porter of the u.s. invasion of iraq and actually drafted legislation that helped to make that war happen. joe biden furthermore indicated that he is likely to appoint susan rice as his secretary of state. now susan rice is a big supporter of u.s. military interventionism, and she served in the obama administration. in addition to that, we've got michelle floor in a was being pointed to as potentially the secretary of defense for the biden administration. she was a big advocate of u.s. military intervention in syria and u.s. military intervention in libya. does this mean that if joe biden takes office in january, he will reverse donald trump's recent move to pull out u.s. troops between now and january. that is unclear, however, on many speculate that the biden ministration will have much more of an interventionist bent than trump. trump is doing this for political reasons and trying to fulfill a campaign promise. he's not all of them all. you also got to keep in mind, he may substitute u.s. troops for private military contractors. the whole notion is for him to have all

the troops by next may. but then by then you may be into a biden administration, and the troop levels could go back up again. really depends upon commitments by the taliban and what have you and you've got to consider that a biden ministration given the blood in the service may be jumping on board. his administration may pursue efforts to keep troops there, and even establishment republicans are calling for troops to remain in afghanistan and probably even in iraq. you watching us international that brings you up to date for this hour, but back again in 30 minutes. hello

and welcome to cross top, where all things are considered on people about the results of the u.s. election cycle. have surprised many. there was no blue wave and the g.o.p. witnessed gains all across the board. both parties have deep internal divisions and the court is in both parties. populists challenges is this the perfect recipe for a political realignment

to discuss this and more, i'm joined by my guest, kevin chatters in washington, and he is an attorney and democratic strategist, and minneapolis. we have and tom lazaro, he is founder of big 10 republicans. and in austin we cross to west benedict is a former executive director of the libertarian party. originally, rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want, and i was appreciate it. he was going to kevin kevin, in light of the election results, which you say that the, the, me, the postulate politics is, destiny is in the dustbin of history. go ahead. we'll see what happens over. so i don't have an official where of course, if you believe the president, but i don't like to remind us even though we know who you are, where we are. a lot of work to do out of this use of our

service is out of 5. they are, were present shoppers got the folks out. but unfortunately for him and his supporters, he created almost a stronger movement of people who strongly hate the resistance so to speak. and they came out. there's probably a lot of work to do. so make sure you put it for free, but we're not there yet. and ton, i think that it would be very welcomed by tens of millions of people if the political left and particularly the democratic party can stop voter shamy conservatives. and republicans, i think it meets that point. i think you know, you can look at the results of the election, but you know, calling them deplorable zone races. zina fields,

i think that that is in the dustbin of history too. what do you think and absolutely not, it's incredible is all part of it is for the pollsters in the mainstream. i'm not going to comment that this election was far closer than they ever predicted. i mean, don't try to see more votes than any incumbent president ever. and you know, this was an extremely tight apparent joe biden victory for 4. about the same mark, i don't trump one by the 3 states. he won wisconsin and pennsylvania in 2016. so the idea that you know how 5 americans are, you know, he's racist horrible people is just fundamentally absurd. and that's just the message from the left. costly that anyone who supports it all, trump is a terrible, deplorable individual. him in less it when i look at the results here it, it seems to me that there is a realignment going on pretty well,, particularly in the g.o.p., where you have kind of a mixture of social conservatism and economic populism. i think that's

a fair assessment. go ahead with us. well, so some of that's happening, but what i see is you've got the standard republicans and democrats hating each other, making it sound like one side is going to totally destroy america. where as the other is going to save america. but mostly that is all style. when you look at the substance of the issues, when you look at trade policy, tax and spend policy wars in the middle east, the deficit spending and firing mentalism, social security, medicare, on most issues. the republicans and democrats have actually been quite moderate. i wish republicans or democrats would be more extreme on some of those issues. and of course i'm against many of the extreme things if they propose. but no, i don't think republicans have gone through a realignment. they've always been,

you know, i'm a libertarian. i want free markets. i want low taxes. i want to cut social security and medicare. republicans never do that stuff in, and democrats, as well. you know, i want to in the wars civil liberties in the war on drugs and democrats never seem to get that done either. ok, well you know, when i think it's really kind of interesting have been is that when you look at like medicare for all in issues like that the, there's many, if you look at the polls among republicans, a lot of people are for, i mean, i find it really, really quite remarkable that even if you look at it instead of just, you know, blue or red, you know, if you just look at people, there's actually a lot of consensus about what people want. but you know, in your party, you know, when you have, you hire all the candidates in the primaries for medicare for all. and then you give it the nomination to the guy and doesn't want it. ok. and then also, you know,

and so on. we had trump, he talked about this in 2016, but once he got into power, well, we can't do that. ok. i mean, i find it just really remarkable. it's india, it's the party structures that are the problem. it's not the people, the people are not. the chloral, they're not deplorable on either side because both sides really want a lot of the same things. go ahead. yeah. you're also shady. oh so you know, over have people when asked out to support it. we saw you before. all care are yes . people for obamacare overwhelmingly say you support the affordable care act. they say they do messaging, and i agree, like i heard recently, we're talking about the georgia senate race coming your way. the slogan here, you know, like the police and green you don't medicare for all. sometimes it's no laughing erms turn left again. i didn't come from the left. sometimes turn the wall

or something. and you know, you have, you know, reasonably, i mean happens on both sides of the slogans and of course people away. they are awesome for me. most people agree that yes or should be secure, should just write back and forth peacefully. we talk about, you know, building a wall has to be a war on earth when you know that turn, so do it. and it just shows how, how by really are by president, by and large, you know, in time when i find really very, very disappointing. i consider myself a conservative don't i?, i don't always think very much of the g.o.p., but i think it was a real mistake. the left just to make it about donald trump because all 3 of you

talk about policy, but they didn't seem to be in the campaign all that much beyond sloganeering. ok, and, and i think there's going to be a huge hangover, particularly on the left. you know that like what do we do now? remember the candidates still in the 1970s, what do we do now? because, you know, it was all focused on one man and that one man did amazingly well. he probably didn't win. he probably won't be inaugurated. or you can't ignore that mass movement. now i'm for a realignment, it's in the cards because trump ran as a populist and he governed as jeb bush. that's my disappointment. go ahead and yeah, you know, i think that just to go back to the previous question, i think that the republican party absolutely does need to, you don't do one thing going from going so well on as he was not this, you know, warhop, republican president, people were so sick and while i think medicare for all isn't popular, people do recognize in america that we need to have coverage for things like

preexisting conditions. and you know, to talk about that a lot. so i, for one, i just want to go on the record and say, i do think the republican party, we do need to change when it comes to things like those issues that are more populist then kind of the traditional conservative view that just isn't that popular when you look at the margins of the president last with millennial as well as women suburban women by but you know, going forward, i think look at all comes down to georgia and what happens in the senate races there. if we republicans can hold on to the u.s. senate, it's going to be a lot different conversation that we're having in january than if democrats do get the senate as well as joe biden. you know, is confirmed as president. you know, wes, is a libertarian. i, i have to probably think that you're, you're probably just as sick and tired of this woke politics, rhetoric that just sucks all the air out of the room. when it comes to issues that affect all people, when you're sick, it doesn't remotely, doesn't matter if you're

a republican or democrat or a libertarian. go ahead with us. well, if you're talking about health care in particular and this applies to other issues when, when ronald reagan was running for president, he used to say government is the problem, not the solution. and he would spend quite a bit of time explaining how free markets and freedom orc donald trump is not really a reflexive, only a libertarian leaning or for small government or for free markets. and so for the last 4 years, he hasn't spent any time educating and training the people and especially republicans themselves on, you know, what does it mean? how does freedom work with, with free markets, with less regulation, with lower taxes. how would it be easier for people to pay for their own health care and less? you know, if i could interrupt you use me here. the day that donald trump was most unpopular

as president is the day he signed his tax bill because most people didn't see that it affected them whatsoever. and it's because he's surrounded by libertarian people thinking people in his administration. and i think that was when one of his greatest mistakes, that's my opinion. how do you react to the well, if you lower taxes, but you don't lower spending, then it doesn't accomplish much. should just shift the burden away from the people who get the tax cut and as to everyone else who suffers from inflation. donald trump, you raise spending from 4000000000 to 7, looks in one direction. it keeps going up where it's amazing, republican or democrat, it's kill, continues to do that. and i think that's, you know, i think when we see what we have here, kevin is a middle class revolt. i mean you have the choice, you can go blue or you can go red, but both all are angry about this. ok, i personally, i think government should do things for people. ok. i don't think it should waste

money, but it should be for the public good. all right. and so, i mean, this is the choice we have right now to fund the police and, you know, let's just rhetoric, it doesn't mean anything when i probably hurts people. the poorest people of our society, i mean, it really gets onto an attitude about what kind of how government should be used because it's going to be used because there's, there is no doubt that that is they can 80209010 issue, go ahead. why? people overwhelmingly disagree. even in inner city neighborhoods. oh black voters and working with you for me hear from police, they don't, they don't support or they do support of moving some resources to go just for traditional policing. and maybe you know, social workers michel, i'll arrange a version program, things like that, which i think a lot of people do. so when it's explained to them as you or our president trying to explain it to don't exactly

say so it happened though both sides and i, i do believe that it's interesting because you talk about go up, didn't really hurt down ballot. very susan collins be on member of we were really actually on the whole downtown here, we're going to go to a hard break in after the car break in continue our discussion on the results of the 2020 elections. they are over forward to talking to you on that technology should work for people i robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such orders to conflict with the 1st law. show your identification or

should be very careful about artificial intelligence. and the point of view, c. is too great trust very challenging with artificial intelligence, will somebody to the obama's protect its own existence as well about to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're talking about the results of the 2020 election. i mean, let's go back to and on your, i mean, i kind of have a diagram or

a before the program here of what the democratic party is right now. it's corporate america, the super rich and the professional women managerial class. now, if this isn't an opening to create a big tent for the republican party, i don't know what is, are you going to take that opening? the lane is wide, wide open? are you going to grasp it is i think it could work. yeah, i know. absolutely. i mean, if you go back to the eighty's and ninety's, when you know conservative talk radio was really thriving and you know, rush limbaugh was, you know, believe his audience and the extreme fringes of the country. but they were viewed by the middle worse always the right. it was always, you know, the right wing that was viewed in a lot of people became moderate democrats because they were so turned off by that, you know, so-called radical right. now when you look at a o.c., an ill han and a far left, there is this enormous opportunity for this populist movement for donald trump and republicans to say, you know, look, worried the mainstream or the moderate. we're the center right party. and we can

build on that, and i sure hope that you know, we have enough people our party that can realize that. but, you know, unfortunately i'm going to be all this because i'm a, i call balls and strikes. and i think there are a lot of people, the republican party who don't recognize how so it's very obvious to me that you're right. someone like susan collins manages to win in blue states and then you have other, you know, people like a roy moore who are, you know, terrible candidates. they can't even win a red state. and that's what, you know, the fringes on both sides never realized that these far left far right candidates are never going to actually, you know, be popular beyond their little base of people. you know, when he, one of the issues that it's always talked about is hardly ever dealt with. i mean that the amount of money spent on this election cycle is just absolutely phenomenal . it is just it blows your interest in south carolina, south carolina alone and lindsey graham's opponent. he was,

it's the most expensive senate seat ever campaigned for here. i mean, we're, if we took the money out of the equation here, how would it change our politics? because it's, you know, we have a republican and we have a democrat on the program and we have you and everyone knows my beliefs here. but if you took the donor class out of this, we would have a very different politics wittingly. i'm not so sure that's the case i. there's been many examples over the years of candidates spending millions or hundreds of millions of dollars in primaries and even in general elections. and that money only seems to affect the outcome by a couple of percent. i of course, i wish the government was less important, so people were less interested in spending so much money to win an election were regardless of which side they're on. but i don't think, you know, you,

you can spend money and get a certain policy pass. it allows you now to do a lot of construction projects and you personally profit from that. but a lot of what goes on, i don't think has a lot of impact on the election results. so look, so the money, the total money doesn't really scare me. it up when you look upstream. i mean, this is all an investment. ok. i mean, there are so many things like ending foreign wars. i mean that is a genuinely popular thing. thing we've had 300 lection cycle. we have 3 election cycles in a row, you know, saying and the wars. but if joe biden is elected president is inaugurated as president jenny way, i don't think that's going to change or why? because of the donor class. i mean, i agree with you. i should have phrased my question, better about camp, you know, getting elected, you know, but essentially, you know, they have a end to both parties. that is it such a cool, a corrosive thing because you can have an 80209010 issue. but once it gets to the

very top, it's the donor class that makes that decision to make though that to campaign year . because that's an issue that both parties and the libertarian party probably thinks about. go ahead. evan. absolutely, and ross are on it were maybe years rates over 100000000, you know, it pretty handily. and you know, either early to consultants, one consultants, consultants going to be millionaires were minted in that region. oh yeah, exactly. you know, you know, the c.e.o. where somebody trying to restart their mind can try to raise a lot of money to mainly from outsiders and not get close to me. which folks oversee it in a lot of states. mentioned order a couple times. it's only going to get worse, you know, next couple months. sure. sure. outsiders coming in, but i think the takeaway is that it doesn't tell me now from lindsey graham. i want

a certain kind of, they know their states better than these outsiders or even money is i think it turns off you know, what you're referring to, were you know, the sarge talking about. they know it was better to find some who were and you just can't buy these races. we learn from that, you know, it's all going to be here on the outside money that's for sure. and on the sometimes republicans win. sometimes, democrats win sometimes and independent wins, but the consultants always agree and i find it really, really awful. ok and, and, and it's the same thing. the only skin these people have in the game is their pocketbook. and i think that's really, that really corrodes politics. and so on, you're the republican on the party and i'm not going to let you off the hook here.

i'm looking at the results here and i'm looking across the board except for an end of an educated white man. and i thinking, putting educated women the republican party didn't phenomenally well of best since 1960 before the civil rights act. ok, what is the republican party going to learn from that? because i'm sorry, republicans can be very thoughtful, but they don't take on board something that is given to him on a silver platter. here, this is a refund, nominal result. how many seats you pick up in the house of representatives? probably keep the senate. this is, this is a, maybe not a way, but it's certainly a strong ripple in and in lieu of what was supposed to be a blue wave. go ahead and, well, yeah, absolutely. i mean, one thing that is kind of scary about, you know, the big tent, the populist message and everything you have to kind of really, i call the rubik's cube where you have to really walk a fine line, make sure you're not giving up one, you know, order for another while president trying to do great with, you know,

the more rural parts of america and how those white blue collar voters. he also did extremely well with minority voters and far better than you know, romney and bush or mccain did. and i think that's something that we absolutely have to build on, especially when you look at how more college educated suburban voters are voting, democrat just by not by you know, the way they used to and 28 team was a terry. i don't know that all i think is that it isn't. is that the cultural wars and one is that because of cultural wars is, or is it, i mean, young people, you know what, you know, what i remember when i was the student, the university of california for a quarter to who didn't leave because i had a quarter system there, i had to pay $120.00 of quarter. i think that was like 3 compared to today. is that because of the lot the, the worry about economic advancement. you know, if your best earning years or is it a cultural thing trumps a racist. what accounts for that? i do think it's a lot of things, but i do think that there is, you know, when you talk about people who are really into go,

whether it's climate change or just being very, a little bit more modern. and people who view themselves as highly edge of hated generally just did not support president kerry. not of it though. it's not her. yeah. and a lot like her saying, no, it's not about the man's policies. it was about the style and the sad thing about politics really is if you look at some of the best political ads of all time, they have nothing to do with policy. they're all just about, you know, who you think is a nicer guy. i mean, there are a lot of polls that show mitt romney would have done a better job on the economy than brought obama. but then there was the question of, you know, who would you rather hang out with and broke obama won it by a 20 percentage point. so it really kind of makes it pretty head down sometimes. and people forget that, you know, this isn't your friend, you're voting for, this is someone you want to do a job for you. ok west. as a libertarian on the panel, what message would you give? the next president of the united states inoculated in january?

what would be the single most important takeaway? are some principals we're tired of the same ole thing? i don't expect you to implement libertarian policies with think about bringing the troops home from overseas. there are people on the left and the right who both would like to see the troops come home and in the wars and quit listening to the military contractors and everyone who profits from that and quit listening to the doomsayers and everyone who wants to try and scariest that there's a, there's a terrorist under every pillow or behind every door bring the troops home in the war. if you did that, that would make a lot. republicans, libertarians and democrats happy and has saved us a lot of money as well. right. i couldn't, couldn't agree with more, haven't i? and i feel bad for the democrats. how are you guys going to exist without term? i mean, i think, can you imagine life beyond term?

i mean, you know, west has brought up the really interesting point. it's a very popular issue, bring the troops home these senseless, wasteful wars. but because drunk donald trump arms to pull out troops, you know, they, the pentagon and the democrats, and particularly the media and their hair are suddenly instantly on fire. i mean, it is illogical. it is illogical. why can't you embrace a popular issue like that? and the wars have been so much attention with probes by whether white supremacist it livable policy praise blowing up or an east please address led to for years. i d. n. . so here, but in this war of senate, it's a bad idea yet that's not good politics. where every boat people would agree we should move wars impress were brought washrooms home. but we all just completely abandon some of the

seriously, i am a stay in iraq. politics interests, we have no interest and we've been there for 19 years and no one has to hear now what our interests are, they're ok. i mean ok, i don't mean to be flippant here. ok, or whatever. but i'm just saying is that this should be, this is something this has a large consensus, 3 election cycles in a row, and i really wish the political elite, republican and democrat ok. lindsey graham in there as well. another warmongers. ok, we're going to end on this point here. you know, for republicans, democrats, libertarians, i just had one suggestion. listen to the people and stop bickering so much. i want to thank my guests in washington, minneapolis, and austin. i want to thank our viewers for watching us here, aren't you see you next? remember, across the solos

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