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president putin says fighting has stopped in the disputed, not go to region where russian peacekeepers are now enforcing a cease fire between armenia and azerbaijan. we hear from refugees who fled the conflict. i didn't want to leave my home, but another siren. my daughter said mom, they're coming for the sake of my children. i left the news pfizer's a new covert vaccine could soon be ready for release, has got rich countries scrambling to get their hands on the job, leaving a poor nation is at the back of the queue. and russia accuses germany of playing
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for time in the election. a volley poisoning probe the kremlin spokesperson tells our team that repeated requests for information have been turned down. we want to know the truth. so we said, please help us if you have information that we do not have, please share it with us. but no one wants to cooperate with your headlines for more on those stories, you can go to r.t. dot com and check it out. my good colleague, neil harvey, will be here about an hour's time with a new, full and fresh look at your news. with the looming welcoming cross-talk where all things are considered on people about what
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does the election results to date. tell us about the state of american politics. there was no blue wave. instead, there was a red ripple instead of calls for reconciliation. there are those looking to punish trump supporters. one step forward 2 steps back. there is gus. these issues and more i'm joined by my guest in syracuse. we have howie. arkansas is a former candidate for the green party nomination for u.s. president. and in atlanta, we cross is around. she is a us independent presidential candidate or across up rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate. ok, so i only go to you 1st here. where do we stand right now?, a little more than a week outside of the election. we have the g.o.p., a lot of the most conservatives refusing to recognize a job, i missed president elect with some cretin states. there hasn't been any vote
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certification yet. and on top of that, there are more and more calls of fraud and 70 percent according to a number of polls saying republicans, they don't believe the outcome of the election. so we're in a pretty bad place right now. if we camped in the least, how a bipartisan deal wanting to know exactly what happened in this election because we don't at this point, go ahead. i think what's happening is we do have a very awkward situation. the whole, think with the pandemic, a lot of people were afraid to go vote in person and what not, in terms of the mail in ballots. there was a large amount of them. there is currently evidence that is being shown that there are, you know, a lot of tampering with the mail and ballots. that something that i would have been expected. a lot of people that they're trying to locate right now that it says that they were voting, that might have been just ceased. you know,
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they asked me some sort of their think asians overall in the united states, this is a barrister to the world. you know, to see that we're having an issue this far along i believe that every vote does have to count, but have to be of the from, you know, their fight citizens. and that's, that's a huge issue. you know, i think more than anything else. and then another reminder is that whose system isn't that? where using for any election, you have it's an online system for those who have though in person to my knowledge . that's bill gates, it's the height. it's if he has to do it, that's just and that's well and that conflicts of interest because it's really anybody with a touch of a button can manipulate the elections one way or another, even at a local level. so those are things that we need to consider all or all as you know, there are, they certainly will be cynical here. i think many people were aware of it in took advantage and are ok. and i think that that's what's really kind of disheartening
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because i am not for this scale of mailing letters. i mean absentee for people that are elderly for the military, the standards, i'm all for here. but with this introduction, you know, you know, we have the left saying, you know, all vote all the matter. no, not all legal votes matter. ok. however, let me go to you because it seems to me that this is, you know, in a sense, kind of intense. and then we have the liberal media gaslighting us, you know, assurance shaming us voters shaming us per ok. for each contestant in disagreeing, i just want to know what, ok, because if we don't know what happened and this process is politically pushed forward, a lot of people up to 70000000 people are going to feel disenfranchised, and it will point to be entire let's and process and concept into town. your tenure?
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well, this was a referendum on trump, chaired by night and didn't present a program. he was not drunk. so the country remains polarized because the election didn't deal with the issues. i don't have a problem with mail in ballots. is a paper trail, they can be verified. and the ballot marking devices that surround instant are in issue, maine. i had a strange experience of watching my vote decline in florida. over 2 hours is the u.p.s. was reporting now maybe that was just, there are people in each county and $800.00 clerks making mistakes. but you know, because that technology is private and software is proprietary. there is the possibility of malfeasance. that's where we need to be concerned. but i think the narrative from republicans, i don't think it's about winning the election. i think it's about the stablish of the narrative going forward for the next 4 years. so they can mobilize their people
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around a stolen election. and i think that's a problem, and biden didn't address a lot of, you know, working class middle class trump, voters yet look at the exit polls. the trouble, his top issue is economics. the biden voters was called, the democrats don't have a message. and so, you know, traditional democratic voters are looking for an alternative in to democrats and disappointed him. and i think that's, that helps account for the polarization. so you know, for us as greens, it was very frustrating because we're right on aren't green, deal medicare for all real or reorder as in our reprivatize in federal budgets from so much military to social and environmental protections. majority of people who are with us, you know, by boat opinion polls. well, we were totally blanked out well, and i'm so glad you said that. because if you look at so many issues and you're right, this is campaign, had almost nothing to do with issues and had to do about one person's personality
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and a in a mask. ok. and neither are, are good enough reasons to vote one way or another, or even to vote in my opinion here. and so, right. you know, we, you know, we, we just talked about, you know, the britney in the, can the republicans creating a narrative? well, it's kind of payback, isn't it? because they, because the liberals never accepted donald trump as president. so i mean, you know what goes around comes around. ok. we've seen this narrative before and, and, and i think that's awful. ok, because how will, how much the trump actually achieved in his 1st term? not very little. the day of his low, his popularity that the very lowest of his popularity in public opinion polls. if they were right, was the day he signed the tax cut, and that's the only thing, that's his signature policy for 4 years. so, you know,
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should anybody be surprised that you're not my president, you know, that is maybe taken on by the g.o.p. . and i mean mcconnell is look like he's got no on board. we have grandmothers, which kind of surprised me up that they were going to be on the sidelines. but this is not what you want. this is what the left did that to donald trump. so should i mean, really? i asked peter, are you really surprised? take a lot of your time without a holiday with biden anaemic me. i'm a little surprised that it would seem high priced, you know, why? because the republican party never embrace donald trump. go ahead. yeah. but those are the war mongols. those are there when they are waiting for somebody like that to go into power. i'm not surprised at all that those are the people, those, those are never true republicans from that start. but looking at it from an objective point of view, i would have to tell you it's the media's fault, more than anything else. this is turned into such a marketing scam from the very beginning. it's trying versus the media where it should really be about the people. you know,
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i've always said the media is the 4th branch of government because it moves public opinion and we've seen a number of times and they're the ones that are the narrative. they're, they're the ones that are pushing this division within the country. it should be the other way around. they should really focus on back to the investigative journalism. they're the ones that should be looking into these discrepancies and try to, you know, show the people, you know, where my house was, say, you know, where, where is this coming from? a, where is it's going for the next and the future. and are you, sir? are you surprised if they do? what are you surprised? it does, and i'm not because the media, they are ideologically driven. i mean they know where they know what side of the bread they're. the butter is on. ok. i mean, they identify they have been a fine with these ideological leitz in the democratic party is methink. they really look down to most voters with new agree. is that all time a quip or a sense of it?
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who are the ones that are behind that? that's exactly it. look at the trail, look at the trace and the everybody is related to everybody else. and the majority of them are liberals, if not all of them. so the democrats themselves have turned into the radicals and the alleys, when they were back to the way they were, you know, during our kennedy's time and even a little bit, you know, around that era. you see that there was issues before it that they would be able just gusting, you know, now, nowadays it's not even about that. it's all about, you know, maintaining the divisions, maintaining, you know, so they can control the population and the thinking now that this whole cold it, it's been a back and forth one way or another and they're playing into people's fears like they usually direct these politicians should just be able to manipulate the people and that's what's wrong, isn't where their selves as americans to be played like cons in these people's hands. and that's not what this is about. how the american paid really it's, it is to sustain the status quo. i mean, you know,
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if you like or dislike donald trump is, is neither here nor there in this sense because, you know, he touched a nerve, he touched a nerve with working people and he touched a nerve with people that want to can continue controlling the country very much as we would so i said about controlling the narrative. go ahead. having. yeah, i think that's why the leads in a bipartisan sense, you know, a lot of republican elites got behind biden because donald trump, let's face it. he's ignorant. he's not very competent. he's a lazy in, you know, for example, the national security state i think was on automatic pilot. you know, he talked about ending the endless wars in the rebut. i did not automatic, they, they were being actively against him, not, not autopilot. ok, but they, they continued with their what they were going to do anyway. so each say i'm withdrawing the troops. we actually have more troops in the middle east. then we
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did at the start of that ministration. we had more drone strikes and escalated radically more special operations. and this was happening in countries that donald trump probably couldn't find on the map. that's what i mean, not. i got my music history as a long history as a hockey in pro corporate on economic policies. so, you know, there is a progressive wing of the democratic party, but they are marginalized. the 1st thing the leats did was attack them. they're talking about medicare for all and a green new deal, which they got from us, the green party. and you actually look at the candidates that ran on medicare for all, for the house they want. it was their last word was it ran away from it. right, doc. i think the progressive as you know, went when sanders got defeated, when the elites and all the candidates just close ranks against him, there progresses. got behind biden without making any policy demands. and now, but i'm going to ignore them because they have no leverage. well, i think that the,
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the biden people, if in fact he is inaugurated in january, will regret that. but you're right, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. they have all of their vile for the progressives in their own party. you know, when you look at the defeat of the defense budget that's passed every single year under donald trump, the democrats gave him more money. so here's a guy that is a national security threat. he's a competent you stupid. give him lord. i mean, he even asked for ok, that's a human a party when it comes to foreign policy. so, you know, the, you know, i'm, i'm very worried that it's just going to be a continuation, if indeed there is a ministration. it was refusing to hand out. there is an agenda no matter who's going to get elected. this is all down to what you're going to get, which are great. and after a bunch of break, we'll continue our discussion on the election results.
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said all these big guns are really taking a position against us dollars. they've got to stand, stand up and give god also anti dollar is a great value. he's heading into gold. thanks. dollar is going to be very bad situation going forward. he has not yet jumped into the pinpoint both, but i predict he will very soon. you've got warren buffett. he doesn't like big point, but he is putting a lot of money work in japan to get out of the dollar. and you've got baltar. jonesy is having to go into big point. so all the titanic, you know, movers and shakers of the global financial world are tiptoeing away from the dollar . is your media a reflection of reality?
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in a world transformed what will make you feel safe? isolation, community. are you going the right way or are you being led away? what is true? what is faith? in the world corrupted, you need to descend to join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. during the vietnam war, us forces also bombs in neighboring laos. there was a secret war and for years the american people did not know until our thelma is
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officially carry back country per capita. all human history. millions of unexploded bombs still in danger lives in this small agricultural country. jordyn wieber. even today, kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago. is the us making amends for that tragedy in laos. what help do the people need in that little land of mines? welcome back to crossed up for all things are considered. i'm peter. all melt remind you, we're talking about the election results. ok, let's go back to atlanta. one of the things that's happened since the election. we've had the former 1st lady obama, basically, voters shame,
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anyone. they didn't vote for basically calling them a racist. this is a very tired, tiresome, and dangerous narrative that constantly is being pushed from the left. and all it does is divide people. it's a remarkable for a woman is living in a multimillion dollar house on martha's vineyard. i think voters shaming people. and then we have the lincoln project that's basically me coming out and boxing people. and this is another project that is trumpeting. i'm sorry, focusing on people that were literally the trumpet, ministration of helping, hoping to assure that they never get work again. it's very stalinist, very maoist. it is the 10 attempts to destroy people's careers, you know, in joe biden says he wants to reconcile with people. how do you square the 2? because it seems to me this is just a, a, a, a blood fest that they want to conduct and it's some kind of purge that they want
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to conduct. how do you see it? it is, it's very scary to see how they keep on creating this division with that type of narrative. even within the trump supporters, a lot of the cubans who are for trump, are telling everybody that if you voted for biden, you know, you should go apologize to your parents. i saw somebody had posted that. i believe it was from that from latinas for trump. and it's, it's really sad to see that because that's not fair and it's kind of like we were discussing earlier. there was, or it was never about the issues. everybody made it seem about who likes trump and who doesn't. and that's what this election's about. and that's not what it's about . they don't see that this is way bigger than anything else. and no matter who's going to get elected unfortunately, because there is an agenda, nothing is going to change. we've seen what happened in the middle east in the foreign policy is just getting worse and having biden there right now. the issue which trump is that he's not ignorant. i'm sorry, howie. you know,
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the guy is pretty smart and got this fire. actually the ignorance cons in what the people that he surrounded himself with the adults in the room is they call it's horrible. it's harmful. i mean, you know, is the worst america has ever had. and he take a look at who, you know, everybody that he has had in the positions that there are even if he was trying to unite the party by putting these people in. but you can work with enemies and if they're working against you from the beginning and have their own agendas, that's what he did wrong. and no matter where this race goes later on, you know down the road, whoever it winner is. i hope they do surround himself with the right people for the right reasons. and the only way, i mean, i can tell everybody we have to pray. this is, this is really been a fight between good and evil. from the very beginning. i think the country needs a lot of prayers in order for us to be able to heal. yeah, i mean, it looks like that, you know, season rice,
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ben rhodes and samantha power may returning to the spotlight here. i mean, there are people in these kind of lore, one of the reasons why donald trump was elected in the 1st place. ok. considering what the bible campaign is talking about, trade in china. again, one of the reasons why it's not was elected in the 1st place. i mean, they want to go back and 1016 in a sense, but they don't want to go back on them. sam, what made a trump victory possible? and it's really, it's almost to the point bizarre, where they just have a blind faith by a blind date that they are right and they know better. this professional manager is triumphant always because the rest, the best are, is well educated or accredited as they are. they're making the same mistakes all over again. yeah,
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we not only heard it only the privileged can of we're afford to vote for the green party. i'm thinking only this managerial class has the privilege to live under biden because biden's whole economic policy history is point being a fiscal hawk and crumbs for the working class. but subsidies for the super rich in a jack were ations. and with mcconnell in the republicans now turning fiscal hawk again and it with biden saying he's going to partner with mcconnell. he's going to that his cabinet picks with mcconnell. i think that's what we can expect. so from our point of view, only the privileged could afford to go for wagner, trunk instead of for a real alternative. so yeah, that decked out pretty rich, and i got a lot of personal calls from prominent progresses. people would know their names and they were not trying to persuade me to say vote for biden. in the swing states,
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they were saying they're making a transactional. if you say vote for back in the swing states, then i'll say vote for greens in the safe states, which is coercive, not persuasive. so my opinion of our so-called radical intelligentsia went down a few notches as a result of this campaign. you will be in it, but it's about power and it's not about policy unfortunately, where we left that years ago in the, in the media just piled on to perpetuate it story. and one of the things that, you know, i said in my introduction there was no blue wave, but there was a red ripple. and i think it's very interesting looking at because i up i said for the longest time that trump hadn't expanded his base, but he did accept her at the expense of white college educated, white educated men, which is kind of interesting. and we'll have to forensically try to understand that later. maybe it is. that's connected with the new suburbia and rule divide in
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american politics make, which may be the most important marker moving forward here. but you know, it, after it was the only the truly, the poll said that binds up 14 and 11 in double digits. and at the end of the day, the g.o.p. had a pretty good night. they, it's expected that they will do so leben seats in the house of representatives. so, you know, you can, you can dismiss him as some kind of anomaly. one off bizarre event. but i think i may, and i hope a pan pan racial coalition is in the making. but do you think to be honest with you i, i don't, i don't see that there's going to be any hope. so again, that they are not, we have to have hope. yes, but if you take a look at those people that went into those seats in the house, they're actually, you know, cox 2 and also it's hillary. but that's the unit party. and when it comes
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to foreign policy, unfortunately that's the way it is. and i have to say, you know, i'm, i'm not a, i don't look at myself as a trump supporter. i don't, i never have during his entire administration because he ruled this jeb bush. ok, i wanted a, i want it more of a letter right of center populist. like he ran as president then he ran his like you know, mitt romney? ok so that, that, that's my problem here. but i think the message, maybe you had more hispanics, more blacks, more women just about every single group were more voting for him in this election than 20068. that's got to mean something. don't you think? well, i mean, it is at the same time you have a lot of the that jellicoe is also that were playing a big hand in this election as well, letting their parishioners know, you know, this is all about more al. and whether you're for abortion,
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or you're against abortion, and it's wrong that if you're a christian, you know, you have to vote for a trial. so there is, there is, you know, different areas that were being late as well. it wasn't just about where, you know, they were, the conservatives were more focusing on the issues and i believe that it went down to the local and the community. and on a religious standpoint, they were pushing that narrative as well. but if you take a look at the people that are winning at a local level, unfortunately it has to do with popularity. it has to do with maintaining the control and the corruption. we've lost the essence of what a true politician really is here in the united states. it's supposed to be about the people and going back to what, how he was saying. and i honestly commend you for her, for sticking to your, you know, principles and values. because from what i recall back in july 16th, just i, you know, she was interchange and there was even some sort of app with hillary clinton on
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those votes and where they can help each other back and forth with the democrats and the green party. so well, i am really glad that you made it about the principles of the party and that's what everybody should do, you know, and it's not about a popularity contest or how we can manipulate the election. if you take a look at the reform party, rocky, the last when the people that were on his campaign, the delegates, he bought everybody and their vote as well. so by being running as an independent, as i've always told everybody, i wish i could to now from the very beginning, but unfortunately the way how the u.s. politics, where there are 2 major parties. and at the end, you have to choose those 2. it's going to take much, a lot of time before the americans, it's the educating people for them to realize, you know, that they're not working for you. they really are, it's never something, don't you think? if you kind of echo what you're saying, i mean, you know, we were america likes,
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the base of itself is being the of the heart of the democratic experience and actually forcibly exports democracy. but i mean, i don't see that there's a really strong belief in democracy when you have this doowop really all of the time. it's kind of either or people like you. so people like howie are, are made to be outliers. when the, the majority, the make sure the a potential. ringback voters in the country are not in line with any major party. ok, most are are not affiliated. ok, but you would know that from the meat the way the media runs it because anyone that's outside of those, those 2 berry narrow things and they are very narrow parties. you know, you simply don't exist and they don't give you a voice. you know, i'm really happy to have told you here because you represent a lot of the ideas of a lot of people, me, electorate that never get an airing on the mainstream media. how weak, what is the response that you've had during this election cycle?
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will particularly from young people, teenagers, and 20 somethings. they like our program. they're fighting for their future on a climate or racial justice on economic justice. so post-election, we've got hundreds of messages, pleading with this don't stop, go on. some of them are too young to vote, they want to vote for us next time. so that's one hopeful sign. going back to the idea of a multi racial working class coalition. you know, we didn't put it together nationally, but we elected about 2 dozen people to local office in this election. and some of those candidates did that. emanuel strada 26 year old became the mayor about one part in east los angeles city. this had a lot of problem with corruption, that young man has its hands full, but he built a coalition and beat the establishment. we had another candidate from all of us in baltimore running against a one party,
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all democratic dictatorship on city council. there's been nothing but democrats, they're ok now it looks great. i'm afraid we've run out of time. we just need more diversity in politics. again, i want to thank my guests and sarah hughes and in atlanta. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. at you see you next time, remember this is a story of women, women with troubled histories and complex court cases. you know, some of us did really believe awful lives out there who were not the person that the cheesiness of the day are considered the most dangerous of criminals. she's in a still body.

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