i was a public defender in manhattan here in new york city for about 3 years. and we saw a lot of police misconduct. do you know we were doing arraignments up until 1 am in the morning and you see people beat up or, you know, people whose cases get dismissed who get no compensation. so my husband and i left the legal aid society with the hopes of doing civil rights work. my name is distinguished professor of psychology at john jay college of criminal justice. once a false confession is taken, the case is closed, nobody really can tell the difference between a good confession and one that is a problem with all of this is that that can be used to get innocent people. and i don't just mean vulnerable, innocent people. i mean people who are sitting around the world to confess to crimes. they didn't commit.

2 any time you do an exoneration case where there's been a false confession, it's like trying to write a try, so everybody's already against you. the person's been convicted by a jury charge things he's guilty. the jury thinks he's guilty. now you have to convince everybody that they're wrong. so ok, so you're deeply rested and is a case of an alien ship who has been in prison for 20 years. renee lynch was a case we took about 2 and a half now maybe 3 years ago. now, and she accused and convicted of killing her landlord in buffalo,

new york in 1900. and it's also obviously a false confession case. the police are going crazy and they can't solve it 18 months go by. and renee's connection to the victim was that it was her landlord. and so they are start looking into renee, who at the time was heavily addicted to drugs crack cocaine. and because she gets arrested for something else and they start interrogating her. and she confesses to killing her landlord with this guy karim. so she says, kareem, and i went to my landlord's house, we were going to rob her. the robbery goes bad and karim stabs her, so it can make it a felony, murder being present during the commission of a crime, and somebody gets killed. we started sort of doing, you know, just regular google searches on the players' names and detectives and everything in

this t.v. show and women behind bars comes up and they've done an episode case where they got in the, in the prison and interviewed her. and then interviewed this joseph court was the cop on the case. the way her body was time to go. in truth, i believe her confession is kind of nonsense. there's inconsistency between the physical evidence and what she says. and during the show he says, well, i mean, we knew that corinne walker was in florida at the time of our crime. kareen was in florida at the time i guess they knew kareem walker was in florida at the time the crime then rene's confession can't possibly be true because she's confessing to going to rob the landlord with kareem and the defense been able to put that on her confession would have made no sense, but the defense was never the

whole thing is so full of holes and so bogus. like i can't put my finger out and say like, you know, this is the thing, but i think if we dug in it, we could find that thing that could get her out because it's all it's just all of it. so it's messed up. how do they record this confession? i didn't know, i mean, did they make her write a statement? they typed it up and then read it to her and made her sign it. so there is a type of confession is the only version of confession. there's no like original notes they have or something that we wonder about. she says she knew details about the crime scene because they showed her photos of it. details that she know how the body was lying and being shown her those photos of some kind of new evidence that didn't exist at the time of the trial or didn't, didn't exist at the time of the trial,

but it wasn't known. right. and it wasn't presented during the trial and then we have to show that if it had been, could have likely been a different outcome. i think we can, but it's going to be hard. our goal is of course to get renee out of prison. but it can take a really long time, sometimes many years. one of the 1st things we do in cases like this is to comb through the confession and find all the consistencies to clearly show that the confession is false. and if there's a cream walker drove me to 90 longmeadow, and the plan was, i was going to go into the front door and karim was going to come up the back door . he was going to tie her up with a piece of white extension cord that he brought with him at babson time, kareem hit louise in the side of the face. emilie's fell to the floor and kind of

went out. if that happened, he would be standing punching her here right here in the face, he knocked the wig off. a wig landed on the floor in the kitchen, but that's certainly the kitchen. he tried to tie louise up with the plastic already has then cream comes from behind. louise. he stabbed her at least twice. however, we know it's 8 times louise fell to the floor. again. it was a large amount of blood on the floor next to her body. so the only thing she gets right is that the witness knocked off. that there's a plastic cord involved in this case. that's correct. and the phone cord is where the extra d.n.a. is. ringback just in the is jean fisher, byron nelson, rene lynch's attorney. i have a call with her this morning. oh,

good things. 000-000-0000 why? earth are quite high. oh, i know it's hard. for our remaining went to trial. she testified, been very incoherent lee. she was high during the trial. you know, she was not

a good witness for herself. she recanted right away afterwards and her confession is that it was a coerced. when i tops and you know about this, they're like, well, i would never confess when people say i've been talking about this for 30 years and that's the 1st thing. everybody says i get it or wouldn't happen to me. it's not one time the person that gives a false confession. we are all vulnerable to the circumstance of interrogation. we are all there, this untrained detectives, i've spoken to who say i can get anybody to confess to many of the lobos that they have a 95 percent confession, right? conceivable. unless you're a lesser near perfect, at identifying the perpetrator, that is every suspect you identify is the perpetrator, right? if you've got a confession rate at that level, you produce an awful lot of false confessions the renee lynch, when i talked to her about it, she explained to me, i was so shocked that they convicted me. she said, because there was no evidence of a confession so powerful it can stand alone. so here's the jury. on the one hand,

they've got the confessions alone and they've got d.n.a. confessions trumped. the d.n.a. changes everything. and sometimes i've likened the final product of a confession to a hollywood production is scripted by the police theory of the case is rehearsed and then action camera ready to go. and that's when the jury sees, they don't see the whole production, they just see the final. i don't see how a judge or a jury can look past the false confession. is there also the presence we have a number of documented cases in which the person who falsely confessed actually came to believe the lie that they were told about their own behavior. which is

another level of insanity. and some of them believe it for a long time afterwards. right there. here in the melted thompson case, we had he was a danish inturn who came to danish, he was a college student studying to become, a teacher. and he came and interned at i.p.s., which is really, you know, like a $20000.00, a year preschool up the un. and it was a code teacher who accuses me of molesting all the kids in the class. and he's on the cover of the daily news. they take his focus, his facebook profile pictures,

him with his niece on his shoulders. so they put that on the cover of the daily news and write sex monster. and they go arrest him in the morning and bring him into the station and they have a female cop interrogate him. she tells him while, you know, we have video of you molesting these kids, which they had videos, but he's not molesting anybody. so they had this woman who accused him, had taken videos of him in the classroom, interacting normally with children. and so either the cops had watched it or they had watched it and were blatantly lying to him, but there was no video of him molesting kids, but he hears that right. and he thinks holy, well, if i'm on video, i must have done it right. they let him continue to believe this lie that he's caught red handed on tape molesting these kids. and i think that, that, you know, he started, you could tell through the whole, when they finally are recording him, he's doubting himself. you know, he's, he's wondering, did i,

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i'm here because you're in the door and for inappropriate behavior. it was ok. so why don't you tell me privately and how this started, what happened? you know, what you know, well and remember, just have to go through the moments about and then present in the present. and i had taken its place and playing around

insular in my shorts and you know, sort of come forward in that or question where you were going. and so what, when you say gave him pleasure at one time that the central or the end of it would have to be i don't know, you know, a member of it and it's like, is this none of it? and if you read out the statement i did, that's your handwriting. and if i am just waiting over briefly, does it look like it's been changed in any way? and that's your signature. because you write those that are here today, they're going to show you to the camera.

i don't even think people in the us really get that the police are allowed to lie to you. i think most people would think that if i am speaking to a police officer, he's telling me the truth. but now to times, i mean in denmark, it's illegal for the police to lie to you. so he really, i think, was really says extra susceptible to something like that. it took us filing the civil rights suit to even get access to these tapes. the district attorney wouldn't give it to us when the criminal case was pending. we asked the court, we moved for a court order to get it. the judge just wouldn't give it to us. but they sat on these tapes for 8 months. he had this case hanging over his head and they knew that there was nothing in the tapes. right, there was the only evidence there was yes, luckily mel to never got convicted right. we were able to stop it before that happened. but it took, i mean, it almost killed him. sexual abuse involving very young children were brought to the attention

of district attorney's office. to thoroughly investigate and interview children, particularly in this instance, engines and people are willing to dismiss this case after all, and gather in our hands. we have to have

you know, have you ever seen anybody use like a piece of a full court to prop up the way to put it over? just the way forward to i don't know if i have a case where there is a piece of foam cord found inside of it. why would you have a phone cord and lay it on your head to give the league a little for a little weeks. if they're flat, because if there is some proof, then the hair is not like it's just like

a 3 to 4 inches of phone cord. if you were trying to get permission to test all the old evidence for d.n.a. . but to do that, we have to collect as much information about her innocence as we possibly can. go back and interview witnesses documents, go back to the crime scene. i keep coming back to this thing that the cops knew. he was in florida and kept going with the story that they did together like wife, if they know he's in florida, why don't they like your life? you're lying to us because he's in, we know he's in florida. why don't they are confronted by hearsay?

that how can they be permitted to go forward with a serious of a case that they know is not true. name names and trial basically matter. so that's why the trickery and the only way to convict somebody of this was to do it that way. yes. it just makes me so jaded and really disgusted with the district attorney's offices. and i feel like, you know, the, you know, they're supposed to be at the top of the chain right there. it's supposed to be the ones making sure the cops made mistakes or people below the cops made mistakes, then they're the ones who are responsible for fixing it. why not do d.n.a. testing? why not? they were all, we're not infallible. we can all make mistakes. why not check? i mean, her name is going to be in prison for the rest of her life. why not just check? you know, they can never answer that question. so you just end up in court with,

you know, them opposing your motions for d.n.a. testing and unending ability gating instead of working together in rene's case, it's especially frustrating because, i mean, they certainly believe that this was done. not the stabbing was not done by her. so there is this said, i mean they're basically admitting that they have a cold case and there's a murder out there, and they still don't want to do it. you know, it's did 2 people either 2 people or somebody other than renee, committed that crime. and that person is out and about, and d.n.a. contesting could show who they are, but they're still posing as am

you know, the central park jogger case was my 1st interaction with false confessions our firm represented corey wise on his civil rights case way to start i mean, you're diving right into the bed there. you know, the circumstances that play in that case were huge amount of pressure on the police and the authorities to make arrests and make them step forward. 7 years in prison. with one of the most notorious crimes in the history of new york city, it was a crime in which a woman who was a wealthy upper east side investment banker was out jogging and was

dragged into the woods in central park and almost beaten to death. and there was front page news every day, everywhere, and they are out to get arrests and they got him when you get to the false confessions, in that case, it was a classic, you know, mismatch. they were totally overmatched, underrepresented, if represented at all. i don't know what could the core even have anyone in the room with now is going to be 16. so he was considered an adult, sadly. and so his mom was not allowed in there, and they, you know, had given them lawyers, they all waived their, their miranda rights rights . chris says

that it is very, very serious in this neighborhood. we don't know. are there ways any sad for you to say after seeing those stages? i'm sure you can see where this is hard for people to understand how this can produce a confession, something they didn't do. and there really is a complicated story is there is no one reason you know why is

confessed to get out of this bad situation. he was under pressure from many, many hours. he was likely be told that others were giving stories and that to, to cooperate or to go home. and it is very telling in the central park 5 case that every one of them, every one of the boys and every one of the parents who were present were surprised . the boys were arrested after their statements. every one of them i was going home, right? well, you know what, that sounds crazy right here. thought you were gone or confess to a rape and go home. right. but you know that one false confessors were interviewed afterward and they've been exonerated. and the 1st question, everybody wants those, i don't understand why don't you confirm the most typical response? because i want to go back in this and people often say after wards, you know, i was so i figured let's sign this confession.,

you know, we have d.n.a., we're going to send these things claiming they have lost the criminal into submission, right. the person you're talking to is not a criminal, but an innocent person that becomes a promise of future exoneration. makes it easier to control. we're going to do some tests. we're going to take blood samples from a lot of people. i just want to know that if we do that, we will probably get an order to take a sample from you. and then we'll compare the 2 tests very because you're in a position now where you know that there's going to be a match. you better off. tell us about it now or the stairs instead of saying something that's not true or is this one of the

things i think they made you say was that you cut her on the legs? how did you come up with that? i don't know. i don't know, i don't know what you people look for to see whether what we're saying is actually playing out in the real world. and sort of thing to look at would be the u.s. dollar versus the big bear that's going to tell you what's happening in the global economy. if this debt is going to trigger all this money printing the dollar will start to flow and it's already, you know, looking very weak. and i think the last 4 years under they've been able to keep, them propped up. but i think maggot a c.,

a serious decline of a dollar. chinese currency start to really outperform the dollar which will give those will soup will sure. wish to be sure. but how to do w. . clubbable was sure i can board, it doesn't culturally emerged that would have been murdered by hugo. that when us goes all of those who do, because those told me name we will see in the movie is with the we've seen the movie theaters, but it's the most severe. some of it is in your speech. come on and use the i'm the 20th century was thing in or of revolution. the great depression and world wars, the 21st century of mental illness. those aren't my words. that's what surfaced. some psychologists tell us, the only question is, should we accept it as a fact?

or no. he exclaimed joe biden, to be president elect come on group. that's not how it works. final vote tallies, make that determination, and we aren't very close the election for what is the possibility of the country played the election was still this is a story of women. women with troubled histories and complex court cases. you know, some leave out there is the person that hears the cheesiness and they are considered the most dangerous of criminals. she's in a still all the off 23 hours of the day. tell me that it's not enough punishment in the world of women on death row

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