maybe people here already made their. decision sam. made their minds. well. you know your actual clear eyes of the president the jerks of jersey a feature in the nature of this company ultimately be that as a result of with the. with substantial president and for the last several decades polarize a show of not just american political elites but also american society well in 2000 what do you define as derek let's talk about what i think is that substantively that we will news story bad and many mainstream outlets have and nevertheless try to bury either by knowing it all together or trying to get all the russians are talking about hunted by his laptop reportedly abandoned at

a repair store and allegedly containing a tro compromising material what is the most striking i think for you about this story well for me as a russian observer is a russian political analyst the most i would say most striking by sending a negative feature of this story is that russia is accused by both sides and it was very explicit in the latest presidential in the latest the base between don't trump and joe biden they both accuse each other. all lurched really having some links with russia. and they accuse each other over being a few leaders with russia and some russian but if you read any different way i think the trump campaign. allows for a possibility of some sort of fresh assess i burped see as well as chinese if uranium i.t.t. and frankly american air activity. yes as it develops me with that i can see that

everybody is some cyber spying on each out there but i think when it comes to the democrats and democrats and the allegations that are totally different they say that you know these conjured biden stories it and the other problem hoax even though i think he can't is not denying the authenticity of communications i mean it looks like a repeat of the attic cleans and e-mail scandal once again blame you know try to distract attention from the substance and try to look at blame on supposedly the messenger you know. the messenger and i fully agree with your. claim by using biden can bain that russia cooled or russian intelligence could stay behind this latest scandal is not surprising although it's unfortunate and you know it means that we are the green or another

possible russia gate with another serious although this occasion was pulled by further poisoning of the us russian relations and it just proves called deep. russia despite its will and i would say quote a very it's we don't go deeply is russia or no seeding in the american domestic politics and used by both sides it is an instrument as a political tool against each other but on for instance accused by getting money. from russia by them previously if you strong over being. as you said in his previous debates 14 spot that 1 you know they they both cues each other the crush or. you know kind of supports them favors their victory.

in the presidential election so illegals are sure isn't used them and against each other you know this is a very unfortunate and negative thing for the us russian relations because it pete normal i know from your writing that you believe that there is a technical reason for for doing that and using russia as an instrument because the level of polarization is so odd to magic be consensus issues are still here that it is almost inevitable that elites from both sides will double down on the only thing or the only think they the only thing they can agree upon and this happens to be russia suppose it involvement into pretty much everything we got is there whether russia itself once it is why they had served its interest or whether he even has the resources to do the kind of things that it is accused all. rusher is indeed

used in american domestic politics by the way it's necessary to claim that this usage over our 1st started to happen before the president so the problem you know that republicans actually weren't the 1st to try to undermine barack obama. claims that he's reset with russia or nothing else than a betrayal of american national interests and american values now democrats use the rocker factor against the probably strange enough where we must all be in this again shows all the rumors about interference in so warm and finally no problem is trying to counter that with using by. being some call a few leaders by rush very accepting money from russia the reasons are the most fundamental reason is indeed grave olor is

a show of american political system then me to allegations of misconduct have different sort of way don't different substance accusing somebody of being a puppet. you know it's much more difficult to prove that allegations of corruption and that brings us back to the front of biden's story which i think the biden count is in its very very precarious position now because on the one hand as i said before they did not i'm not denying the authenticity of the communication but they are sort of disputing the conclusions drawn from it that it's corruption for some reason the liberal school like to use toward integrity i don't see anything wrong with that a son trying to profit from having his father's name now when i was trying to understand why the liberals don't see any problem with that what comes to mind is. the example of chelsea clinton and the other problem and the high profile child

who's been raking in millions sitting on boards of directors from that very young age and nobody has seen and any problem with that whether you talk about hunter biden is that really a story of one individual family or is it perhaps to be very tale about how money and politics feed off each other in the united states or perhaps even more broadly in the world. well you know the americans are watching lou now talking about the democrats' campaign democratic campaign is why are we talking about systemic racism i don't know why the way whether it exists or not i think it's an exaggeration but what really exists i think is a systemic corruption in the american political establishment political elites and i think that donald trump on this particular issue is absolutely right it's the system is extremely corrupt. and molly and all of the excuse is

indeed very closely linked with each other separable are linked with each other i am for means these substances all these organizations. was not just managing grain in a way that was using american interests in terms of. containing russia. and trying to look you agree into early western and american led campaign but also if you know in the parallel way you know the truth you get money you know to come thing was easy and you green i mean there's russia cassocks china and a host of other countries i mean it's if you count that frame it is only at policy shift clearly goes beyond that and people that you know it's not something that is it is i mean it's pretty clear that if you once let me know if. it is not also

surprising for me you know why it's a very buoyant issue in the united states in politics brings money that's in the d.n.a. all of the listeners are saying for you that you know that in the western world corruption is that having a charge and that the only similar sample i can think of was that the acts french prime minister of france were awful your school was tried and actually sentenced for pain he said wife roughly and 1000000 euros. when doing the job and she never did that because presidential bit do you think any also anything of this story ringback will catch up with joe biden well i think there might be and there probably will be a republican led investigation on that issue after the elections no matter what is the result of the elections at the same time i do not saying this of the scandal will be decisive for the alchemy of the elections it might correct the illegal bits

into preferences a lot of older but i don't think it will be ultimately decisive why because this world over who are the holder the mention polar ice age many americans maybe even democrats and i decisive people like to be displeased by will they hear both of the previous 60 years old joe white bobby course today merican societies so polarized because they want to get the legal doldrums from the white house so much they can still go and vote. again and that's the point you know the democrats want these votes and this election to be not necessarily to fold in favor her old joe biden but their vote against donald trump. you know in these cases for i say show is favoring. by. the democrats well how exactly

does it out we'll discuss after a short break stay with us. for. better or viable guys placing it all to start. at all these are. serious are you going to get a. public no. this is a pay freeze and forget the rest of 7 years. delicate separate organizer or. secret prisons are not usually what comes to mind when thinking about europe however even the most prosperous can be deceived we've been busy rows all the work to view the houses were allowed to leave prison was located only people had access to the story investigators held the uncovered the darkest dealings of

the secret services but i mean. the great ignore. door to door nonsense. you seem a bit sore knee for. and for justice. welcome back to worlds apart that nature is so slow deputy director of the center for comprehensive european and international studies at the higher school of economics major before the break in a word talking about the fact that these upcoming elections and on the ballot of. electing a new president but rather getting rid of the old one and whether he talks like that last time i you did that little possibility that trump. would be eliminated physically and before anyone accused me of conspiracy theories let me just mention

that he started there have been more than 30 years on not the lives of incumbent and former presidents for which succeeded. do you think that is still a possibility when it comes to trump. well again nothing should be excluded. from a to live boss they're like cool to this scenario is not beat. the current pretty lax them well during elections since the vote is a little go among situation favors by. the ns you know the fundamental difference of the distributional forces on the eve of the november 3 vote is that even $26.00 team. was behind hillary clinton throughout the country but. they were they fit almost the same support raising

in this way states which are decisive fully outcome of the election day. but is systemic really. don't trump all or nearly all the swing states and you know the current your argument that people who'll well one reason or another prefer trying without necessarily like you can't. ask for each express that political preferences as people from the other can't so again be the latency of those polls it's probably even more questionable that it was a 2016 well i really disagree you know folk well i partly agree and partly disagree agree with you that there is a so-called silent majority that. supporters who just don't want to express their opinion publicly at the same time there is a difference in the polls bittman going to 16 and 2020 plant it is easier that way

or behind biden india in the major swing states which increase the chances for biden to be. elected president although i think there will be multiple quarrels so the elections. then do. it will be different. of the volt calculations the unfolding by. a factor this might trigger in some great instability in the american. streets refusal of either of these scientists to. accept to recognize defeat this will be a precondition for even deeper political instability and internal political confrontation as you just sat both sides are accusing each other off and their willingness to accept the election results while also reserving their rights you play golf part

for themselves is that any american institution at this point of time that would be perceived as no partisan because i think when you look for example at law enforcement and this back and forth between f.b.i. and the. d.n.i. department for directorate for national intelligence it's clear that even that within law enforcement intelligence community in these devices is present and perhaps widening we know that within the forth system these divide is also a parish i don't even mention that you know they have decided that the house of representatives is a i think an american institution that decisive and. spirit well legal and constitutional and this is the supreme court trusted enough at this point of time i mean given their recent appointments do you think that democrats will accept the where the supreme court regarding this so which way it goes and

republicans by the way to you well you know you should distinguish between legitimacy and legality even leaves democrats refused to perceive the guns position on all this you order as legitimate you still legal and that is still this you pretty important we should make the final word. you know all these presented i mean for the crown just on the streets ahead illegalities no doubt important because they mistrust all institutions what matters for down this legitimacy effects that they you know they were the supreme court this ballot that they would not be too much of an eye wrath but if not i mean you're warned us out that that it could go very badly even go so that far as the people in this research is refused to extend to do wording supremum chord it would mean a the grievers crisis of american political system and all american state since the civil war but i do not think that at least the leaders. political part of this

will go that far overleap refused to follow they're willing to lose your dream corps i mean that's too much you know evoking fully for the american politicians you know supreme court to decide the outcome of the elections so records as you print court can a decision is only one procedure old sake's whether calculation of vote. is distributional or locus to what to do with these results but it can look you know claim from one war party right but nevertheless a decision so do you bring board will be important in this polarized unclear circumstances this is why indeed it was very important for drop to feel too confused other she's 30. introduce you require to make a fool of disputed republican conservative majority you know you can say that you

do supreme court as of today now to him mention there were but uproarious ation and many terms that are out there are conversation and he had a very interesting argument then why not here are the articles that this extreme player i say should. and out serving in the united states can be traced all the way back to the american civil war and be different value systems that still exist and and don't want to or are they on the coasts and the south and the center that the biggest american citizen is not that way and their wives and the blacks or the center for make it born and foreign born but actually become and their wives and their wives can you talk more about that well absolutely historically the major division in the american society it was between liberal and conservative whites given the supporters of the souls and their descendants in their inside on the one

hand and. indian supporters of the north and their descendants the way to mediate this historical division horse to you know butte mormons to these heroes on both sides of the civil war and to switch attention. for the issue of slavery to the issue of unity and you lose your own dear the country. the value difference surely roommate. you know it was very very important to me to be a does division between 2 whites and the whites but no since the illegal part of the white population in order to almost normal trump is questioning the undermining destroying basically that historical consensus of the 2nd possible day 19th century and early 20th century it's you know retold those that.

old if you store gold to be true and the end of a city comes some of those far of the whites and say well why don't concern to whites i'm being denied not only being called names racists and xenophobes but they are actually being denied that only. history does only a good entity and if you extend it further that own country and i think people around the world don't appreciate that as much as. perhaps as some in the united states because we all take for granted that we have the right to leave and social and cultural environment that we call home and i think some of the complaints that the democrats are waging now they're essentially. based on denying their promise there's a little they are trying to poles in the other completely other. goof with if you store it a little of the united states and historical american identity in the other

identity. to the united states you know russia is from time to time holding continuity with unpredictable past now the same can be said of all the united states you know the scandal division in the american societies though they did not only disagree both the future of the economy whether it should be cultural or more cultural whether america should become a more socialist economy or remain an individualist skeptical is well what i think being invited you are an inherently racist i mean i think this is actually an argument that makes you yeah i ask you i in terms of political technology. i know you believe that the reason democrats are doing that is because it increases their electoral chances it's just a political tactic but do you think there is a different way perhaps a more factor way both managing those said different value systems of dealing with

them without necessarily beating down one against each other because clearly the united states is a very multicultural society and nobody can claim that you know we want to be only why this state and i don't even think it's about whiteness as a color scheme i think it's more about whiteness as a culture some people want you it's more about conservatism actually a more liberal out the do you think those differences could be awarded with rather than being deliberately contrasted against well i agree with you that this is the extreme way of doing. pursuing that political purpose you know all the one can do divisions in american society. they are objective and indeed they. do known wife population was not entirely integrated into the melting for indeed the american political elite was historically tone aided by the

whites it's true but the us society is very very complex. and it is dangerous you know to dive into these differences you know the full feel in a precise political objective so false thing bolt. from the white collars into story they don't know so through additional political elites i think the democrats are making a grave mistake yes to something very very quickly you're wrong that time has never tried to be the president of all americans in the same way that adama never was and by don't you feel well if you were in south will never be and you're trying for all his faults or perhaps because of his fault i think he can both i think he can appeal to different groups of people so for example today yeah conservatives he killed because of his purport to care for the white heartland to a liberal he can still be appealing but the gleason disband the bill because if he

is very liberal lifestyle actually it's not bullet to well if you ask your doctor to kill as it sounds isn't trying to do this in this actually uniting potential for the united states well partly because from push has managed to unite many. historical difference brothers some parts of american society for instance the workers together with capitalists also problem for supported by many immigrants by many and most whites quite purple circle it. before so many in the whites are also calling further. and further illegal immigration the borders of this dangerous foliage jobs. so they support the problems in finding me gratian holes and so yes. i have she continues to ask you certainly appeal but at the same time of course. the factor of polarization. brings both genders both

wrong. to work and to focus primarily on their traditional constituents. to make sure that they are supported by their voters but they supporters of their voters and so for those who are made more belies to go into the polling station so diligently your belt which we have to live in fear we will definitely. continue following the story thank you very much for sharing your perspective that's today thank you and thank you for watching colt is here again next week or worlds apart.

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