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and welcome to cross town where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle the media environment is bleak if you disagree with the official narrative you're called a conspiracy theorist never mind many official narratives actually are conspiracy theories and is big tech and war with populous. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest george samueli in budapest he's an author and the you tube read the gavel and in moscow we're joined by dmitri bobbitt

she is a political analyst and editor and knows me internet media projects are gentlemen go. some proof in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it i mean when i got an e-mail here in moscow as i said in my introduction if you disagree with the official narrative somehow you're a conspiracy theorist but over the last few years and particularly i have in mind russia gate ukraine gate even go further back with saddam and weapons of mass destruction the there's plenty of official conspiracy theories that have been thoroughly debunked but many of the conspiracy theories that i consider can vary theories in the official discourse are there's no even attempt to acknowledge that they can be debunked go ahead oh well you're absolutely right 2 because look just starting from july facebook. even due to the shut down hundreds of thousands of accounts of people connected

to what these companies declared to be conspiracy theories organizations and all i won't name them not to give as a dozen to them but everyone knows these names you know the mainstream media reports about them every day and if you look at their theories for which these groups were paralyzed are biased basically every one of them has some. kind of shadow in really get like ok it's a conspiracy theory that the western rule or world is ruled by paedophiles who are iranian you know child safety child sex trade yes that's a conspiracy theory but jeffrey epstein exists that and he is circle exist and is a circle included people from there what we can call high society so why can't people just you know make their own conclusions and go further than.

that's absolute in april. and the program with the conspiracy conspiracy theory has spread have to by the mainstream media is that they're not based in reality and whole they're based on ideology for example. you know saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction he was a maniac who wanted to destroy the world that was a huge conspiracy theory but no one shoves down new york times twitter accounts no one says you i to us how many times did new york times report that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction found so for hours and sometimes tens of thousands the minute got those say it's not a conspiracy theory and mr trump is a lie you should be labeled as the new york times would continue business as usual right i know i'm going to find peace and they compute surprises and the promotions and they and they were just kicked up the ladder 1st spreading their false

narratives here you know this is the limit george i mean. and this is all the media's fault i mean that lets us look at cove it i mean you can look at a one hour one hour of primetime and go to every single major cable station and they have their with their panel of medical experts but they all say different things ok i mean what are people supposed to believe and because they can't believe the official narrative they're going to try to make conclusions themselves that's only natural and let the over the last couple of days the way social media platforms of behave no wonder people start thinking unthinkable and sometimes unreasonable things because they feel they're being lied to. that's absolutely right because there's the there is 2 basic purpose which is use the media your opponents as they is of conspiracy theory and so you say oh these people

who are ridiculous there is if there is. joe biden was involved with rolling ukraine an influence peddling and trying to get applause thank you the fiat because you want to protect his son back because there is a theory. when you say that barack obama was spying on the trump campaign that's the conspiracy theory but as david pointed out. them on hussein had weapons of mass destruction and even more seriously that he was involved in the $911.00 terrorist attack that apparently is not a conspiracy there this is the claim that martin may have. fixed the 2016 election for 'd donald trump which the media have been claiming i think they do it to this day that's not a conspiracy theory. they claim that $100.00 biden's

laptop or the e-mails that have just recently emerged. a product of a russian this information that's not a conspiracy so so that's where you are you are allowed to put forward your conspiracy theories was me airing your opponent as being a conspiracy theory. if you look at the new york times how many times use the word conspiracy theory all day every day innumerable stories used to it is there is it there about whom about the people that they politically donald trump is a puppet or a conspiracy but no no we've been your private not to do when we say that but i'm a budget controls every single thing in the well that's not a conspiracy very good you know demon you can compare this is a controversy surrounding joe biden's son hunter and then we can compare it to to rush again so rush again is based on anonymous sources exclusively minima sources and. flimsy and even fabricated dossiers ok that were

paid for for and they all had that and the dossier had a political aim ok to discredit and that's called opposite position research and happens all the time. but opposition research that isn't usually used to impeach someone ok but in the case of the the main the bike family i mean there are calendars there are people that it made it that they met him my. he transfers and you know i mean there's a lot of you know me you know all those bones to talk about but russia again was all up in the clouds built you know i counsel floating in miraculously in the clouds here but you know once a conspiracy theory and the other one is debunked i mean you know and then where the journalist in the whole of the not i mean it was a pretty ugly car so in the quads that's quite a spade a spade i think people should be named and shamed in this case i mean christopher a steals dorsy

a claim that russian prostitutes or any of them sounds on drums had when he was in moscow and that was completely below you and there was nothing behind it. but you know these dossier is still mentioned and the mainstream media not only in the united states by you know. media outlets i guess spiegel magazine in it in germany all i know more and in france they continue saying that russians stole their american election by placing ads on facebook for them out of $100000.00 or less you know so these are just absolutely incredible lies i mean allies simply don't make much as i told you you know the so-called popular conspiracy theorists you know there are many conspiracy theories about coronavirus well because the theme who looks absurd specious that's why you have these

yes nice sometimes about corona mafia or corona craziness corona grease in nature all 2 that people create such theories that conspiracy theories of the mainstream media are based on the ideology like poetry and poison not only i don't think so because no one else was interested in poisoning hume well i mean there were several very strange deaths or. western politicians you put it your sense in the last few years like i'm just a leper who was called polish who cannot get home to god so depressed that he hanged himself when he was on mars and i want to ask him questions you know your kaido who was who was the black sheep of european politics you know the you convened wise men's meetings to see how he is in france could be contained and then he just drove his car badly and walked into an accident and i. was interested in this of course no one will buy it will not bother me yes all the pushing was

interested in that well beyond if you could do it so this is all based on ideology this is all based on demonizing certain people like you say a lot of bad things about some foreign leader and then something happens and then you say who else. well you know i mean but this is laziness as well ok i mean if there is that it's open to the many of these people that have a default position that they're not really interested in facts ok they they're interested in how you can perpetuate their political agenda here in georgia it's like you know another one that keeps circulating around even though into the debunked is the bounty hunters. in afghanistan where you had the highest serving general american general and you had gone public and guess now it's about 3 or 4 weeks ago saying that he has heard nothing up there is there is he has no knowledge of this but but still in the u.s.

a political campaign the presidential campaign it's still being circulated i mean so even if you go to the very source ok it's soldiers being killed by how a band that are being paid by the russians of and they whittled it down to someone a soldier a former soldier or someone someone associated with the iraqi government that is one other percent depended on the united states and trump wants to get out and so all of a sudden this story gets circulated and then it gets down to well maybe you shouldn't leave afghanistan when the american public overwhelmingly wants that to happen but see that conspiracy continued to support the flow because it has political advantages for some. yeah that's exactly right and and you notice that even the in last week's the town hall debate biden again came up with this nonsense about the the bounty and of course the moderator george stephanopoulos did nothing to correct

him none of the fact checkers did anything to correct their senate tammy duckworth just about every day tweets out something about our how many days of pasta a person had about the bounty is only u.s. soldiers and still donald trump hasn't said anything about it so it just has momentum of its own it doesn't it doesn't matter that it's been debunked apparently it's perfectly reasonable to peddle this sort of nonsense and in fact the whole russia gate is still people still peddling this thing about how russia is interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of donald trump and then you know and that somehow the 26000 election result was tainted by russia no evidence has ever been presented i mean every single thing that we have learned since when you 16 as sure that there really there was no russian intervention except for it what it did prove though we're going to go to a break real quick what it did prove is that this was

a conspiracy ok but they didn't prove it ok so instead of coal when we debunk it we're conspiracy there is when when they were refused to rebut us you know that they they believe that their narrative how's about you because they won't they won't debate around that jump in here gentlemen when you go to a short break now let's or break we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with arkie. the world is driven by. in a day or. week to ask. welcome

back to crossfire where all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let's go back to here in moscow you know in looking at what the. what's happening to the internet in these platforms critically facebook and twitter and then we can throw in google here we have seen particularly in the last weeks the last few days last week where they have very very stridently interfered into the political process and we're talking about the growing scandal and allegations around the vice president former vice president's son. and we have seen facebook

and twitter actually acknowledge their involvement in this and they've kind of pulled back a little bit but i mean what's really quite amazing to me is that again we've talked about russia gave in the 1st part of this program all of that was based was not based on any verifiable public sourcing and they let it go on and on and on and on and then when they have a case here and we're all 3 of us are saying allegations i'm not a lawyer i'm not looking at the direct evidence myself i'm looking at reporting on it and i will judge for myself but even that they don't want you to do that's what makes this very very serious and very very dangerous. people don't say something and be heard it will become a trend go ahead jim. well basically if you look at some of the it was a chance against the so-called conspiracy theorists they're just very strange

almost laughable i mean i'm quoting look you go here the conspiracy theory school aim that there is a criminal organization involved in the clintons a bomber and they use vestment banker george soros who are doing something bad to the world well everyone who has access to newspapers can see that maybe there is no secret organization but they share the same ideology the clintons obama and soros they supported the same eagle coos in georgia in yugoslavia in ukraine you know and they all the supporter in the same works in the same ways for the same reasons and it's public knowledge so it 8 policemen were killed in 2014 during the so-called peaceful my done before the legally elected president was toppled and instead of apologizing these people say the crash invaded ukraine out

of nothing. without any pretext so. when they. accuse someone they excuse either their opponents or the messenger you know there was no one of a little bit of that you do tremendous you need it is bad but you know for example the s.p.o. magazine. called saroj event name me one of the facebook phoned us saying that something i called something should be done because social networks now operate in like chemical industry in the 1950 s. and their poison everything their own themselves they grab huge profits and are not and they're refusing to have any control over them well just recently we've heard. on facebook and for all from american politicians nobody mutations on the internet should be imposed in china in russia you know the congress well basically in russia there are almost no need to. read foreign press you can read people queen and

the boys and to know how an ancient not prohibitive it's not labeled we don't know what's actually being us or you know even something at least i haven't seen it in russia i've seen it hundreds off in the american internet so it's a very strange story. and just not strange it's very easy to explain i think you're george i mean isn't it you know the interesting thing is that if we look at ghent at the controversy surrounding the former vice president's ok with these major social networks are doing they're putting up. barriers on all sides ok and what they want to do it's an instrument to maintain the status quo this is what this is all about humane change the people in power ok and anyone that rents that status quo of the ruling and leads will be challenged and

because of then the nature of the technology you can beat disappear i mean you've just gone from the ether ok and it's ideologically driven but it's also you know in a sense class driven to ok to protect. people's. assets and properties and things like this where they want to give this ruling class wants to reproduce itself ok based on their ideas of merit and they don't want anybody else coming in and you know what these internet companies are perfect for these people to maintain their power in does ition ok the fascinating thing is that we always think about technology is evolution in changing. clinics true blue should all that right now no d's people are stuck on status quo people go ahead george yes that's right and he goes back to 2016 i mean 2016 was a profound shock to the globally. shocked victory in the united states

the bronx it's a referendum in the u.k. and from that moment own oppression a group only internet companies because up until then the internet companies were basically you know they let them have a pretty much a laissez faire attitude. because it seemed like most of the obama isn't would go on forever and from that moment on there's something in the politicians the media stuff that doesn't mean it is your fault you did it you allowed hootin to manipulate you you allow trump and wholly conspiracy theorists around trying to manipulate you you allow the bricks that is to manipulate you you better get to shape up or you will be in trouble and the internet companies who are more powerful than any company that has ever been in the history of the world i mean sound at all 80 and see where nothing of powerful is google facebook and twitter i mean they

control the flow of information throughout the world. that thick power and once they decide who gets on a platform and who and how we can manipulate the algorithm so that no one can actually find you on google and of course you know they went abbot and so when he saw that oh it will just deny space to the holocaust deniers oh well we'll just deny to the neo nazis that willow just denied to alex jones it was step by step because they knew that oh well that's fine oh yeah that's a good idea what we don't want to give space to the novices but then of course it doesn't expand it will be denied the people who are opposed to vaccines will deny platform to the people who expressed skepticism about the coronavirus will. and i now space the people who transmit information about hunter biden and stone and now we got a point when even the president of the united states this campaign is closed down

the presidents of press secretaries close down so they are totally involved in this election campaign and there's a this is a and it will it only on one organization what they're doing what they're doing to email which is very very interesting is that they are these these social media networks they are in a position to choose winners and choose losers ok they will choose who the public can have access to what happened to the new york post is a very good example i like to remind our viewers alexander hamilton established that publication in some one of the longest running publications in america and and of course you know it it's very salacious it's a murdoch operation right now but it still has real journalists there the article that they presented on the evidence they found on hunter but what's what what what really terrifies me is that if they'd have taken it upon themselves to pick winners

and losers and what do you need to mock received for they they decide to go ahead well you are right though for some conspiracy theorists is the double impunity for all of the conspiracy thoughts i mean the. you know the whole impeachment thing was based on an exam balance in my the so-called facts you know a whole called presentation you know is facts being fact they know it and he was placed on the media to bays and his family was protected that's how do you more chris she walks you know. and and sound hollow or they all do bonked i mean trungpa still in power and that is. the women did not is not facing any questions you know how come you made all these allegations that i am caught in the sixty's. there are many claims in the internet that any corny borrowed will be calling in the vatican

and all those damned before she makes any judicial decisions well below any but is anyone punished for this bone and they can use the continuation oh and rush is behind everything everything you know everywhere you have russians well basically if you want to if you want to know why nato became weaker it's not because trump is crazy is because after trump's election the european union had a summit meeting where they pronounced the american president and the russian president to be quote threats to european security so this huge conspiracy theory which is basically breaking the law and since this conspiracy theory about some secret link between putin and trump it is this conspiracy theory that is key to nato alliance because how can trump trust these people who basically have a consensus declaring the president all the let the states for the 1st day when history

and threat to european security get all the heat was said something like they have of course rules of was a threat to see of right but otherwise i don't remember any cases but european politicians will say and you can president you know he's dangerous he's a tough as boss though and trump is an ideological thread because we criticize him a lot and i think you deserve scree just as much he's not part of that ideology one thing they cannot just come down at the except that you know they they are using every weapon against him bad as he is you know george you know it when we talk about the power of these of these companies an unprecedented power but you know it seems to me that they're timid they're very timid p. . bull ok they're afraid of people thinking they're afraid of people drawing their own conclusions i mean you know people who criticise you know different experiments of socialism is the nanny state ok this is really what it is it's it's the the

nanny internet it's the mini information's fear where it will all be controlled for you you'll be in a schoolroom said ok or it is nancy pelosi say we feed the people don't get them believe that she said that but that's the mentality of these elites we feed the people go ahead yes yes and it was if you look at the people who stopped these companies there was always. democratic operatives members of the obama administration or at senior positions within the d.n.c. and these are the people who then decide what we can see and i went to mitt romney because they're all the politicians i mean they've they had those beautiful caught out of complete impunity which you know it is so men who have been claiming to be this. they are not neutral and of course they're right that this is not going to be taken away from them and that's our right that the government is

going to come off of them way dan. for a few years anyway against microsoft so you are basically a monopoly it seems to me and again i go back to might be says that you know these companies are in the service of status for their own wealth and influence for example and the politicians that will do their bidding here so it seems to me that you know obviously these companies are monopolies and should be broken up but the throwing his favorite word ideology song is there in the ideological service of these people i don't think they're going to go down the path of antitrust gentlemen would run out of time on a thing i guess in budapest and moscow i don't think our viewers for watching us here are to see. next time remember.

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