hello and welcome to cross town where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle the media environment is bleak if you disagree with the official narrative you're called a conspiracy theorist never mind many official narratives actually are conspiracy theories and is big tech at war with the populace. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest george samueli in budapest he's an author and you tube read the gavel and in moscow we're joined by dmitri bobbitt she

is a political analyst and editor and host me internet media project our gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it i want to be me here in moscow as i said in my introduction if you disagree with the official narrative somehow you're a conspiracy theorist but over the last few years and particularly i have in mind russia gate ukraine gate even go further with saddam and weapons of mass destruction being the there's plenty of official conspiracy theories that have been thoroughly debunked but a many of the conspiracy theories that i consider conspiracy theories in the official discourse are there's no even attempt to acknowledge that they can be debunked. oh well you are absolutely right because look just started from. facebook. even due to the shutdown.

hundreds of thousands of accounts of people connected to what these companies declared to be conspiracy theories organizations you know i won't name them not to give advertising to them but everybody knows these names you know the mainstream media reports about them every day and if you look at the theories for which these groups were paralyzed or biased basically every one of them has some. kind of shadow in religion like ok it's a conspiracy theory that the western rule or world is ruled by paedophiles who are iranian you know child safety child sex trade yes that's a conspiracy theory but geoffrey epstein exist that and he is circle exist and is this circle included people from there what we can call high society so why can't people just you know make their all conclusions and go all further

that's absolute in nature oh. and the problem with the conspiracy conspiracy theory is spread by the mainstream media is that they're not based in reality at all they're based on ideology for example. you know saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction he was a maniac who wanted to destroy the world that was a huge conspiracy theory but no one shoves down new york times twitter accounts no one says you i to us how many times did new york times report that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and so for hours and sometimes tens of thousands of women they got those say it's not a conspiracy theory and mr trump is a liar you should be labeled and then you advance would continue business as usual right i go only to find peace leg up you'll surprises in the promotions and they were just. keep up the ladder for

a spreading their false narratives here you know this is the limit george i mean. in this is all the media's fault i mean let's just look at coded i mean you can get a one hour one hour of prime time and go to every single major cable station and they have their own their panel of medical experts but they all say different things ok i mean what are people supposed to believe and because they can't believe the official narratives they're going to try to make conclusions themselves that's only natural and the monthly over the last couple of days the way social media platforms of behave no wonder people start thinking unthinkable and mean sometimes and reasonable things because they feel they're being lied to. that's absolutely right but at its merits the beer is a server 2 basic purpose which is use the media your opponents as of conspiracy theory and so you say oh i'm. a poor ridiculousness here's the theory is

that joe biden was involved with you don't really crane and influence peddling and trying to get a prosecutor. because you want to protect is something that's a conspiracy theory. when you say that barack obama was spying on the trunk campaign that's a conspiracy theory but as dimmock went to that. no mom hussein had weapons of mass destruction and even more seriously that he was involved in the $911.00 terrorist attack that apparently is not a conspiracy there this is the claim that modern day to. fix the 2016 election for 'd donald trump which the media have been claiming i think they do it to this day that's not a conspiracy theory. the claim that hunter biden last saw all the e-mails that have just recently emerged. a product of

a russian this information that's not a conspiracy so so that where you are you are allowed to put forward your conspiracy theory was me airing your opponent as being a conspiracy theory. if you look at the new york times how many times there was a conspiracy theory all day every day innumerable stories used to it is there is it there about whom about the people that they politically donald trump is a puppet or a conspiracy but no no we've been your time not to do when we say that but i'm a budget controls every single thing in the well that's not a conspiracy very good you know demon you can compare this is a controversy surrounding joe biden's son hunter and then we can compare it to to rush again so rush again is based on anonymous sources exclusively minimum is sources and. and flimsy and even fabricated dossiers

ok that were paid for for and they all had that and the dossier had a political aim ok to discredit and that's called opposite position research and happens all the time. but opposition research that isn't usually used to impeach someone ok but in the case of the the main the bike family i mean there are calendars there are people in admitted that they met my. he transfers and you know i mean there's a lot of you know me you know those bones the dark about what russian gate was all up in the clouds built you know i counsel floating in miraculously in the clouds here but you know one conspiracy theory and the other one is debunked but i mean you know and then where the journalist in the whole of the not i mean it was a pretty ugly car so in the quads that's quite a spade a spade i think people should be named and shamed in this case i mean christopher a steals dorsy

a claim that russian 1 prostitutes or any of them sounds on drugs had when he was in moscow and that was completely below and there was nothing behind it. but you know these dossier is still mentioned and the mainstream media not only in the united states by you know. media outlets like dish spiegel magazine in it in germany all i know more and in france they continue saying that russians stole their american election by placing ads on facebook for them out of $100000.00 or less you know so these are just absolutely incredible lies i mean allies had said simply don't make much as i told you you know the so-called popular conspiracy theorists you know there are many conspiracy theories about coronavirus well because the theme who looks absurd specious that's why you have these

yes nice sometimes about corona mafia or corona craziness corona grease in nature all that people create such theories the conspiracy theories of the mainstream media are based on the ideology like poetry and poison not only i don't think so because no one else was interested in poisoning hume well i mean there were several very strange deaths or. western belief. but if you sense in the last few years like r.j. lepper who was called polish you can also get someone to go out so depressed that he had himself in his all models and no one is asking questions you know your kaido who was who was the black sheep of european politics you know the you can be and wise men smeaton's to see how he has influenced would become faint and then he just drove his car badly and walked into an accident and died who was interested in this of course no one you know but we're not bali yes all the pushing was interested in

that you could do it so this is all based on made you all would say this is all based on on demonizing certain people like you say a lot of bad things some bought some foreign leader and then something happens and then you say who else well i mean this is laziness as well ok i mean if there is that it's open to the many of these people does have a default position that they're not really interested in facts ok they they're interested in how you can perpetuate their political agenda here in georgia it's like you know another one that keeps circulating around even though it's been debunked is the bounty hunters in afghanistan where you can't the highest serving general american general and he has gone public and yes now it's about 3 or 4 weeks ago saying that he has heard nothing of this there's he hasn't there's the yes no knowledge of this which but still in the us

a political campaign the presidential campaign it's still being circulated i mean so even if you go to the very source ok it's soldiers being killed by how a band that are being paid by the russians of it and they whittled it down to someone a soldier a former soldier or someone someone associated with the iraqi government that is 100 percent dependent on the united states and trump wants to get out and so all of a sudden this storm. get circulated and then it can get it gets down to well maybe where you shouldn't leave afghanistan when the american public overwhelmingly wants that to happen but see that conspiracy continued to supply it to flow because it has political advantages for some. yeah that's exactly right and and you notice that even the in last week's the town hall debate biden again came up with this comes about the the bounty and of course the moderator george stephanopoulos did

nothing to correct him none of the fact checkers did anything to correct their senate the tammy duckworth just about every day tweets out something about our how many days of pasta you 1st heard about the the bounties on the u.s. soldiers and still donald trump hasn't said anything about it so it just has momentum of its own it doesn't it doesn't matter that it's been debunked apparently it's perfectly reasonable to peddle this sort of number of and in fact the whole russia gate thing is still people still peddling this thing about how russia is interfered in the 26000 election and beyond with donald trump and the you know and that somehow the 26000 election result was tainted by russia no evidence has ever been presented i mean every single thing that we have learned since when you 16 as sure that there really there was no russian intervention except for it what it did prove though we're going to go to a break real quick what it did prove is that this was

a conspiracy ok but they didn't prove it ok so instead of coal when we debunk it where conspiracy there is when when they were refused to rebut us you know that they they believe that their narrative how's about you because they will they won't debate around that jump in here gentlemen will you go to a short break it down for lunch or break we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with arkie. when else so seemed wrong. why don't we all just don't hold. any world to see her out of this deal. to come out to it and. it was betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground.

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welcoming to crossed up where all things are considered donkey roll a bell to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let's go back to the i'm a a here in moscow you know in looking at what the. what's happening to the internet in these platforms critically of facebook and twitter and then we can throw in google here we've seen particularly in the last weeks the last few days last week where they were very very stridently interfered into the political process and were talking about the growing scandal and allegations around the vice president former

vice. president sun. i think we have seen facebook and twitter actually knowledge their their involvement in this and they've kind of pulled back a little bit but i mean what's really quite amazing to me is that again we've talked about russia gave in the 1st part of this program all of that was based with not based on any verifiable public source thing and they let it go on and on and on in on and then when they have a case here and we're all 3 of us are saying allegations i'm not a lawyer i'm not looking at the direct evidence myself i'm looking at reporting on it and i will judge for myself but even that they don't want you to do that's what makes this very very serious and very very dangerous and if people don't say something and be heard it will become a trend go ahead jim. well basically if you look at some what they use agents against the so-called conspiracy theorists then it's just very strange

almost laughable i mean i'm quoting look you go here the conspiracy theory school a name that there is a criminal organization involved in the clintons a bomb and they use vestment banker george soros who are doing something bad to the world well everyone who has access to newspapers can see that maybe there is no secret organization but they share the same ideology the clintons a bomber and soros they supported the same eagle coots in georgia in yugoslavia in ukraine you know and they all the support them in the same words in the same ways for the same reasons and it's public knowledge so a g 8 policemen were killed in 2014 during the so-called peaceful on my dime before the legally elected president will stop all and instead of apologizing these people

say that crossing. they did ukraine out of nothing. without a new pretext so. when they. accuse someone they excuse either their opponents or the messenger you know there was no one of a little bit of that you do tremendous i mean it is bad but you know for example the s.p.l. magazine. called sir roger monk name me one of the facebook phoned us saying that something i called something should be done because social networks now operate in like chemical industry in the 1950 s. and their poison everything their own themselves they grab huge profits and outlawed and they're refusing to have any control over that well just recently we've heard from facebook and from a primary can politicians that know what imitations are on the internet should be imposed in china in russia you know the congress well basically in russia there are

almost no limitations you know you can read or impressed you can read people claim and they can boil them to novel needs not pre-game but that it's not labeled we don't know such a thing as or a ball you know label in something at least i haven't seen it in russian internet i've seen it hundreds of times in the american internet so it's a very strange story clearly a little bit of a kind of strange it's very easy to explain i think you're georgia mean is that you know the interesting thing is that if we look again at the the controversy surrounding the former vice president ok well these major social networks are doing they're putting up. barriers on all sides ok and what they want to do it's an instrument to maintain the status quo this is what this is all about humane change the people in power ok and anyone that threatens the

status quo of the ruling elites. we'll be challenged and because of than the nature of the technology you can beat disappear i mean you just go on from the ether ok and it's it's ideologically driven but it's also you know in a sense class driven to ok to protect. people's. assets and properties and things like as when they want to do it this ruling class wants to reproduce itself ok based on their ideas of merit and they don't want anybody else coming in and you know what these internet companies are perfect for these people to maintain their power in position ok the fascinating thing is that we always think about technology is evolution in changing in the next room illusional it right now no these people are start status quo people go ahead george yes that's right and it goes back 220162016 was

a profound shock to the global elites trumps shock victory in the united states the . referendum in the u.k. and from that moment on the oppression grew on the internet companies because up and up until that the internet companies were basically you know they let their to pretty much a laissez faire attitude. because it seemed like it was a leap obama isn't would go on forever and from that moment on there's something in the politicians the media started telling you it is your fault you did this you allowed hootin to manipulate you you're allowed trump and only a conspiracy theorist around trying to manipulate you are you allowed the bricks it is to manipulate you you better get your shape up or you will be in trouble and the internet companies who are more powerful than any company that has ever been in the history of the world i mean sound that oil 18 c. with nothing a powerful is google facebook and twitter i mean they could. well the flow of

information throughout the world it's fantastic power and once they decide that who gets on our platform and who and how we can manipulate the algorithm so that no one can actually find you on google and of course you know they they went at it and so when it started over we'll just deny space to the holocaust deniers oh well we'll just deny to the neo nazis then well we'll just deny to alex jones it was step by step because they knew that oh let us fight you know we were you know that's a good idea you know we we don't want to give space to the knobs it but then of course it started expanding well they deny the people who are opposed to vaccines well will deny a platform to the people who express skepticism about the coronavirus what will deny now space to people who transmit information about hunter biden and stone and now we've got a point when even the president of the united states this campaign. is closed down

the presidents of press secretaries close down so they are totally involved in this election campaign and there's a this is a i mean all literally all good organization what they're doing what they're doing to email which is very very interesting is that they are these these social media networks they're in a position to choose winners and choose losers ok they will choose who the public can have access to or what happened to the new york post is a very good example i like to remind our viewers alexander hamilton established that publication in some one of the longest alum running publications in america and and of course you know it has it's very salacious it's a murdoch operation right now but it still has real journalists there the article that they presented the evidence they found on hunter but what's what what

really terrifies me is that if they do. i've taken it upon themselves to pick winners and losers and what do you need democracy for they say decide go ahead jim well you are right though punishment for some conspiracy theories is a double twist impunity for all other conspiracy i mean the. you know the whole oh impeachment thing was based on an exam go didn't bounce in my so-called facts you know show all presentation you know is facts. in fact they know it and because placed on a military base and his family was protected that's how democracy works you're not . and somehow it was all due bunked i mean trungpa still in power and that is under women did not is not facing any questions you know how close you may go these allegations that i am quoting of the 62. there are many claims in the

internet that any corny borrowed will be calling in the vatican and all those damned before she makes any judicial decisions well below any mark even you are punished for this bone and they can use the continuation oh and rush is behind everything everything you know everywhere you have russians well basically if you want if you want to know why nato became weaker it's not because trump is crazy is because after trump selection the european union had a summit meeting where they pronounced the american president and the russian president to be quote threats to european security so this huge conspiracy theory which is basically breaking the lives of this conspiracy theory about some secret link between putin and trump it is these conspiracy theory that is key to nato alliance because how can trump trust these people who basically had

a consensus declared in the press. you don't although laden states for the 1st day when history and threat to european security or the heat was said something like red of course through it was a threat to see a bright but otherwise i don't remember any cases when european politicians will say and they become president you know he's dangerous he's a threat to us well and trial he's an ideological for the course we criticise you my lord and i think he deserves great just what mikey is not bottle that ideology they cannot just come down at the except that you know they they are using every weapon against him bad as he sees you know george you know we've talked about the power of these of these companies and unprecedented power but you know it seems to me that they're timid they're very timid people ok they're afraid of people thinking they're afraid of people drawing their own conclusions i mean you know people criticise you know different experiments of socialism is the nanny state ok

this is really what it is it's it's the the net any internet it's the mini information's fear where it will all be controlled for you you'll be. said ok or it is nancy pelosi say we feed the people don't get them believe that she said that but that's the mentality of these elites we feed the people go ahead yes yes and it was if you look at the people who stop these companies there was always. democratic operatives members of the obama administration or at senior positions within the d.n.c. and these are the people who then decide what we can see and i mean that. they never did because they're afraid of the politician i mean they've they had was beautiful carved out of complete impunity which you know it never have been claiming to be this. or they're not only neutral and of course they're right but

this is not going to be taken away from them. and that's our right that the government is going to come after them wait a day and. for a few years anyway against microsoft so you are basically among all bullets it seems to me and again i go back to might be for this is that you know these companies are in the service of status quo of their own wealth and influence for example and the politicians that will do their bidding here so it seems to mean that you know obviously these companies are monopolies and should be broken up but the throwing his favorite word ideology song is there in the ideological service of these people i don't think they're going to go down the path of antitrust gentlemen will run out of time i want to bring i guess in budapest and most i want to take our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time remember.

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