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ratz. there is so anticipatory anxiety that is people becoming very anxious before the the pandemic even arises arrives in the communities and we're seeing this in covered 90 in fact this is similar to what happened previously there was a influenza pandemic in 889890 and that was 'd the 1st pandemic in the era of the printing press and the telegraph and so suddenly people were able to get news from all over the world the next day and that by people worried so places like london for example though worried about that flu pandemic even though there be cases only cases say in italy and so this is a similar phenomenon but here with covered 19 it's happening a lot faster and more dramatically now as you mentioned racism and i. know for a long time that strategy brings out. 'd the worst of people.
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and. probably here that many of the degrees. here is. oriented. illusionary and. pretty natural to want to get. stuck on hold when you fear for your life not just with last year i mean injuring yourself actually. the sentence to sentence china understand where you're coming from. and not. agree with you so racism is unacceptable but self-knowledge is a good thing and it's a good thing to understand ourselves and so we do know that humans we have evolved what's called a behavioral immune system so a biological immune system is not enough to keep us away from germs because we can't see them so we've developed a system of using cues visual cues so the sights and disgusting things will keep us
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away the. sort of rotting meat we won't eat it and of course we've evolved a mechanism to be wary of foreigners because historically when foreign groups intermingled with one group would bring in viruses which the other group had no exposure to so yes we have evolved that mechanism in the varies some people who have that that xenophobia only very mildly some have a very strongly so it's understandable to be wary of foreigners but that doesn't make it acceptable to act in racist ways i was fascinated to learn from a book that was an issue at the century go during the sash and although you know as it is why didn't. people on saturday. and mention. the in san francisco in 1900 specially the anti mosque league was formed and that sort of fizzled out
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because it was a social media to keep it going but back then there were objections to wearing masks for the same as we're seeing today they said we don't believe that mosques are effective and we think of that as a violation of our civil liberties those reasons then of the same as the reasons today when you survey people once we've been doing our research they'll say their biggest complaint is they don't think they're affective these are the people who are hardcore anti massacres i should back up and say most people are ok with wearing masks airy search and other studies show that 85 percent of people are ok with it they're down with it but it's those people think that ineffective and i don't like being told what to do it's called psychological reactance president being here also pretty familiar with a large body of research that people tend to be concerned as the nation i mean there is. simply to. this thing it's a sign out speaking out is how the. math very
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ingenious. trauma come where. much more important and fundamental things like freedom social control personal responsibility scientific mat etc even ask average just. well there are all interlinked so people who object to wearing masks and just getting back to your point about conformity yet you're right 85 percent of people are ok with wearing masks they realize that they're effective but is a mask more than just a mask yes sometimes it can be a symbol of a threat to a person's autonomy and so the people who are hard core anti masters also object to going into lockdown they're also empty faxes and at least in north america they tend to be politically conservative. now 36. downing is always down to.
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consequences do we understand at this point what. percentage of people may have. this new reality. how many people as. being. an example of this need. any every year this is a hugely important question at the moment we don't know we can assess how anxious or distressed people are at one point in time but that anxiety changes over time depending on for example the prevalence of infection once community so we don't know it's on previous research we would guess in 10 or 15 percent of people might have psychological problems that persist but that's a question that we need further research to properly and so when also depend on the . duration of such matters and that's a lot will. be the number of people. simply.
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the duration indeed could have an effect the longer look down lasts the more distressing it is for people the more depressed some people might get all the more anxious so yes the duration could have an impact. pretty soon and to ensure that he still were on. anagrams be calling 9000 related stress learning how to. i'm certain i'm tired and that is. the end gritty near death. then. make your calculations another risk. really is unique knowledge to tap the not to protect yourself run governments and minds are bound. to convert 1000 abundantly in there if he. did not divulge things that living then. maybe to some extent but other what's
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happened over this pandemic is governments and change their views on things as more knowledge about covered 19 becomes available so remember early on we were told not to wear masks we'll why we're told don't wear a mask unless your health care worker and now everyone is being told to wear a mask so that as to the uncertainty so although the government might be giving out messages things will change so we will always have that uncertainty around covered $9000.00 to do with the type of uncertainty might change but will always be there so it's really important for our mental health to develop ways of tolerating the uncertainties of this world. but i mean what are some of the ways of doing that when you need my eyes. to be honestly i mean i don't consider myself an center here but i mean. math like human social isolation during common mind. call and i didn't and we are we stand in many. in the same family one person died and the rest not
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even being impacted so that actually raises. serious issues of how be the leader of. the. indian if you know this story. i don't. believe what they're being is actually solid. that's a really important point i guess is important to realize no single study is definitive and all we can do is governments can offer the best advice on information available so what weak as consumers of that information we can set our expectations don't set your expectations too high don't expect a solid gold answer to something we need to expect things may change and all we can do is follow the best available advice so far but recognize that the advice could change. would also be helpful is a government for me. on certain things that can be wrong and so i don't know
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a single. previous recommendations. are going to say she has. a somewhat inconsistent at my proudest and. that would be . howling people understand that we are never uncharted territory and it can be. but it depends on the way it's explained and if you come out as the w h i was to come out and say we were wrong then but now we're riot and then i start changing their opinions i can undermine their credibility and undermine public confidence a better price was me to say ok we were following the best available advice based on the best scientific evidence but there's always new evidence coming in so you can expect that things will change and now based on more evidence we have come to a position where we've changed our mind on mosques but. educate the public we can
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expect things to change i think we have now either very. begun to. be logical and business. side or the problem it is during the. same rate. me we're seeing the drama differentiations right now mr just. so you know governments are becoming. a lot. of street measures. to me at this point i understand. how they work and the songwriting and the treatment becomes more detrimental. we don't fully understand it and partly it depends on the personality characteristics of the person going into lockdown the nature of their that early in the pandemic those reviews saying oh this highly stressful those bison an old
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version of corn today where you didn't have the internet where you didn't have access to social media so i looked and it's different but there's still a lot to learn about. the impacts of lockdown and how we could make it more tolerable for people. professor taylor we have to take a very short break for the time being pulled out of your skin color we know that in just a few minutes h e. r. the eternity to. go in and you may never get out which ones are the most of. my teenage gang rules here. don't want to be moved then i let the mind
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orbit the world sidewall many questions remain unanswered about russia's new vaccine the authorities are confident enough to go forward with mass production. credits puzzle for. what's going on with states please when you specifically say life in the kiddo was. real read to receive. interest in preliminary requests. williams those of us all fresh in fact see. all right this is happening all the way to go and the reaction has been. exactly the same as it was with. trollish enough. the world reaction is made of green cheese where a. little before you'd be moved to put the which you.
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worst because of it 19 action could be any national strategy domestic abuse. the state of heightened etc maybe even. psychological trauma psychological. all the 19 national math in all this you sort of balance them out. it's enormously complicated because it depends on how severe the infection is one's community about the sorts of lockdown measures being implemented about whether the person has prepared to go into lockdown and also whether 'd the person has preexisting psychological problems people who are having a particularly difficult time of the best that we've been out to assess it so far is via the internet internet based assessments where people are in lockdown and they are completing surveys so we can better understand it but we're finding that
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the people who are doing very well are engaging in what's called emotion focused coping so if focusing on a over aiding the taking drugs or drinking a lot of alcohol they're engaging a lot of online shopping in a way of dampening down those feelings and that's creating further problems so that kind of coping also impacts how easy it is to tolerate lockdown how do you talk about this so all condit disregards. people. tend to think that the college grad is great. and always comply and social distancing are very rules and 0 creature and. i still want to ask you know how do you distinguish. a reasonable person critically absence often inconsistent and often untrue. and
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commendations. i mean. sure yes we've got are we using this is as a psychological response or is it. so a question there's no hard line the hardcore conspiracy theorists who think it's all a conspiracy who think the whole cover thing is a bio weapon you can distinguish those individuals because they believe in other conspiracy theories they believe that $911.00 was an inside job that nasa faked the moon. and it's and so forth so there are those people but indeed there are other people who are quite sensible and skeptical who might say well the danger on masters and as strong as we would like or where what they're worried the vaccine production might be rushed so yes there are reasonable skeptics out there as well. and what did why did you give it you know they gave me one hand you know want to be painted as. somebody who endangered the lives of. many governments
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including russian and $99.00. putting the blame on the people and accusing them of not barry and i trying to be. where i. do you. stay true to yourself being a responsible citizen but also. critical thinker and in terms of assessing what the government to offer. support i think 1st of all you shouldn't get all your news from social media because social media can present a distorted picture get your news from reliable sources agree it's important to critically think through things the impact on yourself and the community but you also remember that managing this pandemic involves all of us agreeing to give up our freedoms in small ways to do a number of things and no single thing is going to be a magic bullet a vaccine by itself won't be enough wearing 'd
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a must but so far be enough we have to engage in all of these things to follow what is currently understood as a best practice even just national small little satirizes freedom and it just happens to. be read their lives in myra's recent data. a stanford prison experiment. and see who lays very. exchanging freedom for designs is naturally. leaning. towards solitary well when you say to those who are deserve. so much how are you getting the power. i think it's reasonable for citizens to speak at if they think that restrictions are excessive or unnecessary on jus because managing a pandemic involves 2 things really it involves getting people to do things to
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lower the risk of infection but also trying to manage people's anxieties so they're not too stressed 4 out and so forth you've got to manage both and so if the government is managing one but not the other than people in the community do need to speak out i think that's reasonable to do that. immediately stating that i have a passion that in some western countries especially knows where. liberals and conservatives is most accurate. down to and how to restrict a manager i'm no longer just the means of containing the companies are doing. what. may create additional challenges for people because restoration of the wind being used to record bonds being used in a political game. the ways of processing it. i think it's important to realize that pandemics just like politics
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a dynamic events with things change republicans were anti mask initially but now we're seeing more and more. news stories in which republicans are out there wearing masks so realizing that things do change and trying to as best you can dissociate politics from public health now much immediately. literally. being are those around how we in the south. own responsibility. to boost your immune system which by the way for me. absent from. us in our. weather maps. or how even if. the dollar is strong. personal responsibility onto others then you. know it's not new at all in fact that's
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a strategy that's been long been used it's actually been used to help encourage people to get vaccinated against seasonal influenza it's a do it for the herd idea that even if you think yourself you're impervious to get sick or stop america you do it to protect others around you and that appeal to el truism i'm coming very helpful is our summer slipping by now that. is the number one race driver. this is something that people ghastly. and one of the things that is troubling to me is that there's little discussion among the governments and you know that's true for many countries. and very few people are talking about the need. to actually be watchful of what you put into the mouth. #. it sounds like to me at least likely because.
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offering people an easy solution and protection a young guy or that is often a german not by social interactions that actually laughter who. has a guess as a way a matter of balancing up the the risks excess weight is correlated with mortality for covered 19 but the problem is people who are very obese also tend to have co-occurring medical problems which increase in risk of mortality as well so for the average person know who's who is not extremely obese putting on a few pounds during a pandemic might not be such a bad thing and it's probably safer to wear a mask than to have that extra worry of trying to. keep your weight down when you're in lockdown and you can exercise anyway i guess as a matter of balancing the things out. really it's a matter of guns and not just the way i think about it. being your narrative now that we all have to. think about how our own
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choices in friends. gary treated this city as a personal issue because i mean if. it is pretty clear that most of the complications and. emergency. actually. done to do for now how do you know it's. not required to go into lockdown to protect our journey sounds very politically incorrect once again this is russia. again back to the narrative of maybe narratives vary from country to country in canada the narrative is because and n.b.c. safe so it's a jewel thing you owe it to yourself and your community but getting. to the the obesity issue that is a long term problem that is not
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a quick fix and so i think it would be unreasonable to insist that a person manage their obesity during pandemic when it but so many other things to manage that might be something left best to the pandemic is over but professor jeremy nod your seminary lots and lots of. interests and specifically hiding and sugar on. drugs etc lisa you carry. into all our. information etc. so. if we accept. rubles you have people didn't. even during the production read them because you know given. these and. it's an interesting complex question i'm not aware of any research showing that
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a rapid diet keeps you safe uncovered 19 that needs to be studied more but we also need to consider all the stresses that people are under at this point and maybe leaving the diet thing till after the pandemic but it's a personal choice of course. being better everybody owns everybody some of the ability to. reach out and i'm. not just how do you consider signing on i just struggle refining your we are doing. do you have any suggestions on this. well yes blaming and shaming that been used a lot and it's almost a natural human response but it just makes a bad situation even worse i mean you can take charge of your your own behavior and try to be compassionate to others but in an individual istic societies if you go around and trying to tell other people what to do that is likely to backfire. heem
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do you this is the sign is the prime very very soon we're going to. be told and hearing that we should also you know what. well i guess you could if you wanted to but i again i don't think that's as bigger a problem as it's been made out to be the obesity is linked to co-existing general medical conditions which lead to mortality and i would i would suggest that we can leave obesity to after the pandemic we have enough to deal with right now i guess. if you very much for sharing your. thanks from us. and thank you for watching i hope to see you get.
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an orthodox priest in a severe condition after being shot by a gunman outside a church in the french city of neon on saturday. that incident comes 2 days after an islamic extremist complete people at a bus to look at least as of a problem has called on friends to denounce radical islam. if we're attacked once again it is for our values for our taste of freedom for this possibility on our soil to believe freely and not to give in to any mind of terror and. muslims around the world rage against emanuel micron's defense of the right to parody religion and it's clear the us remarks on islam.
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