i saw the movie and the guy is lying on the bed with his hand down his pants and this is the person that the president picks to fight his legal battle on election fraud he has very little credibility like he is no james baker when when bush and gore were fighting over florida he has no standing anymore not in the court of public opinion in that anywhere else so it's become a little bit of a circus here and again this was predicted before because trump said this is going to happen there's going to be fraud because he was setting it up but the truth is this is a perfect there's a perfect that's what donald trump wants because obviously so i'm going to leave it that want to bring it so i'm so sorry to catch but we've got she we've run out of time there's so much talk about we could go on for hours but i appreciate all 3 of you for coming on to the program many thanks will be bring you up to date stick with us we'll be staking we'll be bringing all the facts from us stick with us.

i want to start today sure for the flexion on the passing of so sean connelly screen legend the world's most famous scot the definitive bond demon golfer sean connery was all of these things and much much more to me he was a loyal steadfast friend over more than 30 years but i took this show on some 23 years ago the pun passed in

a really wanted to interview with sean connery and he readily agreed but suckin stances in health prevented that happening and the reason was that of all the interviews that shown that over the years all the things that were written about him only read one from the the scottish offer willie michael vanny which got cost of capturing the essence of sean connery because this was not just a a great personality a great movie star this was a great human being a deeply deeply humanness funny ironic human being with great views on on life and everything else and never frightened to express them. in my life i've been privileged to meet a few great people but only a few and one of these was was sean connelly now in times to come will get the opportunity to do a proper tribute to the show on but in the meantime for lady michelle and then the

family of condolences for the rest of us rode the world alight as dead and and no universe but it will shine on and our memories and hopes for the future. by short this week in a screeching u. turn and in an apparently chaotic manner the johnson government and a new muslim national laaksonen england starting to but this is a local town with a difference schools universities and key workplaces remain open hospitality house parties and holidays are forbidden. elsewhere across these islands things are different wills is already a week into a much stricter to be close time while northern ireland is half way through month long restrictionists scotland this week saw the introduction of a 5 regionally based system today we asked to public health experts whether these

measures contain the virus across the u.k. while the world awaits a vaccine professor harvey burns a former chief medical officer of scotland is a new president of the british medical association he is in a unique position to assess and assesses whether the virus can be brought back under control through these tight or public health restrictions dr participant coming out of extra medical school has over 20 years experience in communicable disease control and infectious disease controlling this he worked as a consultant in communicable disease control for local authorities aren't public health and the agency which is know being bullied inspired you kick up ministers for the failure of taste in trees alex will be in conversation with our 2 guests later but 1st your messages and e-mails on last week's show last week show on black history martin's excited great interest and many responses we hear 1st from in patterson who says all history matters but i wouldn't pull down any statues i

didn't like in marshall says the problem isn't history the problem is to the history is written by or presented on t.v. and all the sudden it's official it even says we never got thoughts when i was that skill donald says that is another amazing black lady me to see a cool jamaican scot that massively helped medicine to better hygiene getting the crimean war and every bit the equal to florence nightingale richard lindsey says excellent show joined by and always the voice of reason when talking about racism really put a lot of people in their place when liam neeson spoke of his experience i had my bind see a lot physical both on and off the field and finally nelson says jock thompson and then that will forever mind us that we are all of us and whatever origins of equal value common in the culture of scottish people. now over to alex professor heidi bynes and up to piping khania salad bar insert we now have

a renewed lot of dough of sorts coming in england with a soft in particular in wales and scotland has a a 5 t. approach weiser so difficult to get there the key message isn't public health across and get less pandemic under control i'm a bit see something that i would often say but i've got less sympathy for the politicians. and the damage that's done by locked own is significant and that governments are going to are having to find a real balancing act no i think we own scotland northern ireland and so and have all of our conflate the different approaches i think scotland began up harsh on lockdown if you like it has that have the highest rates of transmission some time ago and we're no beginning to see now working and i think anyone has waited

a bit and i think that had to stricter outcome so it's about trying to do the best you can and the circumstances you've caught but i just think that england of probably we had a bit too long to be honest what's happening in the north of england is really a significant moment i don't have one can you have said that intends a real epidemic control you have to minister that and the level that local level if what you mean by that thing with a particular. well what we need is local experts and we do have them so look all of the storage is have all the consultants in public health there and then we also have the local public health england equivalent in the other nations experts in communicable disease control these are the keep players they are the linchpin the commanders in chief and they should be leading their outbreaks locally because they have the network and the network is with the hospitals and the market casting the

environmental health officers and they know if there is a rising tide if there is quiet if there is calm or if there are concerns and they can respond very dynamically on a day to day hour by hour basis and therefore they should be meeting every day and you know you have it as a command and control center for under locally rather than from far away reach a london or elsewhere. minus a being so much difficulty and getting tested and trace operating across these islands i mean we've had this week that slovakia has tested hof the complete in 2 days this is november of the vita started spreading alyea media why isn't that sort of thing possible in the u.k. you're absolutely right it's very frustrating you know if you equate received by to because i started talking about this way back in march and we're told that

availability of the chain is limited we're told to the crusades that saddam oved in testing and then and then i see most often in reporting and so on is difficult actually not convinced that the management of the whole process has been effective and a lot of that management has been short stier green absolutely the local public house is the way to go here right from the beginning and my own university we were offering opportunities for crap. zoran but we were told no no the government wanted to do. particular way and i just don't think it's been reached i really don't see how i spoke just last week about proving tasting and up here and i was told that the kind of trash that i was suggesting where'd be a little sore and there's no reason why he shouldn't because other countries as you say are doing it so it's very interesting and it's the way out of this test to

magic people find out who was always symptomatic is carrying and potentially spreading the virus and isolate them that's the way to control this and get it from no dairy quickly part of. the testing local level i mean what's wrong with the these big white house tasting samples that the the governor of a stylist a member of violently capable of of doing the the job on a. scale that's necessary to meet this crisis well it's also scattergun approach that scattergun approach is we've said all floodgates open go and get a test well that's not the way to run a outbreak control give you an example of when we dealt with the swine flu pandemic we met with a lot of our tree staff every day and we couldn't work out where the pinch points were and how we would run the operations whereas when you've got

a far away it like house lab it is doing it at scale but it is not responsive locally it can never be responsive locally and and then we introduced what you would call it failures of communication the energy of the labs and the touch of a button would have alerted the patient the g.p. the hospital and any other place it needed to inform about the test result of here we've had to set up and create new networks with new permissions to enable all this communications to happen so a number of things have gone wrong if only we had stayed with what we know what we know works best. so how to balance scotland and england for that matter we have originated public health control so often factions diseases so why if i can it be that having that source of knowledge over the years we found this particular virus so difficult to get a get a hold off i think in part it's due to the fact that this virus is very very and

infectious and spreading many whitely mean point and when we manage to suppress the number of cases. in march i'm sure many pro and then we got sporadic outbreaks of local public health departments where anybody effective. and then we lifted to restrict choose where to not hospitality and so on and it began to spread like wildfire and local public health departments became quite overwhelmed a lot of the guys i speak to are literally being run ragged by what's happening so we need more extensive controls but critically we need people to and she used to those groups it is still for st tng to hear people say oh we didn't care you know this is terrible these rules we're just going to go oh we're going to have parties we're going to have christmas together and so on. if you meet

with people and you do it you do it distance and you don't wear masks and storm you increase significantly in the spread of the virus and it's it is basically counts but me attention classes are remotely and online at the present moment. students presumably are in the while this is a tragic and serious of condition but presumably your students must of views as this as a as a tremendous example of of a living real life example of what it really means to be an. in a pandemic situation are you talking to both of the the cases you should go on at the present moment yes i am so i take liberty with deviating from my brief of what subject i was covering to say i will cover that subject but let's cover this right now what's the iron is hot and we've started doing even tutorials late at

night it's kind of clock we meet we discuss and we move forward and it's really good for the students who are joining us so they're learning in real time and they will grow up to be experts they are also be willed it and concerned and not sure about why we've had so many i'm bill and messages so when i tell them that in an outbreak you need a commander in chief and the commander in chief does the following and this is how you do it you get all the people around the table would discuss the strategy and then we do it and then my students say how come england or united kingdom isn't doing it in that manner and i say well when politics and health interfere it becomes difficult so one of us would think that they're in the cases of a lot of talk about the students going back home for christmas those students have gone on to campus would that be an example of where we should have a test of all of these people to make sure you're not releasing back into the homes

of our own the country do the right in the world if people who are asymptomatic but infected yeah i think and have a significant risk he said to make a case to i think it is a shameful to stop strange and continuing that wintered story i mean it is not that difficult when it is things that we proposed to any enemy or a sting we slaughter from hoax or precedents it was there is evidence that the want of the wood from any. building in storage if it's anywhere in that building is in fear. it was crowded piracy could pick up the waste water so why don't you know there's 400 students into the hall of presidents to change the wastewater if you get close and you keys you know you have to go in and taste more students in the place and that oh that was too difficult join us after the break we will look at how the experience thus far can translate into perhaps better practice over

the coming months to get this virus under control and will cast an eye into lustily as to which countries have been more successful in tackling coronavirus tell us and . welcome back out of continued his interview with dr biden kanya and professor heidi burns and asked the question will this really all be over by christmas caught up on talia from extra university which has seen the public to really understanding the public health messages i mean there's been a lot of delivery of them but other public really taking them to heart thus far no

and it is very disappointing we've had so many mixed messages and i feel now the public also have got messages fatigue and they are consciously or subconsciously switching off we need to have our act together and get simple clear understandable messages not too many layers not too many tears just get the simple straightforward public health messages out there and repeat them reinforce that. holly bombs is generally said and i think accepted that communication at least of policy has been better in scotland the elsewhere certainly and then with perhaps a lot of communication be improved follow up to try and drive these messages whole i think so and i think part of the problem in england has been its change tracks so often you know we're not going to have looked oh no no we better have a lot of this kind of saying so people become a bit confused and frustrated is scottish parliament is closer to the people the

people of scotland have better access to their competition and that's faith how thoughtful people see the politicians the see the clinical director they see the chief medical officer and so on very regularly explaining things and our national character narrator jason the tree example you know he appears on sports programs that we can dog food instant store and taking people's questions this kind of thing still there is more excess ability in scotland it's difficult policy but as i stated the beginning ministers are trained in a hard to keep the economy growing as best as possible while suppressing the virus and i have to say that i think i'm probably right in trying to achieve and the way they're doing it class kind of on supply of so much being outsourced to private companies in terms of testing those many stories of retired health professionals

volunteering the savants is there to help with some even getting an answer it while the private company is given your shed loads of money to to do things perhaps not very well i think it's outrageous i really do i think that we have an experiment that we have and you know as you say very tired people we have volunteers who were. if you do test and trace insurance and yet it's going to these private organizations and i think we need to know how much is being spent on that sustain the poor has been spent on this in england and wales northern ireland scotland drought it's just fumes light and our lack of overall management to the to this very complex process it could be done more efficiently and more effectively i think is often station and they will adopt

a county of that. privatisation of past and face is happening while many local authorities as we've seen from recent weeks feel themselves dreadfully under resourced and terms of the the local public health. it's a disaster and it's outrageous and so i agree with what senator kerry burns just said because why why do you want to set up a private testing laboratory and a private contractor a thing service which will never ever work as efficiently as if you had invested in your local n.h.s. services and systems in both the local authority in the n.h.s. and in public health england if we look at the star growing amount of money spent 12000000000 pounds that is the equivalent of the empire budget of all the g.p.s. and public health combined now if we had used that money instead it set up

systems contact tracing systems in local authorities in local public health england areas we would have a asset to the nation and a set that can be used 18 months 24 months from today because when we have sporadic outbreaks we will need local of our tree capacity and local outbreak tracing services we won't have the centralized systems in existence then so we've lost an asset to the nation it is a big mistake to have made a dot dot com if you cast your eye worldwide for a 2nd or 2 which of the countries the you feel have had the best record of vast far in getting a grip of this pandemic south korea without a doubt and if you look at the south korean interventions it was early that's the key point early hard fast and strict so there when 1000 early with their control measures now when team hard meaning no half measures and there were strict about

enforcement and them and making sure you wore your mask you took infection control seriously and now look they sorted out their health and as a result their economy is also sorted out of sight i mirror what harry burns was saying. which is you sort out the howth and you will sort out the economy in tandem so to tell me as a healthy person they kaname is being trashed i disagree the economy is being trashed because you failed to sort out simple public health measures to make both economy and how to run in tandem together and so honeybunch your. favorite example from round the world to presently that we could take real lessons from rome and present and have places like south korea and survive and japan and sort of have done very well but interesting places for me are places links to a new zealand where

a lot of towns have been very successful interesting me in new zealand it's clear that people have been very trustful of their government so this you know in suppressing the virus through lockdowns and these kind of things is one thing but the other thing is having public confidence in the process and places like new zealand and definitely should not how high a medical doctor 5 carlia without this renewed locked out and then with we've got the 5 tier system a scotland alyea but in wales the pursuit what the costs suck it but after that do you think that mr clifford and wales are going to have success of 1st minister and getting a grip on the virus for that suck up there is it going to have to continue that over the longer period to get the virus under control i think a longer period is also required because wales is not an island within an island

and therefore whatever happens in england will translate into wales as well and therefore i personally would like a unified public health approach across all the nations it is unfortunate that we have a swan worsham in scotland northern ireland. wales and then in england. because wales is a very close neighbor of england and the population is in england there will be movements and when there are a movement whatever happens in england will also happen in wales therefore we need to synchronize the control measures in both the countries at the same time otherwise you are hurting one economy whilst the other economy creates all the cases which will then come and in fact your people that you were trying to prevent from getting infected or bombs as a call for a unified policy across england wales the scotland would would that work well it wasn't just thinking at the moment but you had system in scotland and i know that

some entity beyond were just suggesting that if he hears like laws for the central down route have stricter rules that will control more effectively what's happening in the as he as the chief everyone in 2 years will continue to see problems and they will gradually grow up to the point where you're they will need stricter rules insurance so that is an argument if that if that actually is what happens that is an argument for consistency across the u.k. but what happens if the consistency is the wrong policy as perhaps a given the number of changes was seen from prime minister johnston that way it will be the case. couldn't consisted. of is what i'm suggesting we need we need to be quite strict about it yes so how to bombs have i should have picked the hotter as president but his medical

association for a 2nd vs the global matters that your members are thinking about what are they so a mass than the a me to say of the crisis that they can't look forward to see what's to come i am working with royal colleges since ornge to begin to think about. how do we prevent this happening again mark how much he is much creature the lord of misrule shit so is he who makes skill you go and that it's just another argument for dealing with it is probably to no society sustainable development and economy that works to provide well be for everyone and society is the long term objective for this and we mustn't miss the opportunity to meet that argument about what the politicians seem to be focusing a lot of christmas us on the style of us a great family cation but. a virus doesn't recognize a. religious festivals of n.l.

a time of the doesn't know of course not and i'm concerned that we are already giving out mixed messages christmas 2020 can not be the same as all our christmases my advice is look advice people now that you need to have fewer human contacts for christmas going to 20 in western yourself so that you are well able and in good spirits in 2021 that's the way to go i absolutely agree to get this virus to close contact with other human beings and they're far from the 1st time ever we are not going to have a family christmas party for sure we will have her zuko with the family and that will be what we do it's a safe isolated state we're here mascon and washington's shortage and you will be safe to enjoy next year so how to balance thought about it

by kolya thank you so much for joining me on the alex aman chill thank you thank you many countries to struggled with handling covert and most western european countries to sleep wealth into a 2nd wave of the deadly virus. what is most disappointing is that many of these countries actually pioneered public health control in the days when infectious diseases were most often by that cure or effective treatment so why has it proven so difficult to implement disease control or an effective test interest system and the why is it so difficult to deliver a clear public health messages with all the advantages of martin communications and why has it not been possible to copy the success of the far east countries who hold their public health systems in response to sars vietnam china singapore and japan or australia or new zealand or the nordic countries in europe or canada and north a medical event as we'll and you decry and south america to

a greater or lesser extent these countries have to quit so why not across the british isles across so you can island that i don't know less than 5 minute but separate policies of disease control under way and indeed and if a week's time would be looking at the success or otherwise of the measures in island north and 6 which are halfway through the implementation this at least will how they define to each of giving an insight into what works and even more importantly what to see it on these lessons much depends but for now from alex myself and all that the shoe stacy i hope to see you again next to our thank god.

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