honed in also the new book traces the past present and future of state coersion and its critical connection to global capital joining me now from los angeles is the author of the global police state professor william i robinson thank you so much for coming on we got a hint arguably of the global police state from wiki leaks they released the iraq war logs 10 years ago this week if this month what is the global police state the title of your book i mean 3 things by global police state but let me put that in context by saying the starting point for the discussion of global police state needs to be this severe crisis of global capitalism the pandemic didn't create the crisis it only made it much worse and in talking about global police state there's 2 dimensions i want to highlight one is the structural technically we call it over accumulation but it's a crisis of chronic stagnation in the global economy and the 2nd dimension of that crisis is is political this one of state legitimacy and capitalist henschel money

so i mean 3 things by global police state and the 1st as we see the deepening the and the extension worldwide of transnational systems of social control of repression military zation and warfare all around the world and we see that in order to contain the real and the potential rebellion of what i call in the book surplus humanity and the mess of the downwardly mobile and destabilized and congressionally impoverished global working class and you know very quickly the international labor organization has already reported that one 3rd of humanity that 2000000000 people in the world are at this point a what i call surplus humanity structurally marginalized unemployed that have to scratch out a living in an informal economy which is deteriorating and collapsing and then another 1300000000 workers in the world work in extremely precarious condition so we have one half of humanity is in this and misery deteriorate i think over the fate you're immediately talking about cost if you went. this program suggested that

class warfare may exist it made the murdoch times newspaper but you quote warren buffett claiming it's been going on for decades class war and his class won tell me about this in this. connection between class and the global police state then more clearly. sure well let's look at it global inequalities have reached unprecedented levels i mean we can barely wrap our minds around these inequalities one percent of humanity controls over 50 percent of the world's wealth that we know because that's been broadly publicized but more significantly 20 percent of humanity in that amount is is is shrinking as capitalism world capitalism continues to restructure controls 95 percent of the world's wealth so 80 percent of humanity controls only thought of percent of the world's wealth and under those conditions under this conditions of extreme inequality those that rule the world including warren buffett needs to develop systems of extreme control and we crush him but you know i want to

add one of the thing when we talk about warren buffet and what i refer to in the book as the transnational capitalist class and the 2nd dimension of global police state as independent of the systems need to repress and to wage wars and so forth to hold the mass of humanity down global police state is a men's only profitable at a time when the global economy has been in chronic stagnation and so we see that the whole global economy and society is increasingly dependent on militarization and force interest actual social control just to keep the global economy moving forward use the phrase military keynesianism i should say you also mention the fact that citibank said invest in luxury goods because there's no point investing in things that aunt luxury for for that elite military keynesianism do you see that as the core project now of near liberal government that's that's one of the arguments of the book and i go beyond military can as it is and we thought that's. since the

post what you carry of the 1960 s. and 1970 s. i call it militarized accumulation and accumulation by repression and here the data on how the global economy is more and more just dependent on this accumulation by repression and by militarization is is mind boggling to the middle east and north that you mentioned briefly at the beginning of the program already involves 15 trillion trillion dollars the military budgets of governments around the world increased 100 percent from 2000 and want to the present 100 percent and that does that only includes official military forces budgets we also have the vast increase of state secret budgets of police and intelligence budgets almost security budget when you add all of this up and it put this in the book you're talking about 4 or 5 or maybe a little more percentage of the entire world's economy and this doesn't include this incredible expansion of investments in the global police state by private forces we have now 20000000 people that work for private mercenary firms

technically they're called private military firms we have 15000000 people that work as private police all around the world which and that number is more than public police forces in one half of the countries in the world we have the one of the profitable so-called war on terror and war on drugs which are a farce because they're not against drugs and they're not really against terrorism so i can go on and on of course because the knesset i mean the war in iraq the war on drugs of course being headed by the democratic contender for the presidency us me gave me from los angeles do you think there is a growing consciousness of the issues in the book because you've talked about battle spaces changing from i suppose iraq to our towns and cities in your in l.a. you saw presumably the black lives matter protests after the killing of george floyd in your city so and participated here in los angeles there were tens of thousands every single day up to hundreds thousands in some mass marches and largely you youth driven but the global police state was has been on full display here in the. it states in the uprising that took place in the aftermath of the

murder of george floyd but the larger story here of course is the mega-cities of the world not just the war zone such as in the middle east the mega cities of the world are now the theaters for this global police state and it's where these are these unique qualities are so incredibly a cute and so all of the pineapple a of what's when referring to his local police state is unbleached in these in these mega cities and i keep on wanting to emphasize here that part of that is to hold down a mass of humanity from questioning this system and rebelling in the face of one president on one on the whole artist on is on the culture and of course in fairness to mr arkell mainstream media they did cover the b.l.m. protests quite a lot he told me about how you how you describe liberal cultural elites facilitating this global police state you actually use the phrase neo-fascist culture. yes absolutely and so the other 3rd dimension i had mentioned the 1st to

mention of global police state is this repressive government the 2nd is simply that it's enormously profitable to invest in wars and repression and and so what the 3rd dimension is this threat of what i refer to as 21st century fascism but the confusion here is that's just like the extreme far right wing these far right wing now fascist parties in europe or or modi in india or chunkier in the united states on the contrary these repressive systems and the investment in them has had to go is democratic and republican here in the united states is completely bipartisan the liberal elites has been deeply invested in global police do you mean do you mean hollywood a you mean novels you mean fifa you mean. television well that is the level of the mass media the entertainment industry and yes they put forward images and the galaxy and or. whatever for its you as a global to the states but you know and the us that means the book is loaded with so much data you can just scratch the surface here but but let's remember something here that u.s.

military intelligence agencies financed and advised and it's this is in the book and here is the data 800 major hollywood movies in recent years and 1000 t.v. shows and all you know all of this projects all kinds of images that are related to be thing of this global police state at the ideological and cultural level where this political and economic implications of course. you do try and end the book on something quite hopeful but what amount of through patrice spirit can be summoned up if more and more of us are out of work let alone because of coronavirus labor unions even if they did strengthen in numbers don't have that power i mean what is supposed to overthrow the global police state as that coercion prevents people being able to meet who well there's 2 things a global revolt as already been underway and the fall of 2001000 was what we could so who. you know a worldwide spring of revolt every everywhere and in the world the pandemic pushed

people off the street temporarily but people are now back on the street the nigerian there what we were up to you know we don't even know how many nigerians were mowed down in a hail of bullets by the police nigeria but they're rising up 1st against police brutality and more generally against the social economic policies that generate global police state so we do have a global reach rebellion underway that is very hopeful but we also have some of the global elites are recognizing that we need a massive redistribution of wealth and power downward in order to save capitalism from a self not even to overthrow capitalism so that's really what we need as a as a 1st step is a massive decreasing of those unprecedented inequalities and we need a rebuilding of social programs around the world we need a new type of really you know a global new deal and a radical reform of global capitalism i prefer would prefer it be overthrown but put that aside and and the good news is that messes of people are are now taking to

the streets and organizing worldwide for that global reform project and they are meeting up with certain sectors of the global elite which see that this reform is urgent that the system is not going to either collapse or be overthrown you know or to generate into mass an archeologist time and agree for me the other existential question of course the environment you say in the book the green new deal is going to vacuum a saving of capitalism. and if the inference is of course a police state as well why do you see something like the green new deal as just another liberal constructors' is not really getting to the heart of things at all. right now there's 2 things not the green new deal i supported green a deal and that's a big step forward it's rather this notion of green capitalism that the giants corporations that basically run the planets do more for it is more about public relations than actually contributing to a whole transformation arce of our social and economic system so that it is

environmentally sustainable so that's so-called green capitalism and you know you have it's like british petroleum b.p. saying that they're shifting all their you know they're going to they're going to be renewable in the next 1020 years which is of course all a lot of nonsense so i'm critiquing the notion of green capitalism that the big giant transnational corporations and the elites which are often their political agents are going to salvage us from the ecological collapse that we're ready and but a green new deal i think is a very important step forward but a green new deal calls from massive we just abuse you know who else downward in massive reform and controls on the us unbridled operations of the transnational corporate elites well b.p. says i it's very green modi and trump of course an out of upon freshest president by robinson thank you very much thank you so much for having me on it's a pleasure after the break ultraviolence after global protests against racist policing appear to slow in the face of seemingly apathetic governments and pandemic

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max jazzers financial survival guide. housing bubble. oh you mean there's a downside to artificially low mortgage rates don't get carried away that's cause report. welcome back while the whole world is preoccupied with a global pandemic to build spazzing through the u.k.'s parliament this month the overseas operations bill and the covert human intelligence sources bill are arguably attempting to immunize u.k. operatives from facing justice both in the military and the police while many see these as 2 discrete issues a new film ultraviolence by wood winning filmmaker ken farrow which explores deaths in u.k. police custody looks at the point where the issues of endless war and then this police violence meet and he joins me now via skype from london ken thanks so much for coming on i mean the past few days we've had a case of alleged british police killing of a mentally ill man of color kevin clock in south london tell me about how your film

tries to recover the memory of thousands dead at the hands of u.k. security forces police in the u.k. well what we've done is we've worked with a group of families over a long period of time to tell their stories books tell the stories of the caltex what was happening in the u.k. when we show which was in the early 2000 so we have the iraq war going on and in fact one of the one of the people who was killed by the police station. was itself a paratrooper so the connections between the 2 issues of rule and policing our own . very chair in the zone i'm gonna hold is one of the main characters in the show who tries to get justice for speaks very openly about the connection between more policing and it's something we we shall have to be told because these issues can't really be separated and what we did is we worked for 15 years with a group of families to tell a story and also to tell the story of the nation and the story sums of how people

in this country are willing to accept violence in their name whether it's in terms of war or whether it's in terms of policing and we find that totally unacceptable you show the c.c.t.v. video evidence of christopher all the dying when you 1st saw that footage what it did make you feel like well i felt angry just like anybody else i would look at the footage and all the footage in the film from the whole coca we've lived with our footage and we've analyzed them is trying to look at it in terms of an investigation but also emotions and what it does to the audience and the families in the film were very clear they wanted people to see how the loved one died and it's played out at length because i think sometimes these images that are shown it's a shame very spotty and we wanted to let people know so they can feel what it was like for christmas let's be in that position but of course a lot of what happens before and after that events the events of his death was

preceded by police violence there was no investigations what happened in the violence christopher will they go into the police and the last thing he said that i was fed by the police offices and hospitals was you treated me badly the papers or hear about this and you know he predicted his own death in the white so the phone tries to look at the footage on our lines that also look at what happened before and of course what happens afterwards you you mention in the film that edge the he was a he was gassed one of the many dimensions to is that one of the many dimensions here name checking that the great marxist director who was mudd it passed and they may. well we wanted to make a film that appearance in many audiences and of course we mentioned hustling and goes man and the film is sort of codes from all the way you know in other words as well what we wanted to do was to make a film that parents who are not just people i cared about human rights abuses that

were happening in the u.k. but people who were also interested in cinema and i think it's delicate balance some people seem to think we have achieved but of course all these influences and all these great people from the past their work their resistance whether it's not so much films or poetry as it was really feeds into us today and so we try to keep that heritage of history in others going well obviously the government denies telling everyone to retrain away from poetry and filmmaking because of coronavirus but one thing the government does say is that we have robust regulation off police violence. but in your film this film ultraviolence you seem to be saying that the certainly the independent police complaints commission now now changed it enables kelly. all the organs of the states since we've been working on this issues for the past 25 to 30 years the police complaints or it's the p.c.c. the p.c. is just let as

a change every decade they have never ever successfully prosecuted police officers apart from the one case we reveal in this film for the 1st time and revoke really and i think the fact that we've had over 'd 2000 in a 50 'd year period and that these crimes have gone unpunished is a testament to the failure of the states the states whether it's so you can a labor or conservative government had run roughshod over you know rights of the people of this country and in 'd this one we try to explore how that happens and what can be done about it because the film is about the victims but it's also about resistance about how people fight back and how it's possible to have hope in these very dark times do you think even one current british member of parliament though would accept that these different lettered police regulators are designed to promote a false confidence in restitution that that they are de facto encouraging violence by having them that they had these agencies are actually complicit in the raising

memory. they are complicit in the raising memory and so on tries to make sure that memories kept alive and of course it will now nothing can ever be hidden away it's we're in this film tries to expose that i think in terms of politicians and the states in general and all these different crime goes and n.g.o.s they're very complicit in what's been going on everybody knows what that issue is a to try to do with that and i think this is something that feeds into the general population i think it's spelled in on all m.p.'s and some people some m.p.'s have spoken out instance of deaths in custody in the past but they haven't looked at it in terms of what is systematic brutal system which kills people in some cases cases of murder some cases mountstuart and some cases. of an awful can in all these cases have never actually been sitting in the likes that they had with the film. it's a question not just the people of the u.k. but also to put out to the world to say we need help here when some to come out from the outside that could be un it could be another body so actually look at

what's happening in this country because when we made the film an injustice before and we did discover that in the united states which is quite surprising police officers actually have gone to jail for the killings of people in their custody in france there are several examples were police officers have actually gone to general and i can name many countries across the world in the middle east and africa and in other european countries a lot of americans were officers have gone to jail for killings in their custody could be you not saying the u.s. has a better justice system the rent well i think the u.s. and its owners of the same custody has prosecuted police officers and of course are not going to advocate the u.s. justice system over the system you know equally. ok well we now have a human rights lawyer as head of the main opposition party in this country to get stahmann your film ultraviolence you suggest that josh alderman has as was murdered by police press adik now he's been promoted to head of britain's largest police

force scotland yard what do you make of suggest ahmed saying that as regards an appeal by the family and i know the family here in the film it just said it was a mistake it wasn't a mud. i think it's interesting that you bring up president they're getting the message that that gives him some of the involvement of the shot shows and has a kennedy has it and be promoted to be head of the metropolitan police service it's a very 'd disturbing message and sent in terms of secure. i met with him and with other members of families of people have been killed by the police we had a discussion with him and i absolutely promise he would look into the issue and that he was there to support families of course he did nothing of the sort and so historically. has really 'd not been there for the families and we don't expect them to be there for the families again the fundamental issue here is that the cunt this country is very well aware of what's going on in this country and this

government and previous previous governments are very very aware of what's going on and they refuse to do anything about it so the people need 'd to do something about themselves and i know that the families are will and i say to try to get excellent bodies to come into the u.k. to try and assist them in their struggles for justice well we might as a guest on our own but one thing he has promoted on the front bench of people that some of him have supported the iraq war i think many people may be surprised that you've jumped from police deaths in custody in the cells of police stations and a war that killed maimed torah displaced tens of millions of people what is the exact connection. well the connection is one of power one of abuse and one of the rights of even beings to write the right to life wherever they are whether they're in brixton or in bus or they have the right to life and it's the police in the u.k. who is shooting people like john charles a minute and it's it's the army the u.k.

army or issues the people in bastrop so somebody that's being killed and to the family that's fighting for justice they really can't see any difference in terms of how they treat of course the situation of war is very situation very different to the civil situation we are in the stand a fundamental sources of work here are a capitalist system which benefits from war and it's the same system that benefits from the control of people through groups or police and so the connection is very close but there's another connection of course and sums of relations between campaigns we know for example in case the bloody sunday families and families from iraq have come over and met with families here and there is a connection there in some of the resistance 'd we've made of people across the world to know what's happening in the u.k. and also it knows already what it's done in iraq but i'm not sure that it is enough about what it's done it in its own homes well apology committee releasing a report on legacy issues or today i just want to get through what the authorities

reach for as excuses because in the film you suggest that victims they say they're blamed for their own death and inquest and you also suggest that judges work with cases like older to dismiss the charges of wrongdoing on the behalf of security forces. well the truth of the angry black person a racist argument has been pulled out in this country for hundreds of years and the death of people in custody particularly black people people who are not indigenous u.k. that kind of racism fills the argument and that's both a nice paper story it's a great you see when somebody dies at the hands of police when somebody is killed by police it's police officers who are 'd there who have to give evidence if this independent witnesses and they are watching as well but it's the voices who is at the offices that's billy the general public of that investigation is done by

a government organization whether it's the i.p.c.c. or their p.c. and then it's judges who are again sworn to the crown to make a decision so here you have a circuit a situation where every element every organization that's meant to investigate these cases is actually beholden to the state and so we'll never have independence we'll never have justice on lest there's a political will. and police who 'd are coming through through oppression well at least we have a free media journalists covering it even mainstream media journalists are talking about the protests in nigeria security forces killing protest has been in your in your film ultraviolence you talk about a certain television media complicity yeah i think television in our opinion has to every any 2nd has on the previous one till you have nothing left and you. think there are certain major ready organizations basically the international ones. and what happens here now the coverage of these there is there with the newspapers of

course they travel. but they consistent following of the families the assistant investigation into these cases and the need to look at the patterns here 50 is 2000 deaths unto him an injustice no journalist in the u.k. not the b.b.c. i'm not the times and nobody at actually ever counted the number of people killed by the police now i think that's a fundamental journalistic piece of integrity that has found in this country so they're not even counting the number of people have been killed how not the people expect them to look at the patterns to look at the problems and silicates solutions and i think that's why we condemn in the media and also we condemn the media within this film because as everybody knows broadcasters in this country intrude in china for the b.b.c. and refused to screw this phone despite the fact that site injustice was as he said an award 'd winning film was shown or all over the world was screened and you are screened in south africa news isn't in the united states either but not in the 'd

u.k. so i think the fact there's a phone which has been passed around effectively by the u.k. around issues of there simply scarcity is it's an indictment of the so-called freedom of speech we have in this country freedom of speech is not unlimited 'd in any place well those broadcasters deny censorship and fair thank you. that's of the show will be back on wednesday he had to the day the european union agreed to a fed ex it extension today britain is just a few weeks away from possibly having no comprehensive trade agreement with the e.u. under an arguable lack of protection for the n.h.s. from us corporations this is the u.k.'s health system tries to cope with covert trying to do all that catchable of our interviews what are your job and don't forget to join the underground by following us on twitter facebook and grams have.

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