tv Cross Talk RT November 2, 2020 12:30am-1:00am EST
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to discuss these topics and more i'm joined by my guest george samueli in budapest he is an author and a you tuber abacab goal and here in moscow we're joined by dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor at interest me internet media project hi gentlemen crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it well let's go to george in budapest 1st well george this is the last time we'll be doing this format before the election here and i think for me since this programming cross talk in general focuses a lot on the media you know irrespective of the outcome on tuesday then the media really acquitted themselves into the deplorable way this election cycle because we have at the very very end and i'm not saying you know we like this october surprise of the hunter by laptop i mean let's just put that aside here it is
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a news story and the media for a lot for the most part there are some exceptions but for the most part refused to recognize this is a fact that it is important for people to make decisions about their political future they talk a lot about outside meddling it's the media. is meddling in this election george yes you're absolutely right not in pot they have been intimidated by the clinton campaign and by the democrats since 26 t.v. so they've been accused of having publicized the disclosures the wiki leaks and thus helping. trump win and at worst helping the kremlin so just to be you know fair to the media i think they they've been scared of touching this because again they think of trump wins then they will be blamed for this victory but that doesn't excuse their refusal to investigate something that is
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clearly news because here we have the man who presumably or piece of going into the polls will be the next president of the united states was using his name to enrich his family and he was his family was in business with some very dicey people helping the chinese government which after all but it's going to be one of the big issues of the coming decades america. rivalry competition whatever with china and here is this man was going to be the president who is really seems to be batting for the other team he's helping the chinese government to infiltrate itself within american life through biden's family that is a very very big deal and for the media just to ignore it is simply
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a serious dereliction of duty you know essential what they have done is they've suspended their professionalism what little they handed it and they suspended commonsense and any sense of ethical behavior in it shows their partisanship i mean they've shown their colors to everyone here they don't want to look at. you're a real story because the russia gate hoax was a hoax ok this has parenthetic evidence ok so they're suspending any kind of ethical. sense whatsoever and it's george wein enough they're afraid i don't care if they're afraid this is not about being afraid it's about what's true what is real go ahead jim well it's very interesting that george sad that the media. is afraid of being bullied for trump's victory you know there are 2 minds me or terry terry and societyis you know where if something else functions then the media is blamed for not paying enough attention or for you know somehow clued in with
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the enemy and we have credit thought during their these 2 elections 20162021 of the. i would see more. absurd allegations have just recently read in the foreign affairs there is an article headlined americans are primed to accept their adversaries narrative or does what the author is more rosenberger and here's how the story begins or russia's internet research agency at kremlin link company executives influence peroration organized religious both in support of president elect drum and in protest against him but event m. and head and demonstration called trump is not my president drew as many as 10000 people to the street so this is just amazing i mean the nazis used jewels or
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you know. create more than financial economy and then also organize in the great depression in 130 in the same way you know this. publication foreign affairs if you loose russia who have help in trying to win and then organizing and really against you know. this is just amazing what they're suggesting and the same story here i mean by i don't see connections to china to you know or the we do or more schools mer i mean these are facts you know when they write for example or death these allegations or unclear provenance this is against again the foreign affairs a recent new york 4 story a bald biden song hanta information on the clear provenance well the provenance is very clear what do you believe you know we have seen this man in for nash and block
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you know i'm sorry in question sort of dr carson very interesting information ok you may think what they would want to bomb upon you but would instigate you doesn't seem like a very see when you character to me but at least you don't pay some attention but the reaction from the mainstream media was who cares about a son of a biden he is oh a saga by them that's why he can be excused for everything you know but we have heard that this was not the american way i mean them erika's have been teaching us here in russia in hungary in paul and they have been teaching us for 30 years this is not the american way and now we see that this is the american way and again she likes information again it's a suspension ok suspension of any kind of ethical behavior of common sense of logic george you know since demon brought it up ok this foreign affairs article i mean another another publication that i used to admire is just. reduced to click bait ok
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it's your mongering it's really shameful but george human eye on this program tucked in the summer of 2014 under biden working for but he's really i mean we talked about articles that were published by politico i mean if the story has been around for a. a long time and the the american media makes it sound like it's a complete myth but i think the same media reported upon it ok and actually threw up some red flags which the militias and some doing here and now in the last couple of weeks ever since the story broke or that the next level of the story broke they said they make it sound like it's come out of nowhere and it's russian implement this information but in 2000 summer of 2014 they did make that claim did that henschel yes i know that's exactly right it was reported now admittedly. it was reported in the. way in which russia gaited been reported so this is what often
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happens in the media that they report something they you know there's one story about it that there's no follow up and we get about that but then they can say well we didn't report it look there's a story from 2014 in which we actually reported this but yeah but where is the the energy and neal that you bought into something down. the drum and the geisha og but the grisly case is a very serious one because here we have definitely points there was joe biden because biden clearly in his being in agreement on the investigation all the company that. was a direct. line that he was the point man on the board of directors on what the board of directors on the board of directors yet. he did this and then why he was the point man on your brain and you know you got rid of the prosecutor he brought in somebody who were clearly not qualified to be
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a prosecutor and well in the case against brezhnev was closed down so yes there is something very much to investigate because this is the right with ones who would buy them but instead the media has repeated a talking point oh everybody wanted this prosecuted by the. wasn't joe biden oh the big case against the barisan there was goldman it wasn't really being investigated but just repeating talking points instead of doing any serious investigation because there is plenty of evidence showing that that committee was being investigated at the time the bidens the building. and that the case was brought to an end so you. know definite motive behind the bench and lo and behold a few months later the case against morrison was closed but george v. you know they didn't want to put any effort into that story but they put all their
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effort into a non-story hoax that they all created themselves ok i mean the irony here of things that are no a ball again as opposed to things that are completely invented by anonymous sources you know they the malpractise committed by the media surrounding the bite family it's not going to go away i mean they think that everyone's going to get now and there's enough information out there as i've said to george that apple is that you know you can call these people you know in these even give me a call and say is this true or not ok and oh we have evidence that a wire transfer i mean you do you admit this wire trend i mean it's completely different then the rush again hoax because there was no evidence in this case or so a trail had been apparently all around the world. oh oh yes and i would cite several concrete examples i mean there was
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a team will report to us from the mainstream american media who came to prague because there were some any good there was a move today in prague over russian intelligence official with some people from trying to come clean and it transpired that these meeting that went to police actually knew. the russian did in his official was there no oil drums people. they didn't need a bra if they didn't they didn't need a new one from russia there then the same story about mana for allegedly needs in a haunch will have been immediate with the songs in london and this ecuadorian embassy which never happened but there have been dozens so logical so about that right and here we have a situation there was a meeting and there was a money transfer and serious tony brings in flesh and blood under your questions why waste it on 3 of the questions for dr carson because you already failed there is a complaint against him as being the russian agent so decided he decided to come clean
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you can give your answers you know if tucker carlson interviewed him you can also interview right no one is interviewing him because it's not in their narrative i mean the problem with that if they're in the press is that it is all the interested in narratives that feed it's a gender i mean with ukraine again ok maybe a lot of people didn't like the prosecutor to get to shore can call home well by them going treetop but there were a real boom being of the so-called separatist c.d.'s just a dream i got to jump into what feel heard breaking into the heart break to continue on in our discussion and some real estate party.
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forward with mass production. has exposed the force of. what's going on in the family states please we made you specifically say life in the kiss no one from the . real radio received. interest in preliminary requests. billions those of us fresh in fact see. all right this is happening. we go and the reaction has been exactly the same as it was way back then joblessness jealous not the world reaction is made of green cheese. little are coming.
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welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're talking about the upcoming election. put it was go back to georgia in budapest on this program in december of 2016 ouster the election of donald trump i asked my viewers if the force regime change catalog playbook that the u.s. has played around the world with a vengeance since the breakup of yugoslavia if that playbook has been brought to the united states and i think in fact equally yes it's been brought to the united states and what we're getting here is a projects. by those that want to make sure the trump is not reelected is that
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they themselves are meddling in this election they are the ones that are creating confusion they're the ones that. rely upon conspiratorial ideas and what it does is it is destroying. confidence in institutions and in the idea of democracy itself go ahead george yes indeed and what we're seeing now is the classic kind of regime change operation that we've seen in other countries we have the polls putting out ridiculous numbers you know with double digit leads by them which suggests a massive landslide and then we have the newspaper story is already you know anticipating who. be in the biden cabinet and the drumbeat is that the election is in the bag but trump has been defeated and that should that result not materialize
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short on if it happens on tuesday night the trump is one or that it's inconclusive and that there's going to be fights in the courts then there will be a drumbeat a consensus that trump stole this election or the trump is in the process of stealing the election but he's the dems to challenge votes in the courts is really an attempt to steal the election and then you have to wonder whether what happened in other countries will in happen in the united states that would be riots in the streets the the democrats may as well refuse to do anything about them and then you have to wonder about the deep state what would happen if let's say the military refuse trumps order to send in the national guard to bring in to put an end to the riots could happen i mean you know who he doesn't enjoy huge amount of loyalty within the pentagon they say no we don't really consider you the legitimate
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president we're not going to send in the national guard what happens if it was a rebellion within the department of justice and said no we're not going to go file claims in the courts challenging these counts and then there will be the drumbeat and you can you even wonder whether math wrong and michael will step in and say i think president trump should do the right thing and step down. because i hear about saying it's going to happen but it's quite quite possible that there's an aria for the coming days but this scenario has been played out when you look at what happened in what was called yugoslavia with milosevic look what happened in ukraine with the you know kobe it's ok because the trigger as you mentioned the trigger is . we have to question the good bilin of the of the election that's their that's their. play book once you can get good people that we need to question the outcome of the election that's when they go in for a blast ok because you've already destroyed any sense of legitimacy it's you know
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how do we remedy it that's what they always do ok and it's almost always or by definition beyond any kind of constitutional decision you have to felipe ok deemer are we going down the right out there because i am absolutely convinced the kind of manipulation that the us employees trends changing regimes are bron the same thing is being done now against the american people oh absolutely and it's i think it's a case of some kind of do you mind on your mind just just because the whole country has for many years have been living in fear every time that action was coming and that was the case in yugoslavia that was the case in ukraine recently that was the case in belarus now and americans are basically are basically tried you know asked to create their own medicine and it started with trump and started with obama
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in 2016 because i think our bomb our well that's my opinion he was the warmest president in us history because he destroyed several very important rules rules that i would call institutions in the weights it was under obama that special services for the 1st time gotten involved full scale in there in the media campaign you know they were mentioned in the media all the time you know in 2016 you know cormier was accused of releasing information on clinton's case to cause to be elections or you were supposed to minimize by the democrats and then he was lionized by the democrats when he went against wrong so special services would involved in the political process big way under obama for the 1st time i don't remember any. presidents before that are bomb are not on the indorsed are just going to hear all openly campaign against the opposition candidate in 2016 remember
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how obama publicly promised g 7 members that trump would not be the next american president i mean who the hell was mr obama to promise it to foreign aid post to be decided by the voters get used to it this guy is going to be a condor another 30 years from a national park so when i read in the foreign affairs and article that i mentioned as a result us society may be all the more susceptible to foreign attempts to saw dobbed about the integrity of the democratic process well i mean the democratic press so basically the mainstream press sympathizing with the democrats let's be clear about that there's a mainstream press sympathizing with the democrats has been so indulged during all of these years they accused trial of not accepting defeat if he is defeated they accuse strom or preparing not to leave the white house if he is defeated you know you remember all the stories you remember how well trump made an irresponsible
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statement about his leaving office but then the democrats you know peddle did so many times so yeah you're right it's it's the same playbook you know my opinion is that people should not fear elections but under this new ideology we have a situation where every direction is a risk so ok the election should be complete if you will not be inspired in future in people and they are in fear and how it should be a risk it should engender fear but you know that that. assumes george that the authorities the people who run the country the professional managerial class the know who the right wingers should be these people fear the voter the voter might do the wrong thing. again that's what they're terrified of and if you look through cities all across the country i don't think it's republicans and conservatives that . are going to turn to violence it's these people that have boarded up their house
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homes and businesses they're worried about way i'm not of the loses go ahead. that's that's the irony of it exactly because if they really thought that. trump would be beaten they wouldn't be fearing violence because then the people would be out celebrating and. drinking and whatever so no question but what's there is about this and what's you know the parallel between yugoslavia ukraine georgia and all the other places of the color images that trump really cannot rely upon his own government own government could well collude with the riots in order to bring down trump the f.b.i. i mean the f.b.i. is openly defying him with christopher ray the cia the pentagon i mean you know like magic you had the defense secretary you had the chairman of the joint chiefs
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criticizing trump when he made his war grow some lovely and fuck these people then i'm going to do what trump does the way it should be riots and whatever and if trump says i want order brought back into the city is better than just say you don't know the gentleman present said animal. you know we consider biden to be the legitimate president and again we can see what might well happen with biden will then has the aura of the legitimacy and you know you can see the defense secretary telling off to me by then. the chairman of the joint chiefs going off to meet biden. that would create the aura that trump lacks legitimacy beaten he has to go the interesting thing is george is that. constitutional scholar. yes and i'm in really good historians of america the year 1800 is a very important year the presidential election because that was the 1st time 2
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opposing. politicians with radically different ideas about the country they explain handed to put on to the next ok they get they relinquish the presidency to their ideological and they sat down as gentlemen and that was 1900 was the time that we said the republic can take competing ideas so that precedent that was set in 1900 is that is intentionally as we speak to be become no envoy and it's because of the lack of trust in democracy not because of. outside meddling it's because they don't trust the people deem and go ahead we're up rapidly running out of time well i would say that here is their prescription for the more than time civil war here is how it was don in ukraine for example you have a group of people you know read in
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a completely new order of pink's to a country you know that they claim that they want election day or they just take power violently in the capital and then the province which stays with its traditional well yes resists and you have something like what happened in donbass we have a civil war unfortunately the same is going on in the united states right now the east coast and the west course all business supporting and you kind of america you know which people in the midwest people in the salt do not accept you know the people in the media west feel like they were america has been taken away from them this is why i compress so many desperate support us so this is the prescription for the civil war that played out in ukraine played out in the. a lot of other countries in yugoslavia other countries and now unfortunately that same dreadful playbook is brought to her that that's going to mean going to be stuck up at your
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job at it while you can here 20 seconds left or 2 but you know here is your scenario is interesting but trump will still be around so you know there are still going to be that tension and if trump supporters believe it was stolen from them they are going to defend who they think is the rightfully elected president of the united states gentlemen that's all the time we have will reconvene next next sunday and we'll talk about this here i want to thank my guests in budapest and here in moscow i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time remember across the boards thank you. some control from middle. of the night most of our very hardworking people who want to get ahead that have either have some some health issues or have some of it out
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of trick about luck a full time job won't always pay for a place to live and missing just a month's rent can get you a victim to gunpoint if anything bad happens to any thing that just throws your budget off slightly. you better catch up real quick or you're going to have a judgment of possession against you and get addicted to anyone that's homeless is history like garbage people look at you like a monster or someone bad or you chose to be there most of the time it's not the case see how it is to be pull in the world's richest country. to show its seemed wrong. but old rules just don't hold. any new world yet to shape out just they become agitated and in gains from it equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we just of the for common ground.
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