really reported on i immediately got smeared so those either silenced or smeared and i sort of went through the silencing and smearing rotation you know throughout the destroyed my reputation when after my education they went after everything about me smearing the and every opportunity they could from the time i was 7 years old on you know i lost my housing i lost work i lost money everything my pets were threatened my daughter was threatened my life was threatened it's not even about hunter per se or you know my story is of course important to me but but on a matter level it's about the fact that we've we've entered into a propaganda state where we don't have objective media we just have we're being spoon fed what certain billionaires one us to have or what making kelly refers to as corporate overlords my point is that sexual assault and sexual harassment are nonpartisan and you know what i see the d.n.c.

doing is basically not just elevating a predator but they're enabling them and then using need to as a mantle to cover so it's like a wolf in sheep's clothing. broadcasting live from moscow this is our to international the stories keep coming at the top of the hour hope we can go through them together then life or not. the community comes from. their community comes from those a lot of thing to them where you do so the possibility. of being restricted with brines we've gone with a fine art known group growing but even today even just combining true human brands to go. to movie has

a lot of the advantages. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm people will tell even after russia gate was debunked as a hoax this conspiracy theory lives on in fact it appears to become part and parcel of our political discourse if you will post someone or an idea all you have to do is blame in russia no facts necessary slurs and in fact was claims now suffice.

to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest patrick lawrence in norfolk he is a foreign affairs commentator who's calling sapir in consortium news and other publications and in lake jackson we have daniel mcadams. he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity are jumping across the polls and i think that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated well it's going to patrick enough i read your article the damage russia gate has done with great pleasure because you numerate very clearly in a very well written article the damage this is done to our political discourse and they said in my introduction it seems to be part and parcel of our political discourse now because if you're angry with someone or against an idea you certainly know what to invoke the russians that it even though the hoax was shown to be actually a conspiracy to overthrow a democratically rightfully elected president but here we are here we are. i mean

the the the idea for the piece came up when i started thinking about. we've talked about russia gate in terms of the damage it's done to. american russian relations dreadful dangerous lands assume so forth already. we've talked about it in terms of . it's it's use. as a hammer to attack president trump but it started to occur to me with this new election coming this thing this this thing has poisoned our society in ways that nobody's quite reckoned up with the i'm a practitioner my entire professional life but that doesn't matter the to me the oem the most consequential. outcomes of this is the self destruction of the american press i mean it's we're living without

a proper press except for independent media and i don't remember whether i mentioned it in the piece this is the moment for independent media great. use of brilliant phrase how liberals have become so you liberal in the in the media hype danny and let me let me go to you i mean you and i have known each other for many many years and we've discussed of course regime change the united states has backed all around the world but who would have thought that they would have done try to do it in the united states and that's exactly what's happened because you have all these centers of power there in this disgraceful dangerous and brace with the intelligence services it's quite amazing if we compare the baseless this of russia gate and the allegations surrounding the biden family which there are it's there's forensic evidence to discuss ok i'm not making any claims here but i mean

look how how different they approach one set of it independent when they were calling the benefit actually a mansion facts and then facts that are in front of you that you can actually read i mean there are polar opposites daniel. if i can start by saying i've been a lifetime journalist and. i would have to say the attic lawrence in my opinion is the finest journalist writing today it doesn't matter if you agree with his opinion or not his writing style is brilliant it's refreshing to read so i don't want to make this a love fest but it's just a delight to read anything patrick writes but as a question you know i know i've said this before but i spent the ninety's trudging around central and eastern europe watching the pre color revolution at the pre cover color revolutions slovakia 98 albanian 1996 croatia in 97 over and over again with the british i think in the one thing that we always said when we watched all the players lining up we watched the u.s. government partnering with groups like the soros organizations in these countries

in the liberal n.g.o.s in these countries we said if we don't expose this now if we don't write about what's happening now this kind of blueprint will come to our shores we always said it over and over i know it sounds like i'm so congratulatory but we said it over and over if we don't write about this and expose it it will come to our shores lo and behold 201720168 has come to our shores and it's either way. you know we've now got we've now got not to be missed among your or among your viewers peter we've now got the cia in in contravention of its own charter operating on domestic soil we have the cia operating in in a covert alliance with a major political party and not to be missed with law enforcement and you will know about all this the right and it goes on and on and on i want your viewers to

understand this is a country this is a country and not something close to free fall by way of our our most basic institutions this russian gay thing has really can dust to our very foundations right and i know i know i mean just this morning daniel will know. we've got we've now got one of the people involved in the biden's. in the bidens influence peddling in china. a guy named anthony but wilensky he's right there a navy veteran it senator cetera. and the press it's what they're trying to bury a bloody mountain it's getting to be rather too high to bury right they're not coming back from this you know and it will roll on and on and on this guy get an interview with chuck or carlson i hope your viewers can see it by streamer who are

absolutely actually it will tell a lot of the story daniel and i are talking about it's all coming back home just as daniel said. it but when it gets free press because it's no longer free i mean it's all being done in broad daylight i mean you have all of these big tech companies censoring or one of the most well known along igs along the existing publications the new york post and everybody knows about it and no one really says no one protests you know who doesn't protest journalists don't protest this is what's really terrifying you know i was a little boy when i was a little boy in a train my age right now it was journalists that told the american people about what was going on in vietnam it was journalists the talked about the corruption of the nixon administration but now it's journalists when they're my primary function now is to slam other journalists for getting out of line mainstream journalists or anything that the place of independent journalism in this country is growing more

significant by the day and let's let's broaden the definition well not include such programs such as your own peter wright. this is this is this is not going to work out well for the mainstream media there they're continuing influence is perfectly evident well i'm not really sure that's for him going to get. here again what it works for that turns people that you know are you know getting p.-six take your seat year they get the they have access to power and they're celebrities i mean it works for them ok but it doesn't work for anyone else and it really tells us in a very dangerous way we don't need to proceed because if you just tell us what to think anyway that's what's happening right now very soon short circuiting the system of representative government and let me go to the end of it and if you were one were conspiracy minded which of course none of us are if you look at the

development of journalism in the past 10 or 15 years it's pretty interesting because if you think in quote good old days journalists were almost treated as professors the almost had tenure when they were established a newspaper you know they had the freedom the intellectual freedom to pursue stories and with the destruction of print media which i guess is inevitable because of technology advancing all of a sudden that rug pulled out a journalist and i'm not making any excuses for them but all of a sudden they're patronage shifts are there's no longer a physical newspaper one of the right for there's no longer a platform for them to write for and so it seems like that's sort of undermined journalism as an institution and has left a huge gap into which special interests and things can and can jump in and i and i wish i i wish i felt more confidence about patrick's view that independent media is the future and i think ultimately that's true for right now and i know that places like consortium news that patrick writes for and certainly for us and

many many others the attempt to put the squeeze on independent media by social media which is also owned by tech news illian errors is incredible it's basically they want to make sure of that tree falls in the woods nobody better damn well hear it and so well. well well said we've now gone i mean that as a measure of the heywire yes you might see this morning this country is completely . last the rails hasn't reached right we're now got silicon valley cherokees walking around in blue jeans and flip flops etching the american press and this is with the new york post. and in the mainstream is not saying anything about it. they're silent about it you know if anything they're they're cheering you know whom this is going to bite them on the backside with you we've got a bunch of know nothing geeks. who have no notion of the 1st amendment or anything

else effectively american political shit but don't you think patrick and it went bothers me is that this is ideology in service of power see i mean they need truly think they're doing the right thing because people that think differently than them are obviously morally inferior not intellectually morally ok they're of value judgement on our morality and they do it in the end in the service of an ideology and that's what makes it so scary because you know i'm always very wary of a true believer is a means to anything but. we're looking at. war to spout this 190 years ago this is soft yes because i'm right this is the despotism of. a privileged minority. volume to your

viewers can find it all right and i who are here for years i don't care for dollar trump in many ways although i applaud a couple of those foreign policy positions. are here for years donald trump is going to come and go nice illiberal liberals are here to stay and they're the more dangerous force i wonder daniel agrees with me about the bit i absolutely have to think of the money and the power that's being spent on keeping those voices like us down but i do like my last segment with a bit of a downer well let me say that you know i believe all commonly what happens is that people's attention allegiances shift as in as and i hate to bring we always bring this back to a bill be any of what happened the system collapsed the newspapers were lies or what have. we saw the rise of the zombies dot we saw the arrival of the intellectual dissidents and actually people like you mentioned earlier on like an errant. that this didn't see we're going against the tyranny that was

a couple things so there is a model that we can follow as well even though tech tried to strangle us you know that the truth ultimately can't be stopped by by an army we have to have that kind of optimism gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break and continue here in discussion on russia gate and its everlasting effect on american political discourse state with our team . was a pandemic no certainly no blood is just blood into nationalities. 2

commentary this is. going to. we can do better we should be. everyone is contributing each of our own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenges created the response has been so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together. welcome back to crossed up were all things are considered i'm peter lavelle true mind you were talking about a russia gate seems to never disappear. all right let's go back to patrick i mean we are deeper and brought up the gentlemens

name anthony but i mean ski it was on time you show and he claims with. evidence. verifiable evidence that he was a go between for the biting family's business affairs around the world and he has been called in the mainstream media a sensually a traitor to his own country a man that served in the military in a very sensitive position he is a very successful businessman that's reason why he was tapped and he. saw things going on in the biden world that he felt very uncomfortable with and when he spoke out about it the mainstream came down viciously including congressman schiff from california us calling him a tool patrick and this is where where we have arrived is that if you disagree with the powers that be if you disagree with the status quo you're

a traitor you're you're not in a treasonous way that is a very toxic place to be in public discourse go ahead yeah yeah i mean. carlson is there a hurry on the wall there are you where he comes through trying to get anyone who isn't particularly interested or interested at all in matters such as that right little unsure which is very. the important part about that carlson interview is he surface in it in a media context that enjoys millions of viewers ok this is not something that's bumbling around. on websites that means that you're not threatening the primacy of the mainstream media he's got it his punch through here right and this is going to be a case that has been for some time. where the press. broadcasters are

trying to highlight something that is simply too large to holiday let's take that phrase from home aren't the immensity of actually they're trying to throw a blanket over something out they don't make blankets that big and this is why i think the mainstream media. is digging itself into a hole 'd they're not you know any out what this does is in and i want to say with the treason issue with that daniel is that you know what this does is that people don't believe the mainstream media and because they don't believe the mainstream media there are those individuals that go into the woods see great conspiracy theories i mean this is a reaction of of a closed information sphere ok they have themselves to blame for that but i want to stay with the tree something to say i think it's really important and as americans here questioning one's patriotism is it's a pretty i or thing to go to because i mean it's the last straw that's

a last card you can play in destroying someone's character go ahead and like what patrick wrote this piece he called the gang that couldn't shoot straight the people that initiated the initial rush the gate and that's the case they can't shoot straight but when they miss shooting they basically popup the whole country so they're shouting something but they're not shooting the right thing and that's the case with this you know they basically pissed off someone who had all the dirt on them and because of their arrogance and belief that they were the masters of the universe maybe with hunter that was brought on by some narcotics but whatever the case the belief that nobody can touch them as they're the hubris the pride has caused them to perhaps have a down fall because what's in it for this bubble and he's wealthy enough he's that everything he needs he's a democrat donor he's a democrat voter by its own admission so here he gets slammed in slime that's putin's tool by the idiot adam schiff who were. you know with saying one thing in

public about russia gate when he got under oath said something very very different well no i didn't have any. you know so they they play with fire and it looks like he might be getting burned well you know it's really interesting because it seems to me in that package that this is them in a very weird way in it with the pandemic also harm top of it and the economic catastrophe for tens of millions of people is a very interesting template then in controlling messages and controlling how people think about things and i find that very very scary because people are cowed people are terrified there's a lot of scaremongering out here and you know and of course the the the the rule of russia in the american mind you know goes back to the cold war and that is a very easy caricature for them but it's also a very interesting tool because as i've said many times on cross that there are not there's not much russia or russians in russia gate itself but it is

a template i'm controlling the public sphere and what people talk about and what people know and don't know ahead of i how you use you you use the word scary and scared couple of times. and our our moment is is is one where we were ordinary procedures institutional practices and so forth are collapsing one gets at the the degree of uncertainty with wish we had americans live unprecedented these term journalists used to avoid because what some president you can be careful but it's truly rare right going back a very long way in the 1000 century. but you know. who you know the only thing we have to fear is fear itself may. i think there's

a lot out front of us jan you'll spoil your independent media but i think there's a lot for us to look forward to and you have to accept that this kind of transformation social political institutional is gradual it's not it's not it we're not in but it's just my thought yeah but it seems to me that you know i'm going to get anyone right now these people are playing for broke they're playing for keeps ok i mean once they get all of the power then they're going to do with they want to do because they couldn't get it. through the elections in that sense you know they'll push things to the supreme court now they're going to have a barrier there will pack the court so this is about power and it's not about ideas ok and that's what i worry about it's about power ok danny also the issue here when i think of you know we talk about institutional geisha and that's going on and i think it's profound right now all of that disintegration is because freedom of

speech is compromised and controlled with out freedom of speech we are all of our institutions start to crumble because it's creepy a speech is the cement that keeps it all together and this is what scares me i'm scared about this ok because if it's me it may be you know because you can't have a decent conversation anymore i mean i love to disagree with people i learn from it but now even disagreeing that you're beyond the pale your mike this anthony guy i mean it seems like a pretty good guy to me and he's destroying i mean plummeted in public well you know the 1st thing a fear fear is like like a powerful stimulant or tyranny and the reaction to the coronavirus in the united states is something that i've written talk about for a long time and you can see it now very very clearly to find along political lines you saw the blue states where the. state governors are the most tyrannical and

treated the people the most in the most horrible manner and now you see very clear that the political lines are drawn to joe biden saying i'm the candidate of lock down and force mass and president trump saying on the candidate of freedom reopening a so you're saying the fear motivates people to give up their liberty and it has worked very well in the u.s. so without this fear i'm not denying the virus but i am definitely saying that the reaction to the virus has led to fear which has undercut people who would normally think for themselves you know and i think that's very important and the other point i would make your 2nd point is about tribalism and tribalism is so important it trumps truth at this point in our society if you present someone like with the bubble linsky interview with the or like with the text from the from the laptop or even the photos and i've talked to someone recently who has a mainstream media addict and i said hey but look what about this laptop and what about all of this stuff and the only response would be but what about that giuliani that is a bad guy you know i don't trust him so this sort of tribalism you know in the 3 of

us have very skeptical about a lot that trump has has to offer and and the way he's governed in the past 3 years however we i think are almost unique it seems to me at least in that we've been able to step back from tribalism and jumping into a camp and jumping on a theme and that is what's rare in the united states these days you know it prevented one of the big daniel grains of such a good point you know this is almost an interesting repeat of of the protest the e-mails in the d.n.c. e-mails that everybody was talking about how they got to meet you leagues but nobody in the mainstream want to talk about what cindy mccain spoke at 8 i mean i don't care about the laptop i couldn't download something for the light but i can read text messages and i can read documents 6 see if they did this based treatment again ok they think they don't won't they're worried more about. the cause. study of ownership then they are about possible wrongdoing in il and galaxy by

a very prominent or someone of very close to a very prominent politician who may be president of the united states in january i mean and they you know that one of the things that really it really bothers me is that i sense when you mention tocqueville i see a return to serfdom because and this is when it's and because we have this professional manager ariel klaus that has no use of the plaids from working people and this resent this miss deep recession shows that they're getting richer and more powerful and the poor are getting more and they don't care that's why there wasn't a stimulus and i'm blaming both parties and the president on that last 20 seconds go to you have. you know are just are are you reminded me of something sartre said late in his life the uniter if you don't understand the world in terms of class warfare you don't understand the world the democratic party had abandoned the 'd

american war in may and a long long time ago or were were were a universal way from the from the thirty's and f.d.r. right or right in his invoking f.d.r. what nonsense. we. will have to wait and see what the significance of this email thing with the hunters messages and so forth right is that anything is inconvenient drop the russians theme in there and it will be all right i worry that. i worry that this is there is no end to this all conclude with one little remark way truck with the way the democrats use russia russia russia china to hammer on trying through the last 3 years 'd i think this hunter business ukraine china and so on that the republicans if they have any . well use it to hammer by when you don't know at this point it's going to be

progressives that will hammer biden with this if they don't get what they want or kate gentlemen that's all the time we have you know i want to thank my guests you know for and late jackson and i want to thank our viewers for watching us your r.p.c. next time remember. what a wonderful trip this has been a big dollar 2011. report we told you the 5 it was going to compete with gold to take over the world but was in fact perfect money and still is and will forever more be.

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