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hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter labelle american media greed nearly in lockstep avoiding to practice journalism again ideology trumps common sense reality and after the election how many voters will say not my president. to discuss these topics and more i'm joined by my guest george samueli in budapest he is an author and a you tuber abacab goal and here in moscow we're joined by dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor at interest me internet media project hi gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated where let's go to georgia in budapest 1st well george this is the last time we'll be doing this format before the election here and i think for me since

this programming cross talk in general is a lot on the media you know irrespective of the outcome on tuesday then the media really acquitted themselves into the deplorable way this election cycle because we have at the very very end and i'm not saying you know we like this october surprise of the hunter by laptop i mean let's just put that aside here it's. as a news story in the media for the law for the most part there are some exceptions but for the most part refused to recognize this is a fact that it is important for people to make decisions about their political future they talk a lot about outside meddling if the media is meddling in the selection george yes you're absolutely right. in pots they've been intimidated by the clinton campaign and by the democrats since 2016 so they've been accused of having

publicized the disclosures the wiki leaks and helping. trump when i was helping the kremlin so just to be you know fans of the media i think they've been scared of touching this because again they think of trump wins then they will be blamed for this picture but that doesn't excuse the refusal to invest in something that is clearly news because here we have the man who presumably or this according to the polls will be the next president of the united states was using his name to enrich his family and he was his family was in business with some very dicey people helping the chinese government which after all but going to be one of the big issues of the coming decade america has. a rivalry competition whatever with china and here with

here is this man was going to be the president who is ready seems to be batting for the other team. helping the chinese government to infiltrate itself within american life through biden's family that is a very very big deal for the media just to ignore it is simply a series there are leaks of. you know essentially what they have done is they've suspended their professionalism what little they handed it and they suspended commonsense and any sense of ethical behavior in it shows their partisanship i mean they've shown their colors to everyone here they don't want to look into a real story because the russia gate hoax was a hoax ok this has forensic evidence ok so they're suspending any kind of ethical. sense whatsoever in a george we're not they're afraid i don't care if they're afraid that this is not

about being afraid it's about what's truth what is real go ahead well it's very interesting that george sat in the media is afraid of being bullied and for trump's victory you know that reminds me or pathetic terry and societyis you know where if something functions then the media is blamed for long enough attention or for you know some how could you know with any means and we have credit bought during the elections 20162020 part of there i would see more. absurd and against and so i have just recently read in the foreign affairs there is an article headlined an american style prime to accept their adversaries narrative of doubt the author is more or rosenberger and here's how the story begins russia's internet research agency crammed into link company

that executives in who are a parishioner organized religious war thing support of president elect drum and in protest against him but event and had been demonstrations called trump is not my president drew as many as 10000 people to the streets so this is just amazing i mean that not just accuse jewels or you know of a creator. more than financial economy and then also organize in the great depression in 130 in the same way you know this. publication foreign affairs if you loose russia will both help in trying to win and then organizing and really against you you know this is just amazing what they're suggesting and the same story here i mean biden's connections to china and to you know the we door world moskos matter i mean these are facts you know when they write for example

that these allegations or unclear provenance this is against again the foreign affairs a recent new york 4 story evolved by them some hard to information on clear provenance well the provenance is very clear to anybody instead you know we have seen this man in france and block you know on certain questions saw tucker carlson very interesting information ok you may think whatever you want about 20 probably instead he doesn't seem like a very see when you character to me but at least you know pay some attention but the reaction from the mainstream media was who cares about the son of a biden he's our sob and by then that's why you can be excused for everything you know but we have heard that this was not the american way i mean the americans have been teaching us here in russia in hungary in poor they have been teaching us for

30 years this is not the american way and now we see that this is the american way against a guy that's information again it's the suspension ok suspension of any kind of ethical behavior of common sense of logic george you know since dealers brought it up at the foreign affairs article i mean another another publication that i used with miers. i mean reduced to click bait ok and there mongering. it's really shameful but george you want i just program tucked in the summer of 201400 by working for but recently i mean we talked about articles that were published by politico i mean if this story has been around for a long time and the the american media makes it sound like it's a complete myth but think the same media reported upon it ok and actually threw up some red flags which the vice president's i'm doing here and now in the last couple

of weeks ever since this story broke or that the next level of the story broke they said they make it sound like it's come out of nowhere and it's russian implement this information but in 2000 summer of 2014 they didn't make that claim did they go ahead joe yes yes that no that's exactly right it was reported now admitted. it was it wasn't reported in any way in which russia gate has been reported and so this is what often happens in the media that they report something they you know there's one story about it that there's no follow up and b. forget about that but then they can say well we didn't report it look here's a story from 2014 in which we actually reported it but yeah but where's the the energy and those neal that you poured into hunting down. the trunk of the geisha. the charisma case is a very serious one because here we have definitely points towards joe biden because biden was clearly into being and

a criminal investigation all the companies that he was a director at the time that he was the point man on the board of directors or what the board of directors the board of directors yes. he. did this while he was the point man on your grade and you know he got rid of the prosecutor he brought in somebody who was clearly not qualified to be a prosecutor and within months. the case against barisan was closed down so here there is something very much to investigate because this directly points toward biden but instead the media have repeated a talking point oh everybody wanted this prosecute the riot it wasn't just biden oh the big case against the barisan there was goldman it wasn't really being investigated but just repeating talking points instead of doing any serious investigation because there is plenty of evidence showing that that committee was

being investigated at the time the bidens in the building. and that the case was brought to an end so you. know definite motive behind biden's intervention and lo and behold a few months later the case against morrison was close but george v. you know they didn't want to put any effort into that story but they put all their effort into a non-story in job that they all created themselves ok i mean the irony here of things that are no a ball again as opposed to things that are completely invented by anonymous sources you know they the malpractise committed by the media surrounding the bite family it's not going to go away i mean they think that everyone's going to fit get know and there's enough information out there as i've said to george that apple is that you know you can call these people you know get in these even

give them a call and say this is true or not ok and oh we have evidence that a wire transfer i mean you do you admit this wire trend i mean it's completely different then the rush again hoax because there was no evidence in this case or so a trail had been apparently all around the world. oh oh yes and i would cite several concrete examples i mean there was a team will report to us from the main. the american media king to prague because there are some engagements that there was a meeting is there in prague over russian intelligence official with some people from trans complain and it transpired that these media never took place actually knew the russian intelligence official was there nor drums people. they did interviews with broadwell if they didn't they didn't need a new one from russia that then the same story about mana for allegedly needs in a haunch will have been immediate with the songs in london and this ecuadorian

embassy which never happened but there have been dozens so logical so about that right and here we have a situation there was a meeting and there was a money transfer and serious stony buildings in flesh and blood underneath your questions why waste it on 3 of the questions for dr carson because you already felt there was a campaign against you as being the russian agent so decided he decided to come clean you can give your answers you know if tucker carlson interviewed him you can also interview right no one is interviewing him because it's not in their narrative i mean the problem with that if they're in the press is that it is all the interested in narratives that feed it's a gender i mean with ukraine again ok maybe a lot of people didn't like that prosecutor victor short can call home well by them going treadle but there were aerial bomb being of the so-called

separatists c.d.'s and even got to jump into the ceiling breaking into the heart break and continue on in our discussion and some real estate party. well the pandemic no certainly no borders and is blind to nationalities. has emerged we don't observe the we don't look like seeing the whole world beats to the. people. judging. commentary prices please listen to. we can do better we should. everyone is contributing nature our own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenge is creating the response has been masked so many

good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we're in it together. welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm curious about remind you we're talking about the upcoming election. put it was go back to georgia in budapest on this program in december of 2016 ouster the election of donald trump i asked my viewers if the force regime change catalog playbook that the u.s. has played around the world with

a vengeance since the breakup of yugoslavia if that playbook has been brought to the united states and i think in fact equally yes it's been brought to the united states and what we're getting here is a projects. by those that want to make sure the trump is not reelected is that they themselves are meddling in this election they are the ones that are creating confusion they're the ones that. rely upon conspiratorial ideas and what it does is it is destroying. confidence in institutions and in the idea of democracy itself go ahead george yes indeed and what we're seeing now is the classic a regime change operation that we've seen in other countries we have the polls putting out ridiculous numbers you know with double digit leads by them which

suggests a massive landslide and then we have the newspaper story is already you know anticipating who will be in the biden cabinet and the drumbeat is that the election is in the bag but trump has been defeated and that sure that result not mean. gerry lies short on if it happens on tuesday night the trump is one or that it's inconclusive and that there's going to be fights in the courts then there will be a drumbeat a consensus that trump stole this election or the trump is in the process of stealing the election but he's the dems to challenge votes in the courts is really an attempt to steal the election and then you have to wonder whether what happened in other countries will in happen in the united states that would be riots in the streets the the democrats may as well refuse to do anything about them and then you

have to wonder about the deep state what would happen if let's say the military refuse trumps order to send in the national guard to bring in to put an end to the riots could happen i mean you know who he doesn't enjoy huge amount of loyalty within the pentagon they say no we don't really consider you the legitimate president we're not going to send in the national guard what happens if it was a rebellion within the department of justice and said no we're not going to go file claims in the courts challenging these counts and then there will be the drumbeat and you can you even wonder whether math wrong and michael will step in and say well i think president trump should do the right thing and step down. because i hear about saying it's going to happen but it's quite quite possible that there's an aria for the coming days but this scenario has been played out when you look at what happened in what was called yugoslavia with milosevic look what happened in ukraine with the you know kobe it's ok because the trigger as you mentioned the

trigger is. we have to question the good bilin of the of the election that's their that's their playbook take once you can get good people that we need to question the outcome of the election that's when they go in full blast ok because you've already destroyed the. any sense of legitimacy it's you know how do we remedy it that's what they always do ok and it's almost always or by definition beyond any kind of constitutional decision you have to felipe ok deemer are we going down the right out there because i am absolutely convinced the kind of manipulation that the u.s. employees trends changing regimes are bron the same thing is being done now against the american people oh absolutely and it's i think it's a case of some kind of do you mind on your mind just just because the whole country has for many years have been living in fear every time that action was coming

and that was the case in yugoslavia that was the case in ukraine recently that was the case in belarus knowledge and mary comes up basically are basically tried you know asked to create their own medicine and it started not withdrawn but started with obama in 2016 because i think a bomb are well that's my opinion he was the warmest president in u.s. history because he destroyed several very important rules rules that i would call institutions in a ways it was under obama that special services for the 1st time would involve full scale in there in the media campaign you know they were mentioned in the media all the time you know in 2016 you know cormier was accused of releasing information on clinton's case to cause to be elections or you were supposed to minimize by the democrats and then he was lionized by the democrats when he went against wrong so

special services would involved in the political process big under obama for the 1st time i don't remember any presidents before that a bomb and not only indorsed his party's candidate you openly can paint against their position candidate in 2016 remember how obama pub. promised the 7 members that prompt would not be the next american president i mean i mean who the hell was mr obama to promise it to foreign aid post to be decided by the voters ok make it good use do it this guy's going to be a condor not at the party of years of america. so when i read in the foreign affairs i'm dodging on that i mentioned as a result us society may be all the more susceptible to foreign attempts to saul dollop of both the integrity of the democratic process well i mean the democratic press or basically the mainstream press sympathizing with the democrats let's be clear about that that the mainstream press sympathizing with the democrats has been

so in dollars during all of these years they accused trump of not accepting defeat if he's defeated they cure strom or preparing not to leave the white house if he is defeated you know you remember all these stories you remember how well trump made an irresponsible statement about it he is leaving office but then the democrats you know peddle did so many times so yeah you're right it's the same playbook you know my being is that people should not fear elections bob under this new idea what would we have a situation when every direction is a risk so ok elections should be completed should not be inspired in future in people and they are inferior now you know i mean it should be a risk it shouldn't engender fear but you know that that. assumes george that the authorities the people who run the country the professional manager real class the

know who the right winner should be the these people fear the voter of the voter might do the wrong thing again that's what they're terrified of and if you look through cities all across the country i don't think it's republicans and conservatives there. are going to turn to violence. it's these people that have boarded up their house homes and businesses they're worried about way i'm not of the loses go ahead just because that's that's the irony of it exactly because if they really thought that. trump would be beaten they wouldn't be fearing violence because then the people would be out celebrating and. drinking and whatever so no question but what's there is about this and what's you know the parallel between yugoslavia ukraine georgia and all the other places of the color revolution is that trump really cannot rely upon his own government own government could well collude

with the riots in order to bring down trump the f.b.i. i mean the f.b.i. is openly defying him with christopher ray the cia the pentagon i mean you know like magic you had the defense secretary you had the chairman of the joint chiefs criticizing trump when he made his war grow some lovely and fuck these people then i'm going to do what trump does the way it should be riots and whatever incentive trump says i want or the brought back into the city is better than just say you know the gentleman present said animal. you know we consider biden to be the legitimate president and again we can see what might well happen with biden will then has the aura of the legitimacy and you know you can see the defense secretary telling off to me by then. the chairman of the joint chiefs going off to meet biden. that would create the aura that trump lacks legitimacy beaten

he has to go the interesting thing is george is that. constitutional scholars and really good historians of america the year 1800 is a very important year the presidential election because i was the 1st time to opposing. our politicians with radically different ideas about the country they explain handed to put on to the next ok they get they relinquish the presidency to their ideological and they sat down as gentlemen and that was 1900 was the time that we said the republic can take competing ideas so that precedent that was set in 1900 is that is intentionally as we speak to be become no envoy and it's because of the lack of trust in democracy not because of. outside meddling it's because they don't trust the people

deem and go ahead we're up rapidly running out of time well i would say that here is their prescription for the more than time civil war here is how it was don in ukraine for example you have a group of people you know really in a completely new order of pink's to a country you know that they claim that they want election day or they just take power violently in the capital and then the province which stays with its traditional well yes resists and you have something like what happened in donbass we have a civil war unfortunately the same is going on in the united states right now the east coast and the west course all business supporting and you kind of america you know which people in the midwest people in the salt do not accept you know the people in the media west feel like they were america has been taken away from them this is why i compress so many desperate support us so this is the prescription for

the civil war that played out in ukraine played out in a lot of other countries in yugoslavia and other countries and though unfortunately that same dreadful label is brought to the net that's going to be going to they're going to want this to happen. but it wasn't here 20 seconds left george but you know here is your scenario is interesting but trump will still be around so you know there's still going to be that tension and if trump supporters believe it was stolen from them they aren't going to defend who they think is the rightfully elected president of the united states gentlemen that's all the time we have will reconvene next next sunday and we'll talk about this here i want to thank my guests in budapest and here in moscow i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are you see you next time remember across up walls thank you.

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