boy, just for gold or yes, my way normally the words were, it was going to be truer words were courage. were it all sources show up over a word or 2 or right

now here she is. see the court is in there, right. would you bring that phone cord in the guy's? somebody up down. not only did cream bring that in, but he brought it in and drop the other. another portion of it in the purse. that's yes, that's absurd. i bet what happens here is she says he knocks around on the kitchen floor and they're like, it doesn't work. doesn't work, rene, not good enough, didn't, didn't he do it in the living room? look at this photo, look, i want to see you. oh yeah. that certainly doesn't sit with renee's not concise. now i want to see a real policeman for i think you heard that some wishful thinking. mike. i don't

think there is a real police report. i mean, i just don't maybe they sort of knew there were days. confession was not so good or not true. and so they didn't really want korean because they didn't really believe that he was there. that or that it happened like that. and so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody one taking on a case like rene's, the danger is always the case. evidence for other crimes, you know, that is, has not been preserved. if there's no crime scene evidence, or case evidence, then there's nothing to d.n.a. test. and if there's no d.n.a. to test, it's extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent. that's

from the heat here, right? in rene's piece, it was a very bloody crime scene. the murder weapon was never found, but there was a purse that had a bloody fingerprint in it, and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it. they d.n.a. tested some things, but not those. and the only d.n.a. found at the crime scene was the victim's phone. and the, i think out of 41 pieces of evidence, they tested 7 for d.n.a. . and so, you know, they're in trouble right at trial because you can't get convicted on your own confession alone. so they go and they try to round up, jailhouse snitches, but only one worked so it was her confession, and a jailhouse snitch,

which is so common in false confession cases and you have the confession and then the extra evidence because there's no physical evidence. the corroboration to the confession is snitch. no, by him they have no particular ok to you. ok. who do you mind if i sit down? this is all good. that's ok. you know, already i don't have a stream for you for the body will feel fine or we're trying, we're trying to do you remember interacting with any of the police officers back then? this isn't a student was name was very,

it is some of my impression looking back that thank you all here. she's guilty while she was guilty and he go make sure you do some time. it was a bloody crime. so now we know i was my fiancee, the d.n.a. . so these are all somebody else to be how i was one of the things that's one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest. the d.n.a. . there's knowledge, she has no chance. some cases we get and we look at them, and we, even if we believe the person citizen, we can say, well, i mean there's just for a variety of reasons, nothing we can do. there's something we can do here, but not a lot of people get exonerated.

hello, competition, and media. is this workout chance you could reach around? i just want to talk to you because i'm helping rene trying to get her out. can we come by? one trying to just talk to me. i mean, there's so much we need to ask the most and the most important thing i mean is so how she was told what her interactions with the police were running around with young with on drugs. you know, when i lived at home me every day and he didn't have a car with a promise, you anything like where you going to get out. let me out here when you write great . i want to get out and so you actually did get out. thank you. we really

appreciate it. ok, so that's good, that's helpful. 80 miles to 3.

let's talk about lorenzo montoya. 3 years on welfare. oh. time was right now is why you do your little reading of the word person being interviewed a lot. and so more and more to the ends of montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. he's 14 years old lorenzo when this happened, and he is tiny, like maybe 110 pounds, very young, a one year older overlap between male and lorenzo

is a mountain. they tell him there's these videotapes that show him abusing children, which there aren't in lorenzo's. they actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says, well, i'm a shoe print expert, and your shoe matches the print at the crime scene. was untrue you're going to be sent away for your drug arrest and then as you call the day, you are not rest until then it's going to have we've got one cause no one knows where you're there. so you are in their goals for the daily rounds of you're a very, very well for you. there are your friends a lot over there . if you are there worldwide. now that's interesting. he didn't say we had your

blood, we had your saliva. he said, we have that to be tested basically, right? there is, it was the moment a hot political issue still in the united states police a permitted to lie about evidence and say right out that we have a birthday on a fast. that is a shocking discovery. to most people,

most western countries don't permit it. the u.s. supreme court permits it. so consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence. they sometimes will get very specific about what that evidence is telling us that you are involved in something. they've already started that strafing process and the mother already is believing it on election night. you may know whether the margin for the winner is so large that it is impossible for the defeated candidate to catch up. so there may still be 10000 votes to count them, but the margin is 80000 votes. it doesn't matter if all 10000 votes went for the defeated candidate, they cannot possibly catch up and that's why we are today. joe biden's margin is so

large in all of the states that are being contested, that even though some other states have not finished counting, they still know who won. and joe biden won a majority of the electoral college votes.

the world is driven by a dream shaped by our own person in the day or thinks we dare to ask him, is facing probably his last battle as president. will he triumph over the generals

and will by his foreign policy, pick up where obama left off? clearly, neo cons again, be back in control. still going to see both of you. dead already. is a little bit, isn't it? is it true that the brain is you that you are surely that even better to savor it? so you did, you mean mistake? so he just introduced the word mistake, he's about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role as part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to is suspect that i think you're a good person i understand what you've been through. i sympathize with what you've

been through. often you hear normalizing statements like, you know what if i were in your situation, i would have done the same thing. and all by the way, i don't think you intended to do this. i think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it, or maybe you were provoked me to feel that it was the red zone. i don't think you'd ever done it. i did want to jack the car into one that did the communication moves in one direction. it is designed to leave the person the suspect. think the police don't think this is such a big deal and therefore be treated with leniency. ok, so one of my choices, either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak, or i can admit to what they want me to admit to, given all of the minimisation that they've given me and enjoy the benefit of that. who are going to go? you know, how do you risk their big look at how much they have communicated already. he now

knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not, he now knows enough about it to give you a description. so why are you here? we're here at sleaze house and senate computer here. nader jr. who kicked you in the head, of course, the building a story for him to tell, or is it, you know, a great ridge those shoes wrote part of the dre shoes. brazel position. your job is just right. he's now being set up. so that when he's ready to give a statement, he knows exactly what that's the game, you know, kicked in the head shoe dragging her through the blood. he's got a goal. so later

a judge and a jury is going to watch the final confession. and they're going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened. you know, those things if he was in there staring me down, oh, you made that up. i just stand there, watch your prior 5 minutes. you wait it up, you know, you're not going home tonight. i can guarantee that. and they did not put in a juvenile hall for her, which would be boys, you know, you read to mom, you talk now or say goodbye to your mom. it's pretty clear. and your cousin and your sister, it your goal and your life. is you ready

to what kim and in this person do results in the situation. anything i guess you could hold out rank for everyone. you just fall down. doesn't everybody have a breaking point? so why must he was in prison for 14 years, so he got out at 28. he was in solitary confinement for 4 years because when he goes into a grown up prison, he's 14 and he can't be in with the general population. so he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years, for $14.00 to $18.00, lorenzo was exonerated, and we have a similar rights suit pending for him. and the opposition are, you know, they're, they're moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for that. and

if you're being interrogated, you're not being interrogated because they're just looking for information you're being interrogated because they want you to confess. so today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction, which is that we have a retired n.y.p.d. homicide detective, among other things, current private investigator. i'm pleased to introduce you j. sol. peter, welcome. thank you very much and thank you for having me. so are we going to get this fixed a we believe the remedy seems like a long shot to me it's going to take forever. well, the beginning is basically that all, you know, all interrogations are video and audiotapes. and i think that would stop at least 75 percent of these fools confessions, i don't know how you're going to get away with it. i'm a bit of criminal justice system as a store looking at prosecutors from we be you would false confessions faster with making laws that make prosecutor culpable. i mean that's the frustration with the

civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune. it doesn't matter what they did, they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would, we cannot get any liability. and of course the police are allowed to use trickery. and i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. so we talked about how out of these 4 cases, korean delta and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene, you know, her case remains active and she's been in prison now for 20 years. her son grew up without a mom. she, you know, he has, she's grandkids now that she's never met other than on a phone through glass. if she said to heart attacks while she's been in prison and it's probably not getting the right medical treatment for that. you

know, we're just hoping that you know, time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later. but i mean, she is a, a life that's wasted. good morning. how are you? ok, how is your heart out and our tracks. a are very hard i know have you done to play some together? it's ok. i understand some difficulty and i know that it's taking a lot of time,

but we don't want to mess it up. rene, we only only going to get one shot at this so just hang in there. that again, i promise you there will be an end and i hope it's a good one, but there won't be an end and develop thousands and ms. of the disease newsmen there are merits and due to them being do gooders and

those who knew the system is missing, the biggest ones turns into will not do this thing. so you do believe you do that got close to us. he can anyway, blame himself for i think so controlling and can 1st thing they all do with it. my own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by confession are not doing as well. the stigma they attach to themselves. they feel weak nat'l, stupid, they don't understand what happened, how to tell them to themselves. and even when the convictions overturned, if the reason they were convicted was a confession, as opposed to something else, the stigma attached to the state, even after they were exonerated, right?

people are not quite 100 percent. sure. i get the confession is so powerful that even therefore it's supposed to evaporate. so corey, today is he's living well, right. he got a huge settlement, but it doesn't take away those demons in his head. you know, he's, he was in from 16 to almost 30. so what are you now when you come out? he's never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know, you and i can probably accomplish sometimes. but he has lost his whole family. there's no relationship with them really. and that's something that then why p.t. in the city in the prosecutor's took away from him. right? that money can't replace combatants in society. you don't.

you don't know how to do it in sheri. i don't know what endures. so it is sort of your brain will be the morning star over here. start to join the long journey. maybe if i'm going to stand in the house, you know, from wonder being free. it really is. a problem that, you know is systemic, right? it's a problem that victimizes a lot of people, right? you have the, the person who falls in compresses whose life is ruined. you have

their family, whose lives are ruined. you have the victim. we know they're still alive in the victim's family. who think they're getting justice, but they're not questioning. and then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition, when we walk up the wrong guy, we stop looking for the right guy. it's really a, it's a, it's a tremendous challenge. i think it's a cultural problem. we need a whole societal education about this. our criminal justice system is based on the premise that it's better for 10 guilty. people to go free than one innocent person to go to prison. right. i mean, that is a fundamental concept of the american justice system. but i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well. i just guess the courts don't get it. every story will false confessions, not just a story that gets at the question of why in god's name didn't innocent person

confess to a crime. he or she didn't commit. it's a 2nd story. and 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, the appeals all mr. mir is now able to research actual cases, laboratory studies, field studies, and 100 plus years of basics. like all, she tells you why the people about evidence when you lie to people about reality, you can change their perceptions and change their memories. or you can change just about every aspect of the called function of the british human progress more or for spread.

this is a story of women and women with troubled histories and complex court cases. you know, some of us date, really believe alkali was out there, but we're not the person that cares. if she's innocent, be they are considered the most dangerous of criminals. she's in a still probably off 23 hours of the day. tell me that it's not enough to listen to the world of women on death row, on our team. in

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