and then one of the world's most famous anthropologist davis explains the changes in american society which dictate the political future of the world's most powerful country. but 1st, just e-mails. last week show on photographer extraordinary heidi benson excited great interest shot and said had the privilege of meeting him many years ago when i was cute, eating a football exhibition, he was a good friend of another well known press photographer, who kindly gave permission to use some of his fantastic images and brought him along to meet me. i had no idea then just how significant he was in the media world . so dying to earth, both of them a treasured memory. and len says, whatever brilliant photographer and a fascinating man kay says what an interesting guy out of the house says, how does seems like an absolutely sound tuj well done to him, amazing career. and finally, for dos had there says i heard of him before and saw his 2 foot across and i seen him speaking and shading his memories,

that the past great man indeed still. now over to alex with professor of howard university, i met martin, president of the phyllis schlafly equal society and author of the conservative case . for trump to come to you for professor you must be pretty pleased in the jaws bar. you didn't travel a hardass looking for to presidential in the, in the podium live, think their home. they think they're really going to go and insert ministration. come january, are you celebrating a little howard university? i have to admit, i am. i don't know how to express to you what it feels like to have a right president of united states from howard university, the 1st black woman, the 1st woman of asian descent and then the 1st is to include black college graduates being the by president lee, the tremendous all of the community of black college graduate worldwide. now ed, i mean obviously not the result that you were looking for in the election. but as

the president is looking, not very presidential, that's for a lot and to concede, defeat makes him look like a bit of a bad loser. does it not? well alex, you know, we have this great system here in america that we have had for a couple 100 years. it works really well. and when it comes to our elections, we have a process that plays out. there's no that the word concession doesn't appear in the constitution or the rule of law. it's more, as you say, a tradition. there's major issues here and it's coming to a head in the next 3 or 4 weeks, because every mention we're celebrating, i'm celebrating at every level in america, the republican vision of positive america 1st one. so we'll get to the bottom of it if the rule of law and everything works out, then you'll be ushering in president biden. but i think we have a long way to go and what we're seeing more and more is alex on a scale. we've never seen or at least seen interference in the election that we're going to get to the bottom of it. so it's going to be very important for america.

and now we're looking forward to the buyout of gold and president bush as he became a contesting, the the hiding chads and florida. and me even managed to go through that with folks looking presidential and they were even in office of the type. do you think donald trump is looking, the stately unpresidential in the way that he's probably challenging the result in state after state? what seems well to flow. they haven't, i mean, maybe alex, but out where it's 20 years later in terms of the coverage, al gore was vice president should be said. and so he was hanging on and hang on, hang on for $37.00 days. and al gore only conceded when the supreme court of florida told him and the u.s. supreme court made a decision while the florida legislature was in session to choose electors because al gore wouldn't concede. let me say this, i think you pointed to something alex, which i appreciate about r.t. and you, we in america have never seen the media do what they're doing right now. there is

a full on effort to brainwash the american people to concede you're a bad person. if you don't concede, even though 73000000 americans voted for john trump. and they're wondering, why did philadelphia have, you know, joe biden had greater turnout in philadelphia than obama or clinton? that doesn't sound right. might be right, but let's get to the bottom of it. so how he looks is a function of the media in america. and the world not what the truth is and america doesn't. we don't play by the looks we play by the constitution and the rule of law . it's worked well for a couple 100 years. i think it'll work well for a few more months. and then a couple, 100 years after that 1st gun isn't and right, some in president some just during the 20 years ago, fighting the case to the end, he's entitled to, to fight the case to the end before he finally makes a concession of a new, a professor of a political studies, you know, these things is made just doing what's been done before. there's so many ways that

that's not right that it's hard for me to remember them to take them down for you, but let me try little bit. so the 1st thing that's happening is that the situation in florida is to do with the fact that this election is close and they have automatic recount in the same way they joined the has currently and then there are questions about some problems in the way that they were organized and so this is absolutely not the same thing because there is no question about the way the election was organized. there's no question about how the ballots were structured. there's been many changes since the year 2000. turnout is up across the united states in red states and blue states, a conservative rural areas, and democratic city that's up everywhere. joe biden got the most votes, so i'm happy to see this play out. i'm happy to see folks count and recount because at the end of the day, joe biden got the most votes, not just among individual americans, but he will have the most in the electoral college, no matter what happens in these places where people are arguing about the margins

potentially being off by one or 200 both we're talking about a 1000000 or 4000000 vote difference between those and we're talking about does to vote in the electoral college. so again, i say, if you want to count a recount, you know, added, i'm sure that joe biden will be the winner. so let's try and rise above the legal arm, wrestling a look at some of the fundamentals here. it doesn't professor got to have a point if it was up for both the publicans under democrats, but the joe biden, the moves very clearly in the popular vote is not really a good thing for american politics. shows a much higher level of participation in an election, and people started by from less than a few months time. what to say? well, actually we're on to something here. we have a messy but some of the election there was people wanted to, to get to the polls or to vote. the state was not a good thing for both sides. if the american people don't trust what they're seeing, i think you can give them some credit for saying, hey,

make sure you count every legal vote, you know, elections and campaigns. alex in america, you have a certain trend that they go on and you may wish that you're a great candidate in the democrat party, but you are losing on election day down ballot. nancy pelosi lost an amazing number of seats. she promised she would win, and the polls said she would win. the senate was supposed to flip the polls said so schumer promised they lost the only place. there was a problem. was the place where we see very irregular voting patterns from for joe biden. let's get to the bottom of it, but pardon me, if you say, if americans are a little skeptical of being told by the media or being told by academia to trust us, we know better. we'll stick to the document, the constitution and the rule of law. and when we get to the bottom of that, we'll accept the results. so professor ground, how do you get fall and rise above these arguments in the us they play for you, have been, how do the philly and trenched views that we see in the medicare?

how did they start the ball for you in the lead of to kill it communicators from your perspective in politics. but how do you reach out and get a sort of dialogue that can get through the political system and try to break through some of these. and trans betterness that we see the snow, you know, the sort of honest answers that i don't know we, on this show are having a conversation is worlds away from each other. we have different notions of truth. and i think that the notions of truth that i have are based on what i have learned from years of study of the entire history of the united states of america is based on our document. for example, voting is a thing that is managed at the state level, not managed in the constitution is something that is managed through the state legislature. and so if we continue to live in a world where we have these very different notions of the world, we will continue to have a polarized nation. and i don't know what we can do in a polarized nation, where people are unwilling to deal with books and science and reason. and so i

think that again is not a good way to be. and it's not a go way for our democracy to exist in as long as again, as we had these media outlets. and these talking heads creating scenarios where people are arguing at each other instead of trying to find common ground that always happens. and i'm afraid you cough up the conservative case for trump. it's not my political inclination. let's put it that way. there were some very coherent arguments for that, but i wonder if the arguments are somehow disconnected from the past. and i was of donald trump. i mean, some same chalabi, but she can see the quality offer your dream for the country. something come out of this will. the conservative case can be separated from the come and come the president and present it perhaps in a way which will assess dial. yeah, look,

i don't, i don't think that trump ism is a thing. i think it's, i call it america 1st america pro america movement. i greet you, but we embraced a different kind of of movement when we took on china, it wasn't just because the corporate interests alex on wall street wanted it. they didn't, in fact they want biden to win because they think biden will go back to trading with china. but we had a president that put people that were different from the a republican traditional party in there. when joe biden says, let's unite, we're going to unite, you know that in the last 2 weeks of the campaign, alex joe biden ran an ad that called donald trump and his supporters. nazis, do you know how hard it is alex to? i've been called dumb. i've been called, you know, not smart. i've been called incorrect when you call us nazis and then you try to unite us. i'm not against joe biden as a man. i am against the leadership that refuses to make room for all of us. he's dividing us, he's not uniting us, and the american people feel it a lot less the professor ground. i mean, as you probably know, i football and past the run ins with preston trump in the course and elsewhere. but

as the something which indicates that despite what people might think of as style isn't qualified, lay, think of a style you settle has appeal to a new constituency full of the republican party. no, the democrats thinking longer. isn't that something they're going to have to understand them and respond to in future political contests? yeah, absolutely. right. i think that, for example, this uptick in the number of hispanic voters who supported donald trump, the uptick in the number of black voters who supported donald trump is going to be important for the democratic party to figure out the support for the democratic party is still well, over 85 percent in the black community is still a still a super majority. but i think that the democratic party organizes itself as one they have where the net and so firmly. we want to understand what happened. this conversation that we're having about feeling like people who are professors or otherwise educated is something that we have to talk about to. the person on the

other side of this conversation has more books in the background than i do. and it is an author in the same way that i am. and so i suspect that he has lots of education. i don't think in any way that he's that he's ignorant or incorrect or any of these other things. i think that we have different ways of discussing the issues. there are many smart people in conservative circles. clearly they're smart because they have strategies. they wind down ballot races. i think that we have many things to figure out on the democratic side. i think many of those things include the identity politics, like what's happening with hispanic voters and black voters. but i think that there is a fundamental disconnect about the role of information in our society and about these ideas that liberal elite run the world and look down and know that other people i'm a 1st generation college graduate. my mother did not go to college in no way would i ever turn up my nose at a person who didn't go to school because i know what that's like. that's where i'm raised in the successes. i have come off the backs of people who sacrificed for me . and so again, i think that we need to get to

a place in american politics where we can see each other as human and not a demon. and if we get to that place, we'll do better for our society and of the united states and for the entire global community. mohsen, you know, both very welcome. so i think you might have a spread to 50 points of male excitement. thank you so much for joining me. thank you. thank you. join us after the break, when alex will be getting the latest lowdown on the u.s. election from leading world expert. i'm topologists, we do this credo transferred to simpson, exacerbating an alarming everyone mindlessly, you know, fortunately what that means is we end up making solutions that cost a lot,

but actually do very little. it's just a kind of fuel get used instead of the chill solutions that were tricks global warming. welcome back. such as the force of donald trump's personality, the politics in america for volved are going to his twitter feed. but the electoral map shows deep underlying changes behind the political divisions. alex is joined by meeting on topologist. we did this to explain what is going on. webelos, welcome back to the alex salmond show. thanks for having me. alex again. i went out and the 1st half of the program of just had a debate between professor grant of how to divest an ed moftah off the the eagles of respect to them and the rough particulate commentators on the left the right was pretty fiery stuff that some of the, the divisions post-election and american society. yeah, i think alex,

you hit the nail on the head there. the thing that haunted me about the results was not who won or who didn't win, but how close the margins were. and the haunting thing for those of us who are outside of the united states and then clued some majority of the world lookin in a scam at a man who has a record that we don't even need to. once again, articulate donald trump in terms of his violation of every norm i want to start. but, but the bottom line is that a guy like trump wouldn't have won 5 percent of the vote in a place like canada. and yet in the united states, you know, he came within 80000 votes spread across those states from earning a 2nd term in office. and even now he is making threats to run in 2024. so you know, you have this very haunting chasm between realities and his accent. rated by this propensity of the democratization of opinion, you know, battered morning and one of the great american senators said you're entitled to

your own opinions, but not your own facts. woods almost. now people feel they are entitle to their own facts and they simply make them up. i don't know what the future holds at a critical time in american history. if this isn't between to do house of the american reality is not bridge in some way. we have let me try something which i find very difficult passively, but the less i'm going to make an attempt and defense of president trump. couldn't it be argued fussily that he, how that he's done it as mallets to peel to the public and paf. he didn't previously appeal to and secondly, hasn't he? and these attitude now kind of replicating what the democrats dead and tabs of questioning the legitimacy of his presence, say, basically right for the last 4 years. so and the famous off the donald doesn't the

something and the argument that they must have something going for them. well, i think you're right. he certainly has appeal, obviously, you know, again get back to the numbers. but i think the most haunting thing about these results was that at the end of the day, alex, it really all came down to race. this is what's haunting 58 percent of whites voted for trump. the vast majority of people of color voted for the democrats, and when at the base of all of this, is a certain part of the society saying stop the world we want to get off. you know, we want to go back to an american, before our jobs are shipped overseas. we want to go back to america. when the family meant this, we want to go back to a time when, you know, we saw people that looked like us in the streets of our city. you know, never forget that race remains tragically. the story of america, you know, we think of, say, the era of slavery as sort of a distant era when cotton was king. but no, you know,

cotton was the 1900 century what? oil was the 20th century, american wealth and prosperity was built. this sort of closed civil war myth that it was sort of a quaint but fading economic model that was in the end was going to fizzle way because it was inefficient. simply not the case. the wealth of america was built on african labor black labor. and this continues to this day, and i think that's what really haunted us as can aid. you know, if you think by contrast, certainly alex, you well know. i mean it was your people that filled our country of canada. i mean, the scots see irish, the welsh, and so on. right. we were a little white society in the day, essentially in the, in the year that i was born today. he, fully half of the residents of our biggest city toronto, aren't just of a nonwhite ethnicity. they were physically born outside of canada. and yet somehow

we have managed to, in a very positive way, absorb the multitudes of the world, flourish in richer kaname, and create a much more interesting place to live without resistance. whereas in the united states, what you're seeing is the ongoing legacy of one of the other cardinal rules, which was in the american south. the one thing that to a great extent, the exploited who are white working class white trash as it used to be called the one thing they had going for themselves, is that they weren't black. and some of that is just lingering in this haunting divide of race. that is the underbelly of these electoral results. if touched on 2, very fundamental things, let's take them in tough a fuss, the divisions within about a consensus. and then 2nd, they manikins position us there. what else? we have a wolf on the challenge so that the faces of the medic in society, if a particular lot of them haven't caught anything really be done at to bridge the

presidential town. and then there's joe biden going to be able to make significant moves to, to reconcile these polar opposites. i think that's the big question, isn't it? i mean, we all know that presidents for all their power and chrisman authority can only do so much. i mean, i think there's some very practical things you could do in america to cool down the rhetoric to cool down the internet. you know, bring back the fairness doctrine was demanded the public and communication channels, radio in particular events, knowledge. and you had to have some kind of balance of opinion and create some kind of nationals service that would bring young men and women from all parts back to connection with each other in some doing something bigger than themselves. you know, eliminate the war on drugs. you realize because of the war on drugs, there are more americans with arrest records than there are with college degrees.

you know, here's an interesting statistic in the last 20 years that there were the use of the word in all published literature has gone up 80 percent. i don't quote me on that, but the trend is that and it's reflective of this world back to morning, hands comment if i believe it, it's true. you know, people are if feeling free to reinvent their own realities. and that's a very dangerous situation when the truth itself becomes relative. and the position of the individual is, if i believe it, it's true that an old professor,, some tallish of s., they would have a time out. oh, i believe in an essay score that out of the wall of hope everything unless s.e.'s what you believe, but look at america as its possession as the preeminent. what'll much of the tensions we see in the medic and political system of jews to that position of preeminence? perhaps the american ship put it coming to a close. the bottom line is that a country that has been served by

a certain myth. the, remember, myths are not just old stories or kind of moral shards, you know, they're aspirational, you know, no country lives up to its mythology, but we sort of aspire to see ourselves in that. and america has had in the 20th century myth of zone exceptionalism. but all of that is frankly falling apart . people steal it on the ground when their jobs are disappearing. one of the things that was interesting, alex, in that rolling stone piece, you mentioned the reaction that i had was you know, it a complete nerve 362 social media millions media hits. there was national tsunami of reaction and the reaction was twofold. it was either kind of deep sadness that what i was suggesting might be the state of merica and kind of quiet, earnest desire to do something about it. but the other reaction i found so fascinating was vicious massage and vicious comments against women. and the article,

of course, is not the one way or another about when you're not. i found that bewildering. i mean, truly awful language and i certainly thought, well, you know, maybe what's going on in part is that for a certain cohort, at least, and i'm not saying that everybody in the trump camp, or voters is in this cohort. but there was certainly a cohort of working men who with limited education, could get a job, buy a house, buy a car, support, a family, and so on. and that world over, and those factory jobs are long gone and they watched them go. they saw it. globalization meant in their lives and that the years of that transformation economically also corresponded the years in which women were breaking the glass ceiling and gays moving from the closet to the altar. people of color from the woodshed literally to the white house. and i,

and i just had the sense that all of those trends are sort of conflated by a certain cohort of the american public. so that there's sort of, you know, they took my jobs, it was a women who did it. i mean literally the that is the only way i can account for being called things like menstrual discharge in some of these e-mails which were so ad hominem, so personal, so vicious, so angry. and so irrational in some sense, it's less than that. a hopeful note. wait, watching the office said the acceptance speech of the vice president come along, hollis. i mean, it had to have a mafia not to be a little faster the should, the, than as a woman of color from a variety of, assessed him coming forth and with joe biden, against the baclofen has been a pretty disruptive period. as in a lot of charity for the resilience of america to shine through and surprise to

solve if the extent of progress that could be made. absolutely and look mean, in my opinion. now it's all these trends at the store and some people are signs of progress. imagine the 1950 rebel golden era. if you are a woman, if you are black, if you're gay person or, or if you're any kind of person outside of a certain cool work, we've made huge progress and i watched those beads and with tears in my arms. not because i'm our and our democrat, because i saw the return of decency i saw my father owns doings. i saw my father in law senator charles percy, republican, all of his life on stage. i saw the decency of gerald ford who came into a moment of enormous crisis after watergate and put his poor political career. not just in jeopardy, but in new it was over the minute he pardoned nixon and i saw it as a young student the time it was a horrible thing to do. i now as an adult, you know, look back and think it was a wise thing. he possibly done we and to move on. and america has been able to do

that. it's found the better angels of its nature. you know, there were, there were dark periods in american caste, both historically in terms of the civil war, the depression, crisis of world war 2, but also a dark period. joseph mccarthy and it all it took was one good men in that critical and samus moment to say, in public on camera. have you no shame? and the question really for us, is to ask ourselves, does the very notion of shame still exist in america? are there lingering elements of decorum, of decency, of honor, one praise for the sake, both of american, the world that there are. and i think with joe biden, we have the best chance of seeing that revealed in the presidency where davis for, except still in sight. thank you so much for joining me once again on the alex on until. thanks so much alex, i love to be with you and not

a majority in america and a rather larger one around the world. well, well fact, aside with the idea of donald trump, either one term president, yet it may be that they've all breathed a sigh of relief to thin the donald maybe on his way out for now. but compass him as a political force look for medical still. indeed, the don't as a big favorite to lead the republican ticket himself in 4 years time. most importantly, the election laid bare the underlying changes in american society, which will dictate the political future. the new team of joe biden come along, hardass will attempt to bind up the winds of the election and indeed of the nation . however, the task will be by no means easy, no short. but for now, i come out, i fess up and on that issue is get by 55. i mean hope to see you all again next week.

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