i'm holland cook i invite you to climb with me above the main stream media mire and from that higher fan to each to glimpse the big picture question more. watching our special coverage of the 2020 u.s. election the posted by rick sanchez featuring scott you know you all and cook your senators your c ventura and larry king only on our to your member state to. welcome back i'm rick sanchez it's 1030 and if you thought things were interesting before this are about to get much more interesting let's go over to brunch borys over at the big map shows how things are shaping up visually take away our and we haven't we're not ready to call any more states as of yet but i want to go through some of these key battleground states that we're looking at and i want to talk a little bit about what we're seeing reported at this time if we could start in florida i want to talk about that ok with 91 percent reporting we're seeing

president trump leading 51 to 47 and here are some numbers that miami dade already reporting 97 percent broward at 100 percent and palm beach county 95 percent and that especially broward is where you're looking at that democratic stronghold and you were hoping to get that turnout and that could actually if you were on the left that's where you're hoping to see that number pulled up let's go to michigan and see where they're reporting now we're not seeing huge numbers yet 35 percent reporting and it's give you this 55 percent to president trump 42 percent to vice president biden and remember when we talk about michigan they had they were going to be a little bit slower they were seeing day of voting reporting now and it's about mail in voting is going to come a little bit later and wayne county and oakland county in the detroit area we're not seeing big numbers reported yet so this could be very wide open 43 percent in wayne 28 percent in oakland county as of now and then let's move to ohio where as

we talked about earlier in the show it seems that vice president biden is outperforming where hillary clinton did in 2016 yet president trump is showing a 50 percent lead right now 46 percent for vice president biden but again when we look at the major air. it's cuyahoga county that's where cleveland is 40 percent reporting so far lucas county 19 percent that's where toledo ohio is franklin county 43 percent that's columbus hamilton county that's cincinnati 54 percent reporting so there's still a lot in those major metropolitan in ohio when you look at toledo in cleveland major working class areas so we'll see how those turn out and then we're going to pennsylvania next this one could choose it all if pennsylvania goes for president trump looks like he could secure reelection vice president biden were to win it it could change but we'll have to see how the map plays out in the next couple of hours philadelphia county again they were in the same boat as michigan where early votes were not counted right away it was actually they what day of voting 1st

because they could not legally open the ballots until the start of election day to start counting them and i want to say philadelphia county 23 percent reporting allegheny county that's where pittsburgh is a major working class city 16 percent reporting so there's a lot of room there right now rick pennsylvania until we get a better sense of what's going on in the bigger cities as we like to say we're not really going to know what's going on there ohio though is interesting 83 percent reporting and. pardon me donald trump is leading by 6 points but you said to lido has a reported in a big chunk of cleveland hasn't reported so rego's are places that are going to be more biden voters so this thing could still get more interesting there i imagine that absolutely and ohio could play a big role in this especially if biden has a hard time holding up the entire blue wall of wisconsin and michigan he could make

up some of those electoral votes if he were to say win ohio which was not expected at the beginning of this day and wisconsin is too early to call and michigan's too early to have absolutely north carolina for the 1st time is starting to now starting to trend toward trump georgia's looking like florida. at this point like trouble by 3 points so that's where we are on most of those at this point my thanks to you brett for keeping us up to date and we want to talk now about something that's. probably as abortion as anything else and that's europe much has been said about mr trump's relationship with nato in fact mr trump from time to time as president has been very very critical of nato when it comes to how much the united states does in his words how little they do he's almost made it seem like they're somewhat overpaid this is why we're paying particular attention to this story and when you talk about trump's relationship with europe you know you kind of remember in these last 4 years we've seen

a lot of different things one in particular that comes to mind when you have the leaders of canada the u.k. france poking fun at him at a big meeting laughing about him so it's going to be interesting to see and looking back as to how this might either change or if it's that there is growing a new president coming in so we're going to go to peter oliver on how the e.u.'s come to terms with this very different style of leadership take a look. it's not being comfortable of relationships between the european union and the trumpet ministration over the last couple of years in fact tree troops even the old tantrum that had a tendency to dominate proceedings back in 2018 the u.s. president was talking tough on trade with trump threatening tariffs on his european allies there by the barriers on cars and lots of other things even medical equipment where it's very very difficult to sell it to the european union and they're going to be coming on july 25th 2 to go shit with us we said if we

don't negotiate something fair then we have tremendous retribution which we don't want to use but we have tremendous powers tire of tit for tat is what ended up pumping with 25 percent price increases on the top. cheeses scotch whiskey and french wine coming into the united states the e.u. responded in kind with tariffs on orange juice peanut butter and harley davidsons the trade bottle had its real roots in a 16 year aerospace slugfest over subsidies paid by the. us which the. ruled gave it an unfair advantage over us competitor boeing another ruling this autumn the green light for brussels to put in place more tariffs on $4000000000.00 worth of u.s. imports for guess what the us government giving subsidies to. by summer of last year the fed moved on to well. today we're signing

a breakthrough agreement that will make it easier to export american beef into the european union and we've been under negotiation quite a while. the farmers we didn't think were being treated fair but the european union stepped up and we appreciate it by august of this year though the trade war had calmed a bit with washington in brussels agreeing to scrap some of the tower of the could see both sides make an extra $200000000.00 annually. easing some of those tensions in a trade relationship that's worth $1.00 trillion dollars annually in masses of defense when it comes to nato and states trump has his mind on the u.s. is money and the money firmly on his mind many nations over vast sums of money from past years and it is very unfair to the united states in

2017 a very diplomatic german chancellor stood alongside the us president and acknowledged that some in the e.u. needed to pay more towards nato. to. that the president underlined how important the things nato is nato is its prime importance for us and it was not. without very good reason that we said during our summit meeting in wales that also germany needs to increase expense. by this particular snuff food going from bad to worse with president trump pulling nearly $12000.00 u.s. troops out of germany while still demanding that and pay more into the nato port in fact trump was very clear on how he felt about germany and their bill paying on defense. it's been a rough few years and that's without even mentioning the iran nuclear deal which

trump pulled the u.s. out of you know laterally leaving the you pulling their collective hair out or an old stream to the gas pipeline which german industry needs but the u.s. sanctions are stopping being finished all the powers climate's a cordon of the multinational agreement torn up by the trumpet ministration trump dillon's have his supporters among the leaders hungary's viktor orban and the us president have similar migrant while the polish leadership looked likely to benefit from the redistribution of some of those troops leaving germany is also very much against the old street pipeline one thing almost 'd everyone in europe can agree on is that the us president is box office and we can expect more than a few all night is being polled across the european union as people stay up on election night into their wee small hours and beyond to see if this particular rocky relationship has another 4 years in it in berlin for r.t.

america i'm picture all of us. there and they're not the only ones of peter who are going to be staying up to see if the relationship continues as you say for another 4 years i left that order i think we've got another call there is our projection. missouri yes the a.p. is now projecting that missouri will be going to president donald trump with about 46 percent of precincts reporting we have about 58 percent for president trump $44.00 vice president biden and so now we're at 131 electoral votes for joe biden 108 for donald trump rick i'm just thinking. it probably won't be long before we get some calls specially in georgia where trump seems to be leading by some 12 points and that is after all a red state absolutely i mean traditionally red we haven't seen it change hands

in in a while but the thing was this was supposed to be in play and we talked about this the other day which was that with stacy abrams a couple of years ago. the democrats feel like there was blue movement in the state of georgia and they really felt that they could get this one away from president trump and possibly even pick off one of the senate seats as there are 2 up in this election cycle in georgia good stuff and we appreciate you keeping us up to date on that the numbers are now starting to come in we expect we might seem to be making some calls very soon as well the host of the press steve malzberg is joining us now to give us his take on how the night is going looks at this point like your friends are having a good night i mean there's still a long way to go here rose steve but i know you fancy yourself as a conservative and if nothing else the quick calls that we had seen predicted by so

many on the blue side are not going to come to fruition. right and here we go again all the predictions have been wrong that's not to say donald trump is going to win but you know we heard that joe biden was up nationally by 10 percent 8 percent 12 percent heading into tonight's elections the battleground states he had shrinking leads yes but still he had leads nonetheless the 1st time we heard he was in trouble in big trouble or conceding florida basically was today this morning when his camp was quoted as saying you know we have other ways of winning even if we should lose florida this is you and brett we're talking about every you know ga ga's in play we're going to we're going to take georgia they were never going to take georgia and i got to take texas i mean you hear all that nonsense over and over from the pollsters and from the media and they were wrong in 2016 they were wrong during his term when many predicted he would be forced out quit didn't want

to be president anymore was mentally incompetent was physically ill all the way down the line he would serve out his term and they were wrong on that and they were maybe wrong on this again he was supposed to have lost by now it was supposed to be all over joe biden was supposed to jog up like this to his little stage and give his prompter speech and then job correctly by the democrats who don't seem to be doing as well tonight as they expected what do you think it is . i think they couldn't excite the african-american voters now i know in some places you know that think it was george or whatever i heard he had a 92 to 8 leader 94 to 6 lead over trump but how many came out i mean that's the key if you have 10 people come out and you get 8 but they do the votes that's not going to do much for you. this was not able to garner any african-american enthusiasm when she was running for president you took her and cory booker combined and they did make

a dent in the african-american vote during that one state primaries because she was out before the primary started why they expected that she would be able to energize an african-american base or that joe biden would simply because he served under obama he couldn't talk his way out of the crime bill he couldn't talk his way out of you ain't black he couldn't talk couldn't talk his way out of a 1000000 things there were a 1000000 more that the media never brought up education is better in iowa than d.c. because you have no minorities and the way he said that when he was running in 08 is the 1st clean articulate african-american ever to run for president said that when he was running in no way i mean they could have nailed him if they wanted to but they never did so there was no and again i don't know all the exit polls and all the demographics but i think that if he loses that's going to be a key they couldn't get there a you know their base the voters they always take for granted couldn't get him out something both parties have done in the past and oftentimes given the position to

as we mentioned earlier on a movie or listening to just whoever happens to be next in line and sometimes next in line just doesn't cut it doesn't excite the base to use your words steve great conversation we'll be checking back with you throughout the night thank you my friend so listen i want to show you some pictures now of what's going on outside of the white house because you know things are starting to. just get a little different than the way we were showing that image before that's what it looks like now if nothing else it's a lot more busy and there is more police. let's go now to. bend on who's been following the situation for us there throughout the night what's the mood there are. definitely true rick that the mood is changing here i've been talking about this all night long it was a festive kind of atmosphere out here for a while not so festivity more there's no question our teams were talking about it there's been a 'd dramatic shift kind of this party atmosphere which they're still music going

on to a much more agitated mood for people who are out here not terribly surprising and as we've been talking about right now is leading the state he needed to lead and he's leading in texas he's leading in georgia he's leading in florida he's leading in north carolina and so interesting a few minutes ago just before we came on there's a group of people over to the side here who began yelling out lindsey graham last lindsey graham lost in trying to get the crowd to cheer and they got some people cheering him to break it to you lindsey graham didn't lose and so they took about you know 10 seconds for someone to correct them and then they checked google and said oh never mind in the crowd. the other thing that's interesting here is we have seen at least one arrest a night in the crowd one guy was arrested and now we've started to see a larger police presence you asked me the last time you came to us and you see very many police we weren't seeing them now we're starting to see them a group of 8 officers walked in here a few minutes ago 2 of them holding rifles they came right through the crowd there was a group of people following them lifestream in them kind of walking behind them with some sound like squeaky toys making squeaky noises behind them as they walked away

we've also seen officers from in p.d. on bicycles out here as well and then the other thing that we're starting to see are more people walking around with gas masks we're seeing more of that more people who look more aggressive in the way they're coming around and interestingly and again you know we don't know all the details behind this but there's at least one group here that we've spotted who is i defy themselves as press they seem to be wearing jackets invest it's a precedent helmets that's a press. pretty sure they're not press based on some of the things that we believe including tearing signs off of the white house throwing things over the wall so there's definitely some people here who are agitators and looking to create education and war is people as we get later into the night seem to be getting more aggressive and as we said a heavier police presence out here now so we'll watch it carefully but the more i think we get what many of these people here who were getting pretty much there all by supporters would regard as bad news the more we expect to see that situation the

great yeah and. hopefully that doesn't happen hopefully that doesn't happen a situation where not peaceful and we'll just see how things play out throughout the night let's go to the other side of the city now from one end of the monument area to the other the u.s. capitol now watching the hawks tyrell that you're joining us now to fill us in on the take from that perspective tyrrel to you. while you're over here at freedom plaza we do have seen an uptick in police presence we've had a lot of squad cars and police on motorcycles go flying by with the lights blaring just a couple of minutes ago we had a helicopter fly overhead put a spotlight on the plaza but there is no one here in freedom plaza just down from capitol hill except myself and other journalists one thing that was interesting that i did hear in the courts is that activists did over by where mr swan is reporting activists at one point brought a spotlight to black lives matter plaza and were projecting messages on the

surrounding buildings one of the more popular messages that you saw there was in case of coup we are many they are few so you know you do see you know people are acting up and not not in any kind of aggressive way but just definitely letting their feelings be known but ultimately again here in freedom plaza just down from the capitol while the electoral map is heating up there is just kind of a chill in the air here in d.c. but there is no action or no real movement of any kind of protest. activists taking place here on the streets here kyra you get any sense i mean you know you talk to people you're you're a smart guy you're a journalist you've followed the situation for quite some time if you've been able to think about putting your finger on what it is that doesn't seem to be exciting the democratic base tonight as much as some people expected it to be excited. i think it comes out i mean for the youth of this country and for the it just comes down to the fact that at the end of the day joe biden and kamel arris are not are

not energizing candidates they're not candidates that make you want to get out you know get up and really say i really believe in their message because part of the problem i think for them was the fact that at the end of the day they didn't have a message that really went beyond we just don't like donald trump we got to get rid of donald trump and yes that's a message but they didn't get into anything that they would do beyond to really help this country yes he said ok i'll try to handle covert better than the president but i will not again there wasn't really a strong core message beyond just get rid of donald trump and i think you've got to lead i think for people running for president in your candidate you have to leave with a message that really educates people on what your overall goals are what your real plans are to make their lives better and i think it just got too bogged down in to vote for us because we don't like him and on the other side it was kind of the same thing so really the saddest part about this election i think the really. spirits was there was no great universal message from either party saying believe in us

here's our policies here's our plan this is how we're going to make america better tyro of a juror following the situation for us there not far from capitol hill. to you for so we will bring back scott and how he was and helen cook of the big picture so one of the big things that we need to keep in mind now we've been on set for 4 hours and just 10 minutes we have the final 5 states if we're not going to count alaska at 1 am but we have california hawaii idaho oregon and washington there paul it will be close. which means the polling it's approaching it's done so going from this point forward holland what are you going to keep your eye on. what ben and tyrrell spoke of when they were describing the scene around them took me back to something that ronald reagan's speechwriter peggy noonan put in her wall street journal column this past week and she says we won't wake up on november for and say wow things are sturdy and placid again like they should be we're in an age of drama

and extremes there are too many ways to avoid the problems of being alive and the problems of your life through politics now the political tribe is the only family a lot of people have and the only religion they have to that's a fascinating that's a fascinating quote of an evaluator pipe and smoke it reminds me of a conversation that we had earlier this week scottie about the point in which all of us as americans are now and it comes down to the fact that studies are now showing that people derive more pleasure in hating the other team than they do supporting their own too and that's a reflection on bad candidates that we continue to put up by both parties if we actually liked our candidate completely then we'd be no problem but i want to go to fair and report you're right the polls are about to close it comes down to 4 states we're looking at arizona michigan wisconsin pennsylvania at this point of those 4

states biden has to win 3 trump passed away in 2 that's it that's the bottom line and then we have who our winner is the question is will we know it and you're right rick and that point once again people are more enthusiastic about their going against a candidate same thing in 2016 as they are about supporting their residents what does it say about us seriously what does it say about us as a people about us as a people is the clue i think there's plenty of blame to go around i don't want to just hang it on the candidates because they are. expression of us rush limbaugh calls twitter a cesspool yeah everybody got our voice so because everybody had a voice you had to raise your voice to be heard above all the other voices and i choose to think that most people are a nicer people than they seem on facebook and twitter and you tube and acrimony and when you're saying that everybody has a voice you know again i go back to my story on 3rd parties if everyone has

a voice nowadays with social media it's like why can't we still get more support behind these 3rd parties and ultimately that's maybe where you do have to take the other candidate to vote if you allow me for just a moment one of the things that most of the researchers are now finding is that most people get their opinions acclimated in social media so in other words because of the algorithms once they see that you like trump all they're going to give you is biden's bad biden's bad biden's bad and if they see that you like biden all they're going to give you on social media or on you tube etc through algorithms is trumps bad trumps bad trumps bad so what we're doing in this country is we're creating silos 2 different disparate groups of people who are basically being trained to hate each other that's a dangerous and where you were going around on how to use that clicker our channel sits between the left the channel and the right the channel and you can choose your news you do the daily dance of affirmation you can choose the news that doesn't

challenge your predisposition but you know it's i don't know but nobody that it was not talking about everybody having a voice is a bad thing i think that everybody everybody's always had one the question was up until social media only the elitist only a select few were able to actually get it out to the masses what social media has done if we were to take the algorithms out of play if it is about everybody to have a chance to be on an equal playing field a video of a dog you know a bath can get is just as many has as a politician presenting a tax plan and actually probably will get more the. that is a good thing the problem is like everything else all good things can be twisted and manipulated which is what you see when we get back to the newsroom quickly if we can just just just just to get to see a manipulation in the middle of an election without much. time to do the news again just to give you a sense of what's happening right now for those of you who are joining us at this late hour what was expected to be more of a bluish hue at this point in the night is actually looking very pink and in some cases downright red although nothing has been called 'd to now it is looking like

florida and georgia and north carolina are. tilting toward trump call them still too early to tell in pennsylvania ohio right now looks very trumpy and if i can coin a phrase. wisconsin michigan 2 are going to tell arizona will then become the linchpin at some point in the night but that's probably about another half hour 45 minutes to an hour away i think someone i interrupted was you know i was going to go back to scotty's point and you know talking about everybody having a voice let's not forget during that 16 member republican debate when they asked if he would pledge to not run for a 3rd party donald trump raised his hand and said i'm not going to pledge to it and i think it was one of those where he knew he was emboldened that he could possibly start that 3rd party possibly i mean i'm not sure i mean you remember scotty but it was one of these things where he definitely made a voice there is no reason why he didn't concede and said that i would do

a peaceful transition that's what donald trump does he would never say it's there and says because then they use that as a weapon against him oh you already think you're going to lose oh you are think you're not going to get the nomination the man is always the one step ahead because that's how he's had to be all of his life it's an invasion you know it's interesting by the way i didn't mention may maine right now is still very very tight and i think our state you know that most people were saying was going to go the other way. the plan for trump 2016. was a promotion he was going to launch his own news channel yeah with roger ailes and a funny thing happened along the way rogers not roger's son but. laughlin murdoch yeah rupert's son rupert son just said we love competition i see trump's plan b. and it's not the 1st plan b. . the gag about

w was that he was running to puff up his resume he really wanted to be the commissioner of baseball and the commission itself writes about it in his book. for the love of the game bud seelig said i didn't want to be commissioner george would have done a great job he had a great personality and i love the game but i'm funny thing happened in florida and chad so that's how it happened yeah well known documentary that's out there right now i think i might be in it i think a star and we're going to be right now that special 2020 election night coverage i'm rick sanchez with will expect that you'll be with us in just about 45 seconds.

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you know what's interesting at this point is that we had talked all night about north carolina leaning toward donald trump bret you can confirm those forced but i'm looking right now the associated press has 93 percent of the precincts reporting donald trump by one point here so 'd i don't know this is one of those cases where some of the areas that still need to report a rural which means tribes probably going to take this thing i don't know where they're coming from but sure is close at this point my friend well actually i want to get to that in just one second but let's 1st we have a call from the associated press new hampshire's 4 electoral votes will go to vice president biden that brings our tally right now to 135 for biden 108 for president trump if we can bring up north carolina before we go to georgia because i want to talk about exactly what rick was just mentioning there is not a ton of room because right now as we see it's one within 1.93 percent reporting

but here's here's where the county breakdown comes in mecklenburg county that's where charlotte is 98 percent reporting already but wake county that's where raly is still at 68 percent reporting so there is some room this could be a very very tight race we will see what happens what the projections look like as we move forward but this could be a very very tight race in north carolina that goes into the night as well let's go to georgia let's check out georgia because i want to i want to have a little bit of breakdown of what we're looking at there that we do have 62 percent reporting and it's looking very good for president from 55 percent to 43 percent for vice president biden but they had a huge. early voting numbers and they had a pretty good turnout this afternoon here as well fulton county and capt county and several other counties around atlanta they're looking at you know 33 and 51 percent respectively as well as some areas aren't reporting at all quite yet so in those

major urban centers in the georgia area and especially in atlanta we could see a little bit of a change but you know right now it's looking like president trump has georgia pretty much in hand but we will keep an eye on it because like we said anything could happen in this election and then we have a new bad new bappa with california oregon and washington have just been called. polls were closed and that brings our new total to $209.00 electoral votes for vice president biden $112.00 for president trump again as we look this is nothing that is unexpected so you still going to keep an eye on minnesota wisconsin michigan ohio pennsylvania north carolina georgia and florida are all seeming to trend towards president trump but that midwestern blue wall could be what we're looking at deep into the eye and maybe in the coming days as well rick. it's going

to be very difficult for joe biden if donald trump does indeed it looks like he's going to win georgia it looks like he was likely is leading by quite a bit in florida if he does win north carolina where he's leading now he pulls out a win in pennsylvania and a win in arizona then he just needs to pick up maybe wisconsin or michigan because ohio looks like it is as well and if that happens it's looking like he's really very much in the driver's seat right now and again these are the leaning these are the tendencies that we're seeing does not necessarily mean that's the way it's going to finish but that's the way it's look at brett right absolutely and like i would like we've talked about and we'd. but saying this for weeks pennsylvania is going to be a key here now arizona may be key as well because if that does go for instance to a joe biden that opens up the map a little bit for him but he still has to succeed in wisconsin and michigan but

pennsylvania is going to be that key and like we said with the way they're voting counting votes if the election comes down to pennsylvania which it very well might we may not have an answer tonight we may not have an answer for a couple of days as they try to get every one of those votes counted kind of slow counters and boy is one of the things that we do have to mention right now all of the close polls are closed except alaska only 3 electoral votes and when you say polls i mean people have stopped voting people have stopped voting in all states except alaska so now it's literally just going to be watching the wires and writing . a wire as well would be still open at this time is that yes you know it's hard to figure out those standard time. thanks fred for joining us. from other places let's go to mileage who's good enough to join us now somebody who has a real perspective on what other people around the world think about the united states

and talking in specifics about what the effect might be from this election and what people are saying right now do we have a sense of that alex. poll came out very recently here in canada canadians are concerned about what's happening in the states 68 percent actually said that the beer of breakdown of the system in the states that could lead to chaos this is 68 percent of the comedian population ok poll obviously has a sample number of people but i mean that's telling it's telling the whole world is watching what's happening united states canada our next door neighbor the u.s. biggest trading partner of the us whatever happens in the states and i have my american friends always ask me you know why do you care what is the world care about what's going on in the u.s. because what happens in the u.s. affects the rest of the planet and the story we can see the symbol of something that is a brazil with the president also narrow down there how about the president trouble

there were not too many comments coming up with a row and it's on forest is burning there so you know that's one side of the story the other side of those stories president trump who hasn't really started a war story that was for years that whole military industrial complex of the world is so worried about that we believe that the rest of the world believes the u.s. runs on it's been a fact and so you know you have 2 sides i warn people it in places like canada some support from some support by them but it's really exactly like it is in the states . i'm reminded of the expression that when america sneezes the world catches a cold and i think you very well explained that situation i'm wondering though and you know you've covered this many times as one of our correspondents on our newscast every night here in prime time i can't help but wonder what the europeans are thinking right now as they're watching what seems to be a trend in this election tonight if you were

a fly on the wall what would you be seeing right now in some of those are corners of the world alex. somebody as someone who was active in international diplomacy at one time. there's a protocol in the way diplomacy is done in this is something that the world has become used to especially when you look at europe i mean you know the very old school they like to do things a certain way president trump brought in something very different it was more about a business deal it was about negotiation it was something that america should say europe was very very uncomfortable dealing with simply for the fact that they never had to go through a transactional type of political movement before in the pot so for europe it was has been shaken by trump and some would say that's a good thing the whole political process sometimes needs a good shaking but at the same time for europe right now joe biden you know he said he's going to pick up the phone basically call everybody say hello and we're with

you 2 very different sides of are 2 very different approaches to an ally because our european neighbors are our allies to the united states. is that's the question you know what do they want to see most likely the europeans right now they're hoping to kind of get back to normal but with things that are the donald trump is done i mean this in certain arenas you can't say that they were all wrong and you know sometimes the establishment needs a good shaking. mark guy and a great correspondent i'm so glad we have you hang in there buddy we might be coming back to you as this thing continues to shake out throughout the course of the night i think we have another one of a shawl we're talent coming our way now right yes we have a nice across who is one of the hosts of watching the hocks i'm isha 8 glad to see your face welcome to the show i mean you know again just kind of getting a barebones thing right now to 09 biden donald trump 118 what say you at this

moment right now. well right now all eyes are on the midwest and the rust belt we know that biden has to win pennsylvania we know that wisconsin ohio michigan are leaning towards biden i think that was a loss to not have florida it appears that that's not going to happen but as someone who is an insider for the biden campaign has a lot of friends who are working top brass for the biden campaign the belief that he was going to win florida was that one that was really off off putting at all we knew that there was a large chance that he might not so the move towards you know looking at these midwestern states in the rust belt states was always one that was a lot stronger and then also waiting to see what happens in georgia you know have been a very good advocate for the progressive position i do and seeing you on the air many times not just here but in many places spazzing that position do you do you have a sense of disappointment right now in terms of the way things seem to be shaking

out even though we don't know what the final score is yet it's starting to look like this thing may be decided by a field goal. well i think that there were people who were hoping that this would be a slam dunk that this would be a blue wave i was never one of those i knew that this race was going to come down to a nail biter and be super close to begin with and i think that that's playing out across the country and i am still extremely inspired by the amount of early votes that we saw come out this year it was historic by so many levels and also those who actually did early vote we saw a ton of new voters we saw the diversity in the voter base that came out i think that that's something that america should be proud of i'm definitely not i'm definitely not downtrodden at this point i think that we still have a long night to go and those major battleground states we've got hours before many of them are going to be decided where he's going to have to he's going to have to win wisconsin he's going to have to win miss you're going to looks like he's going to have to win. pennsylvania his home state. so biden is still in a little bit of

a pickle here i'm sure the biden camp has got to be wouldn't you think a little nervous right now well when this is fairly say nervous but in the start the biden camp understood that biden's road to 70 was a lot more broad based than donald trump was and right now you know with the numbers we've seen come in donald trump won a lot of the states that everyone knew he was going to win anyway those were solidly red state with the exception of what we're seeing happen in florida where there was a there was an idea that maybe it might turn blue but for the most part the states that are key and trump the base right now are the state that republicans of one time and time again so there's no huge surprise. well there is still a chance in north carolina. but the biden camp chances in both georgia and florida are dwindling as the rest of them come in we're going to continue to watch those for you every show you're fantastic thanks so much for your for contextualizing this for us from that perspective i think it's really really important back to the

panel though yes we bring in scottie nell hughes have news for years hughes brought me holland cook of the big picture and of course lee can of red jacket tonight so when this is all over take the time to watch lee's monologue from last friday because you talked about very much foxconn. you brought this up as far as a big can a point of contention when it comes to wisconsin those union workers being promised these jobs then losing them do you think that is going to have an effect on wisconsin and also just those union parties themselves oh my god it's an amazing amazing horror show of late stage capitalism i mean donald trump along with scott walker and foxconn you know dollars from thought this battleground state all but helped bring $13000.00 jobs to this relatively small area and so he works with foxconn normally has these slave laborers in china right they're the ones that make our i phones and so far it's got agrees this deal because they want to be best

buddies with donald trump because it's good for them right that's good for their deals but of course they quickly find out if they can actually pay american workers to make l.c.d. screens you know they're paying people pennies in other countries why would they ever pay people in wisconsin so they've torn up the land to built a couple of structures and for the past several years have done nothing with that they hire people for a month in order to meet their quota they're given billions of dollars in tax subsidies were promised billions of dollars in tax subsidies would you and i might call bribes and none of it has actually come to fruition i mean it's amazing catastrophe and i don't know whether it depends on whether people see through it and they see. happen there in there that actually it causes them to vote a certain way i'm not sure but hold on to that point that is the reason why people wanted donald trump in because they saw all those bad trade deals they were having products here in the united states be built across them into foreign lands for so how does this all really different this question is that the heart of it is just proves once again that we need trade deals that what i thought we were on the verge of having with china that keeps our actual factories here and at my cost is

a couple more dollars at the wal-mart down the street but at least we're both in the products and we're keeping the peace of the employed here in the united states instead of the slave labor that your right exhibit is trying to get but if you try the opposite this prove it's wrong to say it's more strong says we're doing this and he still to this day so acts like they're going to hampel none of it's an example of why did we have more companies on the other side of. what happened to carol you say you had a carrier actually was and you're saying here in indiana when that happened it was about a year after trump was in office he had promised to keep carrier there and they got a bunch of tax breaks to stay in indiana and then i believe it was almost a couple days before his actual year anniversary in office they ended up going down to one thought a mexico and you lost a couple 100 a lot of 100 trade deals now the reason why he's going. to promise you is going to bring them back we still don't have everything you know i change that trade bill. that were a little bit because he did a little bit of math is going great right now and. it's going better than what it

has been well you know i think someone who has some experience in business will tell you that i'm not the c.e.o. of. carrier nor do i you know the guy or gal but i will tell you that c.e.o.'s 'd of businesses like kerry or you could give a darn about you there donald trump or joe biden or congress or anyone else what they care about is their shareholders and if their shareholders say you didn't do a good job and you didn't make me enough money and the only way i think you can make me more money is if you take your plan to get to mexico then that's exact. what he is going to do and it has nothing to do with trump or biden or politics or anything else because that's just not the way business operates so every time it seems that we go into one of the elections and one of these politicians says i'll get them to do this frankly i know you won't because not the way capitalism or bass not the way that you can always drive where they work that way but it doesn't work that way here no it's wrong it's profit over people at the end of the day you may

you may hold a couple of jobs for a minute to make it look good but at the end of the day they're going to want front and why then should we just send all the jobs across ever theater to south of the border should we not you should start to understand how the economic system works absolutely let's try to incentivize them to stay here and build their products here instead of going to other countries it's not hard i agree but it's also a partnership where those red caps made. well where the trouble i get to and which ones are the official ones on the knockoffs me right all down here is they're either a business term you may be familiar with low f i l o 1st in last out that's what we're waiting for right now pennsylvania the 1st votes cast will be the last ones counted because they were the male vote we're seeing the booth votes today well that's the thing you know pennsylvania may be very different from florida in that sense and you know that's a great point that you just made so in florida the 1st votes that were counted were the folks who voted 2 weeks ago and had dropped them in or mailed them and those

were counted starting last night and by 7 o'clock this morning they had 50 percent of them counted so in florida what they're counting now is the folks who count who voted today in pennsylvania it's the converse so essentially they've already got the ones who voted today and now they're going to figure out the ones who voted over the last 2 weeks lie low yeah and by the way that could be advantage biden right that could be advantaged by the because according to all of the reports that we have seen most of the people who voted early tended to be democrats so that might be one of those right might be finally some good news for biden we know his party affiliation we don't know how they vote exactly right that's a great point you know they were democrats it doesn't mean they voted for biden because as we know in the last election a lot of folks voted for drop who were democrats as well. you know when it comes to florida we're talking about 98 percent of the precincts reporting in i do believe we do have brant standing by that we could possibly jump over to it with any

numbers that we got how about you know. so the big map that we just want to update that quick utah has now been called for president trump at 6 electoral votes again no surprise here so they were at 209118 at this point and i wanted to talk about exactly what you just mentioned there fair and if we can bring up the florida numbers that we're looking at here 98 percent reporting 51 percent to 47 percent so there is no leeway whatsoever right now it would appear for vice president joe biden to make up that groud every vote that comes in at this point for him is crucial and he really in his campaign have to hope that you don't see additional votes for coming in as they're counting that last 2 percent that we are seeing in florida we could be on the cusp of seeing

a call from the associated press within the next couple of hours when it comes to florida rick and farron it's interesting so florida too close to call gee what a surprise. yeah but biden could still put together a map with yes yes biden could still win even if he loses florida even if he loses north carolina and georgia but i'm telling you right now it's getting very very it's getting much more difficult with each passing it's getting late moments later in the evening for him to be able to do that we talked a little while ago and i want to make sure you're a part of this conversation the fact that the democratic party continues to go with old stalwarts i mean it really is i mean the pen the bull he's nice and everything else but the voices of so many people. well in this country who have been making strong arguments about new directions and the democratic party and certainly the republican party doesn't want to listen to there are some signs with the house

races corey bush and jamal bowman who may be new members of the squad looking like they may very well win or on over there already been projected but so yeah there's some movement on the progressive but yeah i mean the other thing is that these polls that everyone was saying all biden's doing so well is doing so well and and now it seems like at least in some of these states you know he's still got a great chance of winning but in some of these states it seemed like he wasn't doing as well as i thought it's because it seems to me that it continues that these posters are not accounting for millions purged from the rolls we're talking millions investigative journalist greg palast is one of the few who is really delved into this and there were 8000000 people that did not get their vote counted cast last time around this time probably something similar these are largely people of color and they were purged from the rolls they think they're voting they tell people they're voting some of them even go in and fill out a provisional ballot and think they voted and it is not counting so i mean using

these polls when millions of purges laughable out of me show you still with us some wondering what your take is on charges that the republican party continually suppresses the vote in the united states why i think lee is absolutely correct and we've seen those of murder voter purges we've seen that voter suppression ratcheted up not only with certain poll closures but also with the targeting of mail and ballots we see you know what happened in harrison county texas we've seen time after time where the republican party has instituted these very racist policies when it comes to preventing access to the ballot for african-americans and i don't think that that changed in 2020 if anything it is only increased and it's extremely problematic because the more you suppress that vote the more you aren't suppressing that vote the harder it is for these communities the ones that have had. i have made demographic shifts over the past 1213 years to actually have those people's voices heard and as an african-american as someone who was. in the national urban

league i know they've worked over the past few years with specific i did 2020 paying attention to just how ratcheted up these methods were going to be and you know we didn't see extremely long and crazy lines today thank the lord but we did see a lot of those voter purges we do know that there are people who were told to vote in one place and that polling place did not exist we know that you know in georgia right now in county the largest county in georgia is going to be reporting 4 hours behind what we initially thought was going to happen because there was some type of water leak just in time for the election the ballots to be counted in the most diverse county in the state of georgia and there's a lot of hanky going on but i got to we need to balance this out though because look in pennsylvania today there are videos time and time again republican pollsters republican people wanted to go in and vote in pennsylvania and were denied and turn around it's across the board this is something that both parties charges. and then i marry you i hear you got it but there's

a long history in this country of suppressing the black vote and i don't think that this can be negated by anything there's no you know you think you're having a governor of pennsylvania we're talking with. several court. we're talking a boating right and long history in america of suppressing the black vote and that is not equal to it doesn't mean we're talking about you know i was not agreeing in pennsylvania just so you want to vote for tennessee girls i haven't remember memphis there is a reason to go through voter rosters when people move i live here in d.c. i live in nashville i voted national i got them attention i got a voting thing here in d.c. in my condo said to my condo ok there is a reason to make sure that our voting rosters are legitimate and actually going to voters there is corruption within those it's not a republican or democrat issue it happens on both sides you're voter suppression i agree there's been you know we don't know that answer to every one person that we can. sure it was a letter to one person i don't remember it immensely tell me something different people don't want to know but i don't want to talk unless it were in sort of thing let's not that i don't want to talk about it why did you want me about my going on

with air and look at but i'll tell you a story i don't know what they made it i crossed again where it had been country there has been work to stop african-americans from voting and trying to equate that to anything that is episodic in pennsylvania it's actually you know what to everything the civil rights leaders and african-americans i'm not going to do that we're going to get only a fight right now literally going to be allowed to do you legal that i want to that's what i know that comparison does not make since it is no no no let's go there live and you're going to get why do you want to do it my voters aren't surveying outlets but really we're not labeling let's just bring down the heat a little bit although it's very passionate conversation and we appreciate perspectives from both sides let me show at the end of the day what are you pulling for as you're looking at this map right now to see if indeed biden can make the comeback that a lot of his supporters are hoping he makes is that arizona is it pennsylvania is it ohio well i'm a native chicago and so i'm always rooting for the midwest may think that it's definitely going to be wisconsin michigan ohio and making sure that there is

a great showing in pennsylvania and i think that those are his pathways those are the pathways to the great numbers he's going to need this is a nail biter and this is going to be a very close race but he definitely have to have the midwest and he has to happen something. president need to do at this point what are you looking for are you looking for him to score one to be able to make the rust belt pennsylvania it's michigan it's going to study is going to have to square that we do think that arizona is going to be called for biden congratulations to the democrats they're going to both get a senate seat and claim arizona i think is where it's going to lean towards what it's looking like so they're going to he's going to pick up the other ones minnesota still hasn't been called wisconsin hasn't been called michigan has been called it comes down to the ballots are going on down to the hard workers of america in order to decide this election but either way interestingly enough texas though it looks like it's going to be a trump. say at this late hour it has still not been called despite the fact that all its neighboring states have been called at this point lead for the show take us

out with the last word way well she says it comes down to the workers who are getting screwed by both parties i would just like to make that clear they are celebrating that wages are stagnant or they've been stagnant for decades meanwhile the rich get richer trillions of dollars to the top few individuals and it's rather disgusting well and i thank you for putting it so i don't know but it was always are very good at very politely and delicately making your point we campaign ladies and gentlemen all right guys we're going to continue this is. we're about i think halfway there or something i don't know it's hard to tell if it's on i'm rick sanchez thanks so much for being with us stay with us because things are only going to get more and more interesting as the night bears out we'll be right back.

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your senators yes even true and larry king only on our team america stay tuned. well welcome back i'm rick sanchez it's now 30 minutes after the hour of 11 o'clock here on the east coast of the united states we're following several developing stories certainly the crowd starting to gather in our nation's capital as people who are extremely anxious about what's going on with tonight's vote letting their voices be heard we have correspondents on both sides of the city who are going to be checking on that for you then of course we've got the big map which is showing you how things are shaking out right now in fact as you look at it right now and as we shake out the states that are coming in there doesn't seem to be any major surprises as we've said before it's not about what's been called it's about the the tilts are the indications of what hasn't happened in other words the expectation was that we would see places like florida down there george north carolina just above it by now being called in fact most people were thinking that was going to

probably go blue at this point the fact that it hasn't gone blue is showing that there's an expectation that it may very well go red so we're watching that as soon as we get one of those calls which may come shortly we're going to share that with you so for now i think it's time to get back over to the big mouth i absolutely think it is and if you thought 2016 was funny election guys they're having fun with us tonight folks what we're going to go over do a bunch of bore host a boom bust now for the latest numbers out the wall brian and remember i mean not only do we have a highly contested election here we also have that incredible amount of early voting and mail in voting due to the pandemic which we try to mention quite regularly here too to bring that context in there but that's why we're not seeing some of these states called as soon as we maybe would have in the past and i think to your point re. about texas that's what we're seeing a lot of there as well because they had a lot of ballots to count as well so we'll see what happens in the coming in the

coming hours when it comes to that but i want to go through a couple of states i want to touch on that blue wall again that we talk about up in the midwest and we're going to start with wisconsin here and this is what we have right now 60 percent reporting 46 percent for vice president biden 51 percent for president donald trump and what you have to keep in mind here is this is another one of those states for some reason in the midwest they have specific rules when it comes to the way that the early votes are counted in especially mail in ballots so they're actually saying that look we may not know who wins the state of wisconsin until the next morning and don't worry that doesn't mean that they did anything wrong is what the officials are saying more is about the fact this is take this process takes longer but i do want to talk about the in person voting numbers that we are seeing that have already been counted in damed county that's where madison wisconsin is that's a democratic stronghold in the state of wisconsin they've already voted earth

they've already counted 84 percent according to the associated press press milwaukee county another democratic stronghold in the state has already counted 99 percent so if you know it could all come down to early voting and if that's the case it's going to be interesting to see how long that takes for the state of wisconsin to get those numbers out and to share those as well i also want to check in on minnesota if we could check on minnesota another 60 percent reporting 55 percent to vice president biden 42 percent to president trump and that's to be expected you know what once was a purple state in minnesota has really become more and more of a blue state in recent years so we'll see how that ends up in the battleground not ready to make a call there and then i want to go to. arizona because arizona is going to be a play a big big part here and we're not seeing a lot of the in person voting numbers coming in quite yet in big counties like

maricopa county where phoenix is or pima county where tucson is we're not seeing those big numbers yet this is a lot due to early voting and that is why you're seeing that lead from vice president biden at 53 percent to 45 percent for president donald trump again we knew that this was going to happen coming into election day because when it comes to early voting it appeared that democrats were really out in front of that and while republicans seem to be more in favor of in person voting on the day so why you see these types of numbers even with 73 percent reporting you have to keep in mind that a good chunk of that is still not counted yet rick unfaired good stuff appreciate that report. keep us honest let us know if anything changes so we thought by now we would get some new calls new projections but it's looking like there's too many of these states that right now are just too close to call if they are called or if they're projected we're working with the associated press we're going to bring you

that right away and you know rick i got to ask you one question really quick. you know we always had these battleground states and we've always you know it's always you have to kind of wait till the end of the night you've covered many elections in your lifetime certainly what do you see differently this year about these battleground states and how people are literally waiting on the edge of their seat i think the fact that kobe had caused people to vote in mass early has literally thrown a wrench into the system i think the system right now is extremely confused and i think many people in the democratic party were convinced that because the early vote seemed to be democrat that that was enough to justify the fact that biden had big leads in a lot of those states i think when we go back we're going to find out that essentially they got it wrong i also think we have a problem in this country right now and i think it has to do with the fact that most people are frustrated with having only 2 choices and especially in this case 2

men who are well into their seventy's now and i think for a big part of the american population almost anybody under the age of 40 they look at that and say you know i'm not sure when i get to be that age i'm going to be my best to i think right now the fact that there are only 2 people to choose from becomes a problem for a lot of americans and that may be keeping them from voting and you know to piggyback off of that you know there was a new study that found that 6 in 10 americans they actually want to see a 3rd party candidate and it's one of these things where we often wonder why aren't we seeing them often you know why can't they break the barrier why can't they actually push forward well there's a reason behind it and i did a little bit of a deep dive on this one and take a look at my special report on 3rd parties. who am i. why am i hear ya when was eve the 1902 independent party's vice presidential nominee with ross perot where was he the v.p.

presidential debate stage this is a movement that came from the people we've seen 3rd party candidates on the ballot for years i was not put on a ballot by either the 2 parties i was not put on the ballot write a pac money 94 lobbyist money by need special interest money no modern 3rd party presidential candidate has come close to the stage let alone close to winning yet they still campaign as long as we admit that we all have an equal right to run for election we should not engage in this political bigotry yes anyone can run but there are institutional barriers in the u.s. election system that make it impossible for 3rd party candidates to get any attention and to not run an independent campaign against that person yeah ok you. raise your hand now if you don't make that pledge tonight turns out the biggest way to get attention was. the presidential debate

stage and to get on it you have to go through the commission on presidential debates controlled by other republicans and democrats who don't want to see a 3rd party candidate the commission sets the rules and there's only one 3rd party candidates must have at least 15 percent and the national polls to get onstage so what they've told of the 3rd parties is if you want your voice heard if you want to be seen then you already have to have had your voice heard by 15 percent of the people and they have to have liked it enough to already want to vote for you otherwise nobody can see it but they already can't shia political experts say the quote winner take all mentality in u.s. elections forces voters to ditch the weakest party for more viable option. ultimately squeezing out 3rd parties so in other words you're not always voting for the candidate you like or the one that really represents all of your use you're voting against the candidate you don't like so how do we fix it there is

a solution called voting and everybody should know about it and demand that we have it the people in the state of maine just got it it does away with any possibility of a split election spoilers and make sure that we have candidates elected by majorities and it gets rid of negative campaigning it sounds simple on the surface but how does rank choice voting actually work all right so let's say we have 3 candidates howland myself and rick voters head to the polls and rank their candidates based on preference 1st 2nd and 3rd that parts easy it's all the votes actually get counted well then the system gets a little harder to understand so if it gets more than 50 percent of the 1st place votes he wins that's the end of it but let's say he doesn't and instead these are the results where the person in last place sorry holland gets eliminated now anyone who chose rick as their 1st choice will instead have their 2nd choice counted as a full vote that changes the results turns out most of holland's supporters like me

better than rick and now the results look like this so even though i wasn't the majority or the plurality is 1st choice i win however there's only one state that does this maine the good news it doesn't need to get passed by congress rather just at the state level but if you still have no hope for a 3rd party remember this the end of the 2016 presidential election ended up with just 2 candidates but we all remember the debate of 16 on the republican side so when the old cliche excuse of we can't have 3 people on the stage it's too many well it appears that excuse is gone now. and you know rick it's interesting because as we have been comparing to see. if trump has either gained or lost voters in different states and how he did in 2016 you know i have to say you always saw in certain states especially battleground states at least 2 to 3 percent for gary

johnson you know that i think was maybe the last time we kind of you know from the road win though there minimized the right to minimize the 3rd party candidate right under but at least they're on the ballot you know at least on the ballot at least they're making some headway here this year nothing it is just one or the other and it's interesting to see this year you know as somebody who because i work at this network which is a global network and we look often times what we say about other countries and oftentimes we use the term lack of democracy and then. there's really a lot that can be said about the lack of democracy in our own voting system in ways i mean not only is it because of the electoral college most people don't understand why there are wonder why we can't just use a plurality but i think the most important thing and i think this is what comes out in your report is that we have party stalwarts who choose the people that we get to choose from so is it really a democratic choice if the decision is being made for us you get to choose between

one from column a and one from column b. but you're not look at you're not allowed to look at column c. or d. in the end not to be hypercritical but i think that's an important question that we as a nation from time to time probably should ask ourselves and you look at canada for example who has 98000000 people they have 5 parties a country of 320000000 americans only have 2 what are we afraid of exactly afraid of what we have more choice because that's the toughest suite is joining us now she's our stellar correspondent from los angeles to fill us in on how things are looking right now out west she's been looking at a couple of states for us interestingly enough novato is one of the states she's looking at right now i mean we're not even getting i'm looking at nevada and we're getting 00 precincts reporting and very little information on that it's supposed to be a biden state but i guess no news yet but the tosser. yeah this year

is certainly a different kind of election and we see you know texas is leaning red but of course that one too is still too early to call biden claiming california washington state or in new mexico and colorado president trump wins utah wyoming and idaho results are still trickling in for arizona where polls closed more than an hour ago and officials in denver colorado they're tallying ballots boarded up with plywood erected out of fear of demonstrations or violence and we also just heard that there is an unlawful assembly being reported in downtown los angeles near the staples center los angeles police were encouraging businesses today to close early anticipating those potential riots and curfews were enacted in a handful of cities like beverly hills and many voters in texas showing up in person today but in california people clearly taking advantage of mail and voting as there are virtually no lines many looking to arizona's senate race the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords mark kelly is running against senator

martha argerich sally a former air force combat pilot well kelly is a retired astronaut and has been vocal about gun control since his wife was shot back in 2011 colorado's republican senator losing his seat to democratic former governor john hickenlooper and in alaska the incumbent dan sullivan he's fighting for his seat against independent al gross gross call soul of an a pump it a puppet rather for trump and soul then criticizes grose for his views on drilling in the arctic so rick unfair and may not know the results for the alaska race until 1 am eastern time and of course we're still closely in the state of arizona at this hour or 2 to talk this week natasha thank you and you know rick it's going to be very interesting you're calling nothing yet with nevada you've got to remember and look at nevada for what it is it is the hotel tourism industry capital of basically of the united states maybe the world you had grown. virus comment and you had

a lot of those places shut down it's going to be really interesting and watch and see what those hotel union workers are going to do that they want to keep the economy open do they want to stay safe from the interesting to watch we're going to be watching it and one other thing we're watching right now is what's going on outside the white house our own has been monitoring the situation there more and more people are joining the fray sort of speak so far they're maintaining the peace or at least they were last time we checked in ben what's the situation. so we've got a couple more arrests read since the last time we talked it's all happening down kind of the end of black lives matter clause a here so it's not right where we are right now behind me if you look you probably noticed there are a lot fewer people than there were the last time we talked to you the reason for that is probably 5 minutes ago or so there was a lot of hopping going on it sounds like firecrackers being set off down at the end matter of laws and about half of that crowd took their flags and they began walking

down that way right now that we haven't heard any more noise we started following but we need to become back in order. but it doesn't look like it was anything too serious but there is this popping kind of reoccurring popping and starting to go on we have started to see some people for lack of a better term starting to melt down out here a little bit but there was one woman who came by she was in tears and very frustrated saying you know just frustrated with everything that's going on right now so that's kind of what's happening right now more and more who were seen or people who are kind of the situations devolving a little bit but it's not you know violent it's not been tremendously messy people don't seem to be getting aggressive with each other so we're keeping an eye on what's happening out here though as the night goes on no question about it more and more people are. frustrated it's not what they thought it was going to be let's put it that way at this time of night at this point in the evening what is what is transpiring so far is not what they expected yeah there's no reason this. celebrate

although maybe what they're popping off in fireworks was something they were expecting to use later in the night to celebrate and now they're just firing them anyway at least i'll have my fingers crossed but that's what it is right. there. you have been following the situation there for us with a bunch of people around them and let's get over to tyro tyrrell is following the situation on the other side of town there you see the capital the iconic capital shot behind him we should let our viewers know something all of us who work and toil here in our nation's capital have seen in the last 3 or 4 days which is it almost seems like when you come into washington d.c. right now and the closer you get to the white house the more you see that. almost every building has now plywood outside of it anything that was glass is now plywood it's almost like the city is boarding itself up preparing for any eventuality right kyra. oh most definitely as as in the last last week really you saw

a lot of the big chain stores the big corporate conglomerates stores you know they were really quick to put boards up probably coming down from the from headquarters but then you saw them then later you saw a lot of little mom and pop shops and more independent business owners putting boards up today around town and definitely in places that you you wouldn't normally expect like you kind of expected downtown but even when you got out into some of the like outer ring suburbs and things like that you saw a lot of the gas stations c.v.s. is pharmacies places like that putting boards up one of the things that was interesting is i talked to the election official this week who was out you know work in the polls and more and taken people's votes and put in the ballots in and they told me that surprisingly there wasn't a lot there was no incidents whatsoever during the voting process here that they could that they saw or could report on and they also told me that even today as the big day smaller crowds than expected and here tonight in downtown d.c.

again apart from more bends one is out of black lives matter plaza in front of the white house the rest of the city very quiet very dark even the police presence here in freedom plaza as has really disappeared in the last hour or so far not very many squad cars going by with the lights on so things are real quiet on this side of town. great stuff tyrrell as usual thanks so much for your contribution and joining us now is tyrrell's co-host we actually have a nice across she's going to be joining us here. you know a question for you is far as what we're seeing right now looking at the map it looks like there is a possibility that we might not know tonight who this winner is we're still waiting on a number of these states obviously but you know for example we all know usually texas by this hour is already called red we're still waiting on this what say you know you're absolutely correct we can't underscore enough the the mail in absentee ballots those came in and droves and it's going to take

a while to count them and i think that we're not going to see this election finalize or even know anywhere close to a call for some of the most important states in terms of the battleground states until possibly from time to morrow it's going to be again a nail biter but we're definitely in for a long haul i don't think that tonight or even over the next few hours we're going to be able to $100.00 with 100 percent accuracy say that anyone has made their match to that to 70 or out it's going to it's going to be a while i do see that fox news is projecting that donald trump just want to go so i think that's interesting but until life the other nation other stations break it come going to wait wait and see what happens but yeah we're seeing that from them right now looking at ohio right now as a matter of fact as soon as you said that i'm looking at the map the problem with that projection and i'm not i'm not quibbling with fox news dare i say that they usually do a very good job in the prognostications but cleveland to lido columbus

cincinnati parts of those 'd have not come in yet so those are usually pretty blue so there's still a possibility that those could come in just to underscore the fact that we are not yet ready to call ohio and the so seated press who we usually partner up with has not called ohio yet either it is it does something that will. at this point we're still waiting on both florida georgia north carolina and the fact of the matter is we know that places like pennsylvania have been saying look folks we're not going to be ready to make our announcement on this night because we just have too many votes because of the way the system is it's going to take too long for them to be able to make this call so it really is starting to look at this point anyway like we may not have a. decision or a projection about who our next president's going to be no you're absolutely correct rick and i think that going into this looking at the sheer amount of mail

in ballots that were cast this shouldn't actually be a surprising scenario i would actually be frustrated if people were trying to call it tonight meanwhile knowing that there are millions about ballots across the country that were still yet to have been counted i think that for now it is you know making sure that every single vote is counted we know how important that is and waiting to make those problems cations and so we actually see those things come through because the issue with calling it early is that you could be entirely wrong 345 even 6 hours from now so i definitely think that we just need to hold our worth is wait and see what happens but let me say what the issue is with calling it late it becomes a matter for lawyers scardino hughes joining us now along with holland as well to continue this conversation i mean if this thing drags on for a couple days we're going to have some of the highest paid lawyers in the united states of america essentially working for the democrats and then the other highest paid lawyers in the nation who were chosen to picked by the democrats are going to

be working for the republicans and this thing is going to end up well as some might say in ugly ville going to have sorry to burst your bubble right but i think you were reporting i saw this lawyer says teams of lawyers have been in place for a while already in those states looking at it so this is no shock no surprise and the good news is they were prepared for the situation but it does make it prolong. but let's just hope it's not as much of a media circus as what we saw during the hanging chads movement where they're holding him up to the like to see whether or not who is voting for let's hope that we're a little bit more advanced than we did during the last go round and it's a little bit more efficient you know it seems to me all and i mean if you're still a part of the conversation which i think you are that the idea that we would be looking at another 2000 election the idea of those thing goes to the wire it ends up with lawyers fighting back and forth just not a pretty picture show of hands who among us here on the panel thought it was going to be over tonight. there was. a i thought there was

a loss of billy there and then i have very good chance that it was then we're going to hear it says here one of the producers asked if i was available tomorrow night. well i guess that. i had a rare and extremely unscientific poll on twitter was often asked in my fastball oh am. which do you expect to hear the president call for tonight stop counting or keep counting yeah and assata counting 164 to 36 percent now you know darn well he's over there get ready for a fake balloon drop and he's going to try and gaslight all of the trumpeters into thinking the party's over but i predict they'll be on t.v. with you know morrow night. and we're going to be on t.v. tomorrow night anyways with them because at this point what regardless we are going to see an autopsy start the 2nd we have a winner we're going to have

a loser in both parties are going to be talking about why their team watched and what doing so we're going to be on anyway you know it's interesting to see. states which i'm looking at right now that you would think would already have been called trump has led georgia from beginning to end he leads it now by 8 points 76 percent of the precincts a reporter. and so can i as it rains like now just just a fit to put a final point on this it seems now like some of the reporting agencies are getting shy about making calls so here's my question for this hour as we know this interviewer also have to go because either side it's what we've been reporting on all night we've got some issues in the streets right now and obviously the closer we get to a winner you're going to have a reaction from the opposing posing side in this case if they were going to call georgia florida north carolina texas you know things that were pretty much are probably going to go that way anyways it's going to put even more in that number and all that does is ratchet up the heat out in the streets and the longer that we have that wretched he without

a solution i think we cause more trouble and turmoil and nobody wants to see any city in america barring the news is the news no i mean if the calls have to be made of the projections are and then the projections are in i mean you know you can't a mission mentioned call that fox news made which we have not yet right now and you have called i like her but between our panels i've been channel surfing around out there and fox news has been the most aggressive all night of any of them and it's what we talked about before there are now more news channels the news stories and there's a quest to get it 1st sometimes at the expense of getting it right and let me show we were talking a little bit a while ago a little while ago i should say about african-americans and the sense in the african-american community that they have certainly been slighted as well they have there's no question about that for many years now. there was

a. there was word on the street that the african american vote would coalesce around joe biden especially when we started to see president barack obama holding these rallies in places like florida and pennsylvania if it comes up a little bit short for the blue team do you think it was biden's candidacy that maybe wasn't able to push the african-american vote to where perhaps it was for barack obama. well to reframe this a little bit i think that the african-american vote is going to come out in large number we know that around the we know that around the early voting totals we know that most of the new voter drive was basically from african-americans and solved and that historically speaking barack obama reached epic levels regardless of what demographic group that you cut around any time you have the 1st black somebody to do something you're going to see more black and he was the album around that so i think that it's quite unfair to compare barack obama to joe biden that sense but there are so many people specifically in the african-american community that want

to see that continued obama biden legacy and i think that having barack obama on the campaign trail actually helped to solidify that to a certain extent but i would also say secondarily in kaamelott harris being an excellent b.p. choice because not only do black people see themselves in her she's a member of the by 9 african-american sorority and fraternity groups she is a h.b.c. you graduate the 1st one for a major party ticket there's a lot that goes through this ticket that makes sense for the african-american community and is a little that live in by the heritage of people who look like me so i think that we're definitely going to see those numbers across the country in terms of the representation i'm not worried about the african-american vote going for you know going where it needs to be in the democratic base i'm more worried about and i think that the democratic party that necessarily take into account as much as they should the latin x. both african-americans i know where that's going to go every year it was a lot x. vote that was a little bit of an outlier for democrats and i thought they could have probably done better in their robust campaigning for that vote i can tell you

a little bit about that but i'll reserve it is there are other top michelle your thanks so much for joining us with that perspective does we're going to come back in just a little bit we're going to continue this conversation you're watching our 2020 alerts from our coverage we expect that when we come back you'll be there waiting for us to make some calls. liz. something for you on your sports h.q. . on the larry king question being listening learning you know i've always said i never learned anything when i was talking it's

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question. can the corporate parasites in power today might think their troll will continue forever whether they're right or wrong we have to keep fighting question. watching our special coverage of the 2020 us elections coasted by rick sanchez featuring scott you know you all and cook your senators jesse ventura and larry king only one or 2 you'll stay tuned. just as we thought figures could not get more interesting they are continuing to get interesting and when we say interesting it's not because anything dramatic has happened in fact it's kind of the lack of drama at this point where we're almost at a standstill we have reached a stalemate proportions on this night as you look at that big map that we've been showing you throughout the night we can tell you that there just hasn't been

a lot of movement on this thing i don't think that we've made a call in the last 45 minutes or so and usually about this time is when you start making repeated calls so yeah there's something rotten in denmark at this point as far as what we were thinking could happen whether it was going to be a call for trump or a call for biden right now it looks like it's going to be a call for no one you know and it's one of those things where like you said for 45 minutes we've just kind of been sitting here but one guy that hasn't been sitting there he's been watching the numbers over and over and over again we have boom bust host brunch abor who is going to bring us some of those latest numbers if he's got any bright and well the numbers are still coming in and just said no calls as of yet and to your point i think it was roughly 45 minutes ago when we called the utah which if you follow american politics was not a highly contentious. state in this presidential election in fact if you look at this map no battleground has been called as of yet so those big races that we've

been looking at and we've been looking at for months the candidates have spent you know so many trips to these states and we're not seeing any results as of yet but i did want to go through the numbers that we do have in some of these battlegrounds let's start with florida which it appears it may be getting away from vice president biden at this point. 98 percent reporting 51 percent for donald trump 47 percent for joe biden of course as is the case of florida we could see these counts go into the night into tomorrow and if there's any chance for the vice president you would imagine election officials are going to make sure that all the votes are counted because that's why so many people have voted in fact we've seen record turnout. records for 4 recent years in these elections. this year so it's something to keep in mind about how many votes we're seeing not just the interesting way that they're coming in it as far as when it comes to mail and

voting is an early early voting but also just the sheer number that we're seeing let's check into north carolina which was seen as a battleground but again. the numbers are close 93 percent reporting 49 percent for president trump 48 percent for vice president biden at this time let's check in with pennsylvania next we're going to go to pennsylvania and see where things are so again remember they don't count the early vote especially the mail in vote they could not start opening them until this morning the morning of election day and actually at this point now we're past midnight eastern time that was yesterday morning they couldn't start opening 52 percent reporting 56 percent right now for president trump and 41 percent for joe biden although as we've talked about many times those states that count the in person voting 1st those are likely going to show a little bit of republican right away those who counted their early votes diverse

and shows going more towards joe biden our next state we're going to ohio ohio was not necessarily it became more in play in the last couple of weeks but it had been generally seen as favoring president trump well with 94 percent reporting we're seeing 53 percent to president trump 45 percent to. vice president biden going to michigan and this is going to be a big deal here because. it appears that if vice president biden is to win the white house he's going to need at least wisconsin michigan arizona and pennsylvania so here's what we see what we moved already to wisconsin that's 560 percent reporting in wisconsin we have 51 percent for president trump and 46 percent for vice president biden at this time and then finally i want to check in with arizona which is our last battleground state again the democrats have this in

play heavily 74 percent reporting 53 percent for vice president biden 45 percent for donald trump and just a reminder again that's one of those states that counts the early votes right away and that's why you're seeing that large margin right now for vice president biden but when we get to the early vote when we see that in person voting for the day rather that's when we're really going to have to keep an eye on how that margin tightens up and how close it ends up getting record fared here is the interesting story and i mean you know we have been hearing for the better part of the last 2 months that the path for president trump would be a very difficult one but let's put up the map right now and show you exactly what that path might still be so the conventional wisdom is that mr trump had to win florida and georgia and north carolina i don't know if you're able to see those there i don't think you are but you're looking at them anyway over there that he

had to go on to win pennsylvania and ohio and arizona well interestingly enough at this point the trend seems to be showing that the president can very well accomplish that goal if present trends continue so just to let you know. that what was once. not plausible is now becoming quite possible and that's where the story is right now and we also have a story too coming out just outside of the white house we're going to send it over to our ben swan who is sitting up there for us who's been monitoring the situation and you were talking last last half hour about hearing pops possibly fireworks what's going on out there now. apparently that is exactly what it was fair and it was fireworks but it was not quite what we thought it was multiple reports to us tell us that it was a group of empty for about a block away from here who came through the area and they started setting off those

fireworks and they actually started threatening the journalists on the other side who were set up over there telling them to get out of the area that they shouldn't be there and threatening their safety and they were the ones who were setting up the fireworks now they didn't stay very long kind of rolled through didn't even really stop for a long movie but shut off the fireworks i guess is intimidation and then move on from there so they have left the area at least for now as for what i mentioned to you that there was a group behind us who kind of moved that group has not come back so i don't know if they joined up with those folks who are walking through but they have not come back so we've lost about a half the crowd that was behind us out here and maybe part of it is exactly what rick was just just talking about this idea that they were supposed to be a very difficult for the president tonight it doesn't look like as i did the cold it seems to be maybe folks decided that they're not going to stick around anymore what was going on back here and they're moving on to do other things throughout the evening tonight but that's at least an update as to what was happening here those

fireworks that went off about 10 minutes ago were in fact set off and you know band it's one of these things we were just mentioning rick was just saying we've been kind of sitting stagnant here for about 45 minutes now not making any calls you have states like texas that would totally be called by now are you seeing as the night is going on and nothing is happening that tension is. what are you saying. well we felt the tension building but as i said that a lot of the folks who remember i said to you guys a couple hits ago that the mood had changed it was a different kind of atmosphere out here in that things were starting to look very very different see there is a tension starting to build up certainly. as we watch that happening right one of the things that we have to keep an eye on is that there are people who are 'd getting bored they're tired of waiting and they weren't expecting that it was going to take that long to begin with in the 1st place right they thought this was supposed to be a quick night as opposed to be over with quickly it's not working out that way the night is dragging on and even as it drags on it doesn't seem to be dragging on in

the favor of anyone who was voting against a ruling against the president tonight so i do think that's part of it but there is a frustration and as i said the folks who are behind us the ones who seem to be the agitators the most in terms of agitators they've left they're not here anymore so really what's left here is very much smaller group maybe half the number of people that we saw before these are the people who are pretty they're pretty relaxed and pretty chill it's not like the group that was here carrying around the gas masks and looking like they were looking for trouble and we thank you for being out there on the front lines for us we'll keep in touch with you stay safe let us know if you need anything thanks. for joining us once again to talk about the situation as it stands right now it is interesting to take a look at where we are at this point if you play the expectations game then the president of the united states is winning. well i think that president trump's path seems to be a little bit more broad than what was originally diagnosed by several people and

that is it turned out to be a game day decision is what it appears to be a feel thing that there is there is a lot left in this night several states that still need to be call particularly those that have been key battlegrounds from start and we're not going to know those for hours possibly a couple days so i still think that you know there are several places that are in play but for the for president trump the trump campaign i could imagine them feeling a little bit more cozy right now than they probably did a few hours ago do you think the president at this point is thinking that all the criticism he got toward the end for some of his times lambasted statements that he was making at some of his rallies which we said oh my gosh it doesn't seem like he's being kind it seems like he's perhaps being too loud yet it resonated enough with the people who are his fans to make them want to go to the polls perhaps more than the kind nice quiet grandpa figure.

well that tells me something more about the character of america when you can get by by being brash being nasty by not being willing to take to take responsibility for your failures and leadership if that's something that america thrives on at best something that people at his rallies thrive on more and more power to them i pray for their souls but i do think that there is something to be said about this bullish nature that president trump has that he's always had he didn't just have it when he walked into the white house there is a concerted group of his base that is actually you know thrilled by those things but more than that i think that there is a population that buys into the rhetoric a population that believes that the more diverse this country becomes the harder it's going to be for them to maintain the status quo a population that is ok with child separations a population that is ok with pushing against racial progress there is a population of america that is absolutely all right with a lot of the social ills that have occurred across this country and that quite frankly it's disturbing yeah it almost comes down to tell me who you hate follow

you more and i think. in deference to donald trump that's kind of the way both sides are playing though right i mean are we more interested in what we don't like than what we do. well i think that this is just a more macchiavelli and type of thing where you see a president where his fear me or love me and i think that he chose in his cave that he wanted to be adored by people but he also wanted to showcase that those people who are from the blue states are the things that did not vote for him but he could still have a process of trying to steamroll quite frankly if disappointing but we're watching it day in and day out and i think that this whole reliance on suburban women which keno mean suburban white women has shown itself to be a path that pollsters were just highly incorrect about. let me see across thanks so much for bringing us that and i think we've got another i think finally we've been

waiting it seems for more than an hour now but i think we finally have another call and i think you know brant i'm not going to lie i think we all would love to be on this tiny little island across the pacific ha at this point we certainly would call y. e has officially been projected for vice president biden 4 electoral votes will go to vice president and just a reminder for those i don't know it's on the screen all day if you follow us election you know remember we're trying to get to 270 that's where we're trying to get and without all of this starting to fill in well we're not going to see that possibly tonight so we're going to keep an eye on that record fair and let me show you how president trump gets to 270 give me the big map i want our viewers to see what the president's path is right now which seemed some point to be something that we can pick up. here it is our there's the big map i'm going to show you what the president needs to get he needs to get florida he needs to get georgia he needs to

get north carolina he needs to get pennsylvania ohio and arizona if the president gets those states he has 272 electoral votes and he is now the next president of the united states or should i say remains the president of the. knight it states that path that at one point seemed very very difficult to achieve is now looking like something he can achieve because at this point he seems to be up there he's up there he's up there and he's up there as well by the way ohio he's up the only place where the president still looks like he's got some work to do is in arizona that is how the situation stands right now christiane is standing by for us and she's going to fill us in on i guess christie your expertise that the world of business i don't think i've spock i have spoken to one person that i know who's either a money manager or c.e.o. or someone in the business community who is not pulling for donald trump so

a good night for donald trump is usually a good night for big business isn't it. absolutely like this was supposed to be a blue wave and then if not a blue wave and it was supposed to have been a landslide victory for biden over trump but now i'm of markets are not so sure and you can see the market already pricing it in as we go on because you see those massive shorts crees unleashed in the nasdaq which resulted in explosion of the nasdaq up to about 3.9 percent so futures are nasdaq jumped as simpy index jumped another 1.6 percent and now these gains are coming in as investors hoped that hope that a delayed or contested election is going to be avoided so this recent uptick it's a little bit of a relief they're feeling that they're looking forward to having this huge overhang finally lifted and removed but aside from that yes all of businesses all of the corporates they are hopeful that trump is going to make all of these tax cuts permanently going forward make and you see this massive rotation happening in the

market right now because just a couple weeks ago we were expecting those blue wave but now the sentiment is gradually changing and the market is this great betting prediction arena so where now instead of seeing a massive risk. trade you're seeing a massive read deflationary trade which is good for treasuries growth and tech names so it's interesting because on the one hand wall street was thinking well it won't be so bad with biden because you know we can pretty much control him as they kind of did with the obama administration i mean that's just the way things really went. and at the same time if we get biden in there we're probably going to get more stimulus and that's going to stimulate the economy so it'll probably be better for all of us on the other hand if trump comes in we're going to be able to keep the tax base low and then we're all going to make a lot of money i think what i'm getting to here kristie and i think you're probably following my drift is they will no matter who's in office. they do when no matter

who's in office and previously when they were rooting for biden it was mainly a shift in sentiment being like oh we have to accept biden if he's going to become president now we're going to have to accept these massive tax hike but then you're absolutely right the benefit to that was that biden would have introduced a massive fiscal stimulus policy in which case he would have printed massive amounts of dollars which would have mainly benefited the one percent so that would have been the case if the democrats win yes we would have seen a massive drop initially in the market as they get hit over the head and you have about a.p.'s loss of about 20 percent in the s. and p. that was already expected and that is why we are already seeing the drop last week however that would have been a short term thing because a massive fiscal stimulus would have rallied up the market again because as we like to say never fight the fed never fight the government and never fight the largest possible policy which basically just prints this unlimited amount of stimulus into the market so that stimulus as predicted by goldman sachs that would have lasted present by that until 2023 which case then we would have run out of stimulus we

would need additional helicopter money to last us to 2024 but at that point that becomes someone else's problem for having about $4040000000000.00 excuse me in debt oh that helicopter money kristie stay there we may be coming back to you in just a little bit but i think after that conversation it behooves us to bring in the lead can lead. yeah should i say wall street apologies. i don't know where we should go with this but no but you know i mean you said it no matter who goes in there wall street when the end of the day it's not neither candidate would change wall street that much i mean biden we know what it's been like going to trump and biden he's been funded most of his career by credit companies and big banks and stuff so he's not really that worried about either of them i mean trouble going to be great for wall street but it's going to be great for rules for obama was great for wall street yeah i mean you know we're noticing a theme is always. well doug well what xander it is something at this point where

'd we as americans are you know sitting here on pins and needles those on the left those on the right wondering whether their team is going to win it is interesting to note that the guys who sit in those big banks they really don't care whether one wins in the us stock buybacks let the good times roll let me tell you who's on pins and needles it's folks in the heartland who have a stack of bills on the kitchen once not getting any shorter and they're not getting any stimulus money and then the tax breaks aren't really what they were probably weren't for them anyway and do we fret about inflation a focal sam is run on that printing press day and night well a little inflation is good but those stimulus dollars don't go to mutual funds they bounce a lender 12 times on main street usa how much can indeed a set of tires that's where that. at one point don't we have to pay the piper i mean how much can you borrow i mean if you add up what obama and bush and trump

have now essentially borrowed there i mean i don't know i my household's not like that you don't know what seeds economy what happens christine let me bring you back into this conversation with i think is an interesting point we what are we up to now something like 2120 trillion or something like that i've lost count but if we continue to borrow and borrow and borrow and the debt and the deficit continues to increase are we essentially handing china and to a certain extent russia and other countries an opportunity to dollar rise the world economy. absolutely because at a certain point the dollar literally becomes useless and especially when you add on top of that the coronavirus pandemic that is going to wreck havoc on the u.s. economy because even with all this to missed you don't really expect the u.s. economy the actual real g.d.p. to grow right now especially when you're still looking at this massive amount of unemployment this massive amount of like people still working from home where is the growth where as consumers spent the entire economy has been relying on consumer

spending for the last 4 years of trials presidency and now with the consumer segment this batter with very little income very little savings a savings have been depleted over the last 6 months this high unemployment and now going to 4 q we're looking at the worst retail consumer sumption season on record there is nothing to boost u.s. g.d.p. so if we keep on printing and of g.d.p. growth is unable to keep up with that then the u.s. dollar will become worthless at that point by the way we've got another call and it's the one that we were expecting and sorry to tell you all about fox news which roy it's not good like ohio is going to be cold and. 'd i won't steal the thunder from you go if you're going to unfortunately it was called by the associated press about 1015 seconds ago so you have stolen all the thunder because that's all the information i have. however i wish you could see our bappa city of quite updated yet i will point out that also within about the last 10 minutes or so while you get

that excellent insight from christiane minnesota and its 10 electoral votes were allocated to vice president biden he's at 223 and then president trump will be at 136 i can tell you i'm reading what i'm looking at associated press right now donald trump 53 percent of the vote in ohio joe biden comes in with 45 percent of the vote i'm not the greatest mathematician in the world but it looks to me like he wins by as we would say in the arithmetic points. and i think we also need to point out the a.p. and bret i'm going to give you a lot of lot of credit for this you're being very very diligent you're being very cautious you're making sure you're crossing your. checking your eyes the a.p. that map right there if you check on any of the anybody else they've already speckled and put their colors on stage at the a.p. and you and bret your fact checkers are making sure before you call a state it is done so when bret says these embers people might be looking at all but the states are going to know it has it's not 100 percent fact i want to give you a lot of credit for that and scott i mean that's that's something we tried to do here at r.c. america in the 1st place is we want to make sure that all this information is

correct that's why we work as rick has been saying all all night with the associated press we make sure that they are projecting that obviously they could make a mistake if they were to happen we would have to adjust our map as well but we haven't had to do that you have seen some of the other networks pull them off as they go so we're kind of keeping an eye on that as well so really we're starting to fill out as rick has mentioned over and over again surprisingly texas is still on allocated at this time and whether it goes red or blue that is something to be said about the fact that we are past midnight and texas is 38 electoral votes have not gone to president donald trump as we have seen in so many elections in the past i want to update the numbers because i try to do the math on the fly there and i may have gotten it wrong here in 223 to vice president biden donald trump 145 currently as far as electoral votes but he right now is president trump is

definitely banking on those 38 from texas the 29 from florida and then going up that narrow strait that we talked about that seems to be getting a little wider rick we're just now being told and i just want to get a confirmation joe. i'm hearing you say that we might be hearing from vice president biden shortly that vice president biden is going to make a statement is that right. this is delaware you're looking at the video there it doesn't look like a thrilled audience at least not to me it does not look solid retore out there still gunshot from 2016 i'm going to get some credit on this and i know when it wants to end up on one of those rails whether be bred calling the mob or these guys at a party nobody wants to end up in that one of those but just but just to get about you that might not be known for days but just to get back to the news here the fact of the matter is it sounds like joe biden is going to make a statement here he's having one of those car rallies from what i'm able to tell there the lectern is not occupied at this point and at the white house right now

it's interesting that they point that he would want to make a statement without any real news unless the statement is to say that this thing is not going to end tonight and everybody can go to bed because at some point tomorrow we're going to pick this up right if you look at a couple of the cliffhangers it's half the vote what does michigan about 52 percent there's still a lot of votes yes you know there's a lot of there's a lot of states and still have a good scotty just gave me a flashback i syrian diplomats lee was attending a conference in the javits center the day after the 2016 election so they were disassembling every hillary party as we all walked in god smacked right. brain is it 64 percent michigan's at 56 percent wisconsin's at 78 percent there is known as at 75 percent so we've still got a ways to go here strangely enough apparently everybody went to sleep turned out to

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a brand new call you want to bring us up to date on the iowa was the latest call that we're seeing at 6 electoral votes and it was called for president donald trump he is now at a total of 145-2223 so we're really seeing it kind of fell out really like we talked about here i just want to remind everybody arizona was a battleground florida battleground georgia was seen as a battleground north carolina a battleground pennsylvania michigan wisconsin those were all seen and we're not seeing any of them failing ohio was on that teetering line of a battleground because it was in many cases it was seen as a red state in this election so while it would have been a surprise had it gone blue it appears that it kind of fell in line where with where we thought it was going to be so all these gray lines are all these great states that we're looking at with the exception of maine and nevada and montana are really kind of up in the air at this point yeah it could be anybody's ball game at

this point we really don't know the real news is most people think it would not be anybody's game at this point they thought if anything we would start to see some leaning or some tendencies in the blue direction and step it seems to be going more of a lean toward the red direction i mean we're going to bring you back in here just to get your reaction to the news that perhaps the president by. it's going to make some kind of statement here at some point i know at this point this is conjecture but if you could put your analyst hat on for us and try and figure out what the thinking may be for team blue here analysts had it on rick and i'm glad you asked that i think that moving forward what joe biden is going to do is try to quell some of the fears democrats who are you know basically some who are in heart attack mode right now trying to figure out what's going to happen with some of these state i think he's going to tell them sit back hold your horses this is going to take a few more hours could possibly take a few more days relax i think that he's going to try to calm them down and let them

know that this is not the end of the road and that these votes are coming in very slowly and that you know this is a tighter race than some people thought it was going to be but i think this is him trying to calm the nerves of some unsteady democrats right now that's fair analysis good stuff mischa to hang out of you what it means you're going to be coming back to you but the hall and i see you waving your hand i know it's got to you got something to say about those 2 but i'm joe biden jog up onto that stage and i have one project the real time electoral vote count and say so far so good let's all go home and get a good night's sleep no one has a happy face on it one of the no one hours past his bedtime one of the new york times reporters online made a note of a cliffhanger wisconsin is that in some of the jurisdictions they will not announce an absentee vote total until they have counted all the absentee votes so there's

a lot of corks and one of the strengths of our system and why it really hasn't been hacked the way it is is because paper rocks yeah you know we've got 51 different ways to count votes in the usa and nobody can just bang into the motherboard and change the numbers on a study you have a historical reference on by then making a decision to make the. but i think is interesting and salient absolutely both campaigns right now i think are being haunted by the ghost of 2016 and we're going to look at the biden campaign one of the greatest mistakes i think hillary clinton did that night as she never came out and addressed her audience she actually set out her campaign director which was a big red flag and everybody then speculated what her mental health was like that point biden's not going to make that mistake he's going to come out and be optimistic full of energy on the reverse you do have don't trump he has set up over the eastern they're serving french fries and presidential cups and it's a complete opposite i kid you know french fries and rather than just being passionate sounds pretty good right. there he set out to do

a very private it looks like it's a lot of the former staffers people there that a bit of part of the administration he's going to give a speech as well i don't see teleprompters actually going to be in this either so his is going to be very impromptu speech i think which will be very interesting to see what message he's going to try to send his supporters to hold on i don't think either one will declare victory completely tonight so that would be pretty brazen if they did know right i think at this point it's about everybody and you know we have to make note it's 12 34 in the morning right now folks it's november 4th we have officially become an election morning show at this point but it's one of those things where at this at this point we also have to go send it over to the press host steve malzberg who is now joining in with us steve what are your what do you make of all of this right now. hungry for the frontrunner. you and me both. aside from that well you know there was a controversy and i have to be honest i don't know if you guys addressed it or not if you did stop me but fox news declared that arizona would when to joe biden

and after they made that declaration fox news acknowledged that they caught a lot of heat from the trunk camp who objected strenuously to that call but not only did not only did the did the trump camp object subsequently the governor of arizona and others. from the republican establishment in that state said we haven't counted a lot of what are good to be read votes we haven't counted votes from some of the places that trump campaign what are you doing so they withdrew their their check mark. from arizona tonight and that's hardly now it's now it's back in play one thing that also bothers me philadelphia and some other counties stopped counting there they write in votes early like it was 1030 or 11 o'clock we're done for the night will resume tomorrow morning i don't think that's the way to do

it i think that that just raises the questions of possibility of what what donald trump and others had feared would happen from philadelphia they'll see how many votes they need in a somehow they're going to come up with them so you want if you just finished counting the vote steve we got a call and this is not going to surprise you or anybody else here because we have been saying all night long it looks like florida and georgia were going to be going in this direction here we have now to confirm what we thought would be inevitable take away brown and florida has officially the associated press is projecting president donald trump will win florida and its 29 electoral votes at or and our map should update shortly but it will be 174 for president trump at this point to 223 for a vice president biden we're still waiting on georgia north carolina but based on what we've seen they could follow suit still before the end of the evening and getting that kind of red southeastern core door for the president and then it's

really going to leave it up to that blue wall in midway in the midwest that you know really president trump took advantage of in 2016 to defeat hillary clinton so that could be where we are by the end of the night if arizona goes as steve just mentioned where fox news is projecting we're not ready to project that yet. until the associate press gives us that project that we will keep arizona in the gray right now but that's what we're looking at right now rick and fair and so just to take a good look at it now if you could joe let's put the big map up one more time and i think i don't we don't there you go i was going to say what i'm going to florida thank you very much. so we're we're waiting on georgia we're waiting on north carolina we're waiting on pennsylvania we're waiting on michigan we're waiting on wisconsin texas interestingly enough novato i would have thought would have come in

by now i don't understand still what's going on in nevada and arizona seems to be the fox news dispute do we give it to trump or do we take it away from top i guess fox news has decided that those who give it can take it away whatever dream do you know that it's not a bad fall into fox news wow i never would have imagined i could have to leave bringing you into this conversation now as things are shaking out what do you think and well i'm thinking we would know a lot more right now we would have a lot more analysis going on if they gave us the freaking general exit polls but they stopped doing that you know they'll say this many women voted or people thought health care was a rodent but they won't tell you the general exit polls because guess what they kept being off and they kept being off because people are purged or there's machine stuff going on but in a lot of countries exit polls are done very well and people look to them to see if there was fraud and if there are over 2 percent off from the actual vote then there was some kind of fraud and you know you look at what just happened in bolivia even before the count came in they had the exit polls and they looked at them and they

said guess what we won we got rid of the u.s. backed coup and they knew that from the exit polls and you could do that you could do it but we don't do it here in this well known nobody ever said our system was perfect. you know you know it's interesting about texas and i got to say this when i was down there for the 2008 election when i covered but to work and ted cruz i want to say that i'm not surprised that texas now. is they're still waiting but when you look back at that race went back to our work and ted cruz ted cruz only won by a good 2 percentage point knows how to use this kind of the most hated guy in the senate you know he's not even on the republican side let's say so i will say i'm not shocked that i'm not seeing anything from texas but still again it is also shocking at the same time to also mention the big state that i thought somehow there's a lot of rural areas in texas where we think of metropolit dallas i was just there 2 weeks ago there's still a lot of places out there that a lot of them are rural farms and small little towns trying to get their votes and they want to make sure they're accurate before they make the call have everybody

given their vote we've just gotten some news that the vice president's motorcade his vehicle has arrived i think i don't know if we got a shot of that but the parent lee he's still there it's starting to look like he's going to be coming out any moment now we are seeing just the people and their supporters and their cars and one of these car rallies that he. former president obama have had we're told that he's still in his vehicle and will probably will soon be making his way to the podium my god this is starting to feel a lawful lot like al gore back in 2000 isn't it and i was there i was there national in al gore that was a very hard as we were there with all the kids are right next to the legislative plaza you know there's a very embarrassing night i think was right about this time here on saturday i am out and then he said he was going to. you know concede and then he decided wait no i'm not going to concede a lot like what's going on right now with arizona. as you see

a situation like this where there is confusion this did not this does not bode well for our democracy which does not bode well for a sense of certitude in our country as far as all the people that lead have been lead has been talking about to us who feel disenfranchised and now they're watching this and they're wondering. if things can probably get any worse well you know i think a lot of people knew it would be like this new that you wouldn't know with that many mail in votes that many you know absentee votes knew that it would take a while to count and less it was a landslide on one side or the other it was going to take a day or 2 and i kept saying in the lead up to this that you know everybody the media needed to be talking about how this wasn't going to be decided tonight and it really part of it is expectation we've created this expectation that you announce the president the night of but it's just you know you can't do it and rick you know it's interesting you know now i think we've been stagnant now for

a good hour and 15 minutes or so the why or why. by the way we go we get let's go to biden he's about to speak there's dr jill biden and the former vice president biden let's take a listen. here to. your patience is commendable we knew this is going to go wrong but who knew we were going to go into maybe tomorrow morning maybe even longer but look we feel good about where we are. we're really sure. i'm here to tell you tonight we believe we're on track to win this election. i. knew because of the on pressure down early vote in the mail in vote is going to take a while we're going to have to be patient until we the hard work of talent votes is finished and they know virtually every vote is counted every ballot is counted.

yeah yeah. but we're feeling good we're feeling good about where we are. we believe one of the natchez suggests that we've already had one arizona but we're confident about arizona that's a turnaround we also just. called it from minnesota and we're still in the game in georgia although that's not what we expected. we're fairly really good about wisconsin and michigan was and by the way. it's going to take time to counter those we're going to win pennsylvania law was tough to function fairly allegheny county scranton and there really encouraged by the turnout and what they see look you know we could know the results as early as tomorrow morning but it may take

a little longer as i've said all along it's not my place or donald trump's place to declare who's won this election that's the decision of the american people but i'm optimistic about this outcome. thank ery one of you came out and voted in this election by the way chris coons and democrats congratulations are in delaware was a giant get the guy out of the yeah i hold team and you've done a great job i'm grateful for the poll workers to our volunteers our canvassers everyone to participate in this democratic process and i'm grateful to all my supporters here in dollar and all across the nation thank you thank you thank you and folks you heard me say before every time i walk out of my grandpa's house up in scranton you know joey keep the faith here and my grandma most years i have you all

know joe we spread it keep the faith guys we're going to win this thank you thank you thank you for who face is great. walking vice president joe biden essentially trying to set a new course very different from what his predecessors have done remember for those of you who are old. enough to remember in the year 2000 al gore made the critical mistake of a sensually allowing the republican in that case george w. bush to take the advantage he ceded the advantage when between fox news jeb bush and george bush they essentially declared that george bush was the winner whether he was or wasn't at that point the other guy who was gore was trying to make a comeback so the argument was always going to be you're a sore loser so by establishing himself and saying he's winning even though we have no reason to believe that anything he just said is true or based in fact because it

isn't we don't know whether he's really winning but by saying to the people in the audience we're winning it's just a matter of time before they call it he's essentially trying to get the upper hand in what is now going to become a national conversation that could last maybe for a day or 2 maybe for a week or 2 and he got on there 1st and he got out there 1st. and he also got is that we are a huge or at least underneath a good mood i don't think you know i think the last word spoken i think from south heard what he said and if he's smart when it comes to see he's going to come out there and he's going to go an even better a more optimistic and more empowered speech on and waiting on texas to be clairvoyant to what's interesting is that you know if president matters the precedent that's been set by democrats in the past is they were always weak late to the party and as a result they usually got. manhandled by republican operatives or just a really good at this kind of stuff republicans don't want to win this kind of thing too little it's kind of interesting that he's playing before you go home and

i want to bring in a me show and steve. to get their reactions to what we just saw a michelle i'll start with you you were the last to comment on what you expected vice president biden to do it almost sounds like he read the script that you wrote . i mean he is that joe biden is a statement. and i have worked in communications for the d.n.c. so i kind of know how these things go but i think that for joe biden tonight again it was reinvigorating the base letting them know hold on we still have a path it's going to take a few hours possibly a few more days but do not over react do not dress and i think that he was setting expectations they are being mindful of way you know was spoken on by your panel a few moments ago that i think that to a certain extent media organizations pushed this idea that for whatever reason the thing was going to be called tonight will be quite frankly wolf and i don't think it was ever oppose to be called tonight but it helps media organizations to get

people on board to watch so i think that what we're seeing right now from joe biden is optimism but we're also seeing the acknowledgement that a lot of these votes are going to be cast within the next few hours are going to be counted within the next few hours anyway so he is setting expectations and you know it's interesting let's bring in steve malzberg here really quick you know it's $1248.00 the stock market's going to be opening here in about a good 3 hours you know steve what you know as far as where we're at right now and you know trump is a real big stock market guy we're going in the balance right now we don't know what happens tomorrow. well on the stock market i know the futures were up earlier in the night so i don't know exactly where they are right now but look i think a lot of people either expected joe biden to blow trump out of the water because he's hit larry's evil the dictator he's every name in the book women hated him they were going to vote for him and he had there's no way he should be in this position right now or they decided that or figured that it's going to go to the courts

eventually and i think that's where we're going to be headed i think one sees ballots counted in one way or another especially in pennsylvania that law that the supreme court of the court decision that the supreme court let's stand they reserve the right to review it again and they will review it again because the stay in the constitution the state legislature decides the rules on federal elections and what that lower court decided was that the state supreme court could decide that you could postmark a boat 3 days after the election and it could be counted that's not going to stand when it eventually goes to the supreme court and i think pennsylvania will be the difference eventually in this election so we have a long way to go but what do you guys make of the argument that the vice president made about the fact that a lot of the votes in pennsylvania his home state by the way he said he mentioned scranton he mentioned other parts of philadelphia he thinks that there's going to be enough there to carry him over the top and true to form if he wins pennsylvania and he wins arizona and he comes through in the 2 remaining states which is

wisconsin and michigan. then he's got it so you know to be a big picture kind of guy. although we are accustomed to talking to the r t america audience will remind the we're on internationally tonight yeah so to everyone who's watching us here in the east and everyone who's watching in europe and asia good morning and here's a and it is a useful explanation of the american system that we are serving up here tonight we're explaining how things work even when they don't work so. well and it was 106196819762002004 and of course 2016 when we didn't know before midnight this is the way america works let me let me show you what the 2 paths are right now if you can give me the

telestrator real quick give me the telestrator i'm going to try to show me the big line let's go with red here if we possibly can to let me just make sure we got it all right have we got it there ok here is the path right now that mr trump needs he needed florida he got it he needed georgia he got it he needed north carolina he got it or he's going to get it at some point now he needs to get pennsylvania and he needs to get arizona right isn't that what president i mean well he's not going to get arizona he's not a big enough that he's not going to arizona we lose arizona and price of a and that column that's what i'd like to know and so if we give mr trump but he's going to the states and he picks up one of these 2 guys that's a given time and we were actually i think that this is probably going to be in the back and possibly let's go look at the other side let's go that's what those states right there we basically have a win for us and then. meanwhile here is what mr biden needs mr biden is going to need pennsylvania he needs michigan he needs wisconsin

a needs arizona and obviously he needs to that's the path to victory for biden the one i just drew for trump gives him to 79 this one for biden gives him to 74 those are the 2 pass that these guys need at this point and there's a good chance they're fighting for the same state and you could be 268 to 16 i mean there is a chance when it's all done that we're going to stay here to 68 to 69 for a while and we have to process every single vote in pennsylvania fact of the matter it's looking like we're not going to have a winner tonight i mean i think. that's what we have as a regular part of their eyes and i was just trying to walk out and say i've won it's over a good night now. i don't think any of his advisers like you take his advisors advice are saying walk out and claim winning right now because nobody wants that soundbite did you have to honcho it is surprising those and it's got to we thought you told us earlier in the night and not that i'm questioning your report because i think it was valid that there were sources saying that the president was going to be making some kind of statement early in the day you surprised if i beat him to

the punch you know i think that was the thought he need the we want to make sure i'm sure that the trump team wants to make that texas is declared georgia's declared north carolina the ones that we know are going to go trump wants those numbers because then he can walk out and say look at my numbers he does not when he wants to be a strong positioning he knows people are not going to bed yet when it's this close i guarantee people are probably they've got the t.v. on in the background they might have won iowa and well they're still watching it it seemed like the message biden was putting out there was go to bed yes it's cool you can go to bed and be confident that when you wake up in the morning we're going to have great you're not going to sleep through a resolution you know it's kind of interesting anyone sleep with the nightmares that are going through their heads right now. and we don't know what's going on outside we don't know what's going on of says streets of america right now with this in response to this that said that's the factor right now that we've all got to talking about what i am surprised i wish joe biden would have said i'm hoping trump includes a speech whatever the result let's have peace in the streets i did not hear that i

joe biden he missed a great opportunity i'm hoping he does but we can hope it would be smart if you would as he ever said look these are the streets have an order of on orders one of his life. cops i love you that's a law and order well you know we have 2 different americas right now i mean we really have a country that is looking at this situation and one of them one side is convinced that they have all the answers the law in order to shun the other side is convinced that there's just too much oppression in the country and the people and somewhere along the line we all know because we're smart enough to know. that they're both right that there are problems in this country but you know it seems like if you're on the other side you don't want to hear what the other guy has to say well for those who are really nervous of you they're going to lose are going to win or whatever either side i have some good news for everybody out there. and this war is going to stay the same wall street exploitation of extracts of the wealth

because the climate chaos caused the same environmental destruction so very much our taxes are going to go up don't forget no matter what the government can find another way to make a more measured show last words from you i know you're still hung out out there and we certainly value what you think of this we're down to just 3 minutes we're going to give you the 1st one take it away well i think lately can actually kind of take it away there is there is it up much that's going to change in terms of oppression will always have oppressed people in america family those people tend to look like me as well as latino as across this country and i think that what we're expecting to see and what a lot of you know civil rights organizers and demonstrators have been expecting to see from this is an america that is hopeful an america that isn't trying to push back to the path an america that has a forward thinking narrative that you think loose it should a trump victory happen over the next few hours of the next few days a lot of people will feel like all hope is lost that's interesting. you being with us we appreciate your comments there are

a lot of people who are saying. putting trump in the white house for one term was something that happens from time to time maybe an outlier keeping them there says that that's what america believes whether you love trump or dislike trump he is america yeah i think a lot a lot of people you know they wanted someone who was outside the mold 'd who didn't seem like the political elite and he certainly doesn't seem like that he seems like another kind of elite but not the general washington beltway elite and so for those who love him for that reason they keep loving him go around the room last 1520 seconds for you scotty we need an optimistic message from president trump and that's pray for the for the peace of our country that we get everything very soon to have our leader at all and the only person on our team america who is older than i am is larry king so i know this will sound grandfatherly but things have a way of working out fair and i just hope i don't find a winner soon and it doesn't takes weeks it's been a pleasure sharing the best with you tonight learned a lot and yeah let's keep peace out there folks well here's where we are on behalf

of branch of boars been joining us throughout the night and taking us through that very colorful map it's changed from time to time not as much as some people would have liked to have seen a change i want to thank all of you for trusting us to bring you this newscast on this night you can also continue to trust that we're going to bring you the news as it happens over the next couple of days you can count on our team america to be here for you as this map does continue to fill out whether how fast or how slow it happens we're going to be following it every step of the way and the other thing that we're always going to be able to bring you is something that maybe some of the others lack the context the understanding the explanations for what got us to where we are today i'm rick sanchez on behalf of all of us here at r.t. america it's been a pleasure bringing you this newscast and we hope to see you again soon and remember as we say here it's time to do it is good night america.

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biden tells the pollsters he thinks he'll win the us presidential election the democrats leading in states the ready to fight it but a number of key locations remain to be counted. and human every result has hardly begun coming in when violent scenes are wrapped if there had been clashes between pro and anti donald trump activists in washington d.c. outside the white house where reporting from the city. like no behind me if you look at the problem is that in the old a lot fewer people than there were last time we talked to you the reason for that is probably fall.