things are considered i'm peter lavelle biden claims victory but what about those who voted for trump well they say now not my president and is europe facing another wave of terrorism is neo liberal ideology showing signs of exhaustion. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest landis' and in oslo he's an associate professor at the university of south eastern norway as well as author of the upcoming book russian conservatism and here in moscow we have except he wrote he's the founder of the center of political strategic analysis straddle all right gentlemen crossed of rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to glenn in oslo again what's your major takeaway from this election here joe biden has been declared president elect though he shouldn't be technically because the electors have not sat down and voted for

the electoral college however. we are shorthand will say president elect for me the real focus is what happened in what they were rest of the election there was no blue wave it looks like as we speak now the senate will remain in republican hands thoughts more gridlock which may not be a bad idea because of pay at one of the the senate we could have seen a number of things that a lot of conservatives would be against so you know from trump's days are numbered in the white house that it would appear but. even without trump i've now i say there is trying to some in the media is not recognizing it and i think that's a huge mistake go ahead bob. i greeted a lot of sled victory over the blue wave they refer to. never materialized and i think the reason why they expected as well just an ocean that electional trunk in

2016 had been a mistake and that this was their problem money because i don't think they ever came to terms with why the last 2016. instead they spent the last 4 years under minding the legitimacy of election saying that trump was merely a president who came to power by with us or the kremlin and through fake news so because they never really took a. clear as all survey of why this happened then never really addressed it and when did which is why i did thought that this was merely a mistake and i think this. is a lot firmer and if occasions now further because. they see they need to come to terms with why people still voted for trying to decide why they didn't have a blue a bunch of get this whole idea that the country would again go back to normal and unified it was again based on that did the trunk was a mistake and people would reject him but again he so turned out to have started an

entirely new movement and even if he's gone some little pick out there and there will continue all same of a lot of the same policies and i guess the main problem is there's no i don't see any possibility for cation bringing the country together because again did the main concern or problem people i was trying to i was a saying that the election was stolen from him and a large are to say electorate will agree with this and you can kind understand why them to me that you know far from beings inferior to him that take johnson actively gone out to censor him and then all the media kept there really biden it and it also guilty and also quite a lot of the republicans. no more the 70000000 people voted for trump well last quote why should we recognize the legitimacy of biden for the last 4 years the democrats did not recognize the legitimacy of trump even last week. started this

week a letter that you had. hillary clinton come out i'm still saying now 4 years in a row that the election was stolen from our so this failure to recognize electoral defeat it is it did not start with sean. so i think they have a lot to do in order to. bring in this divisions and i just like to make one final point if you recognize that the country is divided because you have got it now or at least 8000000 more people voting for trunk this so i can explain this and even blacks and latinos and all this is the graphics voting the greater numbers are trunk and how are you going to explain it i mean. you have you know from biden saying that you know if you're black you should be a black you for not putting for me or was it al sharpton arguing that all the cubans are released the knicks they're more whites which is and they did their thing by giving up their quotas for trump. again no michelle obama came up and said listen we really are in dire need to unify the country you have to reach out to

trump orders but we have to come to recognize a 70 percent of this people voted 2 percent of the hate allies chaos and division i mean. how can you how is this the opening statement to unify the country if you say that unification is between us good americans have to unify with bad americans is just the premise refusing to recognize the position of the other side is just such a horrible point of the parcher if you recognize you do have to come together you know exactly that it's absolutely right because even in victory we have the people surrounding biden and michelle obama obama being mentioned here a continued to hold half the electorate in contempt. ok we may that's why there is you have this this. talk about essentially reeducating a trump voter i mean in the lack of recognition that these people have agency they have their own values they have their own interests here there's not

a recognition of that and on top of that why should republicans and republicans treat biden any differently than the way the democrats treated donald trump head examined. yes exactly in my opinion it will be more difficult from joe biden than it was for the not trying because the idea that the elections was the soul is white and they didn't know and you know actually in my opinion it's. more predominance of the liberal not only in the united states but are actually you know in the world and you know i can compare that with what happened you know in france with yellow jackets because of. my color repressed smoke meant by using something like a blood shed but to continue continue littering the rest of the planet. for instance who can go in belarus so west without her knowing joe biden if he's

elected oh. he criticized for instance i don't know but i am sorry ukraine or and the african country as long as. i in my opinion there is no if you don't see that there is a massive fraud in the united states so it's a complete complete loss from our predominance of the west and especially how the u.s. leader or yet exactly you know the plan that the it seems to me that the left has has forgotten what democracy is all about because for them democracy is the pursuit is to pursue an ideology it is not to look for representation they've moved away from representation when they want to say i want to use the electoral process it to inforce and i use that were specifically enforced their ideology on the people that dissent from it and that's a form of authoritarianism so democracy is it has no value to me it's

a vehicle that's what it is not really ok i do want to see in united states to its wonder democrats win the election. while you're on talk of the marker of them are christian. it is a system where the process is more important than the outcome. and they get it and in this case you can actually see that unification of the united states would to a large extent rely on the democratic process so for example now the dispute is whether or not there were an election irregularities the united states has democratic mechanisms in place for this that is if there are reasons to believe that there are irregularities then these are assessed. and looked into and is improving to be the case or not to get a case however what you see now is only. the democrats were not there already decided that there are no irregularities this is fake news so if there are regular this will day really accept that this existed and all other side of the coin with

the with the republicans if there shows that no actually it wasn't any major irregularities at least not enough to swing the election. and they still feel that the election was stolen so again this commitment that end results this is a reluctance to accept that the democratic process should be held off the outcome it's very much absent them this is very much huge an idea that both sides now see that the other one is not merely our political opposition seeking a different path for the country this both sides are seeing the other side attempting to ruin the country so again that the democrats looking at them and they republicans they're just you know are they are sentient want to remake america as a fascist country which is. based on some strange assumptions and then you have the republicans looking at the democrats now who are doing that that well i would say more of those behind it that they want to operate a lot of the institutions because under the premise that america systemically

racist country you really have to dig up all the roots to cleanse it of its horrible history and origin and it's just that the macwrite process actually rots away in this. system and this is just because. it's i mean there's talk of a truth and reconciliation process like there wasn't south africa for people that were in trump's orbit i mean we have general play and we have other people that have been subject to this that's quite terrifying it's very it sounds like the stasi to me that you know they when they want to cleanse the body politic of these impure thoughts again this has nothing to do with democracy it is about the promotion of an ideology that is alien to half the country that. actually you're trying to lift look as look at this do you just want to maybe least like. the rings original regulation and sending people the. finished for instance if you

gave to do not paid for 2 doors or a group doris you would be finished you will be on and on the least in my opinion it's typically of the. usual activities not only in the united states but you can in france who is the same and in the point of when it was underlined by the next i'm going to contain that. but i don't want to control it is a left is completely true because and certainly in my opinion biden is not able to manage the country during the next. you can explore years so the vice president will be the real president and she's a neutral it's really going to try to. i think you know they did betray her it is a hard left as you can make that case but let me go to plan right now i see her as

the quintessential status quo candidate politician i mean it's no surprise that when she was picked the stock market went up because they she's going to do their bidding just like obama did. and so then when i see here i'm rapidly running out of time here is that the print dress of element of the democratic party they're going to remind them that they're brown's to ok and mean and what we're going to see here with this potent quote victory is the beginning of a civil war within the democratic party has been the republican 20 seconds and go ahead are going to. put out the cry party are not unified. biden's entire election platform also gets biden on the get out of office and remember to wear masks now if this is your name election platform it also reflects that there was a lot of divisions within the democratic party i mean. you're going to get it ready to go and we're breaking down a short break we'll continue our discussion and some real stay.

you know clothes will suit wolf will wear sleeves. but. probably was in short. order cook doesn't actually matter the age to put a gun the most of. you can do that with us because all of those who do use the bunkers those stories could be game we will see in the movie it is with it would seem to most of us but i is the most severe some of what is in your speech come home and use the of. the 20th century was thing in order of revolution the great depression and world war the 21st is the century of mental illness. those

aren't my words that's what surfaced some psychiatry to tell us the only question is should we accept it as a fact. use. tactics that can be used to get innocent people to confess to crimes they didn't commit i don't even think people in the us really get that the police are allowed to lie to the person who falsely confessed actually came to believe the lie that they were told about their own behavior once a false confession a stake in the case is closed nobody really can tell the difference between a good confession and one that is a. welcome back to crossfire for all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news.

ok i was going to examine that in little talk about what's going on in france and other parts of year period we have the french president declaring. that there must be an end to muslim is islamic separatism it's very interesting coming from the quintessential neo liberal of europe talking about this i mean i was really quite shocked. and what it tells me is that this neal liberal ideology doesn't understand what it's doing as a matter of fact it's tearing the fabric of societies are all across europe and they suddenly say oh this is terrible it's him or it's quite extraordinary let me read to you and some i mean from a french institute of public opinion which you probably know very well name last week they said the majority of muslims under the age of 2557 percent believe islamic law to be more important than french law in france increase of 10 percent

since 2016 so this is going on for a while all of a sudden the french president has an opinion about him you know actually in my opinion it's the muslims treat because actually islam isn't in france is a part of the local problem which is you need ration for the last 45 years france we salute any reason because we are able in your continuing economic crisis or for 45 years we imported millions of immigrants and because any kind of goals that the state are created we even don't look only they are but you know you know places and you know these reasonable course is a problem but so small part you know notable foreign friends don't do the french. criminologist so you also say that that 80 percent of the crimes in the region of paris is linked to maybe once population so and we're talking friends of places

without any control we're at war. we know her. policeman needs are fighting. inside and don't want to control there is. just to be a little drug trafficking and we have some smaller didn't contest it we were insurance and in my opinion in an enlightening wants to make us believe that we are already sure no we are a little ignition on and if we don't have this. maybe when we don't have any amusing problem so it's not a religious problem to be so it's a mess you know many and sold it will me gratian problem. and you know i could just do to finish my call would lead to serious public. rebuke to fight against the generally during the $200.00. 30 years so we are using do security sticks. security idealogy to expend we need.

islam in line to buy units because it. exists. there that's the point your plan your business and it's be very clear i mean we were talking about the increase of 11 can call islamic terrorism we're talking about the beheading of school teacher recently a very horrific crime and this is what spurred this debate here but plenty i mean you know there are those that say this is a crisis of islam that's an argument you can make but you can say it's a crisis of liberalism too and i think it's because there's a crisis of liberalism and it doesn't understand how it's destroying a political culture because if you don't have respect for your own political culture why should you expect immigrants have respect or go ahead and i think it's important their point out like oh my god this is not only his initiative it will

all of our leading alger islamic terrorism is also counter fundamental. list ideas which are not compatible with french culture and values and this actually looks like another step in this. oh this repudiation of the functioning of multiculturalism is essentially based on the basic idea that you need to recognize that there is one culture set a cultural norms and values of the society should be able to organize around again if if they say there isn't so then you can truly complain if some people could just lump all over french or if they if you think they were argue that so you have a list of different cultures which you should not respond more or less atomically without without. it being under the same phone number ella and interestingly this is a very much sure what's micron's about it would be a very conservative argument was exactly what

a human beings are very much organizing in groups that were tribal and their role of state is to make the states 11 tribe in the role of their government this should make sure that this does not take on a biliteral of form where we become sort of folk force i think it was our other tribes still form forming thing a common national identity of all. living without in those borders wants a cultural norms and values which it all and race. does some very reasonable approach to take up i guess you're right i mean this kind of conservative i did that we do do need to uniform around. yes a certain shared ideas at this impedes on the idea that the liberal should stand old it's own it should not be constrained by. any and it was our so-called indoctrination of culture so you do have to have a balance between the individual ism and effects of the recognising that humans do belong to collect it we organise a tribe still

a large extent and it's not so you can't literalism you might get in a struggling that was the idea that it could dismantle the tribe i think there's now seeing namely that education tends to break into smaller tribes where people associate with different values and identities which aren't linked to this government state in a more or the nation i think is where often a lot of this problem is begin to emerge and again is oh yeah this actually is a rice. problem in france sold soley at the feet of the sonic state islamic faith doesn't seem real if their brother had said it. but your point is very well taken a great if you look i'm not attacking islam here at all when i'm talking it's not. a new liberalism and that the an ideology you know. well you know you know what kind of bouncing off what glenn had to say here you know you know they're having. liberalism in its attempt to create

a triumph there where you have the miliary i would go further than that i think that liberalism wants to destroy all ok no identity and recreate it based on certain laws and civic duties and all that people don't think that way they don't think that way and this is why this ideology is is so counterproductive because when it does is it you know you start destroying the assent of a cynic body and then people won't protect that but then you have a group of people that feel disaffected by that ideology where they ball the ball on their relation ok so i mean it's liberalism spot here and i want to make it very clear that none of us on this program and our viewers are tolerate any kind of violence and terrorism like we've seen in europe recently and that is it is completely unacceptable head example and you know actually we don't have to forget that the last bullet to us in france was built by the legal roads complete

dish on participating in one side you want to educate the society we're good most of the western country all the new rights mean. ratings for gays. in any kind of freedom and they wanted it and you know no cite on this you know 10 country they imported it maybe 10 millions of people are trying to figure out. if you go or if we go we're aren't his book relation are considered you can tell sort debian's but only 2 completely different society and actually the people coming from out of that you know they hate when they see not only the slum but you know for the question of for recreation the. relation seeing of this waiting for. it isn't acceptable so i try to do them separate through a t.v. situation on the mainland that everything is possible that there is no we don't you

don't really do it now you don't let people from who go there read the books and if you go and. created social problems or rude people and you lose the right to do what's really. moser and so and so and so their lists of created insurance society that's going to work that's between won't work and we were talking about you want to talk about open source the problem i had no idea i grant you no idea when did you get there and it did then they heard this argument many years ago in the united states that demographics is destiny glenn beck day if that is true here then what cultural values will. dominate i mean you have to have an organizing principle for a functioning society ok now you can do it through some kind of civic ideas you can do it through culture you can do into a number of ways here but you have to it has to be a concerted effort we're in i'll use an american political term

a big tent we can bring in enough people here but if you have an ideology that just says you know do whatever you want to do then people do whatever they want to do and that's not always good. yeah no you know i guess that's something france also applies to the united states there where it was kind of assumed the democrats said you know we were on that we are the party of the tolerant there are republicans other races so we will protect. ethnic minorities and saying you know if you are black if you're responding this is your identity us what's the science you so you know you might not you know you're your individual perspective songwriter konami prosperity or you know concerts it's not you know this matters and if you don't if you don't work for us then you're speculating and going to have a bite and said you're not. really black shif you know warning for me because you know that your your identity groups they want to finds you and you have to act accordingly and you're going to become serious and divisive approach i don't want i

want to go out with with my crew on he said it's a now take on you only sign of terrorism if it does you country lease the mystic from the international just such an extent i mean the french foreign policy kind of how to reflect that isn't vicious he has to fight terrorism eternally i mean it is often pointed out that yes that american supported more genes and blood and in 1008 is afghanistan since then they supported the influx of jihadists in during the bosnian war we're still resides there by the way in the culture the whole big converted that terrorist organization surely removed from terrorists this is so that what our clocks on the ground in cish now they've been supporting terrorism in libya nagel's ally the south with terrorists on the ground and i know syria will again be very relevant because now the by just taking control again is will get $12.00 step of effort in north eastern syria and if they do that and the allies on

the ground will do that's going against the syrian government and the russians so to what extent did this well come back and bite us in dollars over iraq in the 2nd round of not that you know the contradiction is glaring when thank you very much i want to thank my guests here in the land of mosul and i want to thank our viewers for wanting to see you next time remember. this is a story of women and women with troubled histories and complex cold cases you know some of us did leave awful lives out there but we're not. the person that is accusing this employee they are considered the most dangerous of criminals she's in a still. body off 23 hours of the day tell me that it's not enough punishment

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