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well i think you know musk. that's why it's presented that way but it is good in some ways but the moment he just been experimented on with pigs as i understand so there's no human joy i was here not only is it. but only the type of electrodes they're using the not rigid the electrodes that i have implanted in my nervous system were. like like a hairbrush. and the potential there is that i can break off and of course firing them into the brain on a system and be quite dangerous a 100 spikes in my nervous system so i think if we're looking at a very. you know you can move them around the top of electrodes the they will unless he's talking about then that's much better because they can move with all the system but the issue i have is how do you implement them 'd in
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a human because with the in blood i have just how mary jane berry quick very swift with the type of electrodes must refers to i can't say how that's possible so i have a big questions yet how it will work as far as humans are concerned doesn't post to just the pigs that is the drugs or let's let's speculate a bit because if i get it right they idea of here a link is to transfer trust made our thoughts directly to the computer without the need of any middleman technology and at a much higher speed right how is it supposed to work exactly like well i have to say what i want inside my head for a computer to deliver on that what do you make of it. well timidly we don't know how well it's going to work what's being done so far is more motor signals so make any movement and those normal signals can be sent out sorry to
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a robot um to cause it to move so you can move technology remotely but also in terms of sensory information you can feed that back into the writing so it's motor and sensory that's what's been done so far but the big advantages of course is when you what you're referring to the possibility of sending also it's a prime signal was only brian to the not just through a computer but the tension into another prime or into a machine an artificial intelligence right so that the whole possibility of communicating by thought back in full for me is tremendously exciting but we don't brood immense a bit like telegraphic communication from nervous system to nervous system but i think a long muskies is for example if were you why i'm doing an experiment sending signals from brian to brian which i think would be
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a one of the big advantages there's lots of other advantages more brains are flexible and they're constantly changing according to what we deal with them does that imply that it's chip implant would have to be app created and updated all the time just as well like i don't know by lap locations. i don't think so i think what we're looking at rather than a chip implant it's a bit like a pull out i don't know if people are aware of the vilna my tricks yet. raves howdah a lot of sockets in the back of the taping we've growing it's a bit like that it's opening up a port into the brain those are your heroes then i will defend brain signals by the connection to have to wherever and signals back into the bing so the chip itself is not really doing anything in the right so i don't think you need to upgrade the technology with the beautiful thing is that the human brain cells what i do what it
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right and so does is really communicate either from brain cell to bright sallow from the outside well into the brain and so on and the brain cells like to communicate and i really fail here that once you get this port in the brighton they're growing so as will adopt the day out flexible they can make new connections even when you're older they still like new connections and hence i think i will accept an implant quite readily no problems about the materials that's not an issue but i will accept what they can do and when the brain cells can communicate in a whole new way they will go for it they the brain cells will hey yeah we want to do this effectively and so we will have quite a switch it's not just a case of putting the implant in and it will do what it can do i think over a period of time though your brain will adapt to the new possibilities. well i know
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you get excited about the prospect of communicating with each other without words in the future was a help with alex rhodes implanted in our neural system but i'm thinking like the beauty of the thought is sometimes in fact that it's private when i choose not to broadcast it i just shut up so if we all communicate by thought someday right what happens if we don't want similar thoughts to be transmitted. well i i have to disagree with you there because i think with technology what we've seen what we've actually seen with facebook and all sorts of different made twitter and so on is the way moon humans can communicate in a whole new way that i really go for it that's what it's whether you're a child with your own how do you can communicate in a new way that is exciting for you because that's what your brain cell want to do it's not that you're going against what your body will see is what your brain cells
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want to do and so the privilege is not an issue we don't worry about credit cards and having information on us all the time by code companies and shops because the advantages we get by being able to do that to use the technology and with communication we don't worry too much it's all about the previously issues if we go on social media because of the advantages we get in their new ability to communicate and hence i think that is going to be the critical factor we will want to do it we will want to communicate directly writing to run even though it opens up possibilities of people literally hacking into our brains finding what some of our innermost thoughts it's the interface essentially between the here when brian and technology that's the problem and once we integrate that to much more i believe
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maybe we won't worry about our innermost thoughts because we gaining some much older or we build up a new way of approaching that we have you know most thoughts because your brain is not just one organ it's a lot so different organs effectively that there are different things and so maybe within part of your brain you can have the source yes this person is silly or i don't like them whatever but you don't want them to know that my. being communicated to him even brought into grime you are able to filter the moment we don't know because we simply cannot and the sort of thing let's not so i don't do it because of the loss of river city we need to do the experiments now to r. and r. and if there are issues that you're citing right be we pull back from it to tell you i suspect that one should but ok it's one thing to implant alex rhodes to read signals saying why are 2 brain regions but our thoughts are the product of billie
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and of neural connections how can an eloquent device connected self to every single neuron made task same was improbable. i don't i don't think we're connecting to every single neuron that's not the idea at all they even with a long long musket talking or perhaps thousands of connections all i have so far in the experiments i've done is 100 in action in the body when you are communicating now you don't use all of you to communicate using a small relatively small number so i think it is this this pull out you're still looking might be thousands maybe it might be millions of connections in the end but relative to the 100000000000 neurons that you've got it's still a relatively small number so don't think you're looking at you age growing so to an electrode that's not what we're looking to do by any means but a small number. number is fairly large because you know lots of possibilities but
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there are questions with which neurons in the writing do you just connect them over to the new rules if you connect with the sensory your arms and song all day you spread it around much more so where the electrodes of position is something we will need to learn with which is the best positions and so on carol had to take a sharp break right now when we're back we'll continue talking about what's going to happen when when marsh technology with our brains talking to kevin warwick professor of saturn at except commentry and reading here never said a send the 1st cyber ever stay with us.
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we humans are pretty limited in what we can do particularly mentally and we just have a bunch of brain cells and surprising because it seems to me that especially mentally we still don't know our limits i mean we keep on studying our brains and keep on being amazed at how complex and powerful they are why do you feel that humans are limited. well we're we have a finite number of primes out was and certainly i agree with you that we could do more with the brine so if we go out and maybe this link will allow us to learn what the possibilities are but at the same time we can see when you look at computer technology particularly artificial intelligence some of the news that it can do just the speed and complexity of the way it can make calculations communication communicate better computer the computer communication is much better than human communication so we did does
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a lot of things better than we do so the possibility not just there being restricted with the brains we've got with a finite number of brain so but even even just combining to hear him and brian's together. i mean that to me has a lot of advantages not just because of the communication but because of the the addition and it's thinking in terms of not communicating not sending just signals as we do now but in terms of emotions failing the ideas concepts the whole thing the whole gamut what's going well you know rhymes we have the possibility of communicating in a much better why so linking just to bring together we can trying to sort of transfer ideas from person to person i would believe in a much better why are. so ill mass claims maryland has a huge there are paddick potential being able one day to have paralysis out same or
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parkinson's disease can your lymph glands bring back the actual ability to hear to see. well i think the therapeutic side of things is with one of the things that will drive it forward yes already parkinson there implants depression and so on but a lot of other neurological problems schizophrenia i think is one of those things at the moment has not been tackled electrically is we have to remember the brain is a lecturer chemical ali electrical partly chemical where i was most medicine is chemical and they would also it's are side effects if you you have a headache you try aspirations and yet how side effects and he probably still doesn't so the headache you've got is we could potentially track all sayings like that electrically so there's all sorts of therapeutic possibilities but i think
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when we look to the future in maybe some of the things that we do at the moment but equally in terms of communication we wonder in the future we will move on we will evolve with the technology and so this way of communicating. doing. well don't have to because we don't need to communicate about why when we think to reach other we can communicate in a much richer form a much better much better why we will find it quite people leak the numbers that evolved from us we'll look back inside a car how did they communicate in such a limited wife all of this years back in 20 trying to. help there's an example of the color blind man having an antenna add that lets he sends the colors so i read you talk about things that lead one feel ultrasound are getting for a vision what else is like a real possibility for you in terms of for humans what can you see as an actual
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doable thing in the nearest future versus theoretical possibilities you know what 11 of the things i feel is how we understand the world around us. we turn to the human brain operates in 3 dimensions spidey sense and texture and saunas are 3 going ungentle saying which are good spaces no 3 don't mention all species 5 and you can put as many dog mentions as your understanding of it which of course with machine technology you really ought to visually intelligent . your machines don't understand the world around us in hundreds or thousands of dollars mentions which is much more complex and i really feel it realistic it is in the years ahead we will understand the universe in many more dark mentions that we do with the moment and that i hope will change spice trouble for example in the
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moment because we think in 3 dimensions so it takes us a long time just to get to the moon which is almost nowhere in the universe if they want to go to not as we go it's just there it's never going to type several years to get that because we're thinking in 3 dimensions when we start to sing this joint human machine thinking in terms of trying to dodge mentions or 30 got mentioned then all we can do we can we can just do that through the dark mentions or i sincerely hope that it's going to be a possibility i don't like to think of us just being stuck in this one part of the universe can the technology actually improve my brain function at least theoretically i mean can i implanted sheep and be finally able to learn languages solve complex math problems or be able to play flawlessly without 20 years of practice and experience. that your question i'm not. going
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to find out about things that i would love to do and i know better who my musical instruments are absolutely terrible on languages my wife is jack and i still i'm not very good thing the checked language so if there was some how on that i was going to try but i mean with things will change with languages i don't know do we will need languages where we're going i sincerely hope that when we can communicate just part of thinking to each other there's a lot of things we we think about it and you. sitting in a chair i'm sitting in a chair. we can sync of those things in the ideas of those things but then we use language just to describe it to someone else if we're not using speech intentionally we don't need language those things will change dramatically i never feel loss of us i really think in line with joy i honestly don't relate we do sing
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specifically in some language construct i think we put languages on it but it's something that will charting dramatically and. maybe abilities mopes a billet is the ability to play golf and song which again i'm not particularly good at but if i can download i think that's got to be some short term possibility download a number of movements into my body which will cause me to play golf a little bit better i probably still won't be as good as the professional golfers off but i can see why those particular type of movements it is a robotic way be done like it into my prime so i perform some interactions but my body is not a professional golf buddies are still probably wouldn't be as good but it would be a lot better than i was before. so if the brain it in a more distant future will be connected to
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a network create cheap of some kind and that network will be run by artificial intelligence therefore artificial intelligence will be able to map all processes that go on inside a brain if it will if it will know and be able to a set of left look at the process inside a brain when will it lead to theoretically having consciousness what i want to say is that the desire to enhance humans lead to a very in hands artificial intelligence and stad. yes it could be mark my word is if we don't do this then not could be a dying tourists in our we could how about a visual intelligence in a with a form of consciousness that potentially is very different to human consciousness or is it what alan turing said many machines by count might be conscious well those they can be but it's probably different human punches but when we look at something that is an amount in my sion then i i would be quite happy i would love to have
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a mixed form of consciousness not just the human target that we've got but also a machine element of that consciousness because it would give me all sorts of abilities and abilities to think in a much deeper way so i think there are lots of advantages to but there are also potential dangers that you're alluding to and i'm not something we're going to have to be very careful of very wary of anyone i think whether artificial intelligence is separate to humans but chiefly in the military to mind how much are we going to allow it to do the financial sector and so on without humans being in control of what's going on as opposed to this mixed or home and wheeling human brains with machine brines in the possibility of having this ben holmes mixed consciousness are . human so you point out the close connection between technology and the human
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plane will affect a share of autonomy of human beings and i'll ask point blank right. once our brains are connected to computers will this be the end of us as fully autonomy as balls because i mean machines will be able to make us think certain things and modify our behaviors accordingly. you know i think you're quite right i mean even now all we really would tell him beings the possibility of living just yourself one person in the world that we live in now is it's a straight maybe some people who i don't think i could i'm not sure that my body would take the different foods that i have to wait whether i would be able to survive in a world where i was the only person effectively so i think we need our network we need of the people we need technology now to live in the world we're in and then this is just taking it out bit further. in terms of understanding what is going on
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in the human brain i think with therapeutic methods now one of the projects i'm working on for parkinson's disease with electrodes in the bronx to teach the brian how to behave in a way that out of a comes the problems of parkinson's disease with those electrodes and using ira what we do basically learn how to go to the different brian parts of the brian behaving particularly those that are affected in parkinson's is a so it's remodeling the brine in an artificial intelligence system and you can get for example $11.00 puppy for the the typical traumas the associated with parkinson does a full or stop the artificial intelligence system to know several seconds ahead that they are going to stop so the person themselves doesn't know they're going to have the trauma stopping but the computer does so i think we can give advantage of
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understanding the human brian much more through computer technology which we can use for therapy which helps people that's going to be a good thing but also we can enhance the why we're thinking you know the computer knows what we've got to think before we think if you all know how ryrie voice an opinion. that augmentin yourself with tact will be a thing of rich people mostly i mean of course like in the beginning like it was with the awesome abeles or cell phones it certainly will be but this time we're not talking cell phones we're talking evolutionary level change will at whole layer of people be excluded from having abilities will kick you'd like to create split to humanity into 2 tires are wealthy enough to be cyborgs and the rest but strike the common folks. well i don't know it would look to be oh yes now everything's going to be all right but if we look realistically with technology as you've said. with
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some farms we want to move some people have them some people have more of them and some people don't how many of them until i think what that does is it stretches society in terms of society's abilities so it goes with the technology can communicate the most sorts of wise and interact and can benefit from it and those without any of this is starting to really have very limited capabilities in comparison so we're stretching to start here but larkin the last. i think this will do is further stretch it so yes that was the the money and i was the one to experiment a bit get in that 1st will have abilities and those that don't have implants in the right will not have anything like those abilities but the key thing is i think it was structured a bit like an elastic but most likely not bound it is going to bright so that we end up with those that are having plans that will connect control munich just by
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thinking to each other and so on will have abilities why beyond those that don't so i think it could easily create stress the bouncer would just split the vote into those with a moment's notice without. right karen it's been such a pleasure talking to you good luck with everything we're talking to kevin warwick professor of cybernetics. and reading university the world's 1st. even after russia gate was debunked as a hoax this conspiracy theory lives on in fact it appears to become part of parcel
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