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to discuss the election and more i'm joined by my guest, jen kearns in oklahoma city. she is a g.o.p. strategist and host of all american right. you know, with jennifer kearns and in san diego, we have laura fink, she is a democratic strategist, as well as founder and c.e.o. of rebel communications. right? cross up rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. ok, let's go to laura in san diego. i have presented my introspection the best that probably the most basic question that needs to be answered at this point. do you think it was a free and fair election? go ahead laura. well, as of right now, we don't have any evidence of any sort of fraud. we have the widest participation in the history of the country. i think it was this free as humanly possible. and i think what it did was show us that we need to make ballots and balloting more, more accessible and not last in future elections. so i think with all of the votes cast, it was

a triumph for the american people because they participated. and i mean on both sides and those that voted for track record turnout, record number of slots, and those that voted for biden, obviously had a significant as a but also record turnout. record number of that's ok. been standing there, the number of lawsuits being filed and it could cover up to 10 it's. so i mean, this is all a fiction. this is all made up. i mean, people have made videos. people have made claims people's statements or in front of law enforcement that which could be, you know, either a misdemeanor or felony it's, i mean there is, i guess the used to raise that. mean there's a little bit of smoke here, is there some fire? oh, there absolutely is a fire and you know, it has to work its way through the courts and at look, i mean, we're an instant gratification society and i think that's fine. see joe biden, supporters who are going out into the streets and that's racist networks. i declare

in beijing there, but there are some very serious leak out if you compare this to the bush versus gore case in 2000, that was not educated into the december 12th of 2000. i mean think of how far we are from that day. and that case was over one shouty and less than 500 votes here. and that is a stark contrast to what i've been working. my sources where the trump legal team is you reality seen even now, at least they say 300 and sounds and ballots and answering a lot on their app question that may have been counted after the 8 pm lawful deadline on election night. so that may not. i personally have written an investigative story on nearly 4000. ringback people in las vegas who are on the experian credit bureau dead list and having moved out of the state now that it will, we bounce that against the voter rolls of you who voted nearly 4000 people in this

state. and in a matter of arch about it and that's just my report. there are a poor he to campaign hundreds of people who. ringback come forward and add this moment peter. there are hundreds of people who signed affidavits, their name and their life on the line at come forward and say there was inappropriate loading, potential fraud, idols of a senate, you know las vegas where my own parents used to lay did said they serve people where they took the ballot to the good ballot box and asked the other if they could see their grandmother had voted because their grandmother rest and it's a silly he has insisted she vows election. and sure enough the grandmother and said, there is, i believe there are some fire we have to let that bill were processed. and here's what i think the mainstream media has sent. they set provides a person for

a huge disappointment. if this test translate, because their 1st trial has stolen the election from what will have been 10 and laura, i think that's the problem that we all face, that either side, you know, whoever wins that there's going to be charged him with the election being stolen and that's really setting very dangerous. ok, well or one of the things i don't understand. i think it's counter-intuitive. why doesn't joe biden? and his campaign now mount force me and say, yes, it's an estate. all of these claims and listen to and talk to all of these people because and you come out in this are saying for transparency sake, ok, what like this of the, the campaign i'm a whore for sleep that way because they have the most to gain. i would go ahead more. well, i think they have the math on their side and so i don't think you need to follow up as, as, as my lawyer friends would sank. you got 25 dollars in a can, you can file a lawsuit. and so, so far all of the things that janice,

talking about there has not been evidence forward and submitted to the court. you have to have evidence for your lawsuit to move forward and we stopped out of the lawsuits that have been filed. officially i'll show you, i did 3 were rejected, rejected as having no evidence. the one that the trump campaign, when she said that there are observers which were present were one, could move a little bit closer to the people, counting the ballots. so not a result of victory and not not, not impacting the outcome. so right now, so far it's all smoke and mirrors while we're on the smoke metaphor by the truck campaign. and the goal is to fault. it's not to win in court because i can't make any lawyer worth their salt. they're just next case here, where they would have printed presented all of this. instead, actual evidence, that's a legend's who exists? it really is a p.r. war, casting it legitimacy on b. election really riling up the base, giving them these pieces of just information so that they can move forward and feel that even though their candidate lost the election was stolen from them. always not that under oath, but under multi-million,

that undermines democracy. but that is the goal because i haven't seen these receipts. i haven't seen this evidence and the courts haven't seen them because these cases are not proceeding. they are getting so far rejected out of hand. yes, but more and jen their no one has been elected. no one has won and no one has lost jan. i find it unconscionable and irresponsible and that's the media. the media doesn't care who's president and this is this, you know, just lighting the color when we went, yes, that's true. when the electors sit down of the electro college and they vote that we have here, we have a transition team. it is quite every election as i know, not when it's frocks, not when it's frocked. ok. this is a fraud election and i find it very. yeah, i see a problem. what evidence? because i didn't hear because we don't have the evidence of a winner or loser and get ok. we have the evidence of a winner. we don't have evidence of this fraud. we have no evidence being put

forward. we have no witnesses talking to cameras. we have no, we have, we have just like a tsunami or louisiana and doesn't have the right. doesn't have any legal right to call an election. ok jenny, how do you see the meat? because of this just gaslighting people there making the situation worse. well, you notice a laura says, you know, if you have that map, then you don't need to investigate that brought this is, i think that's not what it was. i said you had to have evidence. i did not say i said we had to match don't conflate, those are 2 separate things. and again, you don't have it. if you have to match to follow up on the set. no, i didn't buy it, you know, it's not shared problem here. this exact problem, if the democrats did in fact stuff, the ballot box as they appear to do you are saying that you know it out yet rudy giuliani, they were not hired and 39000 kids are i'm filled up. yes. i'm sorry. i was really

doing under there, and there are so there were actually a 169000 ballots. they can never have a happy hour gap between what that will tell an age where everyone has a cell phone. if they didn't keep machine or cuts the record here, we'll be able to tell it like piecing together public policies that are coming in, all right, that's what you want. and that will start being that case will start being made in court today. so they didn't argue that you can donate here and for more of that i'm just going to try to still be here. but obviously we're making up lies that employ a clock and rudy giuliani's or so on. a witness o'connell's, your guy i don't hang on. i don't like it when someone calls someone a liar on this program. ok? we have, we have walls, we have procedures and people are making claims. that's why we have the laws and that's why we have the procedures. i say nothing wrong in investigating them. you

knock aeration day is down the road we have time and that's why we have these procedures because in my place to have been stymied, i'm going to end this here. ok. i think most think, you know, most people want to know who won and we have this mechanism to get there. and i think that's very reasonable wage war pro-choice. why can't the war, why can't you just say, yeah, we just let it go, let it go to the courts because well, it will get you noticed you believe you have the map on your side. you have the theory of the future. it will go to the courts, it will go to the courts and it will proceed in all of this alleged cell phone videos and rudy giuliani is the star witness may come forward. and so far the courts have rejected 2 out of 3 cases. i was objecting to it moving forward. i'm not objecting to the president trying to exhaust in his legal remedies. but what i am saying is that, that when you, when you allege sayings that are, that are truly have no basis in evidence, you don't put forward the evidence along with your names and the data. well, you're right, i have, i have it,

let me finish. i haven't seen the evidence because you haven't shown any. it's simply just a lot of talk going around in talk with no evidence. and so if you had there is not very good going forward. 10900000 acres or had laura and i, i just, i just want to say if you had the evidence, you would put it forward and we'd be talking about that evidence and we talked about, you'd be talking about the litany of it. i just, mara, we have have our doubt i but i'm not going to go on your word when i why, if there were hundreds of thousands of ballots of voter fraud, you should have some evidence of that. and instead what we're hearing from campaign officials saying as well, we need to look a little harder. so maybe i missed evidence. i mean, i'm not part of that. is it? because as i watched it on fire it's killer project that the courts are exact. but in the meantime, our democracy is being undermined when you do see that by the math, joe biden has one but it democrats like a nap,

is how i played. so when i left, they don't know you to use or i didn't share added over the weekend, they owe it to a judge and american people to share in a court of law x. . why don't you wait here in about an hour starting a it the american courts and let ice skater example i publish up on my right at the voter file, an operation that a clerk out and watch said, county in reno to get that experience credit list there were nearly 4000 people and i just want her sent, you just cited you that the work on that station is right. but overall on it did the math. how many other cases are there? we don't know, but will see that if you take a tour of the back to peter slight lead their electoral college doesn't even re-enter this into the center for t.v. . that is their duty. i predict peter and i want to jump ahead your prediction. you

will see it chases are going by the rate you will see the lightning start to gather in the cul de sacs holds us back and every electoral college elector and every secretary of state who cares to not certify the state for july that slips counting and believe me, the crowds that are out d.n.c. around and having fun on saturday are just like those who turned my life in a heartbeat as that is how the democratic party operates. not going to comment against our great leader, but you have to say they had a lot of practice during the summer here. ok, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break and i think that's all right. we'll continue our discussion on the election as they are

tactics that can be used to get innocent people to confess, to crimes. they didn't commit. i don't even think people in the us really get that the police are allowed to lie to the person who falsely confessed, actually came to believe the lie that they were told about their own behavior. once a false confession is taken,

the case is closed and nobody really can tell the difference between a good confession. then one that is a welcoming to cross for all things are considered. i'm remind you we're discussing the election. ok, let's go back to laura. laura, what i think for a lot of trump voters, if they that they look how, particularly the media and obviously the democrats treated trump and his administration. there's a whole lot of lack of faith here. ok. we went through this russia gate hoax. we went through this impeachment hoax and then there's, there's, i just, i'm giving a perception. ok, i'm giving a perception. ok. and so when it comes down to this,

when, when, when people are presented and we need evidence for, i'm going to go and jen, hopefully, and her friends can generate and, but you know, when ballots come out of nowhere or housings of ballots, they have the president being voted for and i think if you listen discover if that's true, but can't you at least concede that you have a lot of trump, voters seeing how their guy was treated for 4 years and they look at this? is that something is something that's akin to a 2nd to impeachment? i mean, can you at least give credence how they may feel? i can concede that no one likes to lose an election and, and i can concede that, but it doesn't equal. and you didn't see hillary clinton supporters as legin, widespread voter fraud, big 7, think that it was authentic and it was not right that they came out. and so let's listen. i am not going to litigate every trump, you know, scans all,

that he fomented that were based on his own actions. so, but what i will say is that, you know, in america we cast power from one party to the other. we've done it time. and again, and it's a, we're a stone of our democracy, which means that when you're just appointed an election doesn't mean you have a right to change the results because you're upset that your guy, ritchie's you and that's, and that is one of the most americans are things that we have that exists in our country. i mean it's a fundamental american principle show. and so what i, what i would say is that we have to accept the results of this election and just say, i mean, one of the most serious things to me if there is this widespread voter fraud, is how the democrats didn't manage to take the senate time and again, the republican senators were reelected and mitch mcconnell can see it's a whole the range of the senators that some real sophisticated voter to try to talk about it. that i'd only exists in places where there is a narrow election count. and somehow trump lost if you don't, this is a magic, this is the magic,

are not the republicans are sprinkling your credence to doubt because you know, all the polls were, you know, lindsey graham was on his last leg eccentrics, cedric and then then actually there was no blue wave at all, the republicans actually did really well considering everything. it's just the for the presidency and that's what a lot of people are and are curious about generally i don't understand it, but i think they look at how do you not acknowledge that, but he just sat in the weeds, but he's there. that's what makes up a lot of people very curious there. i mean, if all of these polls are often the, the republicans actually get really fight well and they say, well, then there was no doubt that there was no down take effect. i mean, that's kind of on that. so all i want is evidence to present to me, you know, were they had 3 years of rush again? i just said what's the evidence, they never came up with any evidence. and so i know you demand evidence of this yet, and right now you're not demanding evidence now and then your state, then there's a system and there are laws and jen, and, and people like are given the opportunity to go and peter,

your colleagues are showing no i go by the law. i emotion. ok jeff? yeah, that that's a great point. like i don't respect the results of the election if the election was too late. duly process it here saying it, this is not about her feelings. is actually slightly better for i, this is not all do not have tried in office for the next 4 years, and i know it's just speaking as a political consultant celeb. this is not hers. yes, this is about the american system in and sharing their checks and balances. work really just pointing out overnight that the boxer joe frazier, you know, some years passed was actually seen on the voter rolls and silly ad boated as was will smith's grandmother. i mean, these are just random examples and i just have to say are now they are. and so he's not ready giuliani or else it is

a little these calls are showing as have been noted. there are hundreds of thousands more and rudy giuliani says there are 350000. you know that when you have a leave, rudy giuliani, i have a bridge in new jersey with chris christie governing, get to sell you. chris christie had nothing to do with rudy giuliani. that phrase, not at present from the campaign team. it's funny how democrats don't like rudy giuliani when they lock him for a day job to anyone. any jury alie administration and your city will tell you no. rudy has time to go, you know what i am the left wing of the party has really had and say, this is the man you as a u.s. attorney who are over details of cases has tried to detonate hundreds of cases in the court system. all eyes are on rudy giuliani. this is going to be nothing short of the o.j. simpson trial. i think peter, this will be televised or in a day and some courts that allow cameras in there. and if it's not allowed inside

a courtroom, you will see a presentation by rudy giuliani on the steps of all these courthouses. they have evidence. they have no responsibility to share with anybody at that, your threat against them or any state certified any election, but they will be if you can see this in court. and again, remember that december 12th date and bush versus gore. what is your day and night where a long way, baby, and so that date? so let me added speed and let the court trials begin. and i think we're, has he had nightmare that happened in philadelphia in the darkest nights and a lot of americans don't appreciate their being disenfranchised because for every voter that commits fraud and, and challenge it, that's why now while driving and yet exhausted from the lack of gavin and rudy giuliani, the only i don't know what i have to agree and i think giuliani leading the charge it's precarious at best. ok,

rudy is is good. what he did what he does, he's not ok and he's good at it. ok. and this is too important for the american people in my opinion. and i want to play and i'll be here not just when he says the more territory i want to cover some more here, please. you know, i'm glad that laura brought about the peaceful transition of power and how can he 100 for the 1st time, going to set a tradition that we all admire. ok. and if this point in time, the country has so developed divided here, what are, what's going to happen if we, if there isn't a consensus of who won the election here, you brought up the word emotion. yes, there's a lot of emotion on all sides. ok. but it, what i find it really tragic that we're in an environment where there's so much so many doubts about how institutions are run. and by whom here do you think that we're, we can know that we still transition of power that started in $800.00. so going to happen in 2021 for him. oh,

i believe that the forces of democracy will overcome whatever force is it. right? or forces trump decides to, you know, 3 that in and that morning because i can't predict what he's going to do. but i know that the institutions remain and, and the systematic undermining of american institutions is at the hands of this president. and certainly he's not, i would give him credit, he's done an incredibly successful job and undermining authority and undermining sort of the american institutions that we, that we rely upon to do things like that the solar transition of power. so, so will it be inside of china? absolutely. will it happen? absolutely. ribbit jan, we have hillary clinton took a reelection telling joe biden not to except and not to make any kind of concession, you know. and then donald trump was accused in 2016 of not accepting the electoral outcome. hillary clinton still hasn't made me, she thinks she's still president for something like that. and then you have that you can break into our system, you made up that say it's not, it's and you made

a statement. i think it's easily refuted. ok, we look at what the f.b.i. did to the truck campaign, destroying institutions. what was the f.b.i. in the intelligence community doing, revelling in that election year? that's the kind of institutional wearing a jockey. and i'm talking about an hour or 2. and what you see also, i mean, you know, you have all these anonymous sources and it was, these are people in state institution constantly attacking the administration. so i don't, you know, that's a bit rich, claiming you are relating gate receipts or anyplace or calls that the u.k. my hands and asked her to show biden, to be investigated with our american tax dollars. and as far as i'm french, i mean i can't talk about hunters laptop, but go ahead jim. well, rudy can help you. i think that i can get it here questioning or. i mean, i'm just saying is that if you want to, you know, anyone pointing the finger about hurting the integrity of institutions. i mean that

the democrats have a lot to answer for a whole lot and ask any sanders what he thinks about how the democratic party it's from. go ahead, john. ok. i mean look they, they have donald trump so far in this election. what he did to her and sanders not once but twice by putting the establishment candidate into place and lead again, this is not about her feelings, and this is about what i believe. i do think if it is true minute, he lost gracefully exit. he has much more to do in this, like he can go start from where she actually wanted to do in a regular child 16. i think he actually had a better place for that now and again, you know, then jan i get it now that you mention it. i think he would run a t.v. station better than the united states of america as a late night early lot of other people get on. well, i think it costs a lot, but he could certainly do that for a 1000000 people. let's face it. fox news is based yesterday all on. 5 hardware,

crasher, he needs are certainly a market there. he did all that well and start truck, happy make and have much less responsibility and a lot more fun doing that rallies population. so this isn't about i owed you. what's donald trump going to lose is this is about the sanctity of our american democracy. and i can tell you, i was just in secretary of state for california on a small team of 6 or 7 people were charged with ensuring be integrity at the election. and ensure any tyree of every single terrorist, someone in south south central los angeles who had been disenfranchised. we sent a team to go investigate that one vote. and i didn't, i have time to, i'm going to add up the boats. and i say arguing has to stop the count and you're synchronizing. everybody knows and he wants the votes to count in some places and not in other places. ok. i don't know. what about parenting? i mean, you know, we, you know, we, in the theory as we have only 30 seconds up here is that they claim that they,

they were looking for a certain number of votes where they needed to win. ok, that's the claim that they're making. ok, i don't know, the thing is that we're all talking about jane. you probably know more physical evidence of that certainly than i do here. and in the last 15 seconds here, i want to bring us together, and i hope we get a winner that people can believe in and maybe start afresh next year. but i don't think it's going to happen. ok, i don't want people to say not my president, so they did to try it, but spike and i hope it doesn't happen to him all the time we have. i want to thank my guests. i want to, or viewers are watching us here. are you see you next time? remember elwood? forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. i robot must

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