oh, a 1000000 have died in the the, in the world, we're not doing well. and then it goes back to the answer to question president trump has not done well. as commander in chief, his sole purpose should be at this juncture, the safety and security of the american people. and he's let us now. he has come forward even just in the last week has said this, mary, she should not be afraid. and as a heart transplant surgeon, as a cardiac surgeon, never tell a patient, don't be afraid of this virus, it is deadly. people need to respond. and in the response, you told people to do the wrong thing, that mask are not important. and that social distancing really doesn't have the impact what you may go in returned home from the hospital landing on the along there, and then taking off the back, ask what you know, the in the big picture. and i'll put my position a hat on. i think it was good. he went to the hospital, i think he had a potentially deadly disease. we don't know what he's right middle of it. he is still infectious. i think it was good. he went to the hospital,

he was ok. he came home from the hospital much the doctors had cleared him, still infectious. my expectation would be, he was, he pretty protects other people in the hospital. and i think the grandstand thing in coming home was totally unnecessary. and i think the american people are very disappointed is seeing that 5 minute pause with the cameras going where he, he clearly wanted to project leadership and he's beat this virus. but that's not the right message. now for the american people, the people here in nashville to our own families, i think is totally inappropriate. what do you make of this president? well, you know, he won a lot of things that he said, and a lot of people don't agree with the things that he's put forward in terms of his campaign and issue lee. but if you look at the progress that's been made in stripping back regulations, make it easier to start a small business. he's done. well overall, i think with manufacturing jobs, he has projected this image of leadership. and i say all that,

and i've been broadly disappointed in the integrity in the trust in to what i want . my children and my grandchildren to look up to as president of the united states . and it really comes down to what's been manifested with this virus, which shows that he has been anti science. that he puts hypothetical things out, which have not been proven. and because his voice is so loud, it leads people in the wrong direction. so he's done a lot of positive things, but this lack of integrity and directness with the american people when we're talking about their safety and security has been disappointing. while from all of that, can i assume we have all been for joe biden? well i don't want to get in what i'm voting for leiria at this point, and i think the we do have a choice in this particular election going forward. and i'm very hopeful the next 30 days, the differences in policies will be articulated a new think that the election will be determined in large part by president trout.

and what he does over the next 30 days, a lot of people will be voting for him because of president trump, and there are a lot of people, most people will be voting. who vote for biden, not me. maybe not most people, but a lot will be voting against what he has projected as president states. white house is now a call that hotspot is a surprise, you know? sadly, it doesn't only because every image that has been projected out of the most visited, most respected houses in the world. that is the white house has been one of disrespect for what science has said. this is not like we're just starting where we didn't know if masks really were, and we didn't know how transmissible. but this is after a 1000000, people have lost their lives. we have this science. and yet, even at the beginning of last week, we saw people without masks, no respect for social distancing with the commander in chief, having huge rallies with tens of thousands of people together,

not respecting the science. it's sad, i was very hopeful that the president would use this as a pivot point and now show the empathy of the 2 100000 people who died in this country. the 1000000 people around the world that there are things that we can do now. and if we don't do that, or if we continue to follow his example, will be hundreds of thousands more people who die. what about the treatments, the treatment that he's received, including a call about cocktails and the viral drug things that the public gives in getting? well, to do issues of the equity issues of whether vulnerable people would have gotten that treat mansur's. absolutely no, because it does the united states and doctors are very open because he was president. he got everything of the treatments been very good. the room to severely or the antibodies agree, and again, a fantastic therapy that will be hearing a lot more of a lot of these monoclonal antibodies will come forward in the next 3 months. and i think that's almost equally exciting as to the vaccine itself. but next

a method zone, which is a steroid, is a high high, high doses. steroids and i bacuna 1st met me of 25 years ago. i use those steroids in my transplant patients. and they are very effective figure the science shows, but they can also show disturbances in manifest side effects of disturbances of, of impulse, of a d. and lack of good decision making. or when you have covert 19, how long a oh, infected, you know, we don't we say 2 weeks and some people say as long as 20 days and that science is really being worked out today. but the, you know, the best data today now is it from the onset of symptoms within 2 weeks if you're no longer transmissible. but again, it's an individual thing. it depends on the initial bara load and that's sort of a gross average. so we don't really know if you take a particular person, but we know on average about 2 x. . how do you rate the quality of information that we get from from stock is at the

white house. it's been so mixed. i do think some of the media has it has been nit picking it. i mean these are record doctors are not trained communicators. a lot of it is stage of dell has been staged by the president's people. so i don't want to be too hard on the doctors and nor do i think that we need to know every single finding that is out there. so i'd give the doctors a b. plus or a solid b. plus as a physician, i'd like to know more. but you know, there is a limit as to how much you should get out the american people. what's the fine line of a train? what a patient can tell a doctor to say, can the president say, don't say anything. oh yeah. oh you're absolutely. you know, i haven't been implemented. laws have been in that position once you are there. it is generally expected that most personal information is going to be made public. with this president, we've seen a lot of withholding of information come back to his tax returns and he's been able to get away with it. in this particular case, i don't think that we need to know

a lot more. we know it's a deadly disease. we know he's in the middle of it. we know he is still transmissible and, and him, but what is infectious that other people can be infected? we know he's gotten the extent of the very best therapy that's out there today. his care needs to be continued. he again is sort of right in the middle of it. and it is not over us about the white house projection from the back lawn in the steps he wanted to project that it was that he has beat this virus and comes back to don't be afraid of it. and that is the wrong message. he has like every other person of viruses, not know who they're attacking. they will attack anybody anywhere in the world. and no person is above this virus and, and people need to know that so that they will wear their mask and take the appropriate precautions, which we absolutely know are life savings. the white house reportedly is not doing extensive contact tracing for people who attended the white house celebration for

the supreme court nominees of a good idea. no, it's crazy. given what we know today, and we know that context, racing is one of the most effective tools that we have in order to prevent the spread of disease. and we have a locus that is in the white house with as many as 20 people in the president's inner circle having been infected. and this is exponential, it's not just one person infecting one person, that's end of it. one person can affect one person, poppy people 1050 or 100. and when you start saying that men, hundreds of people through the white house who had this exposure to this, this nucleus, this, this note of infection and not be able to trace it as they fly back across the country is inexcusable. boy, as a doctor, this infection was living dr. you had a little nuts, right? you know, you did transfer heart transplants and lung transplants for unknown to him years and with that the viruses were my enemy. i would actually give people the sort of

steroids that the president is on. and the biggest concern is that a virus would come in and take them out. so i have always been afraid of these viruses. and i have been trained in terms of the g. and immunosuppression pretty heavily. have some pretty good places and i'm petrified of them. so i hate to see the leadership of our country come out and say, don't be afraid, don't worry about it. we can all be ok. do you or your oreo get orders? but i worry about a 2nd bump only because of the flu and the flu. the common influenza and everybody do get a flu shot. i've got mine just everybody, just can't get your flu shot. don't ask, i should just go get it. and i say that very seriously, with the flu coming in, it can be very confusing in terms of the symptoms themselves and people, but we just hope that they'll still quarantine. but will people get flu shots? will they get the appropriate testing? more people will be staying indoors and we know that this virus, once it's indoors,

is more dangerous. it's more deadly if it's in a building that it's outside it. we know that increasingly people could be spending time inside in many states today, like 2 weeks ago, we're seeing an increase in the incidence of this infection. i hope it doesn't continue, and that's why it's all the more important to do the social distancing wearing masks, get a flu shot. what we know words will be right back with bill frist and more politicking right after this baby's crying. of like saying french babies who say that so that was that they're actually follow the rhythmic pattern of, you know, mom versus me. so you know, show murder, they get that. it turns out she looked into it before. so what was happening was that the babies could actually hear their mothers speech in the room. joining me every thursday on the alex salmond show and obviously to get off of the

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well back to politicking, bill frist the former g.o.p. senator from tennessee who served as a senate majority leader from 2003, the 2007 heart and lung transplant surgeon and host of the podcast. a 2nd opinion rethinking american health he is in nashville. tell me about your podcast, larry, we have been doing the budget as you kind of inspired me 25 years ago in terms of the communication bill. and i try to do a lot of your approach to trying to cut right now into the heart of the matter, the bypass we do weekly, aton, as you can imagine, health and we target the health policy world with the medical world of medicine in covert and well being and mental health with this 3rd sector of innovation and how we can solve problems. so it's called a 2nd opinion and we've had huge success with it and we can cut right through the matter. we address all sorts of issues. we have government officials like the

f.b.i. with us. we have a leadership in government. we have some of the smartest innovators in terms of pharmacology, pharmaceuticals starting businesses around mental health and behavioral health. and then we come back to talk about health and well being that health is not just going to the hospital or getting a flu shot, but it really involves our well being our mental health and behavioral health. so thank you. you've been an inspiration. and with that, we look forward to another gracious by the way, the title, a 2nd opinion is a 2nd opinion, always a good idea. you know, it's a good idea, but it's a great question we talk about in our pond against a lot because it today where there is so much information coming in probably a 100 fold information comes in every day. now that even 5 years ago, that it's next to impossible for a single position to keep all of it in there. today with artificial in teligent is an augmented intelligence and the use of digital communications and archiving of

information is getting a little bit easier. so a 2nd opinion is not always necessary, but for those complicated, whether it's a diagnosis or potential treatment or a pathological specimen, i do how they recommend a 2nd opinion. what do you make of this rejection of science on the part of many politicians and many in the public? why would you reject science? you know, larry, the whole fake news has made it worse. and when i came to the united states senate, an issue when i was there just for 12 years, and i was the only physician in the senate. the last one had been there in 192865, years before in washington d.c., where it has gotten a little bit better. you know, there are a few more people doctors in the senate, but for the most part in washington there is a lack of appreciation in the legislative branch of science. this anti science

movement is difficult to, to explain. but people will come back and say, well, initially said, don't wear a mask and we do same where mask. now, that's not a rejection of science of saying science is wrong. this is a science. it depends on the accumulation of data over time and the collection and analytics of that data are what makes science overall. 'd so it has been aggravated again by the white house, which has had a clear anti science approach to the biggest challenges that we've had in a medical, maybe in an existential sense, in any regard in my lifetime. and to have much of what's coming out of the white house, either be anti science or having actively tried to influence what places like the c.d.c. are putting out in terms of guidelines, which all is based on science has been disappointing. i will say, i know the c.d.c., well i know the scientists there well have depended on their information for 30 years. and for 20 solid years when i was practicing medicine and they are the best

and in america to go far in the world and to go from this sort of gold standard down to this sort of, you know, people have a bad distrust of that has been very disappointing to me. it can be reversed course . the science is good, it is there, and ultimately i think it can, it can come back out on top. how do you explain it to yourself? i can explain the anti science, you know, everything that i've done when we 1st figured out how to do heart transplants in heart lung transplants in the 1st cardiac surgery. it was all, all based on science. when you look at pharmacology in the monoclonal antibodies in the vaccines, it all is science that is built around blinded to double blinded, controlled trials. so the rejection of all these fundamentals that we know have worked that have saved millions of lives in the past is really not understandable to me today. it is complicated by the whole fake news where,

but where out there people say science does not mean anything. so it's incumbent on the scientists not only to do good science, but to develop good communication in promoting what is healthier and that is effective science, which we know is life savings. couple of political questions. you think the republicans will lose when jollity in the senate. you know, it, it depends on what happens on the next 30 days. much of this election is built around a president trump, and he's in intensive hist in the sense that how is he is going to be both pull out the republicans and that base of republicans on the intensivist. also for the democrats who basically just can't stand what he may so a lot is going to depend over the next 30 days. i think if, if the elections stays on, code would lack of trust coming out of government, lack of integrity, anti science. this bravado, if it were something that were not, i think things will switch that would go democratic for sure. i think if

republicans it could affect it, we go where president tropp is strong, at least at boeing today. and that is that he can handle the economy better than biden, and that it will swing bridge public and that the republicans will keep the senate and present trouble when i will have to say over the last 2 and a half, 3 weeks, where every day the trump, campaign has had a misstep and stayed on code it have stayed with this argument. the american people just don't believe that we beat this virus. it is going to be less likely that at least president trump went. and i think it's too early to tell. it's too early to make predictions. today, we know all the popular polls. we know what they've been in the past, but i think it's going to be what happens the 2 or 3 days before the election. if he stays on, kobe stays on health care, or stays on women's issues. one thing i will say is, is the debate comes these debates come forward? it'll be interesting to see. i think if we look at where, where joe biden has the last few days, he says i would be the president of all americans,

whether you voted for me or you voted for, for president trying. i'm your president. i'm going to listen to you and he's clearly reaching to the middle president, trump, i'm not sure he's going to do that. i think he's going to say, you know, my baby, it is mainly white men, not women biden's basis is, you know, more women in time in history. and there are more women who looks like him to be voting for biden, in a presidential race than ever. the man is white man and therefore got a got appeal to this sort of strong, sturdy leadership. i got to show people that i'm strong on the economy. yet we haven't seen that even in the last few days is so it really depends on where this messaging goes over the next 30 days. do you miss washington? you know, a, russian was a little bit different when i was there a 1000000. we had our disagreements, we had our partisanship, but i will say when i was majority leader, we passed the big legislation in a nonpartisan way. if you look at things like pepfar, hiv aids globally,

things that we know of have saved 20000000 lives over time. that was bipartisan, that we look at what we did in medicare to make prescription drugs for seniors, people. so that was sort of a democratic issue as an expansion of medicare, but no republicans led on it with democrats. and today you don't see that is mug shot, i think for people such as myself, who want to get the good out of both sides and bring them together, stay principled. it's a harder place to survive. it's not that way forever. i hope, i think, believe so i missed the big policy. i missed the ways of changing the course of history to the benefit of people and raising them up and health and education certainly not missed the politics of it. how you'll be voting by mail. how when you have a little, you know, in our primary a voted by mail, but i am going to be in town. so i'm going to vote in person. you know, i think it is interesting because in talking to the pollsters,

people who are absentee balloting and voting before election day tend to be fall into the democrats by a sort of overwhelmingly by absentee balloting of people who vote in person are going to probably end up voting, more republican than democrat and course that means on election day if that's right . and that's sort of maybe hypothetical a little bit, but that's what the posters tell me. they're the day of the election. it could well be that president, trump is a, had a few percentage points, but it won't be until 2 and a half weeks afterwards. that the final election as they are, will you have this huge wave of democratic votes coming in. and right now we are, we have a council on an intellectual election integrities called a national council of election integrity, that just this week went public. and with that have 40 people sort of 20 democrats or any republicans, all former elected officials, cabinet secretaries, just a great group of people. and this election integrity is the thing that every vote

counts that everybody should vote and that the system can be trusted today. and i think that it's an important message and i would encourage the american people to, to listen, to adhered to because we're going to hear a lot through, you know, different people in out of washington that the elections are messy and dishonest and you can't trust them and that's just absolutely not true. do you still have to be a medical or go over scenes? now, larry, i did up until about 4 years ago. so every year i would spend anywhere from a week to a month, even though i was in the united states senate for those 12 years, and then the 12 years since then, going to some country either in africa or in latin america and doing surgery and taking a team down there in an ethical way that would continue and stay there. and i've stopped doing it about 8 years ago, but continued support those efforts, which i think is so important, i think are our standing in the world. again, this is not where the white house is today, are our national security today,

our national health depends on what the health is of our globe. these viruses come from around the world. we've got to be involved with the world community. i did it in my own little way before, but what i do hope is that our government will increasingly stay involved through things like the world health organization and others that are out there today. bill, you're an extraordinary american. do you remain optimistic yet, larry? i am out to mystic and in a lot of people will just always say they're optimistic. but i say in part through the podcast, my a 2nd opinion that i hear people who see these shuji ensor mountable problems and they see them and they're not visionaries. but this area of innovation where we, have this sort of technology l., they are the wisdom that's out there, the smart, it's out there that solving these big problems in ways that we just can't even imagine today. and i see it in a see it in health care, a lot of see the emerging technology, the innovation, not just in the science,

but in the way we deliver that care. you think of tele medicine, you think the tele health when even think of that before coated in now millions of people millions benefit every single day because of that single technology. when you say that you can't help but, but to be excited about the future, we get have a very wild election day. and 2 weeks afterwards. and i don't agree. again, people need to get out and vote. those votes are going to matter. and the process we've got to be patient, it's ok to be patient to get the final result. bill, thanks for your time today. always great talking with you. thank you. you can listen to his podcast. the 2nd don't pinion on apple podcast, spotify, you tube, or at 2nd opinion podcast dot com, and thank you audience for joining me on this edition of politicking. remember, you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things. and don't forget to use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of

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