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hello and welcome to crossfire all things are considered i'm teetotal bill even after russia gate was debunked as a hoax this conspiracy theory lives on in fact it appears to become part and parcel of our political discourse if you oppose someone or an idea all you have to do is blame in russia no facts necessary slurs and in fact was claims now suffice. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest patrick lawrence in norfolk he is a foreign affairs commentator who's columns appear in consortium news and other publications and in lake jackson we have daniel mcadams he is the executive director of the institute for peace and prosperity all right gentlemen across the tools that i think that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated well it's going to cut trick enough i revere our to call the damage russia gay. it has done with great pleasure because you numerate very clearly in

a very well written article the damage this is done to our political discourse and they said in my introduction it seems to be part and parcel of our political discourse now because if you're angry with someone or against an idea you certainly know what to invoke the russians that it even though the hoax was shown to be actually a conspiracy to overthrow a democratically rightfully elected president but here we are here we are. i mean. look the idea for the piece came up when i started thinking about. we've talked about russia gate in terms of the damage it's done to. american russian relations dreadful danger it lands us in so forth already. we've talked about it in terms of . it's it's use. as a hammer to attack president trump but it started to occur to me with

this new election coming this thing this this thing has poisoned our society in ways that nobody's quite reckoned up with the i'm a practitioner my entire professional life but that doesn't matter the to me the oem the most consequential. outcomes of this is the self destruction of the american press i mean it's we're living without a proper press except for independent media and i don't remember whether i mentioned it in the piece this is the moment for independent media great. use of brilliant phrase how liberals have become so you liberal in the in the media how daniel let me let me go to you i mean you and i have known each other for many many years and we've discussed of course regime change the united states has backed all

around the world but who would have thought that they would have done try to do it in the united states and that's exactly what's happened because you have all these centers of power there in this disgraceful dangerous and brace with the intelligence services it's quite amazing if we can pare the baseless there's of russia gate the allegations surrounding the biden family which there are it's there's forensic evidence to discuss ok i'm not making any claims here but i mean look how how different they approach one onset of it independent or they would call an event a bit actually a mansion facts and then facts that are in front of you that you can actually read i mean there are polar opposites daniel. if i can start by saying i've been a lifetime journalist and i would have to say that africa lawrence in my opinion is the finest journalist writing today it doesn't matter if you agree with his opinion

or not his writing style is brilliant it's so fresh and to read so i don't want to make this a love fest but it's just a delight to read anything patrick writes but asked a question you know and i know i've said this before but it's not the ninety's trudging around central and eastern europe watching the pretty color revolution have to prepare for color revolution slovakia 98 albanian i 1096 croatia in 97 over and over again with the british i think you have in the one thing that we always said when we watched all of the players lining up we watched the u.s. government partnering with groups like the soros organizations in these countries in the liberal n.g.o.s in these countries we said if we don't expose this now if we don't write about what's happening now this kind of blueprint will come to our shores we always said it over and over i know it sounds like a self-congratulatory but we said it over and over if we don't write about this and expose it it will come to our shores a low and behold 20172016 has come to our shores and it's either way you know we've

now got we've now got not to be missed among you're among your viewers peter we've now got the cia in in contravention of this joe charter operating on domestic soil we know the cia operating. in a covert alliance with a major political party and not to be missed with law enforcement annual little about all this stuff any goes on and on and own i want your viewers to understand this is a country this is a country and something close to 3 fold my way of our our most basic institutions russia gate seeing as we can those 2 are very foundation and i don't know i mean. just this morning daniel will know. we've got we've now got one of the people involved in the biden. in the biden's influence peddling in china.

a guy named anthony but wilensky he's right there a need anything are in it senator cetera. and the press it's what they're trying to bury a bloody mountain it's getting to be rather too high to bury right they're not coming back from this you know and it will roll on and on and on this guy get an interview with chuck or carlson i hope your viewers can see if i stream or who are absolutely actually it will tell a lot of the story daniel and i are talking about it's all coming back home right just as daniel said. it but when it says daniel is that it will bury it we should even be talking about you know a free press because it's no longer free i mean it's all being done in broad daylight i mean you have all of these big tech companies censoring or one of the most well known along exe along the existing publications the new york post

and everybody knows about it and no one really says no one protests you know who doesn't protest journalists don't protest this is what's really terrifying you know i was a little boy when i was a little boy in a train my age right now it was journalists that stole the american people about what was going on in vietnam it was journalists the talked about the corruption of the nixon administration but now it's journalists when they're my primary function now is to slam other journalists for getting out of line mainstream journalists or anything that the place of independent journalism in this country is growing more significant by the day and let's let's broaden that definition well that includes programs such as your own peter wright. this is this is this is not going to work out well for the mainstream media there they're

continuing influence is perfectly well and really should i show him i'm going to daniel here again you know it but it works for that turn of the people that you know are you know getting p.-six take your seat year they get the they have access to power and they're celebrities i mean it works for them ok but it doesn't work for anyone else and it really tells us in a very dangerous way we don't need to much proceed because if you just tell us what to think anyway that's what's happening right now very soon short circuiting the system of representative government and let me go to the end of it and if you were one were conspiracy minded which of course none of us are if you look at the development of journalism in the past 10 or 15 years it's pretty interesting because if you think in the quote good old days journalists were almost treated as professors the almost had tenure when they were established a newspaper you know they had the freedom the intellectual freedom to pursue stories and with the destruction of print media which i guess is inevitable because of technology advancing all of a sudden that rug pulled out

a journalist and i'm not making any excuses for them but all of a sudden they're patronage shifts there's no longer a physical newspaper from the right for there's no longer a platform for them to write for and so it seems like that's sort of undermine journalism as an institution and has left a huge gap into which special interests and things can and can jump in and i and i wish i i wish i felt more confidence about patrick's view that independent media is the future and i think ultimately that's true for right now and i know that places like consortium news that patrick writes for and certainly for us and many many others the attempt to put the squeeze on independent media by social media which is also owned by tech news illian errors is incredible it's basically they want to make sure of that tree for. in the woods nobody better damn well hear it and so well said. well well said we've now got i mean that as

a measure of the hay wire and that's my sleeve this morning right this country is completely off the rails as a right we're now got silicone valley cherokees walking around in blue jeans and flip flops etching the american press and this is with the new york post. and in the mainstream is not saying anything about it. they're silent about it you know if anything they're they're cheering it on this is going to bite them on the backside if you we've got a bunch of know nothing geeks. who have no notion of the 1st amendment or anything else effectively american political shit but don't you think patrick and it went bothers me is that this is ideology in service of power see i mean they need truly think they're doing the right thing because people that think differently than them

are obviously morally inferior not intellectually morally ok they're of value judgement on our morality and they do it in the end in the service of an ideology and that's what makes it so scary because you know i'm always very wary of the true believer is it means that any thing. we're looking at to talk will work despite this 190 years ago this is soft yes because i'm right this is the despotism of. a privileged minority. volume 2 your viewers can find it all right and i who are here for years i don't care for a dollar trump in many ways although i applaud a couple of those foreign policy positions. are here for years donald trump is going to come and go in a liberal liberals are here to stay and they're the more dangerous force i wonder

daniel agrees with me about the bit i absolutely have to think of the money and the power that's being spent on keeping those voices like us down but i do like my last segment with a bit of a downer well let me say that you know i believe all commonly what happens is that people's attention allegiances shift as in as and i hate to bring we always bring this back up a bill will be any of what happened the system collapsed the newspapers were lies or what have. we saw the rise of the zombies dot we saw the rise of the intellectual at this event and actually people like you mentioned earlier on like an errant. that this didn't see we're going against the tyranny that was a couple things so there is a model that we can follow as well even though tech tried to strangle us you know that the truth ultimately can't be stopped by by an army we have to have that kind of optimism gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break discussion on russia gate and its everlasting effect on american political discourse state with r.t.

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the yeah. and melanie right now wouldn't. you know mccain. i see. welcome back to cross talk or all things are considered i'm peter lavelle true mind you were talking about a russia gate seems to never disappear. all right let's go back to patrick i mean we are deeper and brought up the gentlemens name anthony but i mean ski it was on time did show and he claims with.

evidence. verifiable evidence that he was a go between for the biting family's business affairs around the world and he has been called in the mainstream media a sensually a traitor to his own country a man that served in the military in a very sensitive position he is a very successful businessman that's reason why he was tapped and he. saw things going on in the biden world that he felt very uncomfortable with and when he spoke out about it the mainstream came down viciously including congressman schiff from california calling him a tool patrick and this is where where we have arrived is that if you disagree with the powers that be if you disagree with the status quo you're a traitor you're you're not in a treasonous way that is a very toxic place to be in public discourse go ahead you know you know i mean.

carlson is there a hurry on the wall there are you where he comes through trying to get anyone you should particularly interesting or interested at all in matters such as that right liberal i'm sure which is. the important part about that carlson interviewers he surfaced in it in a media context that enjoys millions of viewers ok this is not something that's bumbling around. on websites that means you're not threat move there. primacy of the mainstream media he's got it his punch through here and this is going to be a case that has been for some time. where the press and the broadcasters are trying to highlight something that is simply too large to holiday let's take that

phrase from home aren't the immensity of factually they're trying to throw a blanket over something out they don't make blanket so that big and this is why i think the mainstream media is is digging itself into a hole 'd they're not you know any out what this does is in and i want to say with the treason issue with that daniel is that you know what this does is that people don't believe the mainstream media and because they don't believe the mainstream media there are those individuals that go into the woods see great conspiracy theories i mean this is a reaction of of a closed information sphere ok they have themselves to blame for that but i want to stay with the recent thing to say i think it's really important and as americans here questioning one's patriotism is it's a pretty i or thing to go to because i mean it's the last straw that's a last card you can play in destroying someone's character go ahead and like what

patrick wrote this piece he called the gang that couldn't shoot straight the people that initiated the initial rush the gate and that's the case they can't shoot straight but when they miss shooting they basically popup the whole country so they're getting something but they're not shooting the right thing and that's the case with this you know they basically pissed off someone who had all the dirt on them and because of their arrogance relief that they were the masters of the universe maybe with hunter that was brought on by some narcotics but whatever the case the belief that nobody can touch them as have now the hubris the pride has caused them to perhaps have a down fall because what's in it for this province he's well. enough is that everything he needs he's a democrat donor he's a democrat voter by its own admission so here he gets slammed in slime that's putin's tool by the idiot adam schiff who we know with saying one thing in public about russia gate but when he got under oath said something very very different well no i didn't have any. you know so they they play with fire and it looks like

he might be getting burned well you know it's really interesting because it seems to me that patrick that this is him in a very weird way and it with the pandemic also harm top of it and the economic catastrophe for tens of millions of people is a very interesting template then in controlling messages and controlling how people think about things and i find that very very scary because people are cowed people are terrified there's a lot of scaremongering out here and you know and of course the the the the rule of russia and the american mind you know goes back to the cold war and so it's a very easy caricature for them but it's also a very interesting tool because as i said many times. there are not there's not much russia or russians in russia gate itself but it is a template on controlling the public sphere and what people talk about and what

people know and don't know ahead of i how you use you use the word scary and scared couple of times. and our moment is is is one where we're ordinary procedures institutional practices and so forth are collapsing one gets at the the degree of uncertainty with wish we had americans live unprecedented these term journalists used to avoid because what some president if you can't be careful but it's truly rare. right going back a very long way in the 1000 century. but you know. who you know the only thing we have to fear is fear itself maybe i think there's a lot out front of us. who are independent media but i think there's a lot for us to look forward to and you have to accept that this kind of

transformation social political institutional is gradual it's not it's not what we're not in but it's just my thought yeah but it seems to me there knowing that again you know right now these people are playing for broke they're playing for keeps ok i mean once they get all of the power then they're going to do with they want to do because they couldn't get it. through elections in that sense you know they'll push things to the supreme court now they're going to have a barrier there will pack the court so this is about power and it's not about ideas ok and that's what i worry about it's about power ok danny also the issue here when i think of you know we talk about institutional degradation that's going on and i think it's profound right now all of that disintegration is because freedom of speech is compromised and controlled with out freedom of speech we are all of our

institutions start to crumble because it's creepy speech is the cement that keeps it all together and this is what scares me i'm scared about this ok because let me let me be no because you can't have a decent conversation anymore i mean i'd love to disagree with people i learn from it but now even disagreeing that you're beyond the pale you're let mike this anthony guy i mean it seems like a pretty good guy to me and he's destroying i mean plummeted in public well you know the 1st thing a fear fear is like like a powerful stimulant or tear. the reaction to the corona virus in the united states is something that i've written and talked about for a long time and you can see it now very very clearly defined along for the colline you saw the blue states where the blue said governors were the most tyrannical and treated the people the most in the most horrible manner and now you see very clearly the political lines are drawn to joe biden saying on the candidate of last

down and force mass and president trump saying i'm the candidate of freedom reopening so you're seeing the fear motivates people to give up their liberties and it has worked very well in the u.s. so without this fear i'm not denying a virus but i am definitely sans a reaction to the virus as lead to fear which is undercut people who would normally think for themselves you know and i think that's very important in the other point i would make your 2nd point is about tribalism in tribalism is so important it trumps truth at this point in our society if you present someone like with the bubble linsky interview with the or like with the texts from the from the laptop or even the photos and i've talked to somebody recently who is a mainstream media addict and i said hey look what about this laptop and what about all of this stuff and the only response would be what about that giuliani that is a bad guy you know i don't trust him so is this sort of tribalism you know in the 3 of us a very skeptical about a lot that trump has has to offer and is and the way he's governed in the past 3

years however we i think are almost unique it seems to me at least in that we've been able to step back from tribalism in jumping into a camp and jumping on a theme and that is what's rare in the united states. you know it prevented one of the indian daniel brings up such a good point you know this is almost an interesting repeat of the protest the e-mails and the d.n.c. e-mails that everybody was talking about how they got to meet the leagues but nobody in the mainstream want to talk about what's in the e-mail. i mean i don't care about the laptop i couldn't download something with. but i can read text messages and i can read documents to see if they did this based treatment yeah ok they think they know all they're worried more about. custody of ownership than they are about possible wrongdoing in il a galaxy by a very prominent or someone is very close to

a very prominent politician who may be president of the united states in january i mean they you know that one of the things that really it really bothers me is that i sense when you mention tocqueville i see a return to serfdom because and this is when it's in the because we have this professional manager ariel klaus that has no use of the plaids from working people and this resent this miss b. procession shows that they're getting richer and more powerful and the poor are getting more and they don't care that's why there wasn't a stimulus and i'm blaming both parties and the president on that last 20 seconds go to you have. you know are just are are you reminded me of something sartre said late in his life in the interview if you don't understand the world in terms of class warfare you don't understand the world the democratic party has abandoned the 'd american war in may and a long long time ago. were were were a universal way from the from the thirty's and f.d.r.

right right in this invoking f.d.r. what nonsense. we. will have to wait and see what the significance of this email thing with the hunters messages and so forth right is that anything is inconvenient drop the russians seem in there and it will be all right i worry that. i worry that this is there is no end to this conclude was one little remark way truck with the way the democrats use rough. sure russia russia should hammer on truck through the last 3 years 'd i think this i'm sure business ukraine china and so on that the republicans if they have any brains will use it to hammer by monday when the at this point it's going to be progressives that will hammer biden with this debate and get what they want arcade

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