now i so i do not see any reason why the informal should partnership between russia and china won't break down in the forseeable future but there are serious challenges to that relationship and it is these challenges are only ones that people in washington and london come from really waving recent times so for example china is continuing to try and undermine russia's predominance in central asia and how come all the more so once china launches its wong belts and it is if you have russia's very close relationship relationships with india which is a very serious concern for china because india and vietnam. through various potential adversaries all china and china could very easily come and go in a war we have both of those countries and then you have china's very close

relationship with america which gives a lot of concern to the kremlin. and so we also have to take into consideration the military relationship now i'm very aware of what president putin says i'm not so sure he really believes that there will be a military alliance because the russians are very sensitive and concerned about supplying high tech components cilicia chinese military because many in the kremlin all concerned. lusher could be there was enough military force in china one day it could threaten the national security of the russian federation now all that said i see the relationship between russia and china continuing to blossom in the future but there are very serious challenges tourettes you know it. really has it didn't have to be this that this wasn't an inevitability. this relationship we can put ever whatever. adjective you want to put in front of it but this is basically the

the makings of washington i mean and and they did it with eyes wide open go ahead george yes without question. what. has happened since the end of the cold war has been a massive expansion of nato something that the russians will be to play war and they go to the existential threat. the united states withdrawing brahmans key military agreements with russia most recently from the i.n.f. treaty but before that from the a.b.m. treaty and now also they're planning to withdraw from the open skies agreement. and now you know it could be that the new start treaty is also for the history. so that's one thing but the other thing which is over real terms on russia is the level of

a big true that is directed toward russia and the strong ordinary be from the tomboys press but from the very highest levels oh the u.s. government to talk about the. the people who are in the executive branch with people who are in congress. and of course you have the media stoking that so when you have. the absence of any omes agreements a bus to go all the train developing buses it's sort of possibility yes then russia does feel threatened and is obviously gone towards china not china also feels very threatened because it is gradually replacing the united states as the global head human have enormous economic and financial power and never in history has one has human quietly ceded its the role in the world to a rising that human and given the hostility that emanating war chime in.

trumpet especially now biden is actually saying that trump is being too soft on china so it's quite obvious that some sort of a serious home plate between the united states and china is like in the very near future so because the wives both russia and china book existential reasons are increasingly growing towards each other google was saying was that this is a real possibility is not saying that is going to happen tomorrow at that had no real possibility so you know. that's marcus and that's exactly how i read it is that you know it's on the table and it is negotiable and it depends on external factors and i think that that was just kind of basically putting up the flag on the floor and seeing if anybody salutes and it is actually also a warning ok because there's there's this. ridiculous li held concept in the west is that russia is just begging to join the american coalition and you

know it and in its of this part of this american exceptionalism if you just listen to us and do it we say everything will be fine with the russians not that's not true in the chinese certainly don't know that's not true as a matter of right now china is on the receiving end of what russia has been on the receiving end for years go ahead mark. oh absolutely paisa you know gone are the days away in the last just sort integration with the west and i'm talking about us in the early days. since his tenure in power now that he's that he's long gone laughter so the day eases shrive into a chief for potential in the wells and russia understands acutely that in order for his search chief its full potential then he is really does have to seek should he take alliances around the world and that is one of the main reasons why russia has forms that they saw unofficial shifts egypt partnership with china and it's

certainly the case that a military alliance between moscow and beijing ease possible unless those challenges to the relationship which i outlined moments ago of his oath and our military alliance simply will not happen and it is it is also a case that there is talk in washington and london that the american screwed that's what we are should nixon attempted and indeed actually achieved to draw china away from us as nixon drew china away from the soviet union and i referred earlier to how china has a very very heavy relationship with america that is one way if the americans could achieve distrust in the relationship between moscow and beijing now i don't see that happening in the 1st. boss or anything new anything is possible

that challenges between russia and china really have to be resolved and in regards to india and russia is put itself forward so who all of the parties concerned as a mediator as a british because russia has said in china india and 3 and a half that leslie was so for all. less fuel cells for the soul the difference is that who is going to benefits it is going to be america last russia acts and as a mediator has not worked so far because china and india came so close. to question is tension is growing that's free in china and finance and the chinese know who breaks out in strange china and india or china and vietnam have chinese soldiers who die and die behind last may's weapons and those options off into that safe india and so i do hope this challenge charity results you know but i think i think that given the case of ok having difficulty resolving these issues ok it's

that these are very clear here but the other the other gambit is is to trust washington and i don't see that's possible i think that george you were i saw you nodding your head i mean the thing is is that the american politics is at a point right now we're russia is just the cultural to fight your internal enemies ok so i can't see how this is going to change very much and i think the chinese have actually learned to watching how washington is treated a must in it's a real printer because all the issues that mark has just brought up it's probably easier to deal with those issues than to deal with the administration in the united states. though we have a question peter because. this kind of talk comes from washington about how well we should now be a tilt toward russia against china just as nixon tilted towards china against the soviet union it's just hogwash because. of the so many years of

unremitting hostility toward russia and serious threat towards russia you can't just turn around and say oh well that will be bygones be bygones and now please joy . join us in some kind of a global coalition against china i mean there are terms on stupid if they go perfectly well that essentially what's behind this is a kind of let's you and him fight you know they're going to try and push russia into a war with china and then eikenberry going to just of the said back why this is this is a really bad conflict going on here so i think there's just you know that train left the station a long time ago. but i do think that the come from china complete with india and china company real are i think much less urgent right now than the conflict with the united states i mean that's the that's a serious one because here you get. the united states which is really now very

concerned about this role in the world and this is this is not happen this is we're talking now but it's like a $45.00 no one has challenged the united states the supremacy in the world i mean yes the soviet union did when he came to nuclear arms but in terms of economics finance. geopolitical influence certainly you could rival the states china is not in a position to do that ok i didn't want any we're going to go to a short break and that's our break we'll continue our discussion in some real state with our. tax guys or financial survival guide stacey let's learn. let's say i'm a strike at any or at least angry response banks have to fight. thank you for make . sure 6 that's

right well actually that's slavery. in the 1920 s. and thirty's several 100 african-americans moved to the soviet union and many of them to. cendant still live in russia. going at the risk of knowing no rush but us throw up at our stuff guess who got to school wasted on things and us at the dock national scott back home black american suffered from racism and a complete lack of prospects. is that columbus month the real libya loses show one by else a store or by door to. so they decided to leave everything behind and start a new life in a country about which they knew almost nothing at all and some of the your rear groups whose earlier through your union in the if you heard round great crowd. who lulay a good few you're going to call. you and now almost

a 100 years later the history is repeating itself my great grandfather george time we went to russia. on probable worst crime to go anywhere why not me. why don't i come here. and i'll show it's seemed wrong. but old paul just don't call. me you call me yet to shape out of disdain he comes to educate and in games from an equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart when she's to look for common ground.

welcome back to cross up where all things are considered i'm here a little true mind you were discussing some real news. ok let me go back to marcus and in london pat buchanan an author i often cite on

this program and came out with another brilliant column a couple of days titled america a land of ceaseless conflict and he ruminates about the evolution that some people have in the political class media in the united states is that once trump's gone everything is going to go back to normal will get everyone will be quiet and even you know joe biden said on the campaign trail nothing will fundamentally change these people don't know what they're talking about because the rift that is going on in american politics and culture is so deep the obese the abyss is so deep that i think that you know what happened in the trunk administration is this reflection of those divisions that he didn't create those divisions irrespective of how you feel about trump so going back to normal that's an illusion marcus what do you think. america is not for want of a better word

a new whole country firstly it was born out of genocide and secondly and the fact so i'm going to side now might be distasteful to a lot of people when in particular liberals are quite frankly i'm not interested in what they frank america is not a nation states and that manes america has never truly had an identity america has never truly has a coach was the most soulful the largest groups groups in america are moving european for example with english german sorriest so sirish and and irish there are many other ethnic groups there if you take australia australian america has relatively speaking similar length periods of history there is more of an australian national identity in culture and unity than there is in america

because the vast majority of australians dissent from the british otto's in particular england but in america the you do not have that sort of harmony so that is a major problem we hear a lot of liberals in america talk about how america is a successful military it would be nice if everyone in the wells was united that is not how human beings have evolved human beings have the foundations of us if over into trying that is the way it is this is the way it's always will be and indeed 1st i'm a person once asked rather tartly doesn't merit rashly have a coach and i'm saying it doesn't because america is not a nation state that is why america will always be divided no matter who sits in yeah but you can make the argument too that it is a nation state of multiple tribes ok i think that that. that's a viable argument to make you but george you know to my point here i mean these

divisions have been with us for a very long time and something more one of my favorite mantras as you well know is that you know the the i'm the neil liberal ideology that is that is practiced and forced down on on everyone it's it does argue about what culture means what american culture means but they refused to talk about class and that is the biggest division ok you know a black live matter there n.t.v. you know or a portion you know these are the things they do to keep us divided and i and i would be willing to say. saw it very differently and it's up to our viewers to decide how successful he has been but the you know the class issue is what got him elected and that's an issue that could get him reelected if he were focused on it but it is late day in the game i don't know if he's going to be able to to overcome the but you know joe biden said you know nothing will fundamentally change well

that's the problem when things need to fundamentally change ok because the next republican after trauma of those in 4 years or 8 years it's going to be somebody that's going to be like trump but probably a far more effective in office go ahead george. yes here's the other problem with the united states you know and to be a functioning democracy in means that there is a consensus and there's a consensus about the succession of power i mean what happened in 2016 and i think it at least in terms of modern history is never happened which is one class simply refused to accept that election result well when that happens of course then you've got the makings of a civil war because whichever way this election goes it's almost certainly going to be a very close one and it's very unlikely that either side will accept the election result

. should be reelected then you the so those who have been rioting all of this year plus that of the media allies will be justifying the violence of the with black lives matter they will be in support they will be they will support the violence and they will just simply refuse to accept trumps re-election whether they blame russia for it or they'll find something else of the blame the october surprise the brave bring it all trumps by bringing up the there's a laptop they will blame that and almost certainly within days of being inaugurated nancy pelosi house will launch an impeachment yet another impeachment if it goes the other way if it goes if biden wins and particularly after what we're going to have these elections you where we're going to be counting and counting and

counting for weeks on end and so on the woe biden is one we've got the votes then i think they'll be a real burst in the growth of the militant movement and as happened in the ninety's it's quite likely that the u.s. administration will likely try to crack down on the militant movement. if it ends in the kind of bloodshed as happened in waco 1903 then you know then the best really good to be of violence a very serious insurrection that the government may well not be able to cope with because even the government in britain don't have like other little happened at waco i mean the yemeni government itself there might be ok that's when you you know marcus i don't think the topic for the program i think there is american culture but i mean probably think about it differently being an american i suppose but i mean one thing that you know for a viable nations you have to have institutions where there is a consensus that they these institutions have legitimacy kind of picking up my

georges and their these institutions you not have universal legitimacy and not is the problem right here people don't believe in the electoral outcomes anymore ok they don't believe that the in the state is going to enforce protection of their rights we've seen and it depends on what you know what your political create is i mean you can you can land on one side of the law and if you have a different radio on another side ok and it's basically liberals that take care of themselves and if you put the perfect example of people in trumps orbit being indicted and things like that then with the legitimacy of the system as they saying is and doubt this election is going to show it go ahead months if i can pay such wall following a society to get off a dominant culture that is absolutely crucial for ensuring. home use the existence of society but i absolutely accept there are many other factors

which can be sciences to account for why american society historically is divided and as you correctly cited peter cost is a major factor and that is something about i think the democrats and all those upon it can see. you can't in syria count those who see it down i suspect they know it's the case. yes that lisa me on through your money i believe that if there is somebody who realistic chance a realistic opportunity of creating a far greater degree of harmony never in society then there has to be. another political party in america one that is truly independent one that does not have a very slow uclear spirit miss military industrial. complex to the big pharmaceutical companies foreign policy. israel and saudi arabia

they have only they could be a real chance your life both and. that is more shots of hell freezes over than over another ass emotion like price in britain britain is dominated by the conservative party and the labor party unless that changes in britain unless changes in america then the situation we see in both countries will just continue indefinitely it's been continuing like hundreds of years peter nothing fundamentally changes in either britain or america or why those policies in america britain parts of the of the assassinations the british and the american perspective. you know you know george really unite talked about the gaggle about how please be aware that the d.o.j. was starting antitrust against google unfortunately an american problem in the u.k.

do you can have antitrust against political parties i would be all for and i had to break up those do big parties because the fact of the matter is the most common political affiliation in the united states is not affiliated ok they've the majority of the population of voting age is politically home. yes ok and weak and as long as they remain homeless the status quo will be maintained except for changes on the margins ok and it's all about you know it's it's a celebrity politics is what it's about nobody wants to talk about the substance because if you did most people pull out of the pitchforks and they should go ahead george yes yes that's right and it's kind of interesting that when the boches attempt to. push their way into the united states they were met with or roche's opposition by the maids the but is there a personal tied them up in court because it's quite hard to get on the balance in the united states in that you have to have 850000 signatures or whatever and you

keep challenging the signature and you take them to put an essential. list of happened with russ or oh there's your top of the bat you've got another and then what you had when the case or are out neda is a massive media but still it was him you know how dare you run how dare you take both aware of the. rights based you know you well. that's right and they did not win with jill stein the great you are letting in trump you know what. this is clearly a russian well. so it is extremely hot but a thought body would go out of than anywhere else or in other countries but bodies are emerging not too much typical but in the united states almost impossible to do that but but you're right when you if you get a security where people are homeless and are unable to express their that is then violence is more likely out in fortunately have to leave on that very depressing

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