of approximately 2 and a half years of work. rendering. images of people's. phone screens in which there are text messages i came upon. the the idea and the entity of the images on phone screens as being terribly interesting on many levels. but its message is now a communication so much through often through this pandemic what do you learn about the way we communicate and sat by looking at so many different massive cross-section of people phone screens there's a lot to learn and there's a lot more to learn and i've learned a lot and i will learn a lot. but some of the immediate thoughts. would include

a kind of interconnectedness humanity of us people that i came upon texts from sperry many different times and very many different individuals that kind of had a similar. point to it be it relationships or ending of relationships they need a word it comes to my mind a further delight. in the current mess of energies and and and the construction of text messages as being reflective. ideas and thoughts that we make to each other and it's just a very in the moment thing and i don't know how long 'd it's going to last but that moment is still 'd there right now getting to the point you made about how much we shall because we know from people like edward snowden even the government can can access all text messages that exist on t.v. set about how easy it is for all information on a day to

a very private lives to be out in the open i definitely agree when you're out in the public on the street. we are being observed and not only that out in the public on the street but even when we're on our phones or talking to syria and our own homes we are being observed in some kind of technical way i think i'm sure you've been asked before about the ethics of the walk when you were beginning it this project how do you square the kind of potential idea that you're invading people's privacy with creating images well it wasn't an easy. ingredient 'd to engage with but as a street photographer for so long in a way now that there's a little bit of hindsight to the project. in ways there's a lot of relatedness to making pictures people of people you know of people's faces and gestures and bodies from the front without asking permission prior so as as

a street photographer or at least with the kind of street photography that i have that i have primarily partake in and so many of my colleagues as well. there is the ingredient of voyeurism and. and that is either something that it a particular individual can embrace or not and i can embrace it in part because i believe of instinctive reasons natural inborn reasons and also because of intellectual curiosity photographic photographers curiosity an interest in finding out about us i got close and compositionally created a more or less a continuity especially as the project progressed is this something you would consider doing anywhere else or is it something specific to new york do you think is most interesting to the streets of new york and the populous of new york has

been the thrust of my investigation for a long time and the same reasons that i have had that pursuit here i merrily not entirely would hold for this project there is a density a cosmopolitan mixture and a kind of. inherent craziness not neuroses that permeates the streets and people of the streets of new york it is dissimilar from any other place in the world jeff thank you so much deputy evident charlie cook last meeting to award winning photographer jeff momo stein and that's when the show will be back on wednesday 5 years since then place president joe biden announced he would not be running for president in 2016 against fellow new liberal democrat hillary clinton whose political career would terminate with trump after the i think d.n.c. tricks against by the sound is until then you can catch all our interviews on our youtube channel and join the underground by following us from twitter facebook instagram and time.

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