is it this huge of all there's a least 2 seats in the senate that will prove to be the signs easy to get a majority for the republicans in the senate 8 or not. so all very much will depend on the political composition of the us is in the armor of united states, but only good. we look, president biden, and build outs. i knew him when he used to be the vice president or president obama . i think you would be lost all power to wars, european union than it was president. nato has of course, been a sticking point as you were saying there. but another key issue has been the iran nuclear deal. the e.u. has tried to keep that alive, maintaining trade with iran, despite threats from the trumpet, ministration. could we see a softer approach when biden moves into the white house? well, you will try also and be is to make some progress trying to restore 1st of

all a more positive atmosphere between iran and the west. america and europe. and the town one year agreement of the nuclear deal are said also publicly . there was a big mistake in not considering the import, the role the neighbors of iran have to play. but deep lollie, the gulf states. they've failed to be completely sideline to the negotiations. gareth by euro and revile not president, bargain us and not be responsibility trying so you're out of here, but you can see either of us saw your out. there was one of the best friends president drawn during his war here and saw this will be making even more difficult to reengage. god stays up a little bit reconsideration. he for

a ca was iraq. we've been speaking with former foreign minister of evilly franco frattini. thank you for your time and your comments and q. and camera. that's our global news update for this hour. thanks for tuning in a little unwelcome across not raul things are considered. i'm peter labelle, media claim joe biden to be president elect. however, if that's not how it works, final vote tallies make that determination, and we aren't there yet. was the election free and fair?

and what is the possibility? half the country will claim the election was stolen. to discuss the election and more i'm joined by my guest, jenny kerns in oklahoma city. she is a g.o.p. strategist and host of all american radio, with jennifer kearns and in san diego. we have laura fink, she is a democratic strategist, as well as founder and c.e.o. of rebel communications. right, cross talk rules in effect. that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. ok, let's go to lauren san diego. i had resented my introduction to the probably the most basic question that needs to be answered at this point. do you think it was a free and fair election? go ahead, laura. well, as of right now, we don't have any evidence of any sort of fraud. we have the widest participation in the history of the country. i think it was as free as humanly possible. and i

think what he did was show us that we need to make ballots and balloting more, more accessible and not last in future elections. so i think with all of the votes cast, it was a triumph for the american people because they participated, and i mean on both sides and those that voted for track record turnout. record number of the things i discovered for biden, obviously he had a significant as a but also record turnout. record number of that's ok. been tending to the number of lawsuits being filed and it could cover up to 10 months. and so, i mean, this is all a fiction, this is all made up. i mean, people have made videos. people have made claims people's statements in front of one for spent that which could be, you know, either a misdemeanor or felony assault. i mean, there is, i guess the used to raise that mean there's a little bit of smoke here. is there some fire? oh, there absolutely is a fire and you know, it has to work its way through the courts and at look, i mean,

we're an instant gratification society and i think that's fine. see joe biden, supporters who are going out into the streets and best racist networks. i declare in beijing there, but there are some very serious lanes. you compare this to the bush versus gore case in 2000, that was not educated into the december 12th of 2000. i mean think of how far we are from that day. and that case was over one shouty and less than 500 votes here. and that is a stark contrast to what i've been working. my sources where the trump legal team is you reality seen even have at least they say 300 and sounds and ballots and answering a lot on their app question that may have been counted after the 8 pm lawful deadline on election night. so that may not, i personally have written an investigative story on nearly 4000. ringback people in

las vegas who are on the experian credit bureau dead list and haven't moved out of the state now that it will, we bounce that against the voter rolls of you who voted nearly 4000 people in a state in a matter of arch about it. and that's just my report, there are a poor he to campaign hundreds of people who. ringback come forward and add this moment peter. there are hundreds of people who signed affidavits, their name and their life on the line at come forward and say there was inappropriate loading, potential fraud, idols of a senate, you know las vegas where my own parents used to lay did said they serve people where they took the ballot to the book ballot box and asked the other if they could see their grandmother had voted because their grandmother rest and it's a silly he has since the 2000 election. and sure enough the grandmother and said, there is,

i believe there are some fire we have to let that bill were processed. and here's what i think the mainstream media has sent. they separate right. it's a person out for a huge disappointment. if this test translate, because their 1st trial has stolen the election from what will have been 10 and lora, i think that's the problem that we all face, that either side, you know, whoever wins that there's going to be charged him with the election being stolen and that's really setting very dangerous. ok. well laura, one of the things i don't understand, i think it's counter-intuitive. why doesn't joe biden? and his campaign now mount force me and say, yes, it's an estate, all of these claims and listen to and talk to all of these people because and you come out in this are saying for transparency sake, ok, what light is of the the campaign? i'm a whore for sleep that way because they have the most to gain. i would go ahead more . well, i think they have the math on their side and so i don't think you need to follow up

as, as, as my lawyer friends would sank. you got $25.00 in a can, you can file a lawsuit. and so, so far all of the things that janice, talking about there has not been evidence forward submitted to the court. you have to have evidence for your lawsuit to move forward, and we stopped out of the lawsuits that have been filed officially, if you added 3 were rejected, rejected as having no evidence. the one that the trump campaign, when she said that there are observers which were presidents, were, could move a little bit closer to the people, counting the ballots, so not a result of victory and not, not, not impacting the outcomes. so right now, so far it's all smoke and mirrors while we're on the smoke metaphor by the truck campaign. and then the goal is your fault. it's not to win in court because i can't make any lawyer worth their salt. they're just next case here, where they would have printed presented all of this. instead, actual evidence, that's a legend to exist. it really is a p.r. war, casting it legitimacy on b. election. really riling up the base,

giving them these pieces of just information so that they can move forward and feel that even though their candidate lost the election was stolen from them. always knowing that under oath. but under multimillion that undermines democracy, but that is the goal because i haven't seen these receipts. i haven't seen this evidence and the courts haven't seen them because these cases are not proceeding. they are getting so far rejected out of hand. yes. but more and gen their no one has been elected, no one has won and no one has lost gen. i find it unconscionable and irresponsible, and that's the media. the media doesn't care who's president and this is this, you know, just lighting the color when we went, yes, that's true. when the electors sit down of the electro college and they vote that we have here, we have a chance since iraq is quite every election as i know, not when it's frocks, not when it's frocked. ok. this is a fraud election and i find it very yeah. i see

a problem what evidence because i didn't here because we don't have the evidence of a winner or loser and get ok. we have the evidence of a winner. we don't have evidence of this fraud. we have no evidence being put forward. we have no witnesses talking to cameras, we have no, we have, we have just like a should have known or louisiana and doesn't have the right. doesn't have any legal right to call an election. ok jenny, how do you see the meat? because of this, just gaslighting he or they're making the situation worse. well, you know this a laura says, you know, if you have the math, then you don't need to investigate that brought this is i think that's not what i said. you had to have evidence. i did not say i said we had to match don't conflate . those are 2 separate things. and you know, i had it. if you have the math, it got me to follow my niece. no, i didn't buy it. you know, it's not shout out here. this exact problem, if the democrats did in fact step that out, that says if your kid,

you are saying that out yet rudy giuliani. there were not. i had an early night out here in the dark and i'm still, i'm sorry, i was ready to leave under there. and the r.c.c. and there were actually a 169000 ballots. they can never have a happy hour, happy seems. so what that will tell you that age where everyone has a cell phone, if they didn't keep it, shana has the record here. we'll be able to tell it like piecing together the public solace that are coming in. all right, that's what you want. and that will start being that case will start being made in court today. so take it in order that you can donate here. and for more of that, i'm just going to try to still be here. but obviously we're making up lies that employ a clock and rudy giuliani answer, sorry witness. oh girls your guy. i don't hang on. i don't like it when someone calls someone a liar on this program. ok. we have, we have was,

we have procedures and people are making claims. that's why we have the laws and that's why we have the procedures. i say nothing wrong in investigating them. you knock, you ration day is down the road we have time. and that's why we have these procedures because in my place to have evidence, i mean i'm going to end this here. ok. i think most think, you know, most people want to know who won. and we have this mechanism to get there. and i think that's very reasonable way to approach it. why can't you, laura? why can't you just say, yeah, we just let it go, let it go to the courts because well, it will get us. you believe you have the map on your side. you have the theory of how peter it will go to the courts. it will go to the courts and it will proceed. and all of this, the legend, cell phone videos and rudy giuliani is the star witness may come forward. and so far the courts have rejected 2 out of 3 cases. i was objecting to it moving forward . i'm not objecting to president trump exhausting his legal remedies. but what i am saying is that, that when you, when you allege things that are better,

truly have no basis in evidence, you don't put forward the evidence along with your names and the data. well, you're right, i have an agenda, i have it, let me finish. i haven't seen the evidence because you haven't shown any. it's simply just a lot of talk. it's not in talk with no evidence. and so if you had every sunday night could come forward. 220-010-0008 was or had laura and i, i just, i just want to say if you had the evidence, you would put it forward and we'd be talking about that evidence and we talk about you be talking about the lady avatar because marla, we have, have our doubt i but i'm not going to go on your word when i why, if there were hundreds of thousands of ballots of voter fraud, you should have some evidence of that. and instead what we're hearing some campaign officials saying as well, we need to look a little harder. so maybe i missed evidence. i mean, i'm not part of that. is it? because as i watched it on fire, it projects that the courts are exact,

but in the meantime our democracy is being undermined when we do see that by the math, joe biden has one. but i have it democrats in out is how i played the lead lead. they don't know if he used, or i did, cheri added over the weekend, they owe it to asia and american people to share in the court of law x. . why don't you wait here? in about an hour starting a american court system, let ice skater example i publish up on my right of the voter file, an operation that a car and watch said, county in reno to get that experience credit limit. there were nearly 4000 people and i'm just one person who decided to do that the work on that is station and rightly said, but overall on it did the math. how many other cases are there? we don't know, but will see that if you take the back to peter slight, let the electoral college doesn't even re-enter the center for their duty.

i predict peter and i want to jump ahead your prediction. you will see the cases aren't going by. great. you will see the light start to gather in the coldest sacks told us that every electoral college elector and every secretary of state who cares to not certified by that slip county. believe me, the crowds that were out d.n.c. around and having fun on saturday were just like those who turned my life in a heartbeat as that is how the democratic party operates. not going to get into a great leader. but you have to say they had a lot of practice during the summer here. ok, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break now, but that's all right. we'll continue our discussion on the election. say

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welcome back to cross for all things are considered i'm reminded we're discussing the election. ok let's go back to laura laura, what i think for a lot of trump voters, if they that they look how, particularly the media and obviously the democrats treated trump and his administration. there's a whole lot of lack of faith here. ok. we went through this russia gate hoax, we went through this impeachment hoax and then there's, there's, i just, i'm giving a perception. ok, i'm giving a perception. ok. and so when it comes down to this, when, when, when people are presented and we need evidence for, i'm going to go and jen,

hopefully, and her friends can generate and, but you know, when ballots come out of nowhere or housings of ballots, they have the president being voted for and i think if you listen discover if that's true, but can't you at least concede that you have a lot of trump, voters seeing how their guy was treated for 4 years and they look at this? is that something is something that's akin to a 2nd to impeachment? i mean, can you at least give credence how they may feel? i can concede that no one likes to lose an election and, and i can conceive that, but it doesn't equal. and you didn't see hillary clinton, supporters legin widespread voter fraud, big 7, think that it was authentic and it was not right that they came out. and so let's listen. i am not going to litigate every trump, you know, scans all, that he fomented that were based on his own actions. so, but what i will say is that, you know,

in america we cast power from one party to the other. we've done it time. and again, and it's a, we're a stone of our democracy, which means that when you're just appointed an election doesn't mean you have a right to change the results because you're upset that your guy was refused. and that's, and that is one of the most americans that we have that exists in our country. i mean, it's a fundamental american principle show. and so what i, what i would say is that we have to accept the results of this election and just say, i mean, one of the most curious things to me if there is this widespread voter fraud, is how the democrats didn't manage to take the senate time and again, the republican senators were reelected, and mitch mcconnell can see it's a whole the range of the senators that some real service you going to go to try to talk about. it only exists in places where there is a narrow election count and somehow trump lost, you know, this is a magic, this is the magic, are not the republicans are sprinkling your credence to doubt because you know, all the polls were, you know, lindsey graham was on his last leg eccentrics,

cedrick and then actually there was no blue wave at all. the republicans actually did really well considering everything. it's just the for the presidency and that's what a lot of people are and are curious about generally i don't understand it, but i think they look at how do you not acknowledge snow, but he just sat in the weeds, but he's there. that's what makes up a lot of people very curious there. i mean, if all of these polls are often the, the republicans actually get really fight well and they say, well, then there was no doubt that there was no down take effect here. i mean, that's kind of on that. so all i want is evidence to present to me, you know, were they had 3 years of russia? again, i just said, what's the evidence, they never came up with any evidence. and so, i mean, you demanded evidence of this then, and right now you're not demanding evidence. now of this then your seat, then there's a system and there are laws and jen and, and people like are given the opportunity to go and peter, your colleagues are showing. no, i go by the law. i emotion. ok jeff. yeah,

that, that's a great point. like, i don't respect the results of the election if the election was too late. duly process it here saying it, this is not about her feelings. i am actually slightly better for i. this is not all, do not have tried in office for the next 4 years, and i know it's just speaking as a political consultant celeb. this is not hers. yes, this is about the american president and sharing their checks and balances. work really just pointing out overnight that the boxer joe frazier, you know, your son, your spouse was actually seen on a voter rolls and silly ad boated as was will smith's grandmother? i mean, these are just random examples and i just have to say are now they are and so is not ready. giuliani or else it is a little or at least these folks are showing as have been noted. there are hundreds of thousands more and rudy giuliani says there are 350000 and you know i could use

a leave rudy giuliani, i have a bridge in new jersey with chris christie governing, get to sell you. chris christie had nothing to do with rudy giuliani. that place not at present fronts, campaign team. it's funny how democrats don't like rudy giuliani and they love him for that. a jockey. any money your reality administration and your city will tell you? no. rudy has time to go. you know what i am the left wing of the party has really had and say, this is the man you as a u.s. attorney who are details of cases has tried to detonate hundreds of cases. and of course the all eyes are on rudy giuliani. this is going to be nothing short of the o.j. simpson trial. i think peter, this will be televised or in a day and some courts that allow cameras in there. and if it's not allowed inside a courtroom, you will see a presentation by rudy giuliani on the steps of all the story houses. they have

evidence. they have no responsibility to share with the needy at that your threat against them or any state certified any election. but they will be if you can see this in court, and again, remember that december 12th date and bush versus gore. well, yesterday the night where a lot of wait until that date. so let me added speed and let the court trials begin . and i think we're, has he had nightmares that have been built up yet in the darkest nights and a lot of americans don't appreciate their being disenfranchised because for every voter they commit fraud and yes, challenge it. that's why i know while driving and yes, exhausted from the lack of damage and rudy giuliani, the only i don't know what i have to agree and i think giuliani leading the charge it's precarious at best. ok, rudy is, is good what he did, what he does, he's not ok and he's good at it. ok. and this is too important for the american

people in my opinion. and i want to play and i'll be here not just when he says the more territory, when it's over someone here please. you know, i'm glad that laura brought about the peaceful transition of power can happen in the 100 for the 1st time. going to set a tradition that we all admire. ok, and if this point in time the country has so developed divided here, what are, what's going to happen if we, if there isn't a consensus of who won the election here, you brought up the word emotion. yes. there's a lot of emotion on all sides. ok. but it what? i find it really tragic that we're in an environment where there's someone so many doubts about how institutions are run and by whom here do you think that we're we can know that we still transition of power that started in $800.00. so going to happen in 2021. or had oh, i believe that the forces of democracy will overcome whatever forces that trump, right, or forces trump decides to, you know,

the 3 that in and that morning because i can't predict what he's going to do. but i know that the institutions remain and, and the systematic undermining of american institutions is at the hands of this president. and certainly he's not, i would give him credit. he's done an incredibly successful job and undermining authority and undermining sort of the american institutions that we, that we rely upon to do things like that the solar transition of power. so so will it be inside of china? absolutely. will it happen? absolutely. ribbit chan. we have hillary clinton to put reelection telling joe biden not to except and not to make any kind of concession, you know. and then donald trump was accused in 2016 of not accepting the electoral outcome. hillary clinton still hasn't made me, she thinks she's still president or something like that. and then you have that be a brake on your car. it's just you made it. you say it's not. it's and you made a statement. i think it's easily refuted. ok, we look at what the f.b.i. did to the truck, campaign, destroying institutions. what was the f.b.i.

and the intelligence community doing meddling in that election year? that's the kind of institutional wearing a jockey. and i'm talking about everywhere. and what you see also, i mean, you know, you have all these anonymous sources and it was, these are people in state institution constantly attacking the administration. so i think, you know, you know, that's a bit rich, claiming you are relating gate receipts or anyplace or calls that a u.k. my hands and asked for initial guidance to be investigated with our american tax dollars. and as far as conference. i mean, i can't talk about hunter's laptop, but go ahead jim. well, rudy can help you. i think that i have a need to hear that question peter. i mean, i'm just saying is that if you want to, you know, anyone pointing the finger about hurting the integrity of institutions. i mean that the democrats have a lot to answer for a whole lot and ask really sanders, what he thinks about how the democratic party it's from. go ahead,

john. ok. i mean look, they, they have donald trump so far in this election. what a good job or a satirist not once but twice by putting the establishment candidate into place and lead again, this is not about her feelings and this is, i doubt what i believe. i do think it is a screw minute. he lost gracefully exit. he has much more to do in this, like he can go start from where he actually wanted to do in a regular child 60. i think he actually had a better place for that now and again, you know, then jan i get it now that you mention it. i think he would run a t.v. station better than the united states of america as a late night early lot of other people get on. well, i think it costs a lot, but he can certainly do that for a 1000000. people left faith fox news's based yesterday all on. 5 hardware, crasher, he needs are certainly a market where you get all the delegates are truck,

happy to make and have much less responsibility and a lot more fun during that rallies population. so this isn't about i owed you. what's donald trump going to lose is this is about the sanctity of our american democracy. and i can tell you, i was just in secretary of state for al gore. he had on a small team of 6 or 7 people who were charged with ensuring be integrity at the election. and sure, any tyree of every single vote there was someone in south south central los angeles who had been disenfranchised. we sent a team to go investigate that one vote, and i didn't, i have time to, i'm going to add up the boats. and i say, arguing has to stop the count. and you're synchronizing. everybody knows, and he wants the votes to count in some places and not in other places. ok. i don't know. what about parenting? i mean, you know, we, you know, we, in the theory as we have only 30 seconds up here is that they claim that they, they, they were looking for a certain number of votes where they needed to win. ok,

that's the claim that they're making. ok, i don't know, the thing is that we're all talking about john, you probably know more physical evidence that certainly than i do here. and in the last 15 seconds here, i want to bring us together and hope that they get a winner that people can believe then and maybe start afresh next year. but i don't think it's going to happen. ok, i don't want people to say not my president, that's what they did to trump art, if it's buying that hope, it doesn't happen to him as all the time we have. i want to thank my guests. i want to, or viewers are watching us. here are see you next time. remember who they are tactics that can be used to get innocent people to confess, to crimes. they didn't commit. i don't even think people in the us really get that

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