in this world to confess, to crimes, they didn't commit any time you do an exoneration case where there's been a false confession. it's like trying to write a tryst. everybody's already against you. the person's been convicted by a jury. the judge thinks he's guilty. the jury thinks he's guilty. now you have to convince everybody that they're wrong. so a case that you're deeply rested them is a case of an alien who has been in prison for 20 years. renee lynch

was a case we took about 2 and a half now maybe 3 years ago now. and she was accused and convicted of killing her landlord in buffalo, new york in 1995. and it's also obviously a false confession cases. the police are going crazy and they can't solve it 18 months go by. and renee's connection to the victim was that it was her landlord. and so they are start looking into renee, who at the time was heavily addicted to drugs crack cocaine. and because she gets arrested for something else, and they start interrogating her. and she confesses to killing her landlord. with this guy karim. so she says, kareem, and i went to my landlord's house, we were going to rob her. the robbery goes bad, and karim stabs her. so it's,

she's a good century, can make it a felony, murder being present during the commission of a crime, and somebody gets killed. we started sort of doing, you know, just regular google searches on the players' names. the detectives and everything in this t.v. show and women behind bars comes up and they've done an episode. case where they got in the, in the prison and interviewed her and then interviewed this joseph court was the cop on the case. the way her body, when she decided to go, you just saw, it was time to told the truth. i believe her confession is kind of nonsense. there's inconsistency between the physical evidence and what she says. and during the show, he says, well, i mean we knew that corinne walker was in florida at the time of our crime and toward karim was of the crime. i guess they knew kareem walker was in florida at the time the crime then rene's confession can't possibly be true because

she's confessing to going to rob the landlord with kareem and the defense been able to put that on her confession would have made no sense that the defense was never told the whole thing is so full of holes and so bogus. i can't put my finger out and say like, you know, this is the thing. but i think if we dug in it, we could find that thing that could get her out because it's all it's just all of it. so it's messed up. how do they record this confession? and didn't know, i mean, did they make, you know, they typed it up and then read it to her and made her sign it. so there is a type of confession is the only version of the confession. there's no like original notes. they have or something that we have to wonder about. she says, details about the crime scene because they showed her photos of it that you know how the body was lying, being shown her,

those photos of some kind of new evidence that didn't exist at the time of the trial or didn't, didn't exist at the time of the trouble it wasn't known right? and it wasn't presented during the trial. and then we have to show that it could have been a different outcome which i think we can, but it's going to be hard. our goal is of course to get renee out of prison, but it can take a really long time, sometimes many years. and one of the 1st things we do in cases like this is to comb through the confession and find all that in consistencies. to clearly show that the confession is false and if there's a cream walker drove me to 90 long the plan was i was going to go into the front door and karim was going to come up the back door. he was going to tie her up with

a piece of white extension cord that he brought with him at babson time, kareem hit louise in the side of the face, and louise fell to the floor and kind of went out. if that happened, he would be standing punching her here right. when cream ted here in the face, he knocked the wig off. a wig landed on the floor in the kitchen kitchen. he tried to tie louise up with the plastic or he had. then carry comes from behind louise. he stabbed her at least twice. however, we know it's 8 times louise fell to the floor again. it was a large amount of blood on the floor next to her body. so the only thing she gets right is that the way it was knocked off that there's a plastic cord involved in this case. that's correct. and the phone cord is where

the extra d.n.a. is. behind this in the it's gene fisher by rios and renee lynch's attorney. i have a call with her this morning. oh good things. how i how i live. oh oh oh i am quite i i i i well, i know it's hard for

renee went to trial, she testified been very incoherent, lee. she was high during the trial. you know, it was, she was not a good witness for her. so she recanted right away afterwards. and her confession is that is it was a coerced. when i talked to him about this, they're like, well this is i would never say contests where people say, i've been talking about this for 30 years and that's the 1st thing. everybody says, and i gather it wouldn't happen today. it's not one kind of person that gives a false confession. we are all told go into the circumstances of interrogation. we all know there are trained detectives i've spoken to who say i can get anybody to confess to that from any of the little boats that they have a 95 percent confession rate and see a lesser of a lesser near perfect and identifying the perpetrator that is every suspect you identify is the perpetrator, right? if you've got a confession rate at that level,

you produce an awful lot of false confessions. the rene lynch, when i talked to her about it, she explained to me, i was so shocked that they convicted me. she said because there was no evidence of a confession so powerful, it can stand alone. so here's the jury. on the one hand, they've got the confessions of the woman and they've got the confessions trope, the d.n.a. changes everything. and sometimes i've likened the final product of a confession to a hollywood production. it is scripted by the police theory of the case. it is rehearsed and action camera ready to go. and that's what the jury sees. they don't see the whole production, they just see the final. i don't see how the judge or jury can look past a false confession. is that also the presence and we have a number of documented cases in which the person who falsely confessed actually

came to believe the lie that they were told about their own behavior. which is a whole nother level of insanity. and some of them believe it for a long time afterwards. and i think there are you see here the engineer in the melted thompson case we had he was a danish inturn who came he was a danish, he was a college student studying to become a teacher. and he came and interned at i.p.s., which is really, you know, like a $20000.00, a year priest by the un. and it was

a code teacher who accuses meltzer of molesting all the kids in the class. and he's on the cover of the daily news. they take his focus, his facebook profile pictures, him with his niece on his shoulders. so they put that on the cover of the daily news and write sex monster. and they go arrest him in the morning and bring him into the station and they have a female cop interrogate him. she tells him, well, you know, we have video of you molesting these kids, which they had videos, but he's not molesting anybody. so they had this woman who accused him, had taken videos of him in the classroom, interacting normally with children. and so either the cops had watched it or they had watched it and were blatantly lying to him, but there was no video of him molesting kids, but he hears that right. and he thinks holy, well, if i'm on video, i must have done it right. they let him continue to believe this lie that he's cut

red handed on tape molesting these kids. and i think that, that, you know, he started, you could tell through the hole when they finally are recording him. he's doubting himself. you know, he's, he's wondering, did i do this well, the pandemic? no, certainly no borders and is blind to nationalities, has emerged. we don't have a charity. we don't have the facts in the whole world. beat's to be the chief judge of common every crisis, at least we can do better, we should everyone is contributing each in our own way. but we also know that this

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mr. thompson, can you tell me why you're here to say yes. i'm here because in order for inappropriate behavior with it's ok. so why don't you tell me the ending, how this started, what happened? you know, what you know? well, if i can feel what i can remember, just had to go down just a few moments about it and then proceed in the missing person in the head

thing in its place and playing around to insular in my shorts and you know, short of going forward in that or question where you were going and so what, when you think of your pleasure at one time at a central or as an individual to have to be i don't know, you know, never, ever dislike does not do it. if you read out a statement and it has your handwriting and it just waiting over briefly, doesn't look like it's been changed in any way. and that's your signature at the bottom. because you're at this hour earlier today, you're going to show the camera.

i don't even think people in the us really get that the police are allowed to lie to you. i think most people would think that if i am speaking to a police officer, he's telling me the truth. but now to tom's, i mean, in denmark, it's illegal for the police to lie to you. so he really, i think, was, was really says extra susceptible to something like that. it took us filing the civil rights suit to even get access to these tapes. the district attorney wouldn't give it to us when the criminal case was pending. we asked the court, we moved for a court order to get it. the judge just wouldn't give it to us. but they sat on these tapes for 8 months. he had this case hanging over his head and they knew that there was nothing in the tapes. right. there was the only evidence. there was yes, luckily, melted never got convicted right. we were able to stop it before that happened. but it took, i mean, it almost killed him sexual

abuse involving very young children were brought to the attention and used to do the district attorney's office to thoroughly investigate and involved in 2 children, particularly in this instance preschool ages and one of the 2 dismissed this case, after you have gathered in our tent that we have to have

you know, have you ever seen anybody use like a piece of a foam court to prop up the waves or put it just all the way forward to? i don't know if i have a case where there is a piece of foam cord found inside of why would you lay it on your head to give the league a little for a little while, but it's better if they're flat because if there is some clue feed in the

hair is not like it's just like a 3 to 4 inches of phone cord. in a space. we're trying to get permission to test all the old evidence for d.n.a. . but to do that, we have to collect as much information about her innocence as we possibly can. go back and interview witnesses documents, go back to the crime scene. i keep coming back to this thing that the cops knew. he was in florida and kept going with the story that they did together like wife, if they know he's in florida,

why don't they like your lives? they're lying to us because he's and we know he's in florida. why don't they are confronted by hearsay? that how can they be permitted to go forward with a serious of a case that they know is not true. name a trial basically matter. so that's why the trickery and the only way to convict somebody of this was to do it that way. yes. it just makes me so jaded and really disgusted with the district attorney's office is that i feel like, you know, the, you know, they're supposed to be at the top of the chain right there. it's supposed to be the ones making sure the cops made mistakes, or people below the cops made mistakes, then they're the ones who are responsible for fixing it. why not do d.n.a. testing? think why not me? we're all, we're not infallible. we can all make mistakes. why not check? i mean, her name's going to be in prison for the rest of her life. why not just check?

you know, they can never answer that question. so you just end up in court with, you know, them opposing your motions for d.n.a. testing and unending ability gating instead of working together in rene's case, it's especially frustrating because, i mean, they certainly believe that this was done. not the stabbing was not done by her. right. so there is this said, i mean, they're basically admitting that they have a cold case and there's a murder out there, and they still don't want to do it. you know, it's did 2 people either 2 people or somebody other than renee, committed that crime. and that person is out and about, and d.n.a. contesting could show who they are, but they're still posing as am

you know, the central park jogger case was my 1st interaction with false confessions our firm represented corey wise on his civil rights case way to start i mean, you're diving right into the bed there. you know, the circumstances that play in that case were huge amount of pressure on the police and the authorities to make arrests and make them step forward. 7 years in prison. with one of most notorious crimes in the history of new york city, it was

a crime in which a woman who was a wealthy upper east side investment banker was out jogging and was dragged into the woods in central park and almost beaten to death. and there was front page news every day, everywhere, and they are out to get arrests and they got him when you get to the false confessions, in that case, it was a classic, you know, mismatch. they were totally overmatched, underrepresented, if represented at all. i don't know what they could do, corey, even have anyone in the room with now is going to be 16. so he was considered an adult, sadly. and so his mom was not allowed in there and they, you know, had given them lawyers, they all waived their, their miranda rights rights

. where you live, christine says that it is very, very serious in this neighborhood. we don't know. are there any way to use an example? we do say that you're seeing there are stages and surely you can see where this point is way it is hard for people to understand how this can help produce a confession,

something they didn't do. and there really is a complicated set of stories. there is no one reason you know why is confessed to get out of this bad situation. he was under pressure from many, many hours. he was likely be told that others were giving stories and that to, to cooperate in order to go home. and it is very telling in the central park 5 case that every one of them, every one of the boys and every one of the parents who were present were surprised . the boys were arrested after their statements. every one of them i was going home, right? well, you know what, that sounds crazy right here. thought you were going or confess to a rape and go home, right. but you know that one false confessors were interviewed afterward and they've been exonerated. and the 1st question, everybody wants those, i don't understand why don't you confirm the most typical response? because i want to go back in this and people often say afterwards, you know,

i was so i'm tired, i'm so stressed. i figured let me sign this confession. it'll all work itself out, in the end. the detective so often say, you know, we have d.n.a., we're going to send these things that claiming they have lost is a way to scare the criminal into submission. it may be right. but if the person you're talking to is not the criminal but an innocent person that the law becomes a promise of future exoneration. makes it easier to contrast, right? we're going to do some tests. we're going to take blood samples from a lot of different people. right, and i just want to know that if we do that, we will probably get an order to take a sample from you. and then we'll compare it to tests or this area because you're in a position now where you know that there's going to be

a match day even better off. tell us about it now or the stairs instead of saying something that's natural, part of the story. one of the things i think they made you say was that you cut her on the legs. where did you, how did you come up with that? i don't know, came from no, i don't know. made it up. i don't know. i don't know maybe exclaimed joe biden, to be president elect obama group. that's not how it works. final vote make that determination and we aren't there yet. close the election. and what is the possibility, how big country explain the election in which you will sleep? we will wish we really do need probably will

she do it? sure i can border. remember the edge that would have been murdered by hugo. that when us goes, all of those are going to use that word because those told me again, we will see in the movie it is with the we've seen it all seen it was and it was, but i is the most insidious some of it is in your speech come off and it is the of the 20th century was thing in or of revolution. the great depression and world wars, the 21st is the century of mental illness. those aren't my words. that's what therapists and psychiatrists tell us. the only question is, should we accept it as a fact? or no. this is a story of women. women with troubled histories and complex court cases. you know, some of us daily leave,

whole lives out there. but we're not the person that they're accusing this employee of they are considered the most dangerous of criminals. she's in a still holding off 23 hours of the day. tell me that it's not enough. and it is a good world of women on death row and

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