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hollowing. welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, bitin claims victory. but what about those who voted for trump? well, they say now not my president, and is europe facing another wave of terrorism? is the neo liberal ideology showing signs of exhaustion to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest landis' and in oslo. he's an associate professor at the university of south eastern norway as well as author of the upcoming book, russian conservative islam. and here in moscow, we have to accept the rope is the founder of the center of political strategic analysis strategy. all right, gentlemen, crossed up rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. ok, let's go to let us low again. what's your major takeaway from this election here?

joe biden has been declared, president elect, though. he shouldn't be technically because the electors have not sat down and voted for the electoral college. however, we are shorthand will say, president elect for me, the real focus is what happened in the rest of the election. there was no blue wave and it looks like as we speak now, the senate will remain in republican hands, thoughts, more gridlock, which may not be a bad idea because of pay and one day the senate. we could have seen a number of things that a lot of conservatives would be against. so you know, from trump's days are numbered in the white house that it would appear. but even without trump i've now i say there is strength isn't in the media is not recognizing it. and i think that's a huge mistake. go ahead. john created a landslide victory over the blue wave. they refer to never materialized. and i

think the reason why they expected as well, just an ocean out election, trump in truth 16, had been a mistake. and that this was their problem money because i don't think they ever came to terms with why the last 2016. and instead, they spent the last 4 years under minding the legitimacy of election, saying that trump was merely a president who came to power by with us or the kremlin, and through fake news. so because they never really took a clear as all survey of why this happened, then never really addressed it and would do, which is why they felt that this was merely a mistake. and i think this is a lot firmer. and if occasions now further, because they see they need to come to terms with why people still voted for trying to decide why they didn't have a blue, a bunch of get this whole idea that the country would again go back to normal and

unify it was again, based on that, did the trunk was a mistake and people would reject him. but again, he so turned out to have started an entirely new movement. and even if he's gone some little pick out there, and there will continue all same of a lot of the same policies. and i guess the main problem is there's no, i don't see any possibility for cation bringing the country together because again, they're the main concern or problem people i was trying to, i was a saying that the election was stolen from him and a large party, say legit will agree with this and if you can count, understand why them to me that you know far from beings inferior to him that they take chances actively going on to censor him. and none of the mean except the really biden. it's an echo guillotine. and also, quite a lot of the republicans know more than 70000000 people voted for trump. well, last quote, why should we recognize the legitimacy of biden?

for the last 4 years that democrats did not recognize the legitimacy of trump. even last week started this week, a letter that you had. hillary clinton come out, i'm still saying now 4 years in a row that the election was stolen from our so this failure to recognize electoral defeat, it is it did not start with sean. so i think they have a lot to do in order to bring in this divisions and i just like to make one final point. if you recognize that the country is divided because you have got it now or at least 8000000 more people voting for trunk. this so i can explain this and even blacks and latinos at all, this is the graphics voting. the greater numbers are trunk. and how are you going to explain it? i mean, you have, you know, from biden saying that, you know, if you're black, you'd be a black you for not putting for me, or was it al sharpton arguing that all the cubans are released and it's there more whites wishes and they did their thing by giving up their quotas for trump again?

no. michelle obama came up and said listen, we really are in dire need to unify the country. you have to reach out to trump orders, but we have to come to recognize a 70 percent of this. people voted 2 percent of the hate allies chaos and division . i mean, how can you, how is this the opening statement to unify the country? if you say that unification is between us, good americans have to unify with bad americans. is just the premise refusing to recognize the position of the other side is just such a horrible point of the parcher. if you recognize you do have to come together. you know exactly that. it's absolutely right. because even in victory, we have the people surrounding by and michelle, by obama being mentioned here, a continued to hold half the electorate in contempt. oh ok. we may. that's why there is you have this, this talk about essentially reeducating,

a trump voter. i mean, in the lack of recognition that these people have agency, they have their own values, they have their own interests here, there's not a recognition of that. and on top of that, why should republican republicans treat biden any differently than the way the democrats treated donald trump head examined? yes, exactly. in my opinion, it will be more difficult from joe biden than it was for the truck because the idea of elections was, the soul is white. and it didn't snow. and, you know, actually, in my opinion, it's more predominance of the liberal, not only in the united states, but are actually, you know, in the world. and, you know, i can compare that to what happened. you know, in france, like it's because of my color, repressed this moment by using something like a bloodshed, but to continue continuing lecturing the rest of the planet. for instance,

who can go in belarus, so west without her knowing joe biden, if he's elected. oh, he criticized, for instance, i don't know, but i am sorry, ukraine or, and the african country. as long as i, in my opinion, there is no. if you don't see that there is a massive fraud in the united states. so it's a complete, complete loss from our predominance of the west and especially how the u.s. leader or yet exhibit, you know, they claim that the, it seems to me that the left has, has forgotten what democracy is all about. because for them, democracy is the pursuit is to pursue an ideology, it is not to look for representation. they've moved away from representation when they want to say, i want to use the electoral process it to inforce. and i use that were specifically enforce their ideology on the people that dissent from it. and that's

a form of authoritarianism. so democracy is it has no value to me. it's a vehicle that's what it is, are not really. ok, i do want to see a new assistant to its wonder the democrats win the election while here i talk of the marker of them are christian. it is a system where the process is more important than the outcome and they get it. and in this case, you can actually see that unification of the united states would to a large extent, rely on the democratic process. so for example, now the dispute is whether or not there were an election irregularities. the united states has democratic mechanisms in place for this. that is, if there are reasons to believe that there are irregularities, then these are assessed and looked into and is improving to be the case or not to get a case. however, what you see now is only the democrats were not there already decided that there

are no irregularities. this is fake news. so if there are regularities, will damian accept that this exists that and other side of the coin with the, with the republicans. if there shows that no actually wasn't any major irregularities, at least not enough to swing the election and they still feel that the election was stolen. so again, this commitment that end results, this is a reluctance to accept that the democratic process should be held of the outcome. i think it's very much absent them. this is very much you could idea that both sides now see that the other one is not merely out political opposition seeking a different path for the country. this both sides are seeing the other side as attempting to ruin the country. so again, that the democrats looking at them and they, republicans, they're just, you know, are they are sentient, want to remake america as a fascist country, which is based on some strange assumptions. and then you have the republicans looking at the democrats now who are doing that, that well,

i would say more of those behind it that they want to operate a lot of the institutions because under the premise that america systemically racist country, you really have to dig up all the roots to cleanse it of its horrible history and origin. and it's just that the mechanic process actually rots away in this system. and this is just because it's, i mean there's talk of a truth and reconciliation process. like there wasn't south africa for people that were in trump's orbit. i mean we have general play and we have other people that have been subject to this that's quite terrifying. it's very, it sounds like the stasi to me that you know, they, when they want to cleanse the body politic of these impure thoughts. again, this has nothing to do with democracy. it is about the promotion of an ideology that is alien to half the country that actually you're trying to lift. look as look at this, do you just want to make least like the rings,

original regulation and sending people the british for instance, if you gave to do not pay $40.00 or a 100 dorris you will be punished. you will be on, on the least, in my opinion, it's typically of the usual activities not only in the united states, but you can influence who is the same. and in the point of when it was underlined by the next, i'm going to contain that. but i don't want to control it is the left is completely true because and secondly, in my opinion, biden is not able to manage the country during the next doing. then you can explore us. so the vice president will be the real president, and she's under trial, it's sure we're going to try to i think, you know,

they did betray her. it is a hard left as you can make that case. but let me go to plan right now. i see her as the quintessential status quo, candidate politician. i mean, it's no surprise that when she was picked, the stock market went up because they, she's going to do their bidding just like obama did. and so then when i see here, we're rapidly running out of time here is that the gress of elements of the democratic party. they're going to remind them that they're around to ok. i mean, and what we're going to see here with this phony quote, victory is the beginning of a civil war within the democratic party has been the republican 2020 seconds. go ahead, we're going to break it up, put up the kind of party are not unified by this entire election platform was get by not get out of the office and remember to wear masks if this is your name and election platform, it also reflects that there was

a lot of divisions within the democratic party. i mean we're going to get it ready to go and we're breaking down a short break. we'll continue our discussion and some real stay small seems wrong. all right, old old. just don't call me old yet to shake out. this thing

comes to educate and in danger. because the trail when so many find themselves worlds apart, just to look for common ground. to welcome out across time for all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real ok. i was going to examine that in little talk about what's going on in france and other parts of year period. we have the french president declaring that there must

be an end to muslim, is islamic separatism. it's very interesting coming from the quintessential neo liberal of europe, talking about this. i mean, i was really quite shocked. and what it tells me is that this neal liberal ideology doesn't understand what it's doing. as a matter of fact, it's tearing the fabric of societies are all across europe, and they suddenly say, oh, this is terrible. it's him or it's quite extraordinary. let me read to you and some, i mean from a french institute of public opinion, which you probably know very well. name last week they said the majority of muslims, under the age of 2557 percent believe islamic law to be more important than french law in france. and increase of 10 percent since 2016. so this is going on for a while. all of a sudden the french president has an opinion about him. you know, actually, in my opinion it's that, you know, muslims treat because actually islam isn't you. france is

a part of the local problem, which is, you need ration for the last 45 years. friends, we salute any reason because we are you on your continuing economic crisis or for 45 years. we imported millions of immigrants and because any kind of goals that stick are created, we even don't look only they are, but you know, you know, places and, you know, these reasonable course is a problem, but it's a small part, you know, notable foreign friends don't do the french create communities. so you also said that 80 percent of the crimes in the region of paris is linked to maybe once population. so and talking friends of places without any control. we know her policeman needs are fighting inside and don't want to control.

there is just a bit about, oh, drug traffic, you know, we have some smaller, didn't contest it, we were insurance. and in my opinion, in an enlightening wants to make us believe that we are already sure. no, we are a little ignition on and if we don't have this big one, we don't have any amusing problem. so it's not a religious problem to be. so it's a mess, you know, many and sold, it will probably end and you actually just to finish would lead to serious public rebuke to fight against the generally during the 230 years. so using due security sticks, security idealogy to expend, we need islam and lighted by units because it exists there. that's the point your plan, your business,

and it's be very clear. i mean, we were talking about the increase of $11.00 can call islamic terrorism. we're talking about the beheading of school teacher recently, a very horrific crime. and this is what spurred this debate here, but plenty, i mean, you know, there are those that say, this is a crisis of islam. that's an argument you can make, but you can say it's a crisis of liberalism too. and i think it's peace because there's a crisis of liberalism and it doesn't understand how it's destroying a political culture. because if you don't have respect for your own political culture, why should you expect immigrants have respect or go ahead and i think it's important their point that not only got this is not only his initiative it, well, not all alger islamic terrorism. it's also counter fundamental list ideas which are not compatible with french culture and values. and this actually looks

like another step in this oh, this repudiation of the functioning of multiculturalism is essentially based on the basic idea that you need to recognize that there is one culture set. a cultural norms and values at the society should be able to organize around again if, if they say there isn't. so then you can truly complain if some people could just lump all over french, or if a, if you think there are argue that the whole is different cultures which you should not respond more or less atomically without, without it being under the same phone number. ella, and interestingly this is a very much sure what's micron's about it would be a very conservative argument, was exactly what a human beings are. very much organizing in groups that were tribal. and their role of state is to make the states 11 tribe in the role of their government. this should make sure that this does not take on

a biliteral of form where we become sort of folk force. i think it was our other tribes still form for minting a common national identity of all living without in those borders wants a cultural norms and values which it all and race does some very reasonable approach to take up. i guess you're right. i mean, this kind of conservative i did that we do do need to uniform around. yes. a certain shared ideas at this impedes on the idea that the liberal should stand all of us own. it should not be constrained by any. and it was our so-called indoctrination of culture. so you do have to have a balance between the individual ism and effects of the recognising that humans do belong to collect it. we organize the tribes to large extent, and if not succumb liberalism, you might get a struggling. that was the idea that it could dismantle the tribe. i think there's now seeing, namely, that education tends to break into smaller tribes where people associate with

different values and identities which aren't linked to this government state in a more they were the nation, i think is where often a lot of this problem is begin to emerge and again is, oh, yeah, this actually is a rice problem in france. sold soley at the feet of the sonic state islamic faith doesn't seem really fair. rather it said it but your point is very well taken. a great if you look like i'm not attacking islam here at all when i'm talking. it's not a new liberalism and that the an ideology, you know, well, you know, you know what kind of bouncing off what glenn had to say here. you know, you know, they're having liberalism in its attempt to create a, a try in there where you have the miliary. i would go further than that. i think that liberalism wants to destroy all ok, no identity and recreate it based on certain laws and civic duties and all that.

people don't think that way. they don't think that way. and this is why this ideology is, is so counterproductive, because when it does is it, you know, you start destroying the assent of a cynic body and then people won't protect that. but then you have a group of people that feel disaffected by that ideology where they ball the ball on their relation. ok, so i mean it's liberalism spot here and i want to make it very clear that none of us on this program and our viewers a tolerate any kind of violence and terrorism like we've seen in europe recently. and that is, it is completely unacceptable. head example, and you know, actually we don't have to forget that the last bullet to us in france was built by the legal roads, complete dish on participating in one side, if you want to educate the society. we're good. most of the western country, all the new rights mean ratings for gays in any kind of

freedom and they wanted it and you know, no cite on this. you know, 10 country, they imported it, maybe 10 millions of people are trying to figure out if you go or if we go, we're aren't his book relation are considered you can tell in school. so it didn't mean that but only 2 completely different society. and actually the people coming from that i think, you know, they hate when they see not only the slum, but you know, for the question of for recreation, the relation seeing of this waiting for isn't acceptable. so i try to do them sarah, through a t.v. situation on the mainland that everything is possible that there is no, i don't think you can really do it. now you don't let people from who go there, read the books. and if you go and created social problems or rude people,

and you do the right to do what you were moser. and so once once or there's a creative insurance society that's going to work, that's what we're actually and we were talking about you want to talk about open source, the problem. i have no idea i've read, you know, if you went to dinner and it did, then they heard this argument many years ago in the united states. that demographics is destiny. glenn beck day, if that is true here, then what cultural values will dominate. i mean, you, you have to have an organizing principle for a functioning society. ok, now you can do it through some kind of civic ideas. you can do it through culture. you can do it to a number of ways here, but you have to, it has to be a concerted effort. we're in, i'll use an american political term, a big tent we can bring in enough people here. but if you have an ideology that just says, you know, do whatever you want to do, then people hope do whatever they want to do, and that's not always good. yeah, no,

you know, i guess that's something france also applies to the united states there where it was kind of assumed the democrats said, you know, we were on that. we are the party of the tolerant. there are republicans other races. so we will protect ethnic minorities, but then saying, you know, if you are black, if you're responding, this is your identity. us. what's the fight you? so, you know, you might not, you know, you're your individual perspective song and i can only prosperity or, you know, concerts not, i don't, this matters. and if you don't, if you don't vote for us, then you're speculating. and again, i have a bite and said, you're not really blush if you know it's hard for me because you know that your, your identity groups are what defines you and you have to are accordingly. and you're going to become seriously divisive approach. and all just wanting to go out with, with micron. he said, it's an outtake on you only some of terrorism, if it does, you country lease the mistakes from the international to such an extent. i mean,

the french foreign policy kind of how to reflect their dysfunctions, he has to fight terrorism eternally. i mean, this also pointed out that, yes, that may have been supported more genes and blood and in 1000 eighty's afghanistan . since then, they supported the influx of jihadists in, during the bosnian war, there were still resides there by the way, in the course a whole big converted that terrorist organization surely removed from terrorist list. so there would are costs on the ground in chechnya, other been supporting terrorism in libya. nagel's allied itself with terrorists on the ground. and syria will again be very relevant because now the by just taking control again, is, will want to step up effort in north eastern syria. and if they do it, it and the allies on the ground will do that's going against the syrian government . and the russians, so to what extent did this come back and bite? well, rather than dollars over iraq, where i don't know that you know,

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