victims of bombs dropped decades ago is the u.s. making amends for the tragedy in laos. what helped to the people need in that little land of mines? which if you look for to see whether what we're saying is actually playing out in the real world and sort of thing to look at would be the u.s. dollar versus the chinese or other big. ok, that's their main forex pair. that's going to tell you what's happening in the global economy. if this all this debt is going to trigger all this money printing, the dollar will start to drift lower and it's already, you know, looking very weak. i think the last 4 years on her call, they've been able to kind of propped up to a large degree. but i think maggie, going to see a serious decline of a dollar to see the chinese currency start to really outperform the dollar.

this is a story of women and women with troubled histories and complex court cases. you know, some of us did leave, leave who lives out there. and we're not the person that hears the cheesiness and be considered the most dangerous of criminals. she's in a still all the off, 23 hours of the day. tell me that it's not enough an issue that will give women on death row. the former senate majority leader and dr. bill frist is our guest on both problematic politicking. and i'm larry king, the white house, what comes of that makes hot spots while the infected president tells americans not to let mine team dominate a candid one on one about the double the health crisis and the presidential race.

how has it up ended with former senate majority leader bill frist life? he's a heart and lung transplant surgeon and a host of the pod cast a 2nd opinion. he joins me from nashville. stop right there. how has this affected bill frist like? well, larry, it's affected me like every everybody else has changed my ways of communicating, you know, still been able to be very active. i've had a son and a daughter in law with coded and thankfully they came through it well and their children had an infection as well. nashville itself being a big hospitality town service industry town has been devastated. things are slowly coming back, but who will be probably 2nd quarter of next year before there's robot talented back in the town. president trump has given himself an a plus for a sampling of polls show about 2 thirds of american disapprove, of where you are, the president 1st, our government, i would give

a big he in terms of responsiveness and that's not enter your question directly yet . but i think in terms of response by congress, stimulus packages in the past, looking after small business getting money out the door, the war effort to create a vaccine in the partnerships. our government has done with the private sector with the pharmaceutical firms, a very impressive, but at the country has not done well with 4 percent of the population and 20 percent of the deaths in the world. 210000 people, a 1000000 have died in the the, in the world, we're not doing well. and then it goes back to the answer to question president trump has not done well. as commander in chief, his sole purpose should be at this juncture, the safety and security of the american people. and he's let us now. he has come forward even just in the last week has said this, mary, she should not be afraid. and as a heart transplant surgeon, as a cardiac surgeon, never tell a patient, don't be afraid of this virus,

it is deadly. people need to respond in the response, you told people to do the wrong thing. that mask are not important. and that social distancing really doesn't have the impact. what do you make of only returned home from the hospital? landing on the lawn there. and then taking off the bat, ask what you know the in the big picture and i'll put my position hat on. i think it was good. he went to the hospital, i think he had a potentially deadly disease. we don't know what the right middle of it. he is still infectious. i think it was good. he went to the hospital, he was ok. he came home from the hospital much the doctors had cleared him, still infectious. my expectation would be, he has be pretty, protects other people in the hospital. and i think the grandstanding in coming home was totally unnecessary. and i think the american people are very disappointed is seeing that 5 minute pause with the cameras going where he, he clearly wanted to project leadership in that he's beat this virus,

but that's not the right message. now, for the american people, the people here in nashville to our own families, i think is totally appropriate. what do you make of this president where, you know, he won a lot of things that he said, and a lot of people don't agree with the things that he's put forward in terms of his campaign and initially. but if you look at the progress has been made in stripping back regulations, make it easier to start a small business. he's done. well overall, i think with manufacturing jobs, he has projected this image of leadership and say all that. and i've been broadly disappointed in the integrity in the trust into what i want my children and my grandchildren to look up to as president of the united states. and it really comes down to what's been manifested with this virus, which shows that he has been anti science. that he puts hypothetical things out, which have not been proven. and because his voice is so loud, it leads people in the wrong direction. so he's done a lot of positive things,

but this lack of integrity and directness with the american people when we're talking about their safety and security has been disappointing. well, from all of that, can i assume we have all been for joe biden? well, i don't want to get in what i'm voting for, larry a at this point, and i think the we do have a choice in this particular election going forward. and i'm very hopeful the next 30 days, the differences in policies will be articulated a new think that the election will be determined in large part by president trout. and what he does over the next 30 days, a lot of people will be voting for him because of president trump, and there are a lot of people, most people will be voting. who vote for biden, not me. maybe not most people, but a lot will be voting against what he has projected as president states white houses . now a call that hotspot is a surprise, you know? sadly, it doesn't only because every image that has been projected out of the most visited,

most respected house in the world. that is, the white house has been one of disrespect for what science has said. this is not like we're just starting where we didn't know if masks really were good, we didn't know how transmissible, but this is after a 1000000, people have lost their lives. we have this science. and yet, even at the beginning of last week, we saw people without masks, no respect for social, just to sing with the commander in chief, having huge rallies with tens of thousands of people together. not respecting the science. it's sad, i was very hopeful that the president would use this as a pivot point and now show the empathy of the 2 100000 people who died in this country. the 1000000 people around the world that there are things that we can do now. and if we don't do that, or if we continue to follow his example, will be hundreds of thousands more people who die. what about the treatments, the treatment that he's received, including a call about cocktails and being viral drug things that the public isn't getting

well to do. issues in the equity issues of whether vulnerable people would have gotten that trip lancers. absolutely, no, because it does the united states and doctors are very open because he was president, he got everything of the treatments. been very good, the room disappear, or the antibodies agree. again, a fantastic therapy that will be hearing a lot more of a lot of these monoclonal antibodies will come forward in the next 3 months. and i think that's almost equally exciting as to the vaccine itself. but next a method zone, which is a steroid, is a high, high, high dose of steroids. and i bacuna 1st met me of 25 years ago. i use those steroids in my transplant patients. and they are very effective figure the science shows, but they can also show disturbances in manifest side effects of disturbances of, of impulse, of a d. and lack of good decision making. or when you have covert 19, how long a oh,

infected, you know, we don't we say 2 weeks and some people say as long as 20 days and that science is really being worked out today. but the, you know, the best data today now is it from the onset of symptoms within 2 weeks if you're no longer transmissible. but again, it's an individual thing. it depends on the initial bara load and that's sort of a gross average. so we don't really know if you take a particular person, but we know on average about 2 weeks, how do you rate the quality of information that we get from from stock is that the white house has been so mixed? i do think some of the media has it has been nit picking it. i mean these are record doctors are not trained communicators. a lot of it is stage of dell has been staged by the president people. so i don't want to be too hard on the doctors and nor do i think that we need to know every single finding that is. ready out there, so i'd give the doctors a b. plus or a solid b.

plus as a physician, i'd like to know more. but you know, there is a limit as to how much you should get out the american people. what's the fine line of a train? what a patient can tell a doctor to say, can the president say, don't say anything. oh yeah, oh you're absolutely, you know, having been implement laws and been in that position once you are there, it is generally expected that most personal information is going to be made public . with this president, we've seen a lot of withholding of information come back to his tax returns and he's been able to get away with it. in this particular case, i don't think that we need to know a lot more. we know it's a deadly disease. we know he's in the middle of it, we know he is still transmissible and, and him, but what is infectious that other people could be infected? we know he's gotten the extent of the very best therapy that's out there today. his care needs to be continued. he again, is sort of right in the middle of it and it is not over. we're at the end us about the white house projection from the back lawn in the steps. he wanted to project

that it was that he has beat this virus and comes back to don't be afraid of it, and that is the wrong message. he has, like every other person of viruses, don't know who they're attacking. they will attack anybody anywhere in the world. and no person is above this virus and, and people need to know that so that they will wear their mask and take the appropriate precautions, which we absolutely know are life savings. the white house reportedly is not doing extensive contact tracing for people who attended the white house celebration for the supreme court nominees are a good idea. no, it's crazy. given what we know today, and we know that context, racing is one of the most effective tools that we have in order to prevent the spread of disease. and we have a locus that is in the white house with as many as 20 people in the president's inner circle having been infected. and this is exponential, it's not just one person infecting one person,

that's end of it. one person can affect one person, poppy people 1050 or 100. and when you start saying they've been hundreds of people through the white house who had this exposure to this, this nucleus, this, this note of infection and not be able to trace it as they fly back across the country is inexcusable. what as a doctor, this infection was living dr. you had a little nuts, right? you know, you admit i did transfer heart transplants and lung transplants for unknown in years. and with that, the virus is where my enemy, i would actually give people the sort of steroids of the president is on. and the biggest concern is that a virus would come in and take them out. so i have always been afraid of these viruses. and i have been trained in terms of and in immunosuppression pretty heavily at some pretty good places and i'm petrified of them. so i hate to see the leadership of our country come out and say, don't be afraid, don't worry about it. we can all be ok. do you or do you worry it will get worse?

not i worry about a 2nd bump only because of the flu and the flu. the common influenza and everybody do get a flu shot. i've got mine just everybody just can't get your flu shot. don't ask, i should just go get it. and i say that very seriously, with the flu coming in, it can be very confusing in terms of the symptoms themselves and people. but we just hope that they'll still quarantine. but will people get flu shots? will they get the appropriate testing? more people will be staying indoors and we know that this virus, once it's indoors, is more dangerous. it's more deadly if it's in a building that it's outside it. we know that increasingly people could be spending time inside. and many states today are like 2 weeks ago. we're seeing an increase in the incidence of this infection. i hope it doesn't continue, and that's why it's all the more important to do the social distancing wearing masks, get a flu shot. what we know words will be right back with bill frist and more politicking right? after this,

what does the election results to date tell us about the state of american politics? there was no blue wave. instead, it was a red brittle. instead of calls for reconciliation. there are those looking to con ish, trump supporters, one step forward 2 steps back. so it seems wrong just don't call me world yet to see her out of business and endangered because of the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart just on the common ground, the impossible soup will wish to be pushed. sure. but the truth to the

lovable was sure the movie, the border doesn't actually matter. vegetable would've been murdered by hugo. that when us goes all of those who do use the word because those told me jamie was in the movie confused with it would seem more serious. but is the most severe? some of it is in your speech, come off, and it is the of the 20th century was thing in or of revolution. the great depression and world wars, the 21st century of mental illness. those aren't my words. that's what surfaced. some psychologists tell us. the only question is, should we accept it as a fact? yes or no? well, back to politicking, bill frist the former g.o.p. senator from tennessee who served as a senate majority leader from 2003,

the 2007 heart and lung transplant surgeon and host of the podcast. a 2nd opinion rethinking american health he is in nashville. tell me about your podcast, larry, we have been doing the bug as you kind of inspired me 25 years ago in terms of the communication field. and i try to do a lot of your approach to trying to cut right down to the heart of the matter, the bike. yes, we do weekly, it's on, as you can imagine, health and we target the health policy world with the medical world of medicine in covert and well being and mental health with this 3rd sector of innovation and how we can solve problems. so it's called a 2nd opinion and we've had huge success with it and we can cut right through the matter. we address all sorts of issues. we have government officials like the f.b.i. with us. we have a leadership in government. we have some of the smartest innovators in terms of pharmacology, pharmaceuticals starting businesses around mental health and behavioral health. and

then we come back to talk about health and well being that health is not just going to the hospital or getting a flu shot, but it really involves our well being our mental health and behavioral health. so thank you. you've been an inspiration. and with that, we look forward to another gracious by the way, the title, a 2nd opinion is a 2nd opinion, always a good idea. you know, it's a good idea, but it's a great question we talk about in our pond against a lot because it today where there is so much information coming in probably a 100 fold information comes in every day. now that even 5 years ago, that it's next to impossible for a single position to keep all of it in their head today with artificial in teligent synagogue, minute intelligence, and the use of digital communications and archiving of information. it's getting a little bit easier. so a 2nd opinion is not always necessary, but for those complicated, whether it's a diagnosis or potential treatment or

a pathological specimen, i do how they recommend a 2nd opinion. what do you make of this rejection of science on the part of many politicians and many in the public? why would you reject science? you know, larry, the whole fake news has made it worse. and when i came to the united states senate, initially i was there just for 12 years, and i was the only physician in the senate. the last one had been there in 192865, years before him in washington d.c., where it has gotten a little bit better. you know, there are a few more people doctors in the senate, but for the most part in washington there is a lack of appreciation in the legislative branch of science. this anti science movement is difficult to, to explain, but people will come back and say, well, initially said, don't wear a mask. and we do say men wear masks. now, that's not

a rejection of science of saying science is wrong. this is a science. it depends on the accumulation of data over time and the collection and analytics of that data are what makes science overall. so it has been aggravated again by the white house, which has had a clear anti science approach to the biggest challenges that we've had in a medical, maybe in an existential sense, in any regard in my lifetime. and to have much of what's coming out of the white house, either be anti science or having actively tried to influence what places like the c.d.c. are putting out in terms of guidelines which is based on science has been disappointing, . i will say, i know the c.d.c., well i know the scientists there well have depended on their information for 30 years. and for 20 solid years when i was practicing medicine and they are the best and in america to go far in the world and to go from this sort of gold standard down to this sort of, you know, people have

a bad distrust of that. it's been very disappointing to me. it can be reversed course. the science is good. it is. they are and ultimately i think it can. it can come back out on top. how do you explain it to yourself? i can explain the anti science, you know, everything that i've done when we 1st figured out how to do heart transplants in heart lung transplants in the 1st cardiac surgery. it was all, all based on science. when you look at pharmacology in the monoclonal antibodies in the vaccines, it all is science. this is built around, blinded to double blinded, controlled trials. so the rejection of all these fundamentals that we know have worked that have saved millions of lives in the past is really not understandable to me today. it is complicated by the whole fake news thing where, but where out there people say science does not mean anything. so it's incumbent on the scientists not only to do good science, but to develop good communication in promoting what is healthier. and that is

effective science, which we know is life savings. couple of political questions. you think the republicans will lose when jollity in the senate? you know it, it depends on what happens in the next 30 days. much of this election is built around a president trump, and he's in intensivist in the sense that how is he is going to be both pull out the republicans and that base of republicans and the intensivist also for the democrats who basically just can't stand what he may so a lot is going to depend over the next 30 days. i think if, if the election stays on coded, lack of trust coming out of government, lack of integrity, anti science, this bravado of it were something that were not. i think things will switch to do that will go democratic for sure. i think if republicans, it can effectively go where president trop is strong, at least at boeing today. and that is that he can handle the economy better than

biden. and that it will swing bridge public and that the republicans will keep the senate and president trouble when i will have to say over the last 2 and a half, 3 weeks. where every day the trump campaign has had a misstep, has stayed on coded have stayed with this argument. the american people just don't believe that we beat this virus. it is going to be less likely that at least president trump went. and i think it's too early to tell, it's too early to make predictions. today, we know all the popular polls. we know what they've been in the past, but i think it's going to be what happens to 2 or 3 days before the election. if he stays on, covert stays on health care or stays on women's issues. one thing i will say is, is the debate comes these debates come forward, the it will be interesting to see. i think if we look at where, where joe biden has the last few days, he says i would be the president of all americans, whether he voted for me or you voted for, for president try. i'm your president. i'm going to listen to you and he's clearly reaching to the middle president, trump,

i'm not sure he's going to do that. i think he's going to say, you know, my baby, it is mainly white men, not women biden's basis is, you know, more women in time in history. and there are more women who looks like him to be voting for biden, in a presidential race than ever. the man is white men and therefore got a got to appeal to this sort. ringback of strong sturdy leadership, i got to show people that i'm strong on the economy. yet we haven't seen that even in the last few days. so it really depends on where this messaging goes over the next 30 days. do you miss washington? you know what? it wasn't, was a little bit different when i was there a 1000000, we had our disagreements, we had our partisanship. but i will say when i was majority leader, we passed the big legislation in a nonpartisan way. if you look at things like pepfar, hiv aids globally, things that we know have saved 20000000 lives over time. that was bipartisan, that we look at what we did in medicare to make prescription drugs for seniors,

people. so that was sort of a democratic issue as an expansion of medicare, but no republicans led on it with democrats. and today you don't see that is mug shot. i think for people such as myself, who want to get the good out of both sides in bring them together, stay principled. it's a harder place to survive. it's not that way for ever. i hope, i think, believe so i missed the big policy. i miss the, the ways of changing the course of history to the benefit of people and raising them up and health and education. certainly don't miss the politics of it. how you'll be voting by mail. how will you handle it? you know, in our primary a voted by mail, but i am going to be in town. so i'm going to vote in person. you know, i think it is interesting because in talking to the pollsters, people who are absentee balloting and voting before election day tend to be fall into the democrats. by a sort of overwhelmingly, by absentee balloting,

people who vote in person are going to probably end up voting more republican than democrat. and course that means on election day if that's right. and that's sort of maybe hypothetical a little bit, but that's what the posters tell me. they're the day of the election. it could well be that president trump is a, had a few percentage points, but it won't be until 2 and a half weeks afterwards. that the final election as they are, will have this huge wave of democratic votes coming in. and right now we are, we have a council on an intellectual election integrities called a national council of election integrity, that just this week went public. and with that have 40 people sort of 20 democrats or any republicans, all former elected officials, cabinet secretaries, just a great group of people. and this election integrity is the thing that every vote counts that everybody should vote and that the system can be trusted today. and i think that's an important message and i would encourage the american people to,

to listen, to adhered to because we're going to hear a lot through, you know, different people in out of washington that the elections are messy and dishonest and you can't trust them. and that's just absolutely not true to sylvia medico or go overseas. now larry, i did up until about 4 years ago. so every year i would spend anywhere from a week to a month, even though i was in the united states senate for those 12 years. and in the 12 years since then, going to some country either in africa or in latin america and doing surgery and taking a team down there in an ethical way that would continue and stay there. and i've stopped doing it about 8 years ago, but continue to support those efforts, which i think is so important. i think our, our standing in the world, again, this is not where the white house is today. are our national security today, our national health depends on what the health is of our globe. these viruses come from around the world. we've got to be involved with the world community. i did it

in my own little way before, but what i do hope is that our government will increasingly stay involved through things like the world health organization and others that are out there today. bill, you're an extraordinary american. do you remain optimistic yet, larry? i am out to mistaken in a lot of people will just always say they're optimistic, but i say in part through the podcast, my a 2nd opinion that i hear people who see these shuji ensure mountable problems and they see them and they're not visionaries. but this area of innovation where we, have this sort of technology l., they are the wisdom that's out there, the smart, it's out there that solving these big problems in ways that we just can't even imagine today. and i see it in a see it in health care, a lot of see the emerging technology, the innovation, not just in the science, but in the way we deliver that care. you think of tele medicine, you think of tele health when even think of that before coated in now millions of

people millions benefit every single day because of that single technology. when you say that you can't help but, but to be excited about the future, we get have a very wild election day. and 2 weeks afterwards. and i don't worry, again, people need to get out and vote. are going to matter. and the process we've got to be patient, it's ok to be patient to get the final result. bill vantz. see it time today. always great talking with you. thank you, larry. you can listen to his podcast. the secondo pinion on apple podcasts, youtube, or add 2nd opinion podcast dot com, and thank you audience for joining me on this edition of politicking. remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things. and don't forget to use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politic

people look for to see whether what we're saying is actually playing out in the real world. and sort of thing to look at would be the u.s. dollar versus the chinese or other big. ok, that's the main 4 expire. that's going to tell you what's happening in the global economy. if what this, all this debt is going to trigger all this money printing, the dollar will start to drift lower and it's already, you know, looking very weak. and i think the last 4 years under they've been able to kind of propped up not to a large degree. but i think maggie going to see a serious decline the dollar. you can see the chinese currency start to really outperform the dollar

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