when so many find themselves worlds apart, just to look for common ground. max kaiser this is the kaiser report. i've been to our english pill nation. all others are kind of so-so and fading. stacy? well, you know what? i want to look at that continuation of the policy of plunder because, you know, come on harris as vice president before she was vice president. she was attorney general of california and in california there was a certain company in

a certain guy named steve renouf in who well, some in the attorney general's office. all the people under common harris. they said, well, it looks like his company committed massive mortgage fraud, and you should charge him well they never did. and then in this last year, 2020, the big year of all sorts of crazy stuff, evidence of p.p.p. fraud mounts. officials say p.p.p. was a fraudster free for all investors say evidence is growing that many organizations took advantage of the paycheck protection program. open door designs. i mean, we've already reported on that and you know, look, salvias, but there you are. and it keeps on growing that there was a lot of fraud in that situation is coming. right, right, right, exactly. the statement in accountable harris, you got the p.p.p. scandal and these are all the last gasps and the writhings of a failed state. and of course, there aren't donation we've been saying for 10 years now is the is the, is the level one nation. it's the, it's the bitcoin nation. right. and it's always

a question of whether cost, always nation states to collapse, or whether this nation states are collapse caused because i come to think that it was because causing them to collapse. but you know, the p.p.p. that's all coming out. it's a cluster of fraud that will only be answered by the central player, nursed by printing more money of course, which will make our nation state mission of bitcoins capital go higher. well of course it's been really since like 199-2001 when we got rid of glass steagall when we introduced the commodity futures modernization act, which allowed the plunder through credit derivatives of pension plans and, and you know, communities around the world that we allowed that plunder. and then of course, you see the activist fed come in at around the same time when they had to start covering up papering over all the fraud, the costs of the fraud. so now, you know, we have government also providing fraud protection schemes. i p.p.p.

and all these bailouts and stimulus and all that sort of stuff. and now here's an interesting one that is in the state of the nation as we head into the biden administration, state of the american debt, slaves, q $32020.00, the stimulus and forbearance phenomenon. what they show 1st of all, just look at that quick chart of the credit card is that all the stimulus did go to pay down the credit card debt, which of course means more bailouts will have to come from banks because they're not printing money. essentially, with all this credit card, the high interest on the credit card because the $1200.00, most people apparently put it towards their credit card debts which are huge. but the important thing as we head into this, by the end of ministration and of further lockdowns and how many trillions that's going to cost, who knows? but one thing we've been covering, and especially since 2008, you know, when student loan debts started to just really explode, this is through the,

into the loan debts. and that's just goes back to 2006 when it was a tiny, tiny cute, sweet little $400000000000.00. and now it's $1.00 trillion. well, apparently, student loans continue to surge despite declining enrollment since 2010 in q 3 outstanding student loan balances jumped by $23000000000.00 from q $21.00 trillion . and we're up $54000000000.00 from a year ago. one of the primary factors, max that has been driving the loan balance up is that fewer and fewer former students made principal payments. then came the pandemic and student loans were moved into automatic forbearance programs. the story i keep hearing is that you would be a moron. to make payments on your student loans because they will be forgiven anyway. so existing loans are not getting paid down and new loans are being added and the balances continue to great. we're all argentina now. argentina doesn't pay

back the debts because it knows there's another bailout is coming. and you know, i like those videos of canadian log rollers, you know, they're on logs and they're in the water and they're dancing and trying to keep their balance. and we are living on a sea of debt in america has been tap dancing on that log. you know, for a while and house and fallen in. but the storm is coming and the waves are rocking the log of the americas. they're trying to save themselves from this sinking, but the student debt you got the credit card debt. you got all the same people though, i guess i'm a stupid ministration that's coming, a left over from a 2008 crisis. so if you love the 2008 lobel financial crisis, there's a sequel now coming to a bank bailout near you. well, of course, the reason why people are paying down their credit card debt is because joe biden, actually, in his 2005 bankruptcy act bill he, you know, he obviously was the senator from delaware and he passed a bill that would benefit the credit card companies that it made it harder to

discharge your credit card debt, but because the 2008 financial crisis, after that, the government basically took on all student debts, so the taxpayer backs that. so they're assuming that biden affirms i will eliminate your student debt that was right before the election. so you know that encourage people to say, well, we're not going to pay the student debt. and of course, this is one of the conflict zones emerging in the u.s. domestic electorate. is that educated university educated person, non university educated. i mean, you know, m s, n b, c and c.n.n. will tell us white nationalist, but in fact what, what we saw with the black latino and other groups expanding their vote towards towards trunk was a lot to do with this conflict. emerging between those who are going to university and those who aren't. what should people look for to see whether what we're saying is actually playing out in the real world. and sort of thing to look at would be the u.s. dollar versus the chinese or a big ok, that's the main forex pair that's going to tell you what's happening in the global

economy. if what this, all this debt is going to trigger all this money printing, the dollar will start to drift lower and it's already, you know, looking very weak. i think the last 4 years under trump, they've been able to kind of kick propped up to a large degree. but i think now we're going to see a serious decline in the dollar to see the chinese currency start to really outperform the dollar. they just announced $56.00 g. technology and so they're not, they're not 2 generations ahead of the u.s. in technologic knology. so the u.s. is no infrastructure ticker bait. so i think that's a good look for the dollar chinese, a big goal because so the dollar is going to take on the best most important to look at is gold and big point because the r. and b. could be destroyed. if we stop a nuclear bomb and that could be obliterated, the country could, you know, so you have to look for what is actually a safe haven that is no counterparty risk. there's no c.c.p.

in a communist party of china risk that they might seize your u.n. or devalue it. gold and big point. and we see that in this next headline from j.p., morgan, j.p. morgan says institutions ditching gold, e.t.f. for big j.p. morgan chase, the largest u.s. bank by total assets. notes that big queen is eating away at demand for gold e.t.f. the report shared by michael sohn and shine, the man director of grayscale investments. institutional investors, such as family offices, now view, the world's largest cryptocurrency, as a digital alternative to the yellow metal that used to be the go to safe haven. well, life comes out. you're fast. you know, we've been saying this for years now. and the fact that people are ditching gold in favor of bitcoin is really a remarkable development. because it's really flabbergasting for those who were staunchly defending gold as the ultimate store of value. and they laid out many arguments in that direction,

all of which have been proven to be not holding up. might also point out. we're talking about the whole system of plunder. and we've talked about that quote, many times whereby i'm plumb der becomes a way of life at the for the guys at the top, it just trickles down where the students are plundering the system, plundering the taxpayer. j.p. morgan itself has admitted guilt of plundering the gold markets. so it's no wonder that their own clients are like, maybe if our banker is actually front running us and like defrauding us in the gold and silver market, maybe we should go into the big question market that could be part of that, right? exactly. as more evidence comes out about these banks on wall street front running and it be late in the gold price, the insiders and the people who know what's going on are like, you know, we're just going to let up on because because you know, you can't touch that yeah, especially, they are one, they are the biggest bank in america, according to deposits and you know, they have a lot of institutional players. so the institutional players know, well, j.p. morgan is connected. that's why we put our funds with there and it's kind of safe. but you know, if they're not,

they have knowledge of us. they had inside information about our plans and our, and our how we're placing our bets. so maybe we go away from the markets that they control, but the chart is interesting here in october the flow trajectory of the grayscale became significantly steeper, while gold e.t.f. remained flat. so that's the flows into g, b, t, c. and here it is into gold e.t.f. . so that's where the money has been going us both jones said he expects prickling to be the faster source of the race. he said, months ago, he took a position and now everyone following suit, as i said, where a pool or a paul tudor jones goes, the market follows. and now the market is provably following paul tudor jones, this is the situation as we head into 2021. it's all laid out in front of you., there are will be another 2nd round of p.p.p., the 1st $550000000000.00. i don't think all of it was lent out,, but whatever was like a huge portion of it was fraud, including j.p.,

morgan bankers, you know, j.p. morgan itself, did it inform the department of justice. it looks like a couple dozen of their bankers actually took out some loans that they didn't qualify for. we had it for other banks. so let's, i'm going to stop the, by the administration for wanting to do that because, you know, a lot of those people who plunder the system also donate money to your campaign. so, you know, you give them the free money from the taxpayer and they give you back some. so there's less laundry money laundering. we've had of that before. almost everything in the american economy when you pull it apart, is money laundering. in some way. we're going into a world because of that because of all this plunder because of the, the fact that the plunder is allowed to happen. and it's encouraged to happen that there is only 11 trust, trust this currency that you don't need to trust anybody else at all in the world and a world plunder. and that is big queen. gold can be manipulated by j.p. morgan and it's held in large part by the central banks. the un,

we have to trust that china's maintaining the value of the currency and they're probably not because their game of chess against, you know, the game theory against the united states is they're going to trash. and they're going to try to chastity as fast as possible. faster than the united states, for sure to stay ahead of the game. right. that's a big point is really the 1st world and everybody else is in the 2nd, 3rd 4th 5th world. you know should join our telegram group. done a forward slash orange pill, a forward slash arms pill. let's magistracy telegram, group chatting all day. join the labor revolution liberation to liberate the liver . rail river revel liberation the river. liberate said that's a new wonder. don't go away. coming right back

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about the i.m.f. wind to revisit the bretton woods. so what do you make of the central bank talking about digital currencies now, what does that portend? what could we see happen to global monetary system? and what is this going to mean? do you think, you know, there's a couple different vectors where that can matter? one central banks of course, always want to find new ways to increase their, their own options, right? so we've already seen over the past couple decades, a shift from, you know, the fed mainly focusing on interest rates to incorporating asset purchases at any, including things even like corporate bonds or for junk bonds in some cases. so we've seen kind of an increase in the mandate from the central banks and gentle bank is a currencies are basically technology that would allow them potentially even more fine control over monetary policy. so from their perspective, that's a good thing. but of course, that opens up privacy concerns, it opens up all sorts of other issues from other perspectives, and then to pay and we look from there. the other factors are potentially going

around the dollar system. so for example, china, you know, they've been at the forefront of launching a central bank digital currency. and part of it is just to make, you know, their currency, you know, potentially more competitive with some of their trading partners. because china's main focus is they want to be able to buy commodities and things like that outside of the current dollar system because that's one of their vulnerabilities at this time. when we talked in the previous episode about banks are unwilling to lend, they hoard cass and small to medium enterprises. software and the fed is now telling congress, look, you've got to address this with fiscal policy. many, you've got to figure out how to get cash into people's hands to wreck play. would it be possible for the fed to come up with the fed coin and give everyone and the ability to open an account with the fed crypto? all of the fed calling wallet and they could issue fed coins directly into people's wallets with and bypass the banks just say to the banks, look, you know,

we're going to bypass you completely. we're just go right right to the consumer of your thoughts. that's one of the options. so if you look at the current system, you know, from what we saw, for example, with the cares act, which was the, you know, the big congressional bill that did the stimulus checks and the p.p.p. loans and all that. so what that shows that the current system has some degree of checks and balances, so the fed can't just go out and just insert money. twitter wants it has certain limitations. and we saw for example, this year, they were very flexible getting around some of those a, supposedly to buy corporate bronze. but they worked at the treasury to open up that special purpose vehicle. so they can get around some of the letters of the law. but they still certain limitations by getting it to people, whereas congress is actually our elected officials. and so they, they, they can vote to get that out to people in targeted ways. you know, and of course, some of some of us might disagree. some of us made agree, but at least they're like that officials and so they're doing that and then the fed is monetizing a large portion of that issue. it's now potentially, if the fed could just do it on their own, that opens up other cans of worms, right?

because that takes some of the checks and balances out of the system and basically goes around, you know, the fiscal purse. so that probably that's a bigger change or probably require a change of the federal reserve act. and you know, i think that that's, that's definitely a road that people should really consider before going down that. right. well, they recently decided that they want to buy junk bonds, which were against their mandate over there at the fed. so they created a special purpose vehicle account to get around those laws. so i noticed being a banker myself for many years that the law is never an obstacle. if you want to get a trade done, and i would imagine they would do whatever they want to do. now, talking about the fed coin, we've got countries around the world looking to bypass the dollar because the u.s. dollars used as a political instrument. these are the sanctions and these types of things. and in the case of, let's say iran, for example, they are, are now using bitcoin. they've been writing about decline for a while. you're

a bank analyst that 1st my 1st question is just from the banking side of things. you know, with micro strategy. now putting big quote on their bank's balance sheet as their primary reserve asset. here in atalissa, your bank analysts are, according to you analyze balance sheets. how is that a viable move? can you put decline on your balance sheet and call it a nasa and kind of bank? can you borrow against it? i mean, is this just completely on charted territory or the wave of the future? what do you think was 70 territory? i mean, you know, i think is a pretty smart move. i think a lot of us, you know, were expecting something this would were, was going to come. but you know, the base case for me and others was that it would have been a company putting a smaller percentage of their assets into, into big quaint. because at that point they would have less kind of that volatility be easier to justify, to their board. and their shareholders, rez, you know, biker strategy kind of an all in they put the vast majority of their, of their cash reserves into big, quite so that was kind of

a all in bet on the bull is just a big question. of course the c.e.o. is, you know, he studied the protocol extensively, so he's very bullish on it. we've seen it later, you know, square put a small percentage of that in. so i think that's a viable strategy, especially when, you know, in my case they were sitting on a very large, you know, cash pas percentage of their market cap of the last thing they want to see is money supply go up by 20 percent you're of year or more, it's not paying a yield. and there, you know, there is wondering, is this cash looking worse the same as it is, you know, 3 years from now, 5 years from now? you know, best case scenario gets chipped away with interest rates that are below, you know, the c.p.i. official inflation rate. and worst case scenario is that, you know, you look at the actual growth of the broad, my supply. and it's going up far quicker than that. so it definitely makes sense to put into something and make a shadow. of course, you know, the analyze all the different things they could have put into and he was very bullish on big question particular. and we've already seen, for example,

the ecosystems developing. so now there are places that you can, you can, but you can use your big win as collateral are refunds, and used as a source of liquidity. we live in a world where the pool of aaa rated sovereign credit is shrinking. very few countries after play ratings because it is being referred to more and more as a pristine asset, which would moody's and s. and p. could come out and give big coin to, you know, a aaa plus rating at some point, at which case the, another new chapter in the story of this asset would be written, i want to move on to the concept of a hyper big point is ation. you've written about it. how does it unfold across the world? does it have to do with the collapse of trust in the field system led to my overall view is i take it kind of a step at a time. so there are, there are people that put a lot of focus on that and look really in the long term and why, you know, my, my focus is mostly an immediate term. so i'm focusing on this having cycle, the next having cycle. and so at the current time, i'm viewing bitcoin

a lot as digital gold and see how it goes from there. so at the very least what it is is it's a, it's a store of value that has, you know, certain advantages over gold lake. it's more portable, it's, you know, it's, you know, virtually impossible be confiscated. and so it has these, these advantages. so we seen, for example, iran's using it. we've seen how maker strategies use it. there's a variety of different ways that investors or businesses or central banks can, can use that to their advantage to either use as a payment source or used as a store of value. and so, as it gets a larger, larger market cap, probably over time, it's doubtful. he goes down and starts to look more and more like digital gold and potentially, you know, it could go higher from there due to some of its advantages. but the current time, it's a small fraction of gold's market share, so i'm viewing it to see ok. how does it do of the next, you know, 4 years, 8 years? you know, watching these for your having cycles play out and to see how big the market cap gets because the bigger it gets, the more use cases, you know,

ironically can happen now because it came around and it launched officially in it's out there 9 roughly the same time, we saw something also remarkably interesting in the financial space, negative interest rates, which had never been seen in the history of finance before. for thousands of years, we've never seen that. and so what is your take on negative interest rates? because it implies that time has less than 0 value. that's the 1st thing that is kind of odd about having a negative interest rate. the bank of england is just saying there, look, they're exploring negative rates, and that's 15 to 16 trillion in sovereign debt is negative interest rate. and that trend seems to go higher. what can, what is it about it? it's a mysterious, unfathomable, to a lot of people, as big coin is a negative interest rate. len, how do you explain it? well, you know, i think there's, there's no super rational explanation for doing partially. it's because central banks are buying, you know, the sovereign bonds of their own countries. and so they can help hold down interest

rates in a way that we've not really seen before. so, you know, one of the works i do is i focus on the long term debt cycle. and if you look back in that, you know, the last time we were at the kind of the end of a long term debt cycle was in the thirty's and forty's. and back then we got to very low interest rates. but we didn't see negative interest rates as you point out . that's a new phenomenon. and so, you know, there are variety of ways to interpret that. one is you can say that, you know, technology and demographics are so deflationary that you know, you've now you've basically paying a minor storage costs just as your, you know, your cash is held somewhere. but of course, that makes less sense in a world where central banks all have positive inflation targets rate. so they all want 2 percent or whatever the number may be in different countries right there. because that's a paradox. that, that way, if you deiced unpack that the people who push it would be categorically insane, right? yes. pretty much. and that's why you know, we've seen, for example, both gold and big quite you very well lately. because if you, you know,

gold has that longer prices tree, and gold tends to do very well in periods of low real interest rates. and so what we've seen is ever since the, you know, the 10 year treasury fell from its, from its recent peak in just 18 into the lower and lower levels. we've seen, you know, that the real it is trade has gone down. and so gold hat, for example, is done very, very well as and less as a flock into something that, you know, they've rather pay, you know, hold something that doesn't yield anything, even has a storage costs, but lease it, it holds its value over the long term as you know, holding treasuries are cash that are paying you a yield that is either nominally positive but below that, you know, prevailing inflation rate or in worst case is just nominally negative. you basically guaranteeing, you know, at the best case scenario, gradual chipping away your person or a worse case there is. if you have an inflationary bet you could lose person power more rapidly. so yeah, i think i think bonds are a bubble in the long run. they certainly are churning out a multi 100 year high. it's the most incredible bubble, probably ever in history,

it would be the sovereign bond market. now, you have said that big coin scales as a base slash settlement asset with large transactions upon which higher frequency layers can be built. that's the way to think about scaling. so this is, of course, the age old debate about does big claim scale. and then around 2017 or so people said hey, you know what, it's actually more like gold digital gold. and those scaling technologies will come later. is that where we are in the cycle? do people understand that and you still abide by this line? yeah, i get questions all the time ever since i started writing favorably about because when people brought out the scaling problem. and so, you know, that was that the whole genesis of the, you know, big, quaint cash spinning office is, you know, to try to, you know, basically sacrifice security and sacrifice decentralization to make it more scalable. whereas, you know, if you just focus on big quain and use, maximize for security and maximize for the centrally kate decent occasion,

you can always increase scale ability with additional layers. and so that's, you know, i think the market as has chosen the market has said that, that's the way wants to go and it likes big coincidence late on, you know, these alternative ones by anyone near the same market cap. and so you know that the technology makes sense. and so i think that multilayered approach because as you know, the settlement layer as a store of value makes a ton of sets. and i was shocked to read notice from pay pal. they've just gone in to pick one. and now they mention that, oh, we're also going to accept big cash. and they make an equivalency to pick one. but nowhere in the disclaimer, do they mention that the big sacrifice a security. it's a less secure network. and i found that acting incredible and incredibly in bad faith pay pal's part. but we got eric, we got to go. we're out of time. thanks so much for being on kaiser report. thanks

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