actually investigate the legacy of joe biden from prisons in the war on drugs to the supreme court battles current be playing out across the mainstream media and ask if his potential victory in 2 weeks will do anything to fix the united states and how aware are we have one specific part of joe biden's legacy his support for the patriot act which authorized the massive valence of the u.s. population we speak to award winning photographer jeff momo stein about the death of our privacy all of them are coming up in today's going underground a 1st we're just over 2 weeks away from a u.s. presidential election that will take place amid a global pandemic a looming economic catastrophe and an impending climate crisis the man leading in the polls ahead it all trump like his predecessor hillary clinton is joe biden a seasoned senator who some in the united states see as a potential return to normal after 4 years of trump but is he really the solution the united states needs or has his nearly 50 years in politics been emblematic of the problems that have led the country to this stage for mass incarceration and the

war on drugs to imperialism a new book yesterday's man the case against joe biden looks at the veterans had his career all the way back to his days as a public defender and its author brigham architecture joins me now via skype from cancun ranker thanks so much for coming on biden favored to become president in november he supported by bernie sanders no i'm chomskyan angela davis have been on this show telling people to support biden tell me about the terrifying record of biden in your new book or the main troll boy is that he has been very conservative throughout its entire career and really kind of. created the conditions in many ways to trump's royce. which i think is kind of. the main worry with him is is is he going to be able to step up to the plate and meet the mormon now not just when he penned the american be. christian the same thing but also as you say the climate crisis which is easily the. the greatest threat facing human

civilization the question is i'm going to be radical enough and going to be bold enough to take the kind of steps and start us as i have to be done to mean those crises you know at the moment trying to simply is not i'm not that he has pinal of the endemic and of course is really just putting the fuel on the fire of the all the climate crisis mess i think so larry some people are kind of looking at biden him and saying that he was leader easygoing in the past that's not to some specifics i mean he seems to be able to guarantee through the pollsters have it mass time out from african-american communities in the u.s. just tell me about his record was he for racially segregated schools or a not because i know you say my 990 back to every racist anti busing measure including bill from jesse helms by doing shame of agent paul 6

just at the center christening of the new deal with the political order that had been put in place by franklin roosevelt and survived for you know a good 34 decades maybe 5 depending on what was the definition you want to use by the 70s that starts a kind of 4 part because of a variety of factors and all the body came in and then 70 eight's are running a campaign that was what you might describe as kind of broadly economically populist you know running and protecting its spending social security analysts other kind of stuff chris as a corporation for avoiding taxes is by night 75 he sense of the winds were shifting the political winds were shifting and so he sharply turned a whole host of issues on one of which is things like crime and particularly bussing which people are familiar with that bussing was a form of receipt to show for a cigar geisha in decades of segregation. and. aims to take kids black

it's in black neighborhoods in boston it's rooted only white schools and also some cases through the offices of us white kids the black schools there's a lot of. anger and tension about those conservatives really made it a key issue in a kind of a wedge issue that they used to. attack the new deal water and by then realize basically in delaware which is a conservative state kind of a it's a northern state but it was a slave owning state has a. deep legacy of racism he faces a lot of pushback from his conservative constituents in the like that their kids are being bused to the black schools and he has said you know well look i can see which way this is going and he so it became a sort of very vehemently. busing politician and it's not just busing he also or really was one of the chief architects of the mass incarceration in our system that

has of course the dominantly. black and brown communities and then it's the it's there's a whole host of other things you know as a as a decade's war on the the economy a liberal consensus that reagan into place deepened and became more entrenched and i hated i mean as a having to be canceled welfare reform to b.k. he voted for reagan's landmark a budget to cut or eliminate health education and social services programs you know saying by the may day things he's writing a plan to cut $100000000000.00 more more than reagan slashing medicare and social security i mean how is it that he has now seem hey how is it that someone like angela davis could be on this show saying vote biden i know he's not great but you know he's the best hope you say that he had a friend that strong thurmond was his friend that's the racist then that ray preston segregationist. yeah that's part of biden's kind of view of the senate

and the senate told this he's kind of clubby culture where the ideas the political differences are really important even if they're really vile and terrible political differences what's really important is is kind of being civil to each other and so he made a big point and a big show of the fact that he was friends with strong of them and when thurmond died he was one of the few that actually went to his funeral. that the reason that people are saying now you have to have a biden is not because people have any sort of illusions about providing those of us regulars and you know. so many people have tried to make the case that actually he's going to be the next franklin roosevelt which i you know if i'm very doubtful but that's not the case for him they the case is that in the lord political system of the united states you really only have 2 choices you either have a choice of trunk or biden in trouble is really as bad as viner's troubles worse than practically every issue now obviously the united states has been watching the

supreme court of the united states at hearings for a macone barack i mean as to as a supreme court nominations and joe biden why is no one ever talking about his support for clarence thomas even after the anything else sex allegations little known his support for judge scalia. has in my opinion been a bit of an unofficial can in a lot of the mainstream press the united states on reporting. very critically about biden or scrutinizing him a mean. he's really use the coronavirus and demick to hide away from the press to not take questions to avoid interviews it's something that people are now starting to talk about a lot more intently into for a long time because the mention this of this is a very smart strategy it's very clever the way he's avoiding us for his and what he answered me head i think it's a matter of that just. he about i'm not packing the court not about his history

lawyer not liking the court but there's a lot of stuff there's a lot of things in this record that people have kind of politely avoided talking about in this election has really become a trump and not really about biden you know biden that's probably at this point one of the least scrutinized candidates in history at least i can remember and i think it's a bit of a hangover from the 2016 election where i think the the media in the united states saw themselves as the reason that hillary clinton lost and the trump won the because they were so are critical and let's be clear if they had a lot of things to be critical of him for but because there are a sore critical of they feel that they ended up having trump image and i think that there is a feeling that they have to avoid doing so at this time and so you're right things like his support for clarence thomas there and you mentioned things like his support for example welfare reform which said welfare reform in the mid ninety's that it does not get a mention either you know as his role in voting for nafta and supporting it

a whole host of things you know even as his policy on the war on terror he was really key. in that entire infrastructure being built that's been left in a way senator think again it's going to want to essentially a referendum on trial what specifically on welfare i know this book goes into detail about his support for the for the failed war on drugs he was a kind of a. trendsetter for the failed war on drugs where was he coming from on the on welfare. so i'm probably in the united states really became hillary racialized from the sixty's on was and there was this idea and that was really cemented into place and things learned by the reagan and the marine 180 s. that welfare 'd disproportionately was it was a thing that only really helped black people and that it made people lazy and that

actually all just 7. people and again that in the auto measure african-american people were taking advantage of the system and there was a need to reform and to make a list ringback generous so that people would not be avoiding work that that was the theory was completely bunk it's a good it's a completely left that that is what conservatives can sold to the public through the eighty's and ninety's and i 6 a bill clinton finally signs and series of isis welfare reform that basically says the federal government is going to take care of offering more it's going to give money to the states and states can figure out how they want to implement welfare and buy them but just voted for that but he was actually one of the key democrats who was pushing for that in the mid ninety's. you know as a in the that's harmless very conservative period and it was seen as advantageous true to what people triangulate to kind of approach right wing positions and this was actually welfare reform that was one of the positions in rich who was the

architect of the kind of republican comeback in the ninety's ok with the race. perhaps it means that when obama. presumably choosing him to be vice president he ignored the comment from biden saying obama as the fust mainstream african-american who is articulate and bright and clean biden. i think has broader reason has been really prominent one is that basically not only does he want someone who's already been thinking is going to run for president and sort of have his own ambitions of course and not be. wrong. in the chagrin but also is that if he picked someone who was kind of white and more so than all that were considered meant that he would get some people bored you may be able to speak to the idea of having a black president true much attention is paid to siri barton's comments and you know they get me wrong they are also. offensive. but i think people it's

a pain more to the actual polls i think the problem with biden and frankly with trump is not their rhetoric it's all of the things i say it's a things that they do it's a way that the whole season they've implemented respectable careers that really hurt african-americans and latinos and the whole who are sick or something that is that the big issue. stuff you that more from the author of yesterday's man the case against joe biden after this break plus photography for the mass of an unsaved. and it was a very nice offer from president putin that i could have said no thank you or i

could have said thank you and i said i'll take it and now it's time to introduce myself bestial mr nestor don't challenge thank you says it very much for the. name whatever you want to name i mean i don't know how when i come that news that's dishonest tell it i'll come to that a recorder or a network that's totally dishonest c.n.n. is sensed you know some 100 percent negative i clearly there's a change fast changes so fast sometimes i'll say that's going to be a great story be a pretty good report. there's good as you. will see what happens who knows i always say who knows what we'll see on the film it will be a success. the world is driven by a dreamer shaped person. who

dares thinks. we dare to ask. immediate environment leak if you disagree with the official narrative you're called a conspiracy theorist nevermind many of visual narratives actually are too serious and is big ticket war with. welcome back i'm still here with the author of yesterday's man the case against joe biden bronco market which some may know the name du pont because of agent orange that was dropped on vietnam in the us war that killed millions that was biden's relationship to dupont what is his relationship to corporations even before he

supported the destruction of the glass steagall act that arguably created the 2008 crisis you know delaware is the corporate state and spin as you say dominated by the family for generations you really can get 5 or 6 if you're cross to deplane fairly recent delaware. biden he drew and your own employees to stuff a similar he made regularly with the corporation he was actually even at when he criticized corporations oh it's true you know it makes sure the sakes. well the ducal company those different dailies are the techs and they're kind of thing and it's all just a part i mean the key thing that people have to understand that they came in binds korea as a result of this was the bankruptcy bill that he supported that was signed by george bush which was really done at the behest of cricket companies like m.b. a name which was his biggest donor hired as sun i want to since it is actually more

mines house at one point. and their piece of legislation made it more difficult or middle class families particular to declare bankruptcy because of it and imposed a means test on who could file for a stent type of bankruptcy and start you know things are gloss to go as well that was definitely i think with an eye on what would benefit banks and credit card companies and the bill and you know we can see that an increase occurrence here is took 5 unseats and is now poised to play a really important role in his administration potentially chris koreans really does the bidding of the big pharmaceutical companies of delaware so that their stake context i think is really key to understanding not just biden but maybe some of the policies that will be pursued in the i.c.m.p. and they deny any wrongdoing dupont denies that any wrongdoing usually settles with no liability and always act appropriately but you know suffice to suggest that it

was biden who personally told obama to water down the much criticized on the left let alone the right obama cat in a way that would benefit more big pharmaceutical companies. well barton i think has been battling relationship with the idea of health care reform in the ninety's when when clinton began during his attempt at health care reform as is during the 2nd health care for biden as one of the people there was a bit of a thorn sorry i was even and documents produced by the clinton administration that was noted as a as an issue that might be taken lots of money from health insurance cover sitting behind to commence but telling a bomber comes along. that he runs on the public option of the big health insurance option i think it's not an idea the bio was really enthusiastic about we are not there was a bombing really and in the end of course they ended up dropping it. because of health insurance other health care industry opposition to it strangely biden is now

running on the public option and it's kind of unclear whether he's actually going through all or through on it he has these is what we see in the primary saying i'm going to the public option in place since i was taking a lot of money from pharmaceuticals which oppose this it remains to be seen what exactly part of his health care people see will be once he gets into trouble i say things you know obviously has said he was to get the one big pharmaceutical companies he certainly did pay back arguably maybe not on purpose the weapons industry in the united states you say he he stacks the senate foreign relations committee with pro war voices before the iraq war but but you say in the book he backed reagan strikes on libya that killed scores of civilians the invasion of and the british commonwealth island grenada the war on panama he even back money for death squads he backed of course the destruction of yugoslavia what sort of foreign

policy can we expect from a man who actually on the record has said he wants to make putin pay for russia's foreign policy during this campaign. in some ways i think we can expect a return to bomb era polls if you look at the people who are surrounding biden in terms of the phone policy advisors i think those are really the key. the key indicator of what's actually going to happen in his administration and a lot in a film about what people might think biden has shown some at least of late some great tendency towards not intervention the a powers for example the invasion of libya and. the assassination some of the modern for instance where saddam had been of course although he was also a firm proponent of obama's counterterrorism policy which was it's a combined drone warfare with kind of special forces strikes you know which is

still obviously very aggressive function of chaman as a someone was skeptical alteration 'd running on the going to use of our trying to get used to and out and saying i'm against the vietnam war by the eighty's when reagan comes in he saw the turn to the right in the national politics they said and what you know we just we have to become more like reagan and so he decided to stop what you're supporting reagan's various military actions but as you say the ninety's he's for the morning and of course the iraq war when people say that biden's could have been in the middle of a party generally i think that this agree i think he's always been on the conservative in the party however there is truth a fact that he has kind of followed 'd the political winds quite a bit particular foreign policy so are you know it remains to be seen we may see a more noninterventionist president biden if he wins even one who's more 'd into noninterventionist than obama was but i would not stress it is going to be that

much difference between the obama and the fight in foreign policy ok well he's chosen kemal arris who was making fiery not ations inviting about a sexual impropriety during the primaries. who's become democratic candidate just tell me given that julian assange is the founder of wiki leaks is up the road here in belmarsh prison what is his view about leaking information in the public interest. the idea of a transparency and the and the very idea of the patriot act which you now have in the united states. you know unfortunately when it comes to leaking or it comes to really civil liberties in general there has been a longstanding bipartisan mist and deference hostility to all these things biden has been no exception now he supported some pretty major korean crackdowns

and because in the seventies and the 80s i think you see in the book some say that he when he went by didn't want to go further than the cia did he took some stances that even the cia chief said well you know we don't want to go quite that far because under obama biden was pretty. as far as i've seen i don't see anything to conjure his reasons bordered by bombs war on whistleblowers. and and was very hostile it was true in signs from wiki leaks out expect that's of concern you i mean trump has really carried on obama's legacy of of aggressively taking also laws and i don't 'd see why that might ministration do any difference the one thing that we could say is that obama ultimately shied away from really fully trust securing a side because i think he realized what that would mean for press freedoms in the united states and i expect why he would do the same however it will be years before there's a question of whether i should be prosecuted in the united states meantime

a songes unfortunately i have to say going to be can change we be tortured in the u.k. as a legal system of the way he is now and asking a question on the patriot act this is also why he says has been shown on biden was a really key supporter all of them actually several provisions that end up being in the picture. actually brag analogy thousands the people that you know i was the guy who wrote the patriot act and that site in the ninety's he wrote some legislation that was and still is was a slush is really really a trigger county and for example it limited heavy a school. speech sharply and some of something it's also not is it was a recycled into 2000 when sept 11th happened as part of the patriot act right to mock additional thank you well the last 2 decades of the us patriot act have arguably shown populations that none of the data is safe from predator government agencies so why do so many of us to share our deepest secrets through our mobile

devices this is the subject of a new collection of works hash tag n.y.c. by award winning your base photographer jeff mermelstein going on the ground deputy and to charlie cook caught up with him to discuss that hi jeff thanks so much coming on going on and on just by telling me about your new book my new book hashtag n.y.c. is the. culmination of approximately 2 and a half years of work rendering. images of people's. phone screens in which there are text messages i came upon. the the idea and the entity of the images on phone screens as being terribly interesting on many levels. and begad but its message is now a communication so much through often through this pandemic what do you learn about the way we communicate and sat by looking at so many different massive

cross-section of people's phone screens there's a lot to learn and there's a lot more to learn and i've learned a lot and i will learn a lot. but some of the immediate thoughts. would include a kind of interconnectedness humanity of us people that i came upon texts from very many different times and very many different individuals that kind of had a similar. point to it be it relationships or ending of relationships they need a word it comes to my mind a further delight. in the current mess of energies and and and the construction of text messages as being reflective. ideas and thoughts that we make to each other and it's just a very in the moment thing and i don't know how long it's going to last but that moment is still 'd there right now do you think is a point to be made about how much we shall because we know from people like edward

snowden even the government can can access all text messages they think that's on t.v. sad about how easy it is for all information on a day to a very private lives to be out in the open i definitely agree when you're out in the public on the street. we are being observed and not only that out in the public on the street but even when we're on our phones or talking to syria in our own homes we are being observed in some kind of technical way i think i'm sure you've been asked before about the ethics of the walk when you were beginning it this project how do you square the kind of potential idea that you're invading people's privacy with with creating the images well it wasn't an easy. ingredient 'd to engage with but as a street photographer for so long in a way now that there's a little bit of hindsight to the project. in ways there's a lot of relatedness to making pictures people of people you know of people's faces

and gestures and bodies from the front without asking permission prior so as as a street photographer or at least with the kind of street photography that i have that i have primarily partake in and so many of my colleagues as well there is the ingredient of voyeurism and. and that is either something that it a particular individual can embrace or not and i can embrace it in part because i believe of instinctive reasons natural inborn reasons and also because of intellectual curiosity photographic photographers curiosity an interest in finding out about us i got close and compositionally created a more or less a continuity especially as the project progressed is this something you would

consider doing anywhere else or is it something specific to new york do you think is most interesting to the streets of new york and the populous of new york has been the thrust of my investigation for a long time and the same reasons that i have had that pursuit here i merrily not entirely would hold for this project there is a density a cosmopolitan mixture and a kind of. inherent craziness if not neuroses that permeates the streets and people the streets of new york that is dissimilar from any other place in the world jeff thank you so much deputy editor charlie cook last meeting to award winning photographer jeff momo stein and that's in the show will be back on wednesday 5 years since then vice president joe biden announced he would not be running for president in 2016 against fellow new liberal democrat hillary clinton whose political career would terminate with trump off today if you d.n.c.

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