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and will biden's foreign policy pick up where obama left off with the neo cons. again, be back in control. to discuss this and more, i'm joined by my guest, george samueli in budapest, he's an author and a you tuber apa gabble. and in moscow, i'm joined by dmitri. he is a political analyst and editor, and you know smee internet media project. all right, gentlemen, crossed up rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate, ok, i was going to budapest, george trump, maybe if he's not inaugurated again in january, would be fighting the last battle of his term in office here in this with the pentagon. it's with the generals here. and i think it's being under played very much in the media. this is a very serious business right now. he's made it in phatic. lee clear that isn't
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ministration. will pull out troops from, from afghanistan, possibly also from syria. and it's, i find it quite odd that we keep hearing from the liberal media that trump may resort to a coup to stay in power. well, looks to me that the pentagon, the national security state, is committing a coup against trump in the last months of his residency by not obeying direct orders from the commander in chief, this is serious business. go ahead, george. it is straight. is serious because he is the commander in chief and he has a right to duty to implement his policy. and what we're getting is that they're venting is explicitly just ignoring the instructions from the commander in chief. so we get in afghanistan in which the united states has actually signed with the town of committing itself to
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withdrawing by early next year. and the pentagon decide whether or not that i'm not going to implement this policy. they're going to condition it on what the military regards as the situation on the ground. even though there's nothing in the agreement with the taliban in which the departure of the americans is condition on the situation on the ground. the only thing situation that the united states deem as a deal breaker is if the taliban is attacking u.s. forces, or if the taliban is cooperating with isis or ok, there is no evidence of taliban is doing any of that. but nonetheless, the military is ignoring the president and the same thing is happening in syria where we learned the other day from jim jeffrey, who was the trumpet ministration point man on syria. that basically has been lying to the president. he has been misleading the president just of the actual troop
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numbers in syria. and although we're going to get about $200.00 forces there, i don't doubt that if you know it's at least $900.00, maybe even more off. and what is so shocking about all of this is that he was very proud of having misled the president and the media were clapping and cheering. oh, this is wonderful. that there's the deep state who all the national security state is simply misleading. the elected commander in chief, so it is very troubling, as you know, given in just a little into what george just said there. i mean, and there's no consequences for obstructing your your superior the commander in chief here. i mean, if this i jeffrey's character, i mean, they applauded him because he out with the president of the united states under any other president. this would be serious charges here. not only would you be him use humiliated, you would probably be barred from working in the national security, say ever again, and i don't know. no,
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there maybe even legal issues in play here. but just the opposite here that sharing this year, i've said from the beginning of the trump presidency, this resistance opposition to the president when in the government is destroying institutions. and one of the most sacred institutions we have is as the civilian control of the military, go ahead. yes, and in fact one where i am in no orcs suspiciously like military control, all 46 because generals, for example, benefit or just for command and the nato forces in, in europe. he is now in that 20 council. he is now advising, you know, their us foreign policy. i'm sure he will gain more importance on the trump and bent one just has just recently sat that we should include georgia in nato know where everyone understands what kind of course it was. a step may have, he said that with ukraine we can postpone it somewhat. but again, you know,
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ukraine would be the reddest of the red lines, you know, for russia. so these people, again jurist and replaced for defense secretaries during his term. so it's not the lack of institutional policies, the fact that they are all against, you know, there is an idea. what would you against him? not just if you misbehave in generals, and what is especially troubling is the weight is presented. not only in that many can be brought media, but in the european media, the european media presents as, as trump is going to have a coup before he leaves office, you know, he fired that accident. defense secretary, he fired the chief of military intelligence. he's up to something terrible, you know, and they, the problem is that they get source us from the night in the united states. you know, i guess bigger magazine in germany has just obviously a big with james stavridis,
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the former commando or nato forces in europe. and james, the range assess, trump is unpredictable. he's in bit and frustrated. he can do anything he can at that point. you run know, he can send the u.s. warships to the waters near china and provoke a war there. you know, what is amazing about these ultra liberal generals is that whatever trumps das is bad, you know, he, in syria, they, they accused him of putting out the troops and leaving the oil to russians. or, you know, train because really how good is friends, you know, and, you know, worse, you know, encroaching on syrian territory would tend to just recently of the united states was glad been, you know, when turkey and on the powers openly intervened in syria.
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you know, it just bossing the border sometimes beyond their insurgence inside syria and that was fine. and suddenly when trump, you know, had an agreement without a gun, they said, oh, this is against syrian territorial integrity. so there is no one pick with these guys. you know, they are all be as nice. they hate, if someone is frustrated, unpredictable, this is them. and that, and the end, the way just played out in the european press is just shameless. you know, it's shameless saying that that trump wants to have a coup when you have generals openly disobey him. he'll albany a big you know, the, i do always, you're not the elected thought, you know, 200 these generals are, and these neo cons are smore concerned with syrian sovereignty in borders that american borders are, you know, deep in a sense, something they think it's really important here is that trump is deemed to be unpredictable. you know, what is predictable,
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is the reaction to trump in this neo cons in their approach to security policy around the world. they're very, very predictable and that's why they're so dangerous, and there is no control on them. and particularly, it will stop about in the 2nd part of the program under a biden ministries. and this is tell separate, tells us everything. we know that this is, it really has nothing to do with party affiliation. it's that you have these deep state characters. they determine what national security policy is. it's irrelevant to the president as. yes, exactly, because if you remember during the latter days of the obama administration, this isn't trump, this is obama administration when the junk kerry and sergey lavrov signed an agreement that the united states and russia would jointly conduct military operations against isis within hours of the signing of the agreement, the us military launched an attack against the syrian military by these isis to get
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the syrian military. and of course, because this letter is serious, guys will tease their grievance was not on board of the russians are so furious about this. so this was a clear act of sabotage. the military there was basically said, we don't agree with this policy of cooperating with the russians or so we will sabotage this. and so while that's what we have here, i mean the, the edge of the side that we will maintain a military presence in perpetuity everywhere where we are at the moment. and we are, you know, who v. and in future military missions. so anything that the president does when he says we need to withdraw, we will sabotage. we will equals all the stories in the, in the media tell, tell the media what they want to hear. trump is erratic, trump is insane. trump is not assisting trump and doesn't have any understanding about strategy. and therefore, you know, we just create the atmosphere in which any withdrawal becomes out of the question
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because it's either assuaging insane ego all the whole helping the kremlin. and we know the links that when the kremlin and from so these people are ready, very, very dangerous. and should have been cut down to size many, many years ago. you know, that ever since the law and going into the iraq war. but, you know, all of those people they failed up were apparently ok if you can, you can be wrong, but it doesn't hurt your c.v. and your future prospects. you know, demon it's, it's been widely rumored that trump may or he's considering a run for the presidency in 2024 what he does not last few months. this term is time in the, in the, in the white house could be determinant because this is a very important promise he made in 2016 just in these forests here is within his grasp to do it. all that there isn't a ray of forces against them to stop it,
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which we've already alluded to here. but this is very important to him just because, you know, he has been defeated by the deep state. i think we have to all admit that. ok, this is his chance to go out and blazing laurie to say i did this and that is a message to his base because it's going to be a rocky 4 years. well, our think if he is smart, he is going to repeat all the time. i was the 1st president in 30 years, who didn't start a single new war, but it will be very difficult for him to reach the people because all of the media saying exactly the opposite. you know, the media saying we're going to be back to the good old days. you know, we're going to be back to stability on the obama years, which debility a bomb was started. several wars, or at least he made the haunch more dangerous and bloddy than they could be,
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you know, in leaving he, he intervened, and this is evil who is still continuing in syria. he intervened on the side of the forces which lost and which almost ruined because entry into crane. he changed the regime and the situation is still very dangerous. so when people talk about stability and about experience diplomats or, or clinton years, those are just ludicrous you know, and of the obama years. and it's very important talking about the generals. i think ray mcgovern was right to pay attention to what john brennan had to say. john brennan told m.s.n. b.c. that wholesale dickless if it takes the intelligence in order to further trumps political interests is going to take place. again, protestant predictable, he's going to do something terrible. yes, he may fulfill the u.s. constitution and expose. well, i'm sorry,
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your murderous because john brennan was there also. all that gold you can program. and of the enemies the john brennan prided himself on that. the new york times when trump wanted transparency and less media are again, originally going to jump in here, we're going to a short break. and after a bunch of recall in awareness question, the future for united states world is driven by one person
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thinks we dare to ask a new gold rush is underway and gone up. thousands of ill equipped workers off flocking to the gold fields, hoping to strike it. rich. as children are torn between gold, my family was very poor. i thought i was doing my best to get back to school. which side will have the strongest appeal? because of financial survival, john the money laundering 1st. visit this cash in the 3 different oh good is a good start. well, we have our 3 banks all set up here. maybe something in europe, something in america, something overseas. it became an island to do all these banks are complicit in their kleptocracy just after didn't fall and say ok,
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i'm ready to do some serious money laundering. ok, let's see how we did. while we've got a look at that and i still dream. watch for max and for stacey, old, beautiful jewelry. and how about luxury automobile? again for max you know what money laundering is highly illegal. watch because of course. welcome back to cross town where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, remind you. we're talking about a possible by foreign policy. ok, let's go back to george in budapest, a georgian. what in the habit of reading
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a joe biden's? tweets, but he did have to say this when we're talking about a future up potentially future or in policy. when i am speaking to foreign leaders, i am telling them america is back. we're going to be back in the game. what do you take, what's your take away from that? because that gives me dark for voting. go ahead george. whether dr. bowden is the very, just if i have, i'm assuming that what he means is they're waiting to go back to the interventionism of the clintons and bush or obama. which means that wherever there is any kind of a conflict or any potential conflict, america will be there to stoke the fires and make sure that the conflict intensifies and the killing will stop. and then american pows, as the intervenor against the bad guys, all of peacemaker or whatever. i think that's been the model all the last couple of
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decades. and it's very lucrative. george, it's a very lucrative model, very lucrative, exactly. something to do that you leave the administration, you get a nice consultancy gig with a think tank over the military hardware, a producer, and you know, you have lotsa luck on lots of government jobs. so we can already see, you know, maybe now there's been as a success on the part of trump in avoiding getting involved in the ongoing civil war in libya. i think, you know, you can be absolutely certain that the bike ministration will get itself involved in the, in the civil war in libya, syria, already and in a blink in who's like, you have a very senior position within the ministration. as he's already said, that he intends to remain you the war against bashar al assad overthrow him. so that means we'll be back to sponsoring isis and al-qaeda and everything the america
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been doing during the obama years. ukraine, ukraine is he wants to do more in more ways than one. exactly. it is that he wants to justify the 2014 coup, organized by obama and biden. and then of course, biden's lucrative career subsequently there. and i was a thing in the leg or in a car about situation is still unstable, and biden, the ministration will get itself sucked into that one as well. and i'm sure there are others that people can mention where the biden will become active when it's a lot of running the world. ok, and human tell me what your thoughts are and things that you've heard of a potential by foreign policy as it relates to russia. might the way i have looked at it for, for 2 decades now, is that the kremlin has prepared for anyone that goes into the white house because
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it's basically being prepared for the worst. and that it's been a realistic approach. what are your thoughts that? well, maybe just a small correction toward jordan just said, i'm not sure i would say that the united states also directly isis or al qaeda. but certainly the united states help the forces which had the same ideology. bottled up money could trickle to the most radical groups. i mean, look at syria. when did isis appear in 2013? right after it became apparent that the a bomb would not get here. but i think in positions, if it's part of the historical record, the united states officials in the united states knew, with this weaponry, was going into this money was going, it's very end of the hour. it ended up in defense, all of them or straight to go for us. you're absolutely right, but i think it's very important to mention here that when during the terrorist
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acts in europe, we hear about the people who perpetrated these acts and they were active in syria, the u.s. media, the western media in general, always reports of talk as if she's 3 started in 2013 when the so-called islamic state official just out of to function in syria. and of course these people who are active in there are also there, you know, before the, i mean, official launch an all of the isis. there are groups with the same ideology or pursuing the same agenda. they just didn't call themselves isis. it was, they hoped americans would do their job for them won't be no resistance. so i agree, absolutely. with what george just said, that what you said, these policy is going to be more aggressive because it was just an american nationalist, unpleasant, cruel, you know, radia for cruelty. but he was, he wasn't ideological, you know, or his ideology was very simple. you know,
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i know israel, i support israel, i don't know we're on. i think we should, while we're on, you know, i think what the deep state was so much opposed to tromp that they didn't go along with his idea or take in iraq. and now it's just very fine to see how james to regis is sane or trump is dangerous. you mad? they could rendezvous? have i want you to pull constantly since in 2000 they had been a bomb, a pool, and of the same idea. there were no doubts about it. you know, people like james 3 just said, oh yes, yes, we should do something about iran and there was no problem. but you remember how people were actually to emigrate in from iran, joined there by john and other places because they were afraid of american strikes . huge american strikes, kind of what i think, what is very dangerous is that they ask away ssion in ukraine. and here i would like to point your attention to the article in the, you know, american conservative ukraine spiral, play in minsk by mark piece capus. you know,
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the author writes quite right in that biden instance, lee is polish. the polish overall big against russia, including for the media cream by the author, writes, i think wrongly, that until now, this aide was defensive, how he may bite and may push ukraine to feel what ukrainians themself in korea. authorities themselves call gratian scenario just like croatian financial scenario you find georgians. what's really interesting is that, well, there is a going from the united states to ukraine, i mean, and trump got impeached over it. apparently, what's really interesting to me is that the president of ukraine, because of the situation on the ground, was having to have to think about some kind of reconciliation with russia. and he can go through different sectors, but it like energy, for example. after all of this,
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crane's biggest trading partner remains russia here. now, there are certainly those in it where they came to power after the coup and in 2014, they want a much more striking policy. and by means people want to push. the reason i'm pointing this out is that lift alone in the reconciliation and simmering down accompli can happen when you have an outside power like the united states. we can look at libya, we can look at syria, we can look at afghanistan and iraq and know ukraine. this is what i mean. what i meant in my introduction, you know, picking up where obama left. yes, that's exactly right. because russia's made clear that he has no interest in and next thing, any ukrainian territories of those who are living in the nets and the guns, then no real hope of being incorporated within russia. so the only thing that the russians insist on is the special status for these,
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these 2 provinces that kiev hasn't really made any moves towards achieving that. and this is as keeps the conflict going now with biden team. there they view things as a 0 sum game. if they just, if they heat up the conflict in ukraine urge some kind of a new offensive against the donetsk and lugansk for them. it's a win win. you know, it's, i either don't know, it's going to guns are defeated, which is unlikely, are, or russia is drawn into the conflict, which means russia and ukraine are at loggerheads. and it's a, it's a real headache for the russians because it's a, it's a, it's a serious military conflict between 2 brothers nations and their former. you know, them, they are on the border. exactly. so they don't really care about ukrainians. they just see it as a 0 sum game that is bad for russia,
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and that's the mentality of these people. that's why they are very dangerous because their only thumbs on is, let's make life as difficult as possible. for russia. let, let's have them suck them into all kinds of conflict which then makes them gives them headaches, may cause instability within russia. and that's a very dangerous game to play, because we really don't know, you know, the, how out is, you know, how easily such situations going to get out of control. you know, you know, it seems to me in the left, in the united states have not learned the lesson. they just never had an autopsy of why hillary clinton lost one of the reasons why she lost is the unpopularity of foreign wars, endless wars. and i would throw in interventions on this meddling as dorward george just described, who is when it comes to ukraine. they haven't learned a lesson. and you know what, these neo cons and deep sea players, they're quite happy with that. ok. because they can continue down the path of their
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ideological obsessions and russia is one of them. and of course china is getting higher and higher on the menu. go ahead. well, you are right. you know, even that 82 of, or joe biden 2 or more than 70000000 people who voted for trump. he didn't have anything to tell them, except i also lost a few times in my life. you know, he didn't say or we're going to correct the politician. probably we did something wrong before 2016. why are there still may know of you who he was here and not of your he was an o.e. back to warfare. ok. i'm going to go to, you know, was that part of the campaign? george was it ever mentioned during the general campaign about supporting endless wars? i don't, i don't remember it coming up is just the opposite. during the democratic convention, they brought out all of these neo cons, cheering a failed foreign policy. ok? because i say failed because the american people voted against it in 3 election
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cycles, they voted against war. ok. and what i'm saying is there's just this huge disconnect here, george, i give you the last 30 seconds. yes, that's right, that's what you get with the biden scene. there's this band interventionism, and this is a rebuttal to hold by a political career has been about. i will remember from the 99 years when he was an absolutely implacable bombing yugoslavia, he was an odd a supporter of the you didn't just both baber of the iraq war, who was he as well there. and then yeah, there mary, say, wow, i think we sure politician and iraq as if it's within the current reps were almost out of town years ago. and i'm here of former secretary of defense. robert gates said about joe biden. every,
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every policy stance he took our on foreign policy was wrong, will probably find that us as all the time we have want to make bring us a good investment in musk on when to take our viewers for watching as your r.p.c. next time, remember, is your media, a reflection of reality in a world transformed what will make you feel safe from the isolation community. are you going the right way or are you being led? so direct. what is true? what is faith? in the world corrupted,
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you need to descend to join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. during the vietnam war, us forces also bombs in neighboring laos. it was a secret war. and for years the american people did not know. until now, so much that is officially the mouse can rebound country per capita human history. millions of unexploded bombs still in danger. lives in this small agricultural country. and i really don't think it's going to continue to happen again. even today, kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago is the us making amends for the tragedy in laos. won't help to the people need in that little landmines.
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because of the, you know, wanted to avoid internal political upheavals of holding early parliamentary elections is inevitable. staring down the barrel of mass protests, the president of armenia calls for the government's resignation. it follows a week of public anger over the peace deal between armenia and azerbaijan. which halted the conflict in a corner car. meanwhile, displaced under the new deal. armenians tore torched their homes and tear down their homes as they are forced out of areas now controlled by azerbaijan. they say they don't want to leave them as for food, they see as the enemy. and we had a good life. now we are tearing down the houses. we build stuff, so i know one thing for sure. i wouldn't even want my any meat to find himself.

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