i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. back. on the run towards a partner this too shall pass this ration wisdom was known was frequently quoted during the 1st wave. and indeed helped many was dealing with the isolation ration. but as problems actually raised. more shutdowns stepping into the role and perhaps even taking over the winter holidays

just how to keep spirits up well to discover that i'm now joined my team there. little psychologist at the department of psychiatry at the university of british columbia prison taylor it's great to see it thank you very much. thanks so much for inviting me now your latest movie. team out in. 1900 just raised 19. find out any similarities that outbreaks. shared around what. 90. the biggest difference is this is the 1st pandemic in the ear of social media and the internet. in that sense that news spreads rapidly throughout the globe

almost instantly and the soldiers news service misinformation and rumors and conspiracy theories so although it's seeing very similar phenomenon that we saw in previous pandemics for example panic buying and racism and things like that everything is just happening faster the growth of 19 because of the internet and social media now even mention some of the human behaviors. and and places. rats. there is anticipatory anxiety that is people becoming very anxious before the the pandemic even arises arrives in the communities and we're seeing this in covered 90 in fact this is similar to what happened previously there was a influenza pandemic in 889890 and that was the 1st pandemic an era of the printing press and the telegraph and so suddenly people

were able to get news from all over the world the next day and that by people worried so places like london for example though worried about that flu pandemic even though there be cases only cases say in italy and so this is a similar phenomenon but here was covered 1000 is happening a lot faster and more dramatically now as you mentioned racism and i. know for a long time that strategy brings out. the worst of people. and you would probably agree that many of the degrees. here is. oriented. illusionary and. pretty natural to want to distance yourself from strangers. who when you see are. not just last year i mean injuring yourself actually. the sentiments of those sentiments china understand where they're coming from. not.

i agree with you so racism is unacceptable but self-knowledge is a good thing and it's a good thing to understand ourselves and so we do know that humans we have evolved what's called a behavioral immune system so our biological immune system is not enough to keep us away from germs because we can't see them so we've developed a system of using cues visual cues so the sights to discuss things things will keep us away the side of rotting meat we won't eat it and of course we've evolved a mechanism to be wary of foreigners because a starkly foreign groups intermingled with one group would bring in viruses which the other group had no exposure to so yes we have a vote that mechanism in the varies some people who have that that xenophobia only very mildly some have a very strongly so it's understandable to be wary of foreigners but that doesn't

make it acceptable to act in racist ways needed to learn from a book that was an issue at the century go during this. you know. why didn't. people outside of that in. the in san francisco in 1900 specially the anti mosque league was formed and that sort of fizzled out because it was a social media to keep it going but back then there were objections to wearing masks with the same as we're seeing today they said we don't believe that masks are effective and we think of that as a violation of our civil liberties those reasons then of the same as the reasons today when you survey people once we've been doing our research they'll say their biggest complaint is they don't think they're effective these are the people who are hardcore anti massacres i should back up and say most people are ok with wearing masks airy search and other studies show that 85 percent of people are ok

with it they're down with it but it's those people think that ineffective and i don't like being told what to do it's. called psychological reactance prison to being here also pretty familiar with a lot of what their research that people time to be called born as the nation that number they necessarily were that it was the simply series. existing in society and i was speaking on did i how did how many. math very convenient straw men were. much more important and fundamental things like freedom social control personal responsibility scientific not. even ask average just. well there are all interlinked so people who object to wearing masks and just getting back to your point about conformity yet you're right 85 percent of people are ok with wearing masks they realize that they're effective

but is a mask more than just a mask yes sometimes it can be a symbol of a threat to a person's autonomy and so the people who are hard core anti masters also object to going into lockdown they're also empty faxes and at least in north america they tend to be politically conservative now $36.00. downing is always down to. long lasting psychological consequences do we understand at this point what. the sanish of people may have done this new reality. how many people as. being. an example of this need. any every year this is a hugely important question at the moment we don't know we can assess how anxious or distressed people are at one point in time but that anxiety changes over time

depending on for example the prevalence of infection once community so we don't know on previous research we would guessing 10 or 15 percent of people might have psychological problems that persist but that's a question that we need further research to properly and so when also depend on the . duration of such matters and that's a lot. younger people. simply. the generation indeed could have an effect a longer look down lasts the more distressing it is for people the more depressed some people might get all the more anxious so yes a generation could have an impact. pretty soon and to ensure that he still were on. i am. be calling 9000 related stress learning how to. i'm certain i'm tired and that is. the end gritty near. the

end. make your calculations another risk profile rulings you need to knowledge tack on how to protect yourself run government and the rights of ours. to convert 1000 abundantly in there if he. did not divulge things that living there. may be to some extent but other what's happened over this pandemic is governments and change their views on things as more knowledge about covered 19 becomes available so remember early on we were told not to wear masks well why we're told don't wear a mask unless your health care worker and now everyone is being told to wear a mask so that as to the uncertainty so although the government might be giving out messages things will change so we will always have that uncertainty around covered $900.00 to do with the type of uncertainty might change but will always be there so it's really important for our mental health to develop ways of tolerating the

uncertainties of this world. but i mean what are some of the ways of doing that when you see that in my eyes. in and day out. to me honestly i mean i don't consider myself an center here of any. man like human social isolation during common mind. call and i didn't and we are we stand in many. in the same family one person died and the rest not even being impacted so that actually raises. serious issues about be the leader of. the. union if you know this story. i don't. believe what they're being is actually solid. that's a really important point i guess is important to realize no single study is definitive

and all we can do is governments can offer the best advice on information available so what weak as consumers of that information we can set our expectations don't set your expectations too high don't expect a solid gold answer to something we need to expect things may change and all we can do is follow the best available advice so far but recognize that the advice could change. would also be helpful is uncommon for me. on certain things that can be wrong and so i don't know a single. previous recommendation. on how they're going as they should have. somewhat inconsistent advice promised and . how didn't people understand that me i never. meant it and. i agree but it depends on the way it's explained if you come out as

the w.h. i was to come out and say we were wrong then but now we're riot and then i start changing their opinions i can undermine their credibility and undermine public confidence a better price was going to say ok we were following the best available advice based on the best scientific evidence but there's always new evidence coming in so you can expect that things will change and now based on more evidence we have come to a position where we've changed our mind on mosques but. educate the public we can expect things to change i think we have now declaring. it will be logical and business. side of the problem because during. the same. me we are seeing the drama differentiations right now. because governments are becoming we are resigned to watch. street

measures. to me when i understand how. how they were ran the songwriting and the treatment because more detrimental down. we don't fully understand and partly it depends on the personality characteristics of the person going into lockdown the nature of their home circumstances are they in lockdown in a luxury as apartment or in a tiny cramped room there is that issue the previous research on quarantine has become outdated early in the pandemic those reviews saying oh this highly stressful because by someone. where you didn't have the internet we didn't have access to social media so i looked on this different but there's still a lot to learn about. the impacts of lockdown and how we could make it more tolerable for people. to tell you we have to take a very short break for the time being pulled out of your skin color we noted that

in just a few minutes. the us has a history of complicated and heated presidential election so what's different this time is that the biggest political events of the last 4 years is happening amid the coronavirus spend that make the rest of them to love about civil unrest sparked by the death george floyd and the wife of the radical groups on both sides of the political spectrum. right there with rick the city ordinance. say. these groups attract burying members here. taken to the streets make intro tasks look like full scale what you hear was only a taste of what's about to happen biz demonstrators are sometimes heavily armed and

they are not afraid of violence or law enforcement. if you will of war let it begin with us. or go into meet those groups and their leaders to find out how far they're ready to go to fight for what they believe to steve for this country. welcome back to worlds apart where it didn't take their professor that political psychologist and it is hard to say. on that this is a we're talking about. the people who may need to follow 0 certain.

psychological problems interact relations you call it 90 but they are answer people whose lives you're trying for the worst because of all the 19 action matters and i could be any wrong my national. domestic abuse you and the state of india etc maybe even. the psychological trauma or the psychological. all the 19 national matters you know it's you sort of balance them out. it's enormously complicated because it depends on has severe the infection is once community about the sorts of lockdown measures being implemented about where the person has prepared to go into lockdown and also whether 'd the person has preexisting psychological problems people who are having a particularly difficult time of the best that we've been out to assess it so far

is via the internet internet based assessments where people are in lockdown and they are completing surveys so we can better understand it but we're finding that the people who are doing very well are engaging in what's called emotion focused coping so if focusing on a over aiding the taking drugs or drinking a lot of alcohol they're engaging a lot of online shopping in a way of dampening down those feelings and that's creating further problems so that kind of coping also impacts how easy it is to tolerate lockdown how do you talk about this so all condit disregards. people. tend to think that the college grad is great. and always comply and social 'd distancing or. morals and 0 creature and. god. i still want to ask you. how do you distinguish.

a reasonable person critically absence often inconsistent and often conference the . combination. i mean. sure yes we've got are we using this is as a psychological response or is it. so the question there's no hard line the hardcore conspiracy theorists who think it's all a conspiracy who think the whole cover thing is a bio weapon you can distinguish those individuals because they believe in other conspiracy theories they believe that $911.00 was an inside job that nasa faked the moon. and it's and so forth so there are those people but indeed there are other people who are quite sensible and skeptical who might say well the danger on masters and as strong as we would like or where what they're worried the vaccine production might be rushed so yes there are reasonable skeptics out there as well. who didn't want to do you know they're going to be one hand you know want to be

painted as. somebody who endangers their lives. on the other hand i think many governments including russia and knowing you know. putting the blame 100 people and accusing them of not married and out trying to be right. where i how do you. stay true to yourself being a responsible citizen but also. critical thinker and in terms of assessing what the government. support i think 1st of all you shouldn't get all your news from social media because social media can present a distorted picture get your news from reliable sources and i agree it's important to critically think through things the impact on yourself and the community but also remember that managing this pandemic involves all of us agreeing to give up

our freedoms in small ways to do a number of things and no single thing is going to be a magic bullet a vaccine by itself won't be enough wearing a must quite so far be enough we have to engage in all of these things to follow what is currently understood as the best practice even just national small little satirizes. just. be read 'd their lives in myra's recent data. a stanford prison experiment. and see who lays marriage. exchanging freedom for designs is never a good idea oh it's leaning. towards solitary well when you say to those who i deserve. so much how are you getting that. i think it's reasonable for citizens to speak at if they think that restrictions

are excessive or unnecessary on jus because managing a pandemic involves 2 things really it involves getting people to do things to lower the risk of infection but also trying to manage people's anxiety so they're not too stressed out and so forth you've got to manage both and so if the government is managing one but not the other than people in the community do need to speak out i think that's reasonable to do that but this is really stating that ad. i have an obsession that in some western countries especially those where. liberals and conservatives is not accurate. lockdowns and not restrictive managers i'm no longer just a means of containing the companies are doing well in terms in what. may create additional challenges for people with restoration like being used to reading or bonds or being used in

a political game. the ways of processing it. i think it's important to realize that pandemics just like politics a dynamic events with things change republicans were anti mask initially but now we're seeing more and more. news stories in which republicans are out there wearing masks so realizing that things do change and trying to as best you can dissociate politics from public health now much immediately. liberals. are getting those around. the south. own responsibility of teaching. to boost your immune system which by the way for me. absent from. us in our. weather maps. or how even this. problem is

a problem. personal responsibility onto others then you. know it's not new at all in fact that's a strategy that's been long been used it's actually been used to help encourage people to get vaccinated against seasonal influenza it's a do it for the herd idea that even if you think yourself you're impervious to get sick or stop america you do it to protect others around you and that appeal to else who is m m can be very helpful it is our summer slipping by now that. is the number one race driving down and this is something that people ghastly. and one of the things that is troubling to me is that there's little discussion among governments and you know that's true for many countries. very very new people talking about the need. to actually be watchful of what you put into the

mouth behind. it sounds like to me at least likely because. offering people an easy solution and protection a young guy or that is often a german not by social interactions that actually. has a guess as a way a matter of balancing up the the risks excess weight is correlated with mortality for covered 19 but the problem is people who are very obese also tend to have co-occurring medical problems which increase in risk of mortality as well so for the average person know who's who is not extremely obese putting on a few pounds during a pandemic might not be such a bad thing and it's probably safer to wear a mask than to have that extra worry of trying to. keep your weight down when you're in lockdown and you can exercise anyway i guess as a matter of balancing the things out. really it's

a matter of dancing out just the way i think about it in the new narrative now that we all have to. think about how our own choices in friends. gary treat implicity as a personal issue because i mean if. it is pretty clear that most of the complications and. emergency or it's. actually. down to do for now how do you know it's your chance and not required to go into downs to protect your future he sounds very critical in your answer that this is russia. again back to the narrative of maybe narratives vary from country to country in canada the narrative is because and then be safe so it's

a jewel thing you owe to yourself and your community but getting. to the the obesity issue that is a long term problem that is not a quick fix and so i think it would be unreasonable to insist that a person manage their obesity during pandemic when it but so many other things to manage that might be something left best to the pandemic is over but professor jeremy called your seminary law to. be a logical. argument and specifically highland sugar on. drugs etc lisa you carry. into. information etc. so. if we accept. rubles you have people. even during the production rather than because.

it's an interesting complex question i'm not aware of any research showing that a rapid diet keeps you safe from covered 19 that needs to be studied more but we also need to consider all the stresses the people are under at this point and maybe leaving the diet thing till after the pandemic but it's a personal choice of course. being better everybody owns everybody some responsibility meaning after each other had i'm. not just how do you consider society maddest stronger refining your we are doing. no wrong. do you have any suggestions on this. well yes blaming and shaming that been used a lot and it's almost a natural human response but it just makes a bad situation even worse i mean you can take charge of your your own behavior and

try to be compassionate to others but in an individual istic societies if you go around and trying to tell other people what to do that is likely to backfire. heem do the scientists be brought. very soon we're going to. be told i'm interfering that we should also you know what. well i guess you could if you wanted to but i again i don't think that's as bigger a problem as it's being made out to be the obesity is linked to co-existing general medical conditions which lead to mortality and i would i would suggest that we can leave obesity till after the pandemic we have enough to deal with right now i guess . if you very much for sharing your perspective but that's the. hundreds. thanks from us. and thank you for watching i hope to see you again next week on the part.

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