landing in the city of square, he was taken to hospital and put into an interest coma. the opposition activists was then or lifted to germany for treatment. then a felony case, much more or less the scale in interview with the kremlin spokesperson to make your peskov. he spoke with artie's, anton, the exclusive interview will be airing in full throughout the day. here's a taster. we are interested in the investigation of all the circumstances of what happened if we want to know the truth. so we said, please help us if you have information that we do not have, please share it with us. but no one wanted to cooperate. sometimes it seems that the patient does not want that truth to be out himself. and i regret doing it, but sometimes it seems the patient is not that sick when there are a lot of questions about his illness too. and if he is ill, we need to know how bad and whether his disease can fade and come back. well,

you have to agree that there are more questions than answers. certainly an interesting child thought peter lavelle and his cross talk the push to punish trump supporters in the age of biden, next, real or imagined you decide at and will

hello and welcome across town where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. what does the election results today? tell us about the state of american politics. there was no blue wave. instead, there was a red ripple instead of calls for reconciliation. there are those looking to punish trump supporters. one step forward 2 steps back. there is gus. these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest in syracuse. we have how he is a former candidate for the green party nomination for u.s. president. and in atlanta, we cross is around she is a us independent presidential candidate. all right, cross up rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want, and i always appreciate. ok, so why don't we go to you 1st, where do we stand right now?,

a little more than a week outside of the election. we have the g.o.p., a lot of the most conservatives refusing to recognize joe biden as president elect with some cretin states. there hasn't been any vote certification yet. and on top of that, there are more and more calls of fraud and 70 percent, according to a number of polls. say over republicans. they don't believe the outcome of the election. so we're in a pretty bad place right now. if we care act in the least, how a bipartisan deal wanting to know exactly what happened in this election because we don't at this point, go ahead. i think what's happening is we do have a very awkward situation. the whole, think with the pandemic, a lot of people were afraid to go vote in person and what not, in terms of the mail in ballots. there was a large amount of them. there is currently evidence that is being shown that there

are, you know, a lot of tampering with mail in ballots. that's something that i would have been expected. a lot of people that they're trying to locate right now that it says that they were voting, that might have been just ceased. you know, they asked me some sort of their fixation. so, overall, in the united states, this is a barrister to the world. you know, to see that we're having an issue this far along. i believe that every vote does have to count, but it has to be of the from, you know, verified citizens. and that's, that's a huge issue. you know, i think more than anything else. and then another reminder is that who system isn't that where using 40 election, you have it's an online system for those who have 0 in person to my knowledge. that's bill gates is behind it. it's. he has to do it, that's just and that's well, and that's a conflict of interest because it's really anybody with a touch of a button can manipulate the elections one way or another, even at a local level. so those are things that we need to consider all or all as you know,

it was there are going to be cynical here. i think many people were aware of it in took advantage. and i think that the, that's what's really kind of disheartening because i am not for this mailing letters. i mean absentee use for people that are elderly from the military, the standards, i'm all for here. but with this introduction, you know, you know, we have the left saying, you know, all vote all the matter. no, not all legal votes matter. ok, howie, let me go to you because it seems to me that this is, you know, in a sense, kind of been tense. and then we have the liberal media gaslighting us, you know, assurance shaming us voters shaming us per oh. for each contestant in disagreeing, i just want to know what, ok, because if we don't know what happened and this process is politically pushed over,

a lot of people up to 70000000, people are going to feel disenfranchised, and will point to be entire. let's and process. and concept into town. your tenure? well, this was a referendum on trump, chaired by night and didn't present a program. he was not drunk. so the country remains polarized because the election didn't deal with issues. i don't have a problem with mail in ballots. is a paper trail, they can be verified. and the ballot marking devices that surround instant are an issue, maine. i had a strange experience of watching my vote decline in florida. over 2 hours is the u.p.s. was reporting now maybe that was just, there are people in each county in $800.00 clerks making mistakes. but you know, because that technology is private and software is proprietary. there is the possibility of malfeasance. that's where we need to be concerned. but i think the

narrative from republicans, i don't think it's about winning the election. i think it's about the stablish of the narrative going forward for the next 4 years. so they can mobilize their people around a stolen election. and i think that's a problem, and biden didn't address a lot of, you know, working class middle class trump, voters yet look at the exit polls. the trouble, his top issue is economics. the biden voters was called, the democrats don't have a message. and so, you know, traditional democratic voters are looking for an alternative in to democrats and disappointed him. and i think that's, that helps account for the polarization. so you know, for us as greens there is very frustrating because we're right in aren't green and deal medicare for all real or reorder. as in our reprivatize in federal budgets from so much military to social and environmental protections. majority of people who are with us, you know, by boat opinion polls,

but we were totally blanked out well now, and i'm so glad you said that because if you look at so many issues and you're right, this is campaign had almost nothing to do with issues and had to do about one person's personality and a in a mask. ok. and neither are, are good enough reasons to vote one way or another, or even to vote in my opinion here. and so, right, you know, we, you know, we, we just talked about, you know, the britney in the, can the republicans creating a narrative? well, it's kind of payback, isn't it? because they, because the liberals never accept that donald trump is president. so i mean, you know what goes around comes around ok. we've seen this narrative before and, and, and i think that's awful. ok, because what will, how will, how much the trump actually achieved in his 1st term, not very little. the day of his low, his popularity, that the very lowest of his popularity in public opinion polls, if they were right,

was the day he signed the tax cut. and that's the only thing that's his signature policy for 4 years. so, you know, should anybody be surprised that you're not my president, you know, that is maybe taken on by the g.o.p. and i mean mcconnell is look like he's got no on board. we have lindsey graham, others, which kind of surprised me up that they were going to be on the sidelines. but this is not what you want. this is what the left did that to donald trump. so should i mean, really? i asked peter, are you really surprised? take a lot of your time without a holiday with biden on it. me. i'm a little surprised that would seem high priced, you know, why? because the republican party never embrace donald trump. go ahead. yeah. but those are the war mongols, those are there when they are waiting for somebody like that to go into power. i'm not surprised at all that those are the people, those, those are never true republicans from that start. but looking at it from an

objective point of view, i would have to tell you it's the media's fault, more than anything else. this is turned into such a marketing scam from the very beginning, it's trying versus the media where it should really be about the people. you know, i've always said the media is the 4th branch of government because it moves public opinion and we've seen a number of times and they're the ones that are the narrative. they're, they're the ones that are pushing this division within the country. it should be the other way around. they should really focus on back to the investigative journalism. they're the ones that should be looking into these discrepancies and try to, you know, show the people, you know, where my house was, say, you know, where, where is this coming from? a, where is it's going for the next and the future. and i use, are you surprised if they do? what are you surprised? it does. and i'm not because the media, they are ideologically driven. i mean they know where they know what side of the bread they're the butter is on. ok. i mean,

they identify they define with these ideological leitz in the democratic party is men think they really look down to most voters with new agree? is that all time a quip or a sense of it? who are the ones that are behind that? that's exactly it. if you look at the trail, look at the trace and see everybody's related to everybody else. and the majority of them are liberals, if not all of them. so the democrats themselves have turned into the radicals. i mean, al least when they were back to the way they were, you know, during our kennedy's time and even a little bit, you know, around that era. you see that there was issues before it that they would be able just gusting, you know, now, nowadays it's not even about that. it's all about, you know, maintaining the divisions, maintaining, you know, so they can control the population and the thinking now that this whole cold it, it's been a back and forth one way or another and they're playing into people's fears like they usually direct these politicians should just be able to manipulate the people

and that's what's wrong, isn't where their styles as americans to be played like cons and people's hands. and that's not what this is about. how the american way really it's, it is to sustain the status quo. i mean, you know, if you like or dislike donald trump is, is neither here nor there in this sense because, you know, he touched a nerve, he touched a nerve with working people and he touched a nerve with people that want to can continue controlling the country very much as we would so i said about controlling the narrative ahead of the i think that's why the leafs in a bipartisan sense, you know, a lot of republican elites got behind biden because donald trump, let's face it. he's ignorant, he's not very competent. he's a lazy in, you know, for example, the national security state i think was on automatic pilot. you know, he talked about ending the endless wars in the report. i did not automatic, they, they were being actively against him, not, not autopilot. ok, but they,

they continued with their what they were going to do anyway. so each say i'm withdrawing the troops. we actually have more troops in the middle east. then we did at the start of that ministration. we had more drone strikes and escalated radically more special operations. and this was happening in countries that donald trump probably couldn't find on the map. that's what i mean not. i got my, i was a history as a long history as a hock in pro corporate on economic policies. so, you know, there is a progressive wing of the democratic party, but they are marginalized. the 1st thing, the elites did was attack them. they're talking about medicare for all and a green new deal, which they got from us, the green party. and you actually look at the candidates that ran on medicare for all for the house they want. it was their last word was it ran away from it. right, doc, i think the progressive as you know, went when sanders got defeated,

when the elites and all the candidates just close ranks against him. the progresses got behind biden without making any policy demands. and now, but i was going to ignore them because they have no leverage. well, i think they said that the, the biden people, if in fact he is inaugurated in january, will regret that. but you're right, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. they have all of their vile for their progressive in their own party. you know, when you look at that, if the defense budget gets passed every single year under donald trump, they, democrats gave him more money. so here's a guy that is a national security threat. he's a competent, you stupid. i give him a lot more money than he even asked or ok. that's a unified party when it comes to foreign policy. so, you know, the, you know, i'm, i'm very worried that it's just going to be a continuation. if indeed, there is a ministration, because there are things that don't sound out, there is an agenda no matter who's going to get elected. this is what not. you're

going to get a win or break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the election results. this is a story of women,

women with troubled histories and complex court cases. we know some of us gately, the whole lives out there. where nat, the person that if she's innocent, be considered the most dangerous of criminals. she's innocent. all the law, 23 hours of the day, tell me that it's not enough. and if it didn't world of women on death row, welcome back to crossed up. we're all things are considered. i'm peter. remind you . we're talking about the election results. ok, let's go back to atlanta. one of the things that's happened since the election. we've

had the former 1st lady, michelle obama, basically, voters shame, anyone. they didn't vote for her. basically calling them a racist, this is a very tired hires and dangerous narrative that constantly is being pushed from the left. and in all it does is divide people. it's a remarkable for a woman is living in a multimillion dollar house on martha's vineyard. i think voters shaming people and then we have the lincoln project that's basically me coming out and boxing people. and there's another project that is trumpeting, i'm sorry, focusing on people that were literally the trumpet ministration. not helping, hoping to assure that they never get work again. it's very solemn and it is very maoist, it is the 10 attempts to destroy people's careers in joe biden says he wants to reconcile with people. how do you square the 2? because it seems to me this is just a, a blood fest that they want to conduct and it's some kind of purge that they want

to conduct. how do you see it? it is, it's very scary to see how they keep on creating this division with that type of narrative. even within the trump supporters, a lot of the cubans who are for trump, are telling everybody that if you voted for biden, you know, you should go apologize to your parents. i saw somebody had posted that. i believe it was from that from us for trump. and it's, it's really sad to see that because that's not fair and it's kind of like we were discussing earlier. there was, or it was never about the issues. everybody made it seem about who likes trump and who doesn't. and that's what this election's about. and that's not what it's about . they don't see that this is way bigger than anything else. and no matter who's going to get elected unfortunately, because there is an agenda, nothing is going to change. we've seen what happen in the middle east in the foreign policy is just getting worse and having biden there right now. the issue

which trump is that he's not ignorant. i'm sorry, howie. you know, the guy is pretty smart and got this fire. actually, the ignorance comes in what the people that he surrounded himself with the adults in the room is they call it's horrible. it's hardly any, you know, is the worst america has ever had. and he take a look at who, you know, everybody that he's had in the positions that there are, he thinks he was trying to unite the party by putting these people in. but you can work with enemies and if they're working against you from the beginning and have their own agendas, that's what he did wrong. and no matter where this race goes later on, you know, down the road, whoever the winner is. i hope they do surround themselves with the right people for the right reasons. and the only way, i mean, i can tell everybody we have to pray. this is, this is really been a fight between good and evil. from the very beginning. i think the country needs a lot of prayers in order for us to be able to heal. yeah, well, howie, leave, it looks like that, you know, season rice, ben rhodes,

and samantha power may returning to the spotlight here. i mean, there are people in these kind of lore, one of the reasons why donald trump was elected in the 1st blank. ok. considering what the bible campaign is talking about, rape in china. again, one of the reasons why it's not legs was elected in the 1st place. i mean, they want to go back and 1016 in a sense, but they don't want to go back on them. sam, what made a trunk big tree possible? and i mean, it's really, it's almost to the point bizarre, where they just have a blind faith by a blind date. the bay are right and they know better. this professional manager is trial bench always because the rest, the best art is well educated or accredited as they are, they're making the same mistakes all over again. yeah,

we're not only heard it only the privilege of afford the vote for the green party. i'm thinking only this managerial class has the privilege to live under biden because biden's whole economic policy history is point being a fiscal hawk in crumbs for working class. but subsidies for the super rich in a jack were ations. and with mcconnell in the republicans now turning fiscal hawk again, and, you know, with biden saying he's going to partner with mcconnell, he's going to that his cabinet picks with mcconnell. i think that's what we can expect. so from our point of view, only the privileged could afford to go for wagner, trunk instead of for a real alternative. so yeah, that decked out pretty rich, and i got a lot of personal calls from prominent progresses. people would know their names and they were not trying to persuade me to say vote for biden. in the swing states,

they were saying they're making a transactional. if you say vote for back in the swing states, then i'll say vote for greens in the safe states, which is coercive, not persuasive. so my opinion of our so-called radical intelligentsia went down a few notches as a result of this campaign. you will be in it, but it's about power and it's not about policy unfortunately, where we left that years ago in the, in the media just piled on to perpetuate it sort of one of the things that, you know, i said in my introduction there was no blue wave, but there was a red ripple and i think it's very interesting looking at because i up i said for the longest time that trump hadn't expanded his base, but he did accept her at the expense of white college educated, white educated men, which is kind of interesting and we'll have to forensically try to understand that later. maybe it is that's connected with the new suburbia and rule divide in

american politics make, which may be the most important marker moving forward here. but you know, it after it, when the one of the truly, the poll said that binds up $14.11 in double digits. and at the end of the day, the g.o.p. had a pretty good night. they, it's expected that they will, those 11 seats in the house of representatives. so, you know, trump, you can, you can dismiss him as some kind of anomaly one off bizarre event. but i think i and i hope a pan pan racial coalition is in the making. but do you think to be honest with you i, i don't, i don't see that there's going to be any hope. so again, that they are not, and i'm hoping we have to have hope. yes. but if you take a look at those people that went into those seats in the house, they're actually, you know, cox 2 and also it's against the unit party. when it comes

to foreign policy, unfortunately that's the way it is. and i have to say, you know, i'm, i'm not that i don't look at myself as a trump supporter. i don't, i never have during his entire administration because he ruled this jeb bush. ok. i wanted a, i want it more of a letter right of center populist. like he ran as president then he ran his like you know, mitt romney? ok so that, that, that's my problem. but i think the message, maybe you had more hispanics, more blacks, more women just, but every single group were more voting for him in this election than 20068. that's got to mean something. don't you think? well, i mean, it is at the same time you have a lot of the event. jellicoe is also that we're playing a big hand in this election as well, letting their parishioners know, you know, this is all about more al and whether you're for abortion or you're against

abortion. and it's wrong that if you're a christian, you know, you have to vote for a trial. so there is, there is, you know, different areas that were being late as well. it wasn't just about where in 0. they were, the conservatives were more focusing on the issues and i believe that it went down to the local and the community and on a religious standpoint, they were pushing that narrative as well. but if you take a look at the people that are winning at a local level, unfortunately it has to do with popularity. it has to do with maintaining the control and the corruption. we've lost the essence of what a true politician really is here in the united states. it's supposed to be about the people and going back to what, how he was saying. and i honestly commend you for her, for sticking to your, you know, principles and values. because from what i recall back in july 16th, just i, you know, she was interchange and there was even some sort of app with hillary clinton on

those votes and where they can help each other back and forth with the democrats and the green party. so all i am really glad that you made it about the principles of the party and that's what everybody should do in iowa. and it's not about a popularity contest or how we can manipulate the election. if you take a look at the reform party, rocky, the last when the people that were on his campaign, the delegates, he bought everybody and their vote as well. so by being running as an independent, as i've always told everybody, i wish i could die now from the very beginning. but unfortunately, the way how the u.s. politics, where there are 2 major parties. and at the end, you have to choose those 2. it's going to take a lot of time before the americans. it's the educating people for them to realize, you know, that they're not working for you. they really are, it's never ending. don't you think if you kind of echo what you're saying, i mean, you know, we were america likes that they haven't solved is being the,

at the heart of the democratic experience and actually forcibly exports democracy. but i mean, i don't see that there's a really strong belief in democracy when you have this doowop really all of the time. it's kind of either or people like you. so people like howie or are made to be outliers. when the, the majority, the make sure the a potential voters in the country are not in line with any major party. ok, most are, are not affiliated. ok, but you would know that from the meat the way the media runs it because anyone that's outside of those, those 2 berry narrow things and they are very narrow parties. you know, you simply don't exist and they don't give you a voice. you know, i'm really happy to have told you here because you represent a lot of the ideas of a lot of people, me, electorate that never get an airing on the mainstream media. how weak, what is the response that you've had during this election cycle?

will particularly from young people, teenagers, and 20 somethings. they like our program. they're fighting for their future on a climate or racial justice on economic justice. so post-election, we've got hundreds of messages, pleading with this don't stop, go on. some of them are too young to vote, they want to vote for us next time. so that's one hopeful sign. going back to the idea of a multi racial working class coalition. you know, we didn't put it together nationally, but we elected about 2 dozen people to local office in this election. and some of those candidates did that. emanuel strada 26 year old became the mayor about one part in east los angeles. the city that's had a lot of problem with corruption, that young man has its hands full, but he built a coalition and beat the establishment. we had another candidate from all of us in baltimore running against a one party,

all democratic dictatorship on city council. there's been nothing but democrats, they're ok now it looks great. i'm afraid we've run out of time. we just need more diversity in politics. again, i want to thank my guests and sarah hughes and in atlanta. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. at you see you next time, remember president

speaks with refugees who fled i didn't want to leave my home, but my daughter said, mom my children i left to be ready for release is giving hope mainly to rich countries.