election was stolen. to discuss the election and more i'm joined by my guest jen kearns in oklahoma city she is a g.o.p. strategist and host of all american radio with jennifer kearns and in san diego we have laura fink she is a democratic strategist as well as founder and c.e.o. of rebel communications right cross up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to lauren san diego i have presented my introspection that probably the most basic question that needs to be answered at this point do you think it was a free and fair election go ahead laura well as of right now we don't have any evidence of any sort of fraud we have the widest participation in the history of the country i think it was as free as humanly possible and i think what it did was show us that we need to make ballots and balloting more lore accessible and not last in future elections so i think with all of the votes cast it was

a triumph for the american people because they participated and i mean on on both sides on those that voted for track record turnout record number of the things that noted for biden obviously he had a significant edge but also record turnout record number of that's ok been tending to the number of lawsuits being filed and it could cover up to 10 votes so i mean. this is all a fiction this is all made up i mean people have made videos people have made claims people's statements in front of law enforcement which could be you know either a misdemeanor or felony assault i mean there is i guess the used to help raise that mean there's a little bit of smoke here is there some fire. oh there absolutely is a fire and you know it has to work its way through the courts and at look i mean we're an instant gratification society and i think that's fine see joe biden supporters who are going out into the streets and that's racist networks i declare

and major in there but there are some very serious lanes you compare this to the bush versus gore case in 2000 that was not educated into the december 12th of 2000 i mean think of how far right we are from that day and that case was over one shouty and less than 500 votes here and that is a stark contrast to what i've been working my sources where the trump legal team is you reality seen in or out at least they say 300 and sounds and ballots and answering a lot on their app question that may have been counted after the 8 pm lawful deadline on election night so that may not i personally have written an investigative story on nearly 4000 ringback people in las vegas who are on the experian credit bureau dead list and haven't moved out of the state now that it

will we bounce that against the voter rolls of you who voted nearly 4000 people in this state and about it are too good and that's just my report there are a poor he to campaign hundreds of people who ringback come forward and at this moment peter there are hundreds of people who signed affidavits their name and their life on the line at come forward and say there was inappropriate loading potential fraud idols of a senate you know las vegas where my own parents used to lay. did said they serve people where they took the ballot to the good ballot box and asked the other if they could see their grandmother had voted because their grandmother rest and it's a silly. he says that she vows election and sure enough the grandmother and said there is i believe there are some fire we have to let that bill were processed and here's what i think the mainstream media has and they separate right it's

a person out for a huge disappointment if this test translate because their 1st trial has stolen the election from what will have been 10 and laura i think that's the problem that we all face that. either side you know whoever wins that there's going to be the target is the election being stolen and that's really setting very dangerous ok well laura one of the things i don't understand i think it's counter-intuitive why doesn't joe biden and his campaign now mount force me and say yes it's an estate all of these claims and listen to and talk to all of these people because and you come out in this are saying for transparency sake ok what light is of the the campaign i'm a whore for sleep that way because they have the most to gain i would go ahead more well i think they have the math on their side and so i don't think you need to follow up as as as my lawyer friends would santa got $25.00 in a can you can file

a lawsuit and so so far all of the things that janice talking about there has not been evidence forward and submitted to the court you have to have evidence for your lawsuit to move forward and we stopped out of the lawsuits that have been filed officially i'll let you out of 3 were rejected rejected as having no evidence the one that the trump campaign when she said that there are observers which were presidents were could move a little bit closer to the people counting the ballots so not a result of victory and not not not impacting the outcomes so right now so far it's all smoke and mirrors while we're on the smoke metaphor by the truck campaign and then the goal is to fault it's not to win in court because i can't make any lawyer worth their salt they're just next case here where they would have printed presented all of this instead. actual evidence that's a legend's who exists it really is a p.r. war casting a legitimacy on b. election really riling up the base giving them these pieces of just information so that they can move forward and feel that even though their candidate lost the

election was stolen from them always knowing that under oath. but under multi-million that undermines democracy but that is the goal because i haven't seen these receipts i haven't seen this evidence and the courts haven't seen them because these cases are not proceeding they are getting so far rejected out of hand yes but more and gen their no one has been elected no one has won and no one has lost gen i find it unconscionable irresponsible and that's the media the media doesn't care who's president and this is this you know just lighting the public when we went yes that's true when the electors sit down of the electro college and they vote that we have here we have a transition team it is quite every election if there are no not when it's fraught not when it's frocked ok this is a fraud election and i find it very yeah i see a problem what evidence because i didn't hear because we don't have the evidence of a winner or loser and get ok we have the advantage of

a winner we don't have evidence of this fraud we have no evidence being put forward we have no witnesses talking to cameras we have no we have we have just like a should have known or louisiana and doesn't have the right doesn't have any legal right to call an election ok jenny how do you see the meet because of this just gaslighting people there making the situation worse. well you know this laura says you know if you have the math then you don't need to investigate that brought this is i think that's not what i heard as i said you had to have evidence i did not say i said we had to match don't conflate those are 2 separate data and again you don't have it if you have the math you got me to follow up on the set no i didn't buy it that's not shout out here this exact problem if the democrats did in fact stuff the ballot box as they appear to do you are saying that you know it out yet rudy giuliani there were not i had an early night out here in the dark and i'm filled up

yes i'm sorry i was really doing under there and there are so there were actually a 169000 ballots they can never have a happy hour abbie seems so what that will challenge the age where everyone has a cell phone if they didn't keep machine or has the record here we'll be able to tell i piecing together. the public who saw this ballot counting and all right that's where it went and that will start being that case will start being made in court today so they didn't argue that you can't go around gates here and for more of that i'm just going to try to still be here but obviously we're making up lies not employ a clock and rudy giuliani's or so on a witness o'connell's your guy i don't hang on i don't like it when someone calls someone a liar on this program ok we have we have was we have procedures and people are making claims that's why we have the laws and that's why we have the procedures i

say nothing wrong in investigating them you're not ration day is down the road we have time and that's why we have these procedures because in my place to have been stymied i'm going to end this here ok i think most think that you know most people want to know who won and we have this mechanism to get there and i think that's. very reasonable wage were pro-choice why can't you laura why can't you just say yeah we just let it go let it go to the courts because well it will be honest you believe you have the map on your side you have the theory of how peter it will go to the courts it will go to the courts and it will proceed in all of this allege and cell phone videos and rudy giuliani is the star witness may come forward and so far the courts have rejected 2 out of 3 cases i was objecting to it moving forward i'm not objecting to the president trying to exhaust in his legal remedies what i am saying is that that when you when you allege sayings that are that are truly have no basis in evidence you don't put forward the evidence along with your names

in the data well you're right i have jen i have it let me finish i haven't seen the evidence because you haven't shown any it's simply just a lot of talk it's not in talk with no evidence and so if you had every sunday night could come forward to 200100 call just a minute. or had laura i think i just i just want to say if you have the evidence you would put it forward and we'd be talking about that evidence and we talk we be talking about the litany of it are just are we have have our doubt i but i'm not going to go on your word when i why if there were hundreds of thousands of ballots of voter fraud you should have some evidence of that and instead what we're hearing from campaign officials saying as well we need to look a little harder so maybe find this evidence i mean i'm not part of that is it because as i watched it on fire it's the killer of our object that the courts are exact but in the meantime our democracy is being undermined when we do see that by

the math joe biden has won. by the by a democrat slightly now is how i played so when i left they don't know you go right to its share of agony and over the weekend they owe it to exist any american people to share in the court of law x. why don't you wait here in about an hour starting a american corpses and let i just gave your example i published up on my right of the voter file not saying that a clark county and lost their county in reno to get that experience credit list there were nearly 4000 people and i'm just one person decided to do the work on that station and i haven't said it but overall i found it to them that how many other cases are there we don't know but will see that if you take a tour of the back to peter slight let their electoral college doesn't even re-enter this into the center for t.v. that is their duty i predict peter and i want to jump ahead your prediction you

will see the cases are going by the way you will see the light bulb start to gather in the coldest sacks told us that every electoral college elector and every secretary of state who cares to not certify this job i think that's what's happening and believe me the crowds that are out d.n.c. around and having fun on saturday are just like those who turned my life in a heartbeat because that's how the democratic party operates not going to get into our great leader but you have to say they have a lot of practice during the summer here ok i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and i think that's all right we'll continue our discussion on the election as they are. but the demick no certainly no borders i'm just delighted to announce another tease

. you. know so much we don't come with the we don't look like she the whole world beats to be the chief . judge of. commentary crisis that is listening to. we can do better we should. everyone is contributing each of our own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenges created the response has been much so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together. let's compare biden he comes into office potentially and this means that i believe we're going to see

a repeat of 2008 remember obama took office and because obama was a pretty young guy at the time and didn't come through financing he was. a law student and very good with constitutional law but he didn't know anything about wall street he kind of threw the keys of wall street over larry summers and all these other folks and they went to head and they created the global financial crisis. after a fact that seemed to benefit they can tell you there's in a remarkable way remember the billionaires after the 2008 crisis all quite drupal and or more of their wealth while a move fast waves of american population went bankrupt or lost their house so i'm pretty sure going to see a repeat of that by. welcoming to cross some where all things are considered i'm reminded discussing the election .

ok let's go back to laura laura what i think for a lot of trump voters if they that they look how particularly the media and obviously the democrats treated trump and his administration there's a whole lot of lack of faith here ok we went through this russia gate hoax we went through this impeachment hoax and then there's there's i just i'm giving a perception ok i'm giving a perception ok and so when it comes down to this when when when people are presented and we need evidence for i'm going to go and jen hopefully and her friends can generate and but you know when ballots come out of nowhere or housings of ballots they have the president being voted for and i think i mean if you listen discover if that's true but can't you at least concede that you have

a lot of trump voters seeing how their guy was treated for 4 years and they look at this is that something is something that's akin to a 2nd to impeachment i mean can you at least give credence how they may feel i can concede that no one likes to lose an election and and i can conceive that but it doesn't equal and you didn't see hillary clinton supporters legin widespread voter fraud big 7 think that it was authentic and it was not right that they came out and so let's listen i am not going to litigate every trump you know scandal that he fomented that were based on his own actions so but what i will say is that you know in america we cast power from one party to the other we've done it time and again and it's a we're a stone of our democracy which means that when you're just appointed an election doesn't mean you have a right to change the results because you're upset that your guy ritchie's you and that's and that is one of the most americans that we have that exists in our

country i mean it's a fundamental american principle show and so what i what i would say. is that we have to accept the results of this election and just say i mean one of the most serious things to me if there is this widespread voter fraud is how the democrats didn't manage to take the senate time and again the republican senators were reelected and mitch mcconnell can see it's a whole the range of the senators that some real service you can go to try to talk about it that i'd only exists in places where there is a narrow election count and somehow trump lost should you know this is a magic this is a magic are not the republicans are so great when you're credence to doubt because you know all the polls were you know lindsey graham was on his last leg eccentrics cedric and then then actually there was no blue wave at all the republicans actually did really well considering everything it's just the for the presidency and that's what a lot of people are and are curious about generally i don't understand it but i think they look at how do you not acknowledge snow but he just sat in the weeds but he's there that's what makes up

a lot of people very curious there i mean if all of these polls are often the the republicans actually get really fight well and they say well then there was no doubt that there was no down take effect you know i mean that's kind of odd that so all i want is evidence to present to me you know were they had 3 years of rush again i just said what's the evidence they never came up with any evidence and so i mean you demand evidence of this net and right now you're not demanding evidence now and then your state then there's a system and there are laws and jen and and people like are given the opportunity to go and peter your colleagues are showing no i go by the law i emotion ok jeff you have that that's a great point like i don't respect the results of the election if the election lest you late. duly process it here saying it's not about her feelings is actually slightly better for my business model to not have tried in office for the next 4 years and i know it's. just speaking as

a political consultant celeb this is not hers. yes this is about the american system and sharing their checks and balances work really just pointed out overnight that the boxer joe frazier you know. some years passed was actually seen on voter rolls and silly ad boated as was will smith's grandmother i mean these are just random examples and i just have to say are now they are and so is everybody giuliani or else it isn't legal or if these folks are showing as have been noted there are hundreds of thousands more and rudy giuliani says there are 350000 you know that when you have a leave rudy giuliani i have a bridge in new jersey with chris christie governing get to sell you chris christie had nothing to do with rudy giuliani that phrase not at present friends campaign team it's funny how democrats don't like rudy giuliani and they love him for that

a jacket anyone any your reality administration and your city will tell you no rudy has time to go you know what i am the left wing of the party has really had and say this is the man you as a u.s. attorney who are over details of cases has tried to detonate hundreds of cases in the course of the 7 all eyes are on rudy giuliani this is going to be nothing short of the o.j. simpson trial i think peter this will be televised or in a day and some courts that allow cameras in there and if it's not allowed inside the courtroom you will see a presentation by rudy giuliani on the steps of all the square houses they have evidence they have no responsibility to share with the needy at that your threat against them or any state certified any election but they will be if you can see this in court and again remember that december 12th date and bush versus gore well yesterday the night where a lot of the way baby and so that date so let me added speed and let the court

trials begin and i think we're. has he had nightmare that happened in philadelphia in the darkest nights and a lot of americans don't appreciate their being disenfranchised because for every voter that commits fraud and and yet challenge it that's why i know while driving and yes exhausted from the lack of damage and. rudy giuliani the only i don't know what i have to agree and i think giuliani leading the charge it's precarious at best ok rudy is is good what he did and what he does he's happy ok and he's good at it ok and this is too important for the american people in my opinion and i want to play and how do you know not just when he says the more territory when it's over someone here please you know i'm glad that laura brought about the peaceful transition of power can happen in the 100 for the 1st time going to set a tradition that we all admire ok and if this point in time the country has so

developed divided here what are what's going to happen if we if there isn't a consensus or who won the election here you brought up the word emotion yes there's a lot of emotion on all sides ok but it what i find it really tragic that we're in an environment where there's so much so many doubts about how institutions are run and by whom here do you think that we're we can tell that we still transition of power that started in $800.00 so going to happen in 2021. 0 i believe that the forces of democracy will overcome whatever forces. right or forces trump decides to you know the 3 that in and that morning because i can't predict what he's going to do but i know that the institutions remain and and the systematic undermining of american institutions is at the hands of this president and certainly he's not i would give him credit he's done an incredibly successful job and undermining authority and undermining sort of the american institutions that we

that we rely upon to do things like the peaceful transition of power so so will it be in spite of trying absolutely will it happen absolutely ribbit chan we have hillary clinton to quote reelection telling joe biden not to except. that not to make any kind of concession you know and then donald trump was accused in 2016 of not accepting the electoral outcome hillary clinton still hasn't made me she thinks she's still president for something like that and then you have that you can break into our system you made up that say it's not it's and you made a statement i think it's easily refuted ok we look at what the f.b.i. did to the truck campaign destroying institutions what was the f.b.i. in the intelligence community doing meddling in that election year that's the kind of institutional where you are taking a i'm talking about there were 2 and what you see also i mean you know you have all these anonymous sources and it was these are people in state institution constantly

attacking the administration so you know you know that's a bit rich blaming you i don't relate it gate receipts or anyplace because of the u.k. my hands and asked her to show biden to be investigated with our american tax dollars and as far as conference i mean i can't talk about hunter's laptop but go ahead jim . well rudy can help you i think that i can you can hear the question peter i mean i'm just saying is that if you want to you know anyone pointing the finger about. hurting the integrity of institutions i mean that the democrats have a lot to answer for a whole lot and ask really sanders what he thinks about how the democratic party it's from go ahead john. ok i mean look they they have donald trump so far in this election what he did to bernie sanders not once but twice by putting the establishment candidate into place and let again this is not about her feelings and this is about what i believe i do think if it is

a screw minute he lost gracefully exit he has much more to do in this like he can go start from where she actually wanted to do in a regular child 60 i think he actually had a better place for that now and again you know then jan i get it now that you mention it i think he would run a t.v. station better than the united states of america as a late night early lot of other people get on him well i think it costs a lot but he could certainly do that for a 1000000 people left faith fox news's basically yesterday all out in hardware crasher me so there's certainly a market there he did all that well and start truck happy and make and have much less responsibility and a lot more fun during that rallies population so this isn't about i owed you what's donald trump going to do that loses this is about the sanctity of our american democracy and i can tell you i was just in secretary of state or california on a small team of 6 or 7 people were charged with ensuring be integrity at the

election and ensure any tyree of every single error was someone in south south central los angeles who had been disenfranchised we sent a team to go investigate that one vote and i didn't i have time to i'm going to add up the boats and i say arguing has to stop the count and you're synchronizing everybody knows and he wants the votes to count in some places and not in other places ok. i don't know what about parenting i mean you know we you know we in the theory as we have only 30 seconds up here is that they claim that they they they were looking for a certain number of votes where they needed to win ok that's the claim that they're making. ok i don't know the thing is that we're all talking about john you probably know more physical evidence that certainly than i do here and in the last 15 seconds here i want to bring us together and hope that they get a winner that people can believe then and maybe start afresh next year but i don't

think it's going to happen ok i don't want people to say not my president that's what they did to try if it spiked i hope it doesn't happen to him as all the time we have i want to thank my guests i want to or if you are watching us here are you see you next time remember. you can. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. this is a story of women women with troubled histories and complex court cases you know some really believe. i was out there. who were not. the

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