i want to. say. 6 hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on peter labelle american media agreed nearly in lockstep ovoid to practice journalism again ideology trumps common sense reality and after the election how many voters will say not my president.

to discuss these topics and more i'm joined by my guest george samueli in budapest he is an author and a you tuber abacab goal and here in moscow we're joined by dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor at interest me internet media project hi gentlemen crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated way let's go to georgia in budapest 1st well george this is the last time we'll be doing this format before the election here and i think for me since this programming cross talk in general is a lot on the media you know irrespective of the outcome on tuesday then the media really acquitted themselves into the deplorable way this election cycle because we have at the very very end and i'm not saying you know we like this october surprise of the under by. laptop i mean let's just put that aside here it is

a news story in the media for the lot for the most part there are some exceptions but for the most part refused to recognize this is a fact big is important for people to make decisions about their political future they talk a lot about outside meddling it's the media is meddling in this election george yes you're absolutely right. not in pot they have been intimidated by the clinton campaign and by the democrats since 2016 so they've been accused of having publicized the disclosures the wiki leaks and thus helping. trump win and at worst helping the kremlin so just to be you know fair to the media i think they they've been scared of touching this because again they think of trump wins then they will be blamed for this picture but that doesn't excuse their

refusal to investigate something that is clearly news because here we have the man who presumably or piece of going into the polls will be the next president of the united states was using his name to enrich his family and he was his family was in business with some very dicey people helping the chinese government which after all but it's going to be one of the big issues of the coming decades america. rivalry competition whatever with china and here is this man who's been could be the president who is really seems to be batting for the other team he's helping the chinese government to infiltrate itself within american life through biden's family that is a very very big deal and for the media just to ignore it. it is simply

a serious dereliction of duty you know game in essentially what they have done is they've suspended their professionalism what little they handed it and they suspended commonsense and any sense of ethical behavior in it shows their partisanship i mean they've shown their colors to everyone here they don't want to look into a real story because the russia gate hoax was a hoax ok this has forensic evidence ok so they're suspending any kind of epical. sense whatsoever in a george we're not they're afraid i don't care if they're afraid that this is not about being afraid it's about what's truth what is real go ahead jim well it's very interesting that george sad and the media is afraid of being bullied for trump's victory you know that reminds me or pathetic terry in societyis you know where if something functions then the media is blamed for long enough attention

or for you know somehow could you know with any means and we have credit bought during the elections 20162020 part of there i would see a more. absurd any good chance i have just recently already and therefore in a furnace there is an article headlined an american style prime to accept their adversaries narrative of doubt the author's morals and berger and here's how the story begins are russia's internet research agency crammed into link company that executives in who are a parishioner organized religious war thing support of president elect drum and in protest against him but event and had been demonstrations called trump is not my president drew as many as 10000 people to the streets so this is just amazing i mean that not just accuse jewels. or you know. creating

more than financial economy and then also organizing in the great depression in 1000 to you in the same way you know this. publication foreign affairs if you loose russia both help in trying to win and then organizing and really against him you know this is just amazing what they're suggesting and the same story here i mean biden's connections to china and to you know the we dorward moskos matter i mean these are 1 facts you know when they write for example that these allegations or unclear provenance this is against again the foreign affairs a recent new york post story about buying them some hard to information on clear provenance well the provenance is very clear to anybody instead you know we have seen this man in france and block you know on certain questions saw tucker carlson

very interesting information ok you may think whatever you want about 20 probably instead he doesn't seem like a very see when you character to me but at least you know pay some attention but the reaction from the mainstream media was who cares about the son of a biden he's our sob over by then that's why he can be excused for everything you know but we have heard that this was not the american way i mean the americans have been teaching us here in russia in hungary in poor they have been teaching us for 30 years this is not the american way and now we see that this is the american way against the guidance information again it's the suspension ok suspension of any kind of ethical behavior of common sense of logic george you know since dylan brought it up this foreign affairs article i mean another another publication that i used with miers. i mean really. used to click bait ok and scaremongering it's

really shameful but george unite on this program tucked in the summer of 201400 by working for but recently i mean we talked about articles that were published by politico i mean if the story has been around for a long time and the the american media makes it sound like it's a complete myth but i think the same media reported upon it ok and actually threw up some red flags of which the vice president's i'm doing here and now in the last couple of weeks ever since this story broke or that the next level of the story broke they said they make it sound like it is coming out of nowhere and it's russian implement this information but in 2000 summer of 2014 they didn't make that claim did they go ahead joe yes yes no that's exactly right it was reported it now admitted. it was it wasn't reported in any way in which russia gaiters the report and so this is what often happens in the media that they report

something they you know there's one story about it that there's no follow up and get about that but then they can say well we didn't report it look here's a story from 2014 in which we actually reported it but yeah but where's the the energy and was the real that you can pour it into something down. the trunk i think they should but the core is my case is a very serious one because here we have definitely points towards joe biden because biden was clearly into being and a criminal investigation and all the companies that he was a director at the time that he was the point man on the board of directors or what the board of directors the board of directors yes. did this. why he was the point man on ukraine and you know he got rid of the prosecutor he brought in somebody who was clearly in. qualified to be

a prosecutor and within months the case against brezhnev was closed down so here there is something very much to investigate because this directly points toward biden but instead the media have repeated a talking point oh everybody wanted this prosecutor brian it wasn't just biden oh the big case against the barisan there was go and it wasn't really being investigated but just repeating talking points instead of doing any serious investigation because there is plenty of evidence showing that that committee was being investigated at the time the bidens is the building and that the case was brought to an end so you. know definite motive behind biden's intervention and lo and behold a few months later the case against gore is way squoze but george you know they didn't want to put any effort into that story but they put all their effort into

a non-story hoax that they all created themselves ok i mean the irony here of things that are no a ball again as opposed to things that are completely invented by anonymous sources you know they the malpractise committed by the media surrounding the bite family it's not going to go away i mean they think that everyone's going to fit get now and there's enough information out there as i've said to george that apple is that you know you can call these people you know in these even give them a call and say this is true or not ok and oh we have evidence that a wire transfer i mean you do you admit this wire trend i mean it's completely different then the rush again hoax because there was no evidence in this case or so a trail had been apparently all around the world. oh oh yes i'm bad i will cite several concrete examples. there was

a team will report us from the mainstream american media to prague because there are some engagements that there was a meeting today in prague over russian intelligence official with some people from trans complain and it transpired that these media never took place actually knew the russian intelligence official was there nor drums people. they didn't mean that bravo if they didn't they didn't need a new one from russia there then the same story about mana for allegedly media a honcho had been the media with the songs in london and this ecuadorian embassy which never happened but there have been dozens so logical so about that right and here we have a situation there was a meeting and there was a money transfer and to restore anybody in inflation block under your questions why waste it on 3 of the questions for dr carson because you already failed there is a campaign against you as being the russian agent so decided he decided to come

clean you can give your answers you know if tucker carlson interviewed him you can also interview right no one is interviewing him because it's not in their narrative i mean the problem with that if they're in the press is that it is all the interested in narratives that feed it's a gender i mean with ukraine again ok maybe a lot of people didn't like that prosecutor victor short can call home well by then going to read off but there were aerial bomb being of the so-called separatist c.d.'s idema got to jump in to. break and enter the heartbreak to continue on in our discussion and some real estate party. the bill is

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welcome back to cross talk are all things considered i'm curious about remind you we're talking about the upcoming election. ok let's go back to georgia in budapest on this program in december of 2016 ouster the election of donald trump i asked my viewers if the force regime change cataloged playbook that the u.s. has played around the world with a vengeance since the breakup of yugoslavia if that playbook has been brought to

the united states and i think in fact equally yes it's been brought to the united states and what we're getting here is a projects. by those that want to make sure the trump is not reelected is that they themselves are meddling in this election they are the ones that are creating confusion they're the ones that. rely upon conspiratorial ideas and what it does is it is destroying. confidence in institutions and in the idea of democracy itself go ahead george yes indeed and what we're seeing now is the classic a regime change operation that we've seen in other countries we have been. polls putting out ridiculous numbers with double digit leads for biden which suggests a massive landslide and then we have the newspaper story is already. dissipating

who will be in the biden cabinet and the drumbeat is that the election is in the bag trump has been defeated and that should that result not materialize short on if it happens on tuesday night the trump is won or that it's inconclusive and that there's going to be fights in the courts then there will be a drumbeat a consensus that trump stole this election over trump is in the process of stealing the election but he's the dems the challenge. votes in the courts is really an attempt to steal the election and then you have to wonder whether what happened in other countries will in happen in the united states that would be riots in the streets the the democrats may as well refuse to do anything about them and then you have to wonder about the deep state what would happen if let's say the military

refused trump order to send in the national guard to bring in to put an end to the riots could happen really you know he doesn't enjoy huge amount of loyalty within the pentagon they say no we don't really consider you the legitimate president we don't send in the national guard what happens if it was a rebellion within the department of justice to say no we're not going to go file claims in the courts challenging these counts and then that would be the drumbeat then you can you even wonder where the microphones and mark will step in and say well i think president trump should do the right thing and step down so you know nothing is going to happen but it's quite quite possible it's just it's an aria for the coming days but this scenario has been played out when you look at what happened in what was called yukos. with milosevic look what happened in ukraine with the you know kobe it's ok because the trigger as you mentioned the trigger is . we have to question the litany of the election that's their that's their playbook

ok once you can get good people that we need to question the outcome of the election that's when they go in for blast ok because you've already destroyed any sense of legitimacy it's you know how do we remedy it that's what they always do ok and it's almost always or by definition beyond any kind of constitutional decision you have to felipe ok diem or are we going down the right out there because i am absolutely convinced the kind of manipulation that the u.s. employees trends changing regimes abroad the same thing as being done now against the american people oh absolutely and it's i think it's a case of some kind of divide on your mind just just because the whole country has for many years have been living in fear every time that action was coming and that

was the case in yugoslavia that was the case in ukraine recently that was the case in belarus knowledge americans are basically are basically tried you know asked to create their own medicine and it started with trump and started with obama in 2016 because i think our bomb our well that's my opinion he was the warmest president in us history because he destroyed several very important rules rules that i would call institutions in awaits it was under obama that special services for the 1st time gotten involved full scale in there in the media campaign and you know they were mentioned in the media all the time you know in 2016 you know cormier was accused of releasing information on clinton's case. 2 calls to be elections so you will 1st dim allies by the democrats and then he was lionized by the democrats when he went to get strong so special services was involved in the political process big

way under obama for the 1st time i don't remember any presidents before that a bomb or not only indorsed are just going to hear openly campaign against the opposition candidate in 2016 remember how obama publicly promised g 7 members that trump would not be the next american president i mean who the hell was mr obama to promise it to foreign dignitaries almost to be decided by the voters get used to it this guy is going to be a pound or another 30 years in the national park so when i read in the foreign affairs and die because that i mentioned as a result of us site you may be all the more susceptible to foreign attempts to so dull about the integrity of the democratic process well i mean the democratic press basically the mainstream press sympathizing with the democrats let's be clear about that there's a mainstream press sympathizing with the democrats has been so in doubt during all

these years they accused trial of not accepting defeat if he is defeated they accuse strom or preparing not to leave the white house if he is defeated you know you remember all the stories you remember how well trump made an irresponsible statement about his leaving office but then the democrats you know peddle did so many times so yeah you're right it's it's the same playbook you know my opinion is that people should not fear elections but under this new ideology we have a situation where every election is a risk so ok the election should be complete if you don't we should not be inspiring future in people and their part in fear and how it should be a risk it should engender fear. that the. assumes george that the authorities the people that run the country the professional manager real class they know who the right winner should be the these people fear the voter of the

voter might do the wrong thing again that's what they're terrified of and if you look through cities all across the country i don't think it's republicans and conservatives that. are going to turn to violence it's these people that have boarded up their how our homes and businesses they're worried about if trump wins not if he loses go ahead just his this that that's the irony of it exactly because if they really thought that. trump would be beaten they wouldn't be fearing violence because then the people would be out celebrating and and drinking it whatever so now there's no question but what serious about this and what's you know the parallel between yugoslavia ukraine georgia and all the other places of the color revolution is that trump really cannot rely upon his own government is own government could well collude with the riots in order to bring down

trump the f.b.i. and me the f.b.i. is openly. defying it with christopher ray the cia the pentagon i mean you know magic you had the defense secretary you had the chairman of the joint chiefs criticizing trump when he made his use won't grow some lafayette park these people then are going to do what trump tells them we should there be riots and whatever into any from say if i want order brought back into the city it's better than just say you know the digit would present at any moment. you know we consider biting to be the legitimate president and again we can see what might well happen where biden will then have the aura of the digital missy and you know you can see the defense secretary toddling off to meet by then your dad the chairman of the joint chiefs. going off to meet biden. that would create the aura the trump lacks legitimacy beaten he has to go the interesting thing is george is that.

constitutional scholars and in really good historians of america the year 1800 is a very important year the presidential election because that was the 1st time 2 opposing. politicians with radically different ideas about the country they explain handed to put on to the next ok they get they relinquish the presidency to their ideological and they sat down as gentlemen and that was 1800 was the time that we said the republic can take competing ideas so that precedent that was set in 1900 is that is intentionally as we speak to be become no envoy and it is because of the lack of trust in democracy not because of. outside meddling it's because they don't trust the people

deem and go ahead we're up rapidly running out of time well i would say that here is their prescription for the more than time civil war here is how it was don in ukraine for example you have a group of people you know read in a completely new order of pink's to a country you know that they claim that they won't be election day or they just take power violently in the capital and then the province which stays with its traditional well yes resists and you'll have something like what happened in donbass we have a civil war unfortunately the same is going on in the united states right now the east coast and the west course obviously a supporting and you kind of america you know which people in the midwest people in the salt do not accept you know. all the people in the media west feel like they were america has been taken away from them this is why i compress so many desperate support us so this is the prescription for the civil war that played out in ukraine

played out in a lot of other countries in yugoslavia other countries and now unfortunately that same dreadful label is brought to the united states i'm going to tell you what they still have your child why didn't your 20 seconds left george but you know your scenario is interesting but trump will still be around so you know there's still going to be that tension and if. supporters believe it was stolen from them they aren't going to defend who they think is the rightfully elected president of the united states gentlemen that's all the time we have will reconvene next next sunday we'll talk about this here i want to thank my guests in budapest and here in moscow i want to thank our viewers for watching us here aren't you see you next time remember across the us thank you.

it was a very nice so far from president putin that i could have said no thank you or i could have said thank you and i said i'll take it and now it's time to introduce my is not bestial mr don't travel thank you says or do much to the. name whatever you want to i mean i don't know how would i come that news that's dishonest telecom's that a recorder or network that's totally dishonest c.n.n. and says you know 100 percent negative i clearly there's a change faster change is so. sometimes i say that's going to be a great story be a pretty good report and others good as you. will see what happens who knows

who knows what we'll see on the field with the success. of. an ongoing terror situation in the austrian capital with shootings at several locations including your synagogue several people have been killed and police are searching for at least one perpetrator. also protests sweeping the muslim world against the french president's crackdown on hardline islamic after a series of terrorist attacks our guests and gave us their views on the growing rift. completely chip and pin wheel for terrorism but we also want the right for our voice to be heard in these countries on the extremists have a completely different view of how they want to be. in dollar terms.