to spirit to discover that i'm now joined by. president clinton a psychologist aren't. the one university of british columbia president taylor it's great to see you thank you very much. thanks so much for inviting me now you're up early this is not being. in. 1900 just. 90. find out any similarities that outbreaks are. shared around what we see is. covered 90. the biggest differences this is the 1st pandemic in the ear of social media and the internet. in that sense that news spreads rapidly throughout the globe you know almost instantly so this news so this misinformation and rumors and

conspiracy theories so although is seeing very similar phenomenon that we saw in previous pandemics for example panic buying and racism and things like that everything is just happening faster the problem 19 because of the internet and social media now even mention some of the human behaviors that. any time to take place is now becoming binding. rats. there is anticipatory anxiety that is people becoming very anxious before the the pandemic even arises arrives in the communities and we're seeing this in covered 90 in fact this is similar to what happened previously there was a influenza pandemic in 889890 and that was the 1st pandemic an era of the printing press and the telegraph and so suddenly people were able to get news from all over the world the next day and that by people

worried so places like london for example though worried about that flu pandemic even though there be cases only cases say in italy and so this is a similar phenomenon but here with covered 19 it's happening a lot faster and more dramatically now as you mentioned racism and i. know for a long time that strategy brings out. the worst of people. and you would probably agree that many of the degrees. here is. oriented. illusionary and. pretty national. saw on the whole when you're. not just last year interest rates are in our salaries are actually. on the sentiments of those sentiments in china understand where you're coming from. and not.

agree with you so racism is unacceptable but self-knowledge is a good thing and it's a good thing to understand ourselves and so we do know that humans we have evolved what's called a behavioral immune system so a biological immune system is not enough to keep us away from germs because we can't see them so we've developed a system of of using cues visual cues so the sights and disgusting things will keep us away the. sort of rotting meat we won't eat it and of course with evolved a mechanism to be wary of foreigners because historically when foreign groups intermingled one group would bring in viruses which the other group had no exposure to so yes we have a vote that mechanism in the varies some people who have that that xenophobia only very mildly some have a very strongly so it's understandable to be wary of foreigners but that doesn't make it acceptable to act in racist ways i was fascinated to learn from a book that was an issue at the century go during this and although as you know

as it is why didn't. people outside of that in. the in san francisco in 1900 specially the anti mosque league was formed and that sort of fizzled out because there was a social media to keep it going but back then there were objections to wearing masks with the same as we're seeing today they said we don't believe that masks are effective and we think of that as a violation of our civil liberties those reasons then of the same as the reasons today when you survey people once we've been doing our research they'll say their biggest complaint is they don't think they're affective these are the people who are hard core and the mask is i should back up and say most people are ok with wearing masks ery certain other studies show that 85 percent of people are ok with it they're down with it but it's those people think that ineffective and i don't

like being told what to do it's called psychological reactance president being here also pretty familiar with a large body of research that people tend to be concerned as the nation that there is. simply too. easy. existing it's a sign our speaking out is how the. math very ingenious. trauma. much more important and fundamental things like freedom social control personal responsibility scientific mat etc even ask average just. well there are all interlinked so people who object to wearing masks and just getting back to your point about conformity yes you're right 85 percent of people are ok with wearing masks they realize that they're effective but is a mask more than just a mask yes sometimes it can be a symbol of a threat to a person's autonomy and so the people who are hard core anti masters also object to

going into lockdown they're also empty faxes and at least in north america they tend to be politically conservative now $36.00. downing is always down to. consequences do we understand at this point what. percentage of people may have. this new reality. how many people as. being. an example of this need. any every year this is a hugely important question at the moment we don't know we can assess how anxious or distressed people are at one point in time but that anxiety changes over time depending on for example the prevalence of infection once community so we don't

know it's done previous research we were guessing 10 or 15 percent of people might have psychological problems that persist but that's a question that we need further research to properly and so when also depend on the . duration of such matters and that's a lot. younger people. simply. the generation indeed could have an effect a longer look down lasts the more distressing it is for people the more depressed some people might get all the more anxious so yes the duration could have an impact . pretty soon and to ensure that he still were on. anagrams be calling 9000 related stress learning how to. i'm certain i'm tired and that is. the end gritty near. the end to. make your own calculations another risk. really is unique knowledge

tacked on to protect yourself run government and much about how. to convert 19 abundantly in there is he. did not divulge things that living there. may be to some extent but other what's happened over this pandemic is governments and change their views on things as more knowledge about covered 19 becomes available so remember early on we were told not to wear masks will why we're told don't wear a mask unless your health care worker and now everyone is being told to wear a mask so that as to the uncertainty so although the government might be giving out messages things will change so we will always have that uncertainty around covered $9000.00 to do with the type of uncertainty might change but will always be there so it's really important for our mental health to develop ways of tolerating the uncertainties of this world. but i mean what are some of the ways of doing that

when you see that in my eyes. in and day out. to me honestly i mean i don't consider myself an center here but i mean. like human social isolation during common mind. oh i didn't and we are we stand in many. in the same family one person died and the rest not even being impacted so that actually raises. serious issues about be the leader of the 100. 1000000 if you know the story. don't. add don't believe what they're being it is actually solid. that's a really important point i guess is important to realize no single study is definitive and all we can do is governments can offer the best advice on information available

so what weak as consumers of that information we can set our expectations don't set your expectations too high don't expect a solid gold answer to something we need to expect things may change and all we can do is follow the best available advice so far but recognize that the advice could change. what would also be helpful is a government for me. on certain ones that are wrong and so i don't know a single god. created this recommendation. on how they're going to say she has. a somewhat inconsistent advice 0 promised and . that would be. how do people understand that we are never uncharted territory and. i agree but it depends on the way it's explained and if you come out as the w.h. i was to come out and say we were wrong then but now we're riot and then i start

changing their opinions i can undermine their credibility and undermine public confidence a better price was b. to say ok we were following the best available advice based on the best scientific evidence but there's always new evidence coming in so you can expect that things will change and now based on more evidence we have come to a position where we've changed our mind on mosques but. educate the public we can expect things to change i think we have now during. our begun to. be physiological and psychological side of the problem it is during the. same rate. me we are seeing the drama differentiations right now mr just because. we are watching. a street measures. do me at this point i understand. how they

work and brand the songwriting and the street and. more detrimental. we don't fully understand and partly it depends on the personality characteristics of the person going into lockdown the nature of their home circumstances are they in lockdown in a luxury as apartment or in a tiny cramped room there is that issue the previous research on quarantine has become outdated early in the pandemic those reviews saying oak orenstein is highly stressful because bison an old version of corn today where you didn't have the internet we didn't have access to social media so i looked and it's different but there's still a lot to learn about. the impacts of lockdown and how we could make it more tolerable for people. to tell you we have to take a very short break for the time being pulled out of your skin color we know that in just a few minutes h e. r. look

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the people who may need to follow 0 certain. psychological problems interact relationship with 90 but there are many people whose lives you're trying. the worst . because of all the 19 heard that action matters and that could be any financial stress domestic abuse the deficit over the indy etc maybe even. the psychological trauma zachariah. all college 1000 national matters you know this you sort of balance them out. it's enormously complicated because it depends on has severe the infection is once community about the sorts of lockdown measures being implemented about where the person has prepared to go into lockdown and also whether 'd the person has

preexisting psychological problems people who are having a particularly difficult time of the best that we've been out to assess it so far is via the internet internet based assessments where people are in lockdown and they are completing surveys so we can better understand it but we're finding that the people who are doing very well are engaging in what's called emotion focused coping so if focusing on a over aiding the taking drugs or drinking a lot of alcohol they're engaging a lot of online shopping in a way of dampening down those feelings and that's creating further problems so that kind of coping also impacts how easy it is to tolerate lockdown how do you talk about this so all condit disregards. people. tend to think that the college grad is great. and always comply and social 'd. rules and 0 creature and sin and god.

i still want to ask you. how do you distinguish. a reasonable person critically absence often consistent and often. on a nation. i mean. sure yes we've got are we using this is as a psychological response or is it. so the question there's no hard line the hard core conspiracy theorists who think it's all a conspiracy who think the whole cover thing is a bio weapon you can distinguish those individuals because they believe in other conspiracy theories they believe that $911.00 was an inside job that nasa faked the moon. and it's and so forth so there are those people but indeed there are other people who are quite sensible and skeptical who might say well the danger on masters and as strong as we would like or where what they're worried the vaccine production might be rushed so yes there are reasonable skeptics out there as well.

who didn't want to do you know. the one hand you know want to be painted as. somebody who endangered their lives or on the other hand i think many governments including russian and 99. putting the blame on the people and accusing them of not barry and i trying to be. wary how do you. stay true to yourself being a responsible citizen but also. critical thinker and in terms of assessing what the government to offer. support i think 1st of all you shouldn't get all your news from social media because social media can present a distorted picture get your news from reliable sources agree it's important to critically think through things the impact on yourself and the community but you

also remember that managing this pandemic involves all of us agreeing to give up our freedoms in small ways to do a number of things and no single thing is going to be a magic bullet a vaccine by itself won't be enough wearing a must quite so far be enough we have to engage in all of these things to follow what is currently understood as the best practice even just national small little satirizes freedom and it just happens to. be read their lives in myra's recent data. as stanford prison experiment. and see who lays very. exchanging freedom for designs is naturally. leaning. towards solitary what would you say to those who are disturbed by. so much how are you getting the power . i think it's reasonable for citizens to speak

at if they think that restrictions are excessive or unnecessary on jew because managing a pandemic involves 2 things really it involves getting people to do things to lower the risk of infection but also trying to manage people's anxiety so they're not too stressed out and so forth you've got to manage both and so if the government is managing one but not the other than people in the community do need to speak out i think that's reasonable to do that. immediately stating that i have no question that in some western countries especially in those where. liberals and conservatives is not. downsize and not restricted managers i'm no longer just the means of containing the companies are doing. what. may create additional challenges for people because restoration of the

wind being used to record bonds being used in a political game. the ways of processing it. i think it's important to realize that pandemics just like politics a dynamic events with things change republicans were anti mask initially but now we're seeing more and more. news stories in which republicans are out there wearing masks so realizing that things do change and trying to as best you can dissociate politics from public health now much of need in the. literal. or are those around. the south. own responsibility. to boost your immune system which by the way for me. absent from. us in our. weather maps. or how

even if. the dollar is strong. personal responsibility onto others then you. know it's not new at all in fact that's a strategy that's been long been used it's actually been used to help encourage people to get vaccinated against seasonal influenza it's a do it for the herd idea that even if you think yourself you're impervious to get sick or stop america you do it to protect others around you and that appeal to else who is m m can you very helpful is our summer slipping by now that. is the number one race factor it driving down and this is something that people ghastly. and want to do things that is troubling to me is that there's little discussion among the governments and you know that's true for many countries . and very new people talking about the need. to

actually be watchful of what you put into them out behind. it sounds like to me at least likely because. offering people an easy solution and protection a young guy or is that is ultimately determined not by social interactions that actually the who. as i guess is the way a matter of balancing up the the risks excess weight is correlated with mortality for covered 19 but the problem is people who are very obese also tend to have co-occurring medical problems which increase in risk of mortality as well so for the average person know who's who is not extremely obese putting on a few pounds during a pandemic might not be such a bad thing and it's probably safer to wear a mask than to have that extra worry of trying to. keep your weight down when

you're in lockdown and you can exercise anyway i guess as a matter of balancing the things out. really it's a matter of dancing out just the way i think about it in the new narrative now that we all have to. think about how our own choices in friends. jamey treat implicity as a personal issue because i mean if. it is pretty clear that most of the complications and. emergency or it's. actually. down to do for now how do you know it's your chance and not required to go into downs to protect your future he sounds very critical in your answer that this is russia. again back to the narrative of maybe narratives vary from country to country in

canada the narrative is because and then be safe so it's a jewel thing you owe to yourself and your community but getting. back to the the obesity issue that is a long term problem that is not a quick fix and so i think it would be unreasonable to insist that a person manage their obesity during pandemic when it but so many other things to manage that might be something left best to the pandemic is over but professor jeremy called your seminary law to. be a logical. interests. and specifically hiding and sugar on. drugs etc lisa you carry. into. information etc. so. if we examine the. ripples you have people didn't.

even during the production randomly. given. these and. it's an interesting complex question i'm not aware of any research showing that a rapid diet keeps you safe and covered 19 that needs to be studied more but we also need to consider all the stresses that people are under at this point and maybe leaving the diet thing till after the pandemic but it's a personal choice of course actually being for everybody owns everybody some of the ability to think about each other had i. not used to how do you consider signing and i just struggle refining your we are doing. do you have any suggestions on this. well yes blaming and shaming that been used a lot and it's almost a natural human response but it just makes

a bad situation even worse i mean you can take charge of your your own behavior and try to be compassionate to others but in an individual istic societies if you go around and trying to tell other people what to do that is likely to backfire. heem do you this is the sign is the prime very very soon we're going to. be told and hearing that we should also you know what. well i guess you could if you wanted to but i again i don't think that's as bigger a problem as it's being made out to be the obesity is linked to co-existing general medical conditions which lead to mortality and i would i would suggest that we can leave obesity to after the pandemic we have enough to deal with right now i guess. if you very much for sharing your. pleasure talking to you thanks very much.

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